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[Candidate 88766]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

The PLC wrote...

We won't HAVE to play MP to be able to get the best ending, right?

That's the claim.

So, since direct dev statements apparently aren't sufficient, what, short of actually testing it for yourself empirically with the actual game, would be?

Given how they obfuscated on the very existence of MP for months, no, their statements aren't enough. 

I don't see why you're comparing the deliberatly vague comments they made about MP to the definitive comment made about being able to achieve the best ending without requiring co-op.

Besides, the OXM article says that you can do the co-op missions solo - they'll be harder, but they can be done solo.

[Dragoonlordz]

didymos1120 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

In otherwords if there is a text box with readiness in the single player game it is already in the single player game and visible even if never touched the co-op so it's fine, if that text box however was not visible unless did co-op then it would not be fine. Do you get what I mean now?

So:

Different text message inside common UI element == A-OK, but differently shaped/colored UI element == the line has been crossed?

I suggest you grow up and gain some common sense. Just because you can be an arse online doesn't mean you should choose to be. I made myself quite clear if [every single] dialogue, cinematics, missions and such are visible and playable in the single player game depandant on choices make in the single player game if never play the co-op, that not a single thing I just mentioned is locked out, blocked, hidden and not obtainable through playing the single player alone if so wish then I am ok with it. But if a single thing is locked out, blocked, hidden and not obtainable through playing the single player mode alone if do not play the co-op then it is not ok with me.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 12 octobre 2011 - 02:50 .

[culletron1]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

culletron1 wrote...

*disclaimer this is all my opinion but perhaps explains how others feel too*

For me this is kind of like if Blizzard had released SC2 and it was complete trash (or at least not well revcieved by the SC1 fans) as they took out a lot of the hard core RTS elements and didn't really bother to polish or balance the game in any way and took away hot keys as it limits console controls...

Then 6 months before they release Diablo 3 they announce that they have added an option FPS mode where we can have death matches !! And not only that but you can use kinnect to control your character !!!!

Its just like WTF are you guys doing lately? We don't want this, we don't need this, FPS players are not going to buy it now, casual gamers are not all of a sudden going to pick this up over CoD or something more accessable... you are just going to **** off the fans you do have.

Of course I hope I am wrong and all my fears are misplaced and this is the best mass effect/bioware game ever !!

My expectations have taken quite the hammering as of late though

But that's what most people with a product that appeals strongly to a smaller segment end up doing -- ****canning the elements that gave it strong appeal, add elements they believe will attrack "the big market", and end up alienating the people who were already buying the product while utterly failing to attract the casuals.  Then, of course, the semi-retarded wonks who inhabit marketing departmetns look and say, "See, stuff that isn't mainstream and pop and accessible fails every time."   

That is clearly what happened with DA2.... but man I really really hope this isn't what happens with ME !!!!!

[didymos1120]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

In otherwords if there is a text box with readiness in the single player game it is already in the single player game and visible even if never touched the co-op so it's fine, if that text box however was not visible unless did co-op then it would not be fine. Do you get what I mean now?

So:

Different text message inside common UI element == A-OK, but differently shaped/colored UI element == the line has been crossed?

I suggest you grow up and gain some common sense. Just because you can be an arse online doesn't mean you should choose to be. I made myself quite clear if [every single] dialogue, cinematics, missions and such are visible and playable in the single player game depandant on choices make in the single player game if never play the co-op, that not a single thing I just mentioned is locked out, blocked, hidden and not obtainable through playing the single player alone if so wish.

Could you please answer my question?  'Cause that's really all I wanted.  Definitely didn't want a fit thrown at me.

[FugitiveMind]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

FugitiveMind wrote...

My apprehensions on MP are more of the death to immersion variety. And before you fly off and say "just play with friends" let me say that THAT requires scheduling, and I'm old. So are my friends. It's hard to come up with a DAY to hang out much less a specific time to game. So one is left with whomever gets put in the battle. The usual result is as follows.

Welcome to your 4player battleground! Here you'll fight for the survival of the ME universe, your teammates are:

W33dMan420; who only giggles and talks about how high he is

xxXH34DSh0tM4st4Xxx; who spends the match telling you what to do, how you're garbage, and how you should go back to the SP you noob

ScrotyMcBoogerBallzz; who spends the whole time with his mike keyed up while his mom yells at him to get off that dang machine while listening to Justin Bieber

"Strangers in Coop" is no more friendly than "Strangers in Deathmatch".

That's about the whole of it right there.

The majority of people who will buy ME3 are going to do so because they like the sound of the story and setting, or because they are already fans. People aren't going to buy it for their next 'multiplayer fix' when MW3 and BF3 will still be fairly new. There are bound to be some annoying people at the start, but after a short while the only people who still play it will be the people who actually enjoy it.

Have you ever played Halo Reach on co-op? Competitive mutliplayer is often as you described it, but the campaign lobby is generally filled with nice enough people who actually want to play co-op properly. The same often goes for the zombie mode on Black Ops - I kept my mic off when I used to do competitive stuff, but when doing zombies online I've more often than not been grouped with people that do it properly.

I can hope for that, but from what I've seen during the last few cycles of CoD,  ME3 is going to drop oh-so-conveniently right about when the first exodus from the years' FPS occurs. 4-5 months in people start getting annoyed at the current FPS and start looking for something else to fill their shooting void. I'm terrified of those that land here...

[Dragoonlordz]

didymos1120 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

In otherwords if there is a text box with readiness in the single player game it is already in the single player game and visible even if never touched the co-op so it's fine, if that text box however was not visible unless did co-op then it would not be fine. Do you get what I mean now?

So:

Different text message inside common UI element == A-OK, but differently shaped/colored UI element == the line has been crossed?

I suggest you grow up and gain some common sense. Just because you can be an arse online doesn't mean you should choose to be. I made myself quite clear if [every single] dialogue, cinematics, missions and such are visible and playable in the single player game depandant on choices make in the single player game if never play the co-op, that not a single thing I just mentioned is locked out, blocked, hidden and not obtainable through playing the single player alone if so wish then I am ok with it. But if a single thing is locked out, blocked, hidden and not obtainable through playing the single player mode if do not play the co-op then it is not ok with me.

Could you please answer my question?  'Cause that's really all I wanted.  Definitely didn't want a fit thrown at me.

I have no intention of playing your childish nit pick argument game, just like if you said "if there is a single pixel difference". Like I said get some common sense and grow up. My statement was clear enough.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 12 octobre 2011 - 02:54 .

[onelifecrisis]

Bioware:
"Mass Effect 3 multiplayer has been planned since the original Mass Effect."



Translation:

[Killjoy Cutter]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

The PLC wrote...

We won't HAVE to play MP to be able to get the best ending, right?

That's the claim.

So, since direct dev statements apparently aren't sufficient, what, short of actually testing it for yourself empirically with the actual game, would be?

Given how they obfuscated on the very existence of MP for months, no, their statements aren't enough. 

I don't see why you're comparing the deliberatly vague comments they made about MP to the definitive comment made about being able to achieve the best ending without requiring co-op.

Besides, the OXM article says that you can do the co-op missions solo - they'll be harder, but they can be done solo.

Oh yes, that's so much better, because my choices are now "play with idiot strangers in MP", "claw and struggle alone through content designed for MP", or "miss the content on the corporate promise that it's not a big deal to miss it." 

[Il Divo]

culletron1 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

culletron1 wrote...

*disclaimer this is all my opinion but perhaps explains how others feel too*

For me this is kind of like if Blizzard had released SC2 and it was complete trash (or at least not well revcieved by the SC1 fans) as they took out a lot of the hard core RTS elements and didn't really bother to polish or balance the game in any way and took away hot keys as it limits console controls...

Then 6 months before they release Diablo 3 they announce that they have added an option FPS mode where we can have death matches !! And not only that but you can use kinnect to control your character !!!!

Its just like WTF are you guys doing lately? We don't want this, we don't need this, FPS players are not going to buy it now, casual gamers are not all of a sudden going to pick this up over CoD or something more accessable... you are just going to **** off the fans you do have.

Of course I hope I am wrong and all my fears are misplaced and this is the best mass effect/bioware game ever !!

My expectations have taken quite the hammering as of late though

But that's what most people with a product that appeals strongly to a smaller segment end up doing -- ****canning the elements that gave it strong appeal, add elements they believe will attrack "the big market", and end up alienating the people who were already buying the product while utterly failing to attract the casuals.  Then, of course, the semi-retarded wonks who inhabit marketing departmetns look and say, "See, stuff that isn't mainstream and pop and accessible fails every time."   

That is clearly what happened with DA2.... but man I really really hope this isn't what happens with ME !!!!!

Honestly, what it will come down to (for myself) is how I feel at the completion of the game. I've yet to be disappointed by any Bioware release, barring BG1/NwN, so I'm fully prepped to give ME3 the chance it deserves. If I pick up ME3 and the experience is the quality which I have come to expect from Bioware (or better), then I'm set with that. I really won't care about this multiplayer addition. On the other hand, if ME3 turns out to be a giant turd, let's just say I won't be happy.

Modifié par Il Divo, 12 octobre 2011 - 02:54 .

[NOD-INFORMER37]

FugitiveMind wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

FugitiveMind wrote...

My apprehensions on MP are more of the death to immersion variety. And before you fly off and say "just play with friends" let me say that THAT requires scheduling, and I'm old. So are my friends. It's hard to come up with a DAY to hang out much less a specific time to game. So one is left with whomever gets put in the battle. The usual result is as follows.

Welcome to your 4player battleground! Here you'll fight for the survival of the ME universe, your teammates are:

W33dMan420; who only giggles and talks about how high he is

xxXH34DSh0tM4st4Xxx; who spends the match telling you what to do, how you're garbage, and how you should go back to the SP you noob

ScrotyMcBoogerBallzz; who spends the whole time with his mike keyed up while his mom yells at him to get off that dang machine while listening to Justin Bieber

"Strangers in Coop" is no more friendly than "Strangers in Deathmatch".

That's about the whole of it right there.

The majority of people who will buy ME3 are going to do so because they like the sound of the story and setting, or because they are already fans. People aren't going to buy it for their next 'multiplayer fix' when MW3 and BF3 will still be fairly new. There are bound to be some annoying people at the start, but after a short while the only people who still play it will be the people who actually enjoy it.

Have you ever played Halo Reach on co-op? Competitive mutliplayer is often as you described it, but the campaign lobby is generally filled with nice enough people who actually want to play co-op properly. The same often goes for the zombie mode on Black Ops - I kept my mic off when I used to do competitive stuff, but when doing zombies online I've more often than not been grouped with people that do it properly.

I can hope for that, but from what I've seen during the last few cycles of CoD,  ME3 is going to drop oh-so-conveniently right about when the first exodus from the years' FPS occurs. 4-5 months in people start getting annoyed at the current FPS and start looking for something else to fill their shooting void. I'm terrified of those that land here...

Omg you could be right, MW3 for example is coming out next month and by the time ME3 comes out all those multi addicts would'v gotten bored of the thing and invade our game! D: 

Unless Activision makes yet another CoD before then. xP

[Killjoy Cutter]

didymos1120 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

The PLC wrote...

We won't HAVE to play MP to be able to get the best ending, right?

That's the claim.

So, since direct dev statements apparently aren't sufficient, what, short of actually testing it for yourself empirically with the actual game, would be?

Given how they obfuscated on the very existence of MP for months, no, their statements aren't enough. 

That's not what I asked.  I'd already figured that part out for myself.

What would be sufficient? 

No effing MP bull$#!+ in Mass Effect 3. 

[OmegaBlue0231]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Bioware:
"Mass Effect 3 multiplayer has been planned since the original Mass Effect."



Translation:

[DownyTif]

That FAQ actually makes my day better. I was pretty sad to see multiplayer introduced in the conclusion of a trilogy, but if indeed an additional dedicated team appart from the main team is in charge of multiplayer and that my single player experience won't be altered, I think it's a pretty good idea the way the multiplayer will be presented. I loved ME1, ME2, and it's the same team, so I have faith.

[BatmanPWNS]

Still going on? Well at least we're closer to 300.

[NOD-INFORMER37]

Well its about another hour until the thing right?

I'm prolly gonna play GoW3 or whatever until then....or should I rest for an hour.....hmm......

[rolson00]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Bioware:
"Mass Effect 3 multiplayer has been planned since the original Mass Effect."



Translation:

LOL

[rolson00]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Bioware:
"Mass Effect 3 multiplayer has been planned since the original Mass Effect."



Translation:

LOL

[didymos1120]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I have no intention of playing your childish nit pick argument game, just like if you said "if there is a single pixel difference". Like I said get some common sense and grow up. My statement was clear enough.

No, it really wasn't.  I really do want to know where you're drawing the line.  It's a simple yes or no question, so I don't see why you'd spend so much more effort just to avoid giving an answer.

Modifié par didymos1120, 12 octobre 2011 - 03:00 .

[FugitiveMind]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

The PLC wrote...
We won't HAVE to play MP to be able to get the best ending, right?

That's the claim.

How the heck did you give this MASSIVE setup, and in 45 minutes noone "dismissed that claim"?

We must be slipping...

[The_11thDoctor]

I look forward to the game and it's co-op/ mp modes and hope people learn how to read so they can talk like they're intelligent instead of this thread getting another 100+ pages of no one reading or understanding the word OPTIONAL. If you live in a country with rights, you have the options to use them. If you play a game you have the option of how you tend to play it. If you tend to play it. If you own a vehicle, you have the option to drive it or not when you want. The manufacturer is not forcing you to drive it, use the air conditioner, the brights, the windows, the heater, the cigarette lighter, etc, but you have the OPTION to or not. Just because speakers are in the car, you are not FORCED to play music or use the radio/ cd player, etc just because it is there. It will not change how long it takes to get to your destination or make you get through traffic with the best possible result. It does offer you an alternative to feeling mental better/ entertaining you, allowing you to feel cooler or hotter, smell the flowers, power a device or see better in the dark, but all features are OPTIONAL. You don't have to do anything including driving or buying the car in the first place.

Maker's breath! What happened to the Reading Rainbow?! I swear most of the "Nooo! I don't...It might..." would be solved if people could READ and Comprehend... If you think it may or may not be good, state why and stop wasting time whining about a feature confirmed and not going away. It just makes the whiners sound like cavemen crying about the invention of fire or wheels...

[Candidate 88766]

FugitiveMind wrote...

I can hope for that, but from what I've seen during the last few cycles of CoD,  ME3 is going to drop oh-so-conveniently right about when the first exodus from the years' FPS occurs. 4-5 months in people start getting annoyed at the current FPS and start looking for something else to fill their shooting void. I'm terrified of those that land here...

CoD and BF are first-person miltary shooters with a heavy focus on competitive online multiplayer with a persistent unlock system.

ME3 is a story-focused thrid-person game set in space with a heavy focus on the single-player, with co-op as an added extra.

Trust me, they appeal to entirely different markets. Anyone who tires of CoD will probably migrate to BF3 and vice versa. People that are looking for the kind of mutliplayer CoD provides won't give ME3 a second glance for that kind of thing. No-one will buy ME3 purely for the co-op. They may view it as an added bonus - people that were on the fence may be swayed by it - but very few people are going to buy a single-player focused game for a side mode, no matter how good it turns out to be.

Besides, I quite like CoD and BF and honestly I'm a nice enough guy. They're not my first choice for games, but they're enjoyable. The sort of players you're worried about are the sort of players that own few games aside from CoD. Not all of the CoD community is as bad as people make out, just some of it.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 12 octobre 2011 - 03:10 .

[javierabegazo]

Guys, please watch the quote pyramids, we all know how Woo feels about them.

[didymos1120]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

The PLC wrote...

We won't HAVE to play MP to be able to get the best ending, right?

That's the claim.

So, since direct dev statements apparently aren't sufficient, what, short of actually testing it for yourself empirically with the actual game, would be?

Given how they obfuscated on the very existence of MP for months, no, their statements aren't enough. 

That's not what I asked.  I'd already figured that part out for myself.

What would be sufficient? 

No effing MP bull$#!+ in Mass Effect 3. 

Also not an answer to the question I asked.

[Forsythia]

I didn't read the last 50 pages, but according to this:

http://stickskills.c...tails-revealed/

... it's just a horde mode.

How lazy can you get, BioWare? At first I was sceptic, then the statement came and I actually was a bit relieved, but now it just boils down to this: shooting wave after wave of enemies. I know you like "ENEMIES EVERYWHERE!" but come on, this is not what I would call co-op missions.

Lame.

Modifié par Forsythia, 12 octobre 2011 - 03:04 .

[Taciter]

I'm going to u-turn on everything I've said and say "gief me MP with bots!".. there.. I feel cleansed and purified!