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[Eshaye]

ddman12 wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

I am amazed on how fast people have drank the Kool-Aid.

Yeah because holy sh*t Bioware actually listened to it's players and gave us the best of both worlds. There's absolutely no reason to rejoice here at all. 

Go home you constant negative goiter people. 

Yes because of the 2 million plus people who played ME2 there were so many people clamoring for coop play in a single player game. There were what, 50, 100 people who were calling for multiplayer? Trying to say the people who post on BSN somehow represent the greater playing base is asinine. Not to mention you're making the assumption that the majority of people are going to like the multiplayer. How much you want to bet that there are at least 100 threads in the first week after release ripping the multiplayer?

The point is you get no penalty for not playing co-op, but you do get a bonus. Nobody is funneled or forced to play it and there's no reason to gripe about it when BioWare has been very careful in handling this. 

Will people find fault with how the multiplayer works compared to other more stable franchises out there? Probably, but should that really come into play now at the mere announcement of it? 

Can't some of you ever experience joy for yourself or for anyone at a positive thing? 

Modifié par Eshaye, 11 octobre 2011 - 03:41 .

[Seanylegit]

ME3 is going to be a great game, and I'm actually excited about the multiplayer, it sounds kind of cool.

[dreman9999]

Xeranx wrote...

Why does the galactic bar sound so much like rebuilding the Keep in NWN2 to me?

Maybe because it's from the same company?

[didymos1120]

Lard wrote...

spiral trick wrote...

Lard wrote...

MP takes time, money and resources from the SP game every single bloody time.

Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood.

Am I supposed to realise something just because you typed a title from a supremely terrible current gen series?

Translation:  "I don't personally like it, so it doesn't count."

[DialupToaster]

There will be limits though so it makes sense right?
like....
Biotic geth = big no no.
Biotic god = YES YES YES!

[cachx]

ryoldschool wrote...
 They could have added more single player content with the resources they put into MP.

Oh Jesus Christ...

[ddman12]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

ddman12 wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

I am amazed on how fast people have drank the Kool-Aid.

Yeah because holy sh*t Bioware actually listened to it's players and gave us the best of both worlds. There's absolutely no reason to rejoice here at all. 

Go home you constant negative goiter people. 

Yes because of the 2 million plus people who played ME2 there were so many people clamoring for coop play in a single player game. There were what, 50, 100 people who were calling for multiplayer? Trying to say the people who post on BSN somehow represent the greater playing base is asinine. Not to mention you're making the assumption that the majority of people are going to like the multiplayer. How much you want to bet that there are at least 100 threads in the first week after release ripping the multiplayer?

So it's impossible to not want something because you THINK it'll turn out badly, based entirely on conjecture, then when the thing is released it turns out you had no idea what you were talking about and it turns out it actually seems kind of cool?

No, I don't want coop in the last part of a Single Player Trilogy. You want coop? Go play a game that is coop. I like my single player games to be single player games. There are plenty of mindless combat games out there. The strength of Bioware game have always been their stories and npc's. The reason Baldur's Gate and NWN coop was successful were because they didn't affect the single player game at all.  If bioware is so hard up to make a coop game, fine. Call it ME4 and do the best job possible in making a complete coop game. But leave it out of my single player game.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Zakatak757 wrote...

Can we play as Geth?

Seriously, I would love to play as a "Geth Infiltrator". It would make sense if more platforms like Legion were created.

I'm betting yes as Casey said it was "spectacular". Geth, or quarrians or any of the major races non-playable would be a downer. But hell I wanna make a "Geth Adept" lol.

My first character will possible be a turian sentinel.

But damn, if they're really gonna make a good character creation and customization to every possibile humanoid race for this mode then this game will have really have a huge ammount of content lol. 3 dics xbox version at least. I hope Casey's right in being excited about it.

[Lard]

Jonas TM wrote...
I played on a NWN persistent world for upwards of 2 years.  So yeah, pretty funny to me.  Especially the part about D&D not being a valid comparison.  Good stuff.

If you were actually literate, you would have read that I said pen and paper RPGs were more compable to MMOs than single player RPGs.

[Dragoonlordz]

Lard wrote...

100k wrote...

Yes, but how much more could they have "beefed" up the SP? Add another 10 - 20 hours of game play? That sounds great to long time fans like you and I, but to a developer who has to try and find a way to attract new, and most often casual players, stretching a story out even more can result in people with short attention spans just ignoring the game after a while.

MP only takes away from SP when the same team is forced to divide up its personnel and resources to do so. That's not the case here.

Do you honestly think most people are going to pick up the third game of a science-fiction RPG trilogy and say "Hmm, I think I'll start with this one?"

So your argument is dumb the game down for casual players? No thank you.

And, as it has been stated, they did divide up personnel and resources to do the MP.

Whats funny is Bioware actually stated it was aiming for this to also be an entry point for new gamers into the ME universe, which in itself defeats the point imho... It's like watching the end of a movie and going back to see the rest of it which hardly ever happens. Most people view the end of something they skip the rest because they already know how it turns out.

[Digifi]

didymos1120 wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...
 They could have added more single player content with the resources they put into MP.

God damn it. <_<

There's a saying about "blue in the face"...I wish I could remeber the rest of it:P

[ZazK]

To me this says, and I am completely making these numbers up;

SP, stand alone is designed to be say 40 hrs.

For those who have a more multiplayer type personality, they have added perhaps a 20hr co-op portion. Being more multiplayer oriented, you may not be into SP as much. But worry not you can still accomplish the satisfying ending in SP with only 20hrs investment. Overall, still 40hrs of gameplay.

Finally, if you enjoy them both, you can complete the entire 40hr SP and the 20hr MP for a total 60hr game.

MP likely does not make SP easier. It doesn't punish SP-only people. Why? Because they are getting a full 40hr game. The SP-only people have been complaining they want more content. Well the content is there, 40hrs. So what if playing MP allows you to finish with 20hrs. You wouldn't want to do that anyway. You are an SP-guy, you want all 40hrs. And all 40hrs are still there. And you can get the same, satisfying ending.

Win / Win. I don't see a problem at all!

Personally, I am really stoked!

[Il Divo]

Lard wrote...

Jonas TM wrote...
I played on a NWN persistent world for upwards of 2 years.  So yeah, pretty funny to me.  Especially the part about D&D not being a valid comparison.  Good stuff.

If you were actually literate, you would have read that I said pen and paper RPGs were more compable to MMOs than single player RPGs.

And most of us would still consider you a fool for making that comparison. Just sayin'.

[Jonas TM]

Edge 7 wrote...

Lard wrote...

Am I supposed to realise something just because you typed a title from a supremely terrible current gen series?

The proper integration of a campaign and multiplayer component.

You're opinion on this voids any weight you have in the argument. You must really hate fun.

This^

IMO the multiplayer component of Brotherhood was immensly enjoyable.  Some of the most fun I have had online in years, what with most multiplayer action games being of the COD variety. I was hugely scpetical and pissed when they announced it, but Ubi hit a home-run as far as I"m concerned. It was also integrated pretty well into the story of the SP.

[Chromie]

Let there be cross-platform!

[JeffZero]

pitchblaq wrote...

 

Is there more info about the other platforms of Mass Effect 3: Galaxy at War?
We are not going into details about the other components of the Galaxy at War at this time except to say we are designing each to make sense for that platform. Each component will be able to affect a player’s “Galactic Readiness” level in a different way. Again, participation in any or all ME3:GaW elements is entirely optional.

Anyone else read that and think "Facebook"? Ugh.

Yeah, it crossed my mind.

[Dark_Caduceus]

cachx wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...
 They could have added more single player content with the resources they put into MP.

Oh Jesus Christ...

I see people responding to this post, thought no one is offering an explanation as for why MP would not in some way diminish the SP campaign. I'm not saying it will, jsut playing devil's advocate, because intuitively it would amke sense for this to be the case.

[Lard]

ddman12 wrote...
 The reason Baldur's Gate and NWN coop was successful were because they didn't affect the single player game at all.  If bioware is so hard up to make a coop game, fine. Call it ME4 and do the best job possible in making a complete coop game. But leave it out of my single player game.

I agree completely.

didymos1120 wrote...
Translation:  "I don't personally like it, so it doesn't count."

The first Ass's Creed game was so absolutely terrible that I haven't touched any of the others. I have absolutely no idea what point you are trying to make.

[thatguy212]

randomchasegurney wrote...

There will be limits though so it makes sense right?
like....
Biotic geth = big no no.
Biotic god = YES YES YES!

I figure being a geth would be out completely, unless legion model geth become their new standard

[Dark_Caduceus]

Lard wrote...

ddman12 wrote...
 The reason Baldur's Gate and NWN coop was successful were because they didn't affect the single player game at all.  If bioware is so hard up to make a coop game, fine. Call it ME4 and do the best job possible in making a complete coop game. But leave it out of my single player game.

I agree completely.

didymos1120 wrote...
Translation:  "I don't personally like it, so it doesn't count."

The first Ass's Creed game was so absolutely terrible that I haven't touched any of the others. I have absolutely no idea what point you are trying to make.

"Ass's Creed", hahahahha.

[JeffZero]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

cachx wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...
 They could have added more single player content with the resources they put into MP.

Oh Jesus Christ...

I see people responding to this post, thought no one is offering an explanation as for why MP would not in some way diminish the SP campaign. I'm not saying it will, jsut playing devil's advocate, because intuitively it would amke sense for this to be the case.

didymos has been doing so for hours now.

Does half the forum have him on ignore or something? Is everyone allergic to useful information today? 

[Digifi]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

cachx wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...
 They could have added more single player content with the resources they put into MP.

Oh Jesus Christ...

I see people responding to this post, thought no one is offering an explanation as for why MP would not in some way diminish the SP campaign. I'm not saying it will, jsut playing devil's advocate, because intuitively it would amke sense for this to be the case.

The responses are because the argument was already had and discussed many a page ago...and in many other threads.

[Eshaye]

ddman12 wrote...

No, I don't want coop in the last part of a Single Player Trilogy. You want coop? Go play a game that is coop. I like my single player games to be single player games. There are plenty of mindless combat games out there. The strength of Bioware game have always been their stories and npc's. The reason Baldur's Gate and NWN coop was successful were because they didn't affect the single player game at all.  If bioware is so hard up to make a coop game, fine. Call it ME4 and do the best job possible in making a complete coop game. But leave it out of my single player game.

So because your toy has a new feature you don't like you want to take that feature away from others. Gotcha. 

[Dragoonlordz]

Ringo12 wrote...

Let there be cross-platform!

We both know that won't happen given how much M$ hates Sony and vice versa I can't see them doing it.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 octobre 2011 - 03:45 .

[Il Divo]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

I see people responding to this post, thought no one is offering an explanation as for why MP would not in some way diminish the SP campaign. I'm not saying it will, jsut playing devil's advocate, because intuitively it would amke sense for this to be the case.

Especially with another studio taking over the multiplayer content, it becomes a question of whether you trust Bioware in saying that multiplayer was treated as a completely separate component. If additional resources are devoted to multiplayer, there's really no room for complaint, because otherwise those resources would not have been used in the first place. On the other hand, if it's a single budget, multiplayer (which I'm less interested in) can now impact the single player (which I'm more interested in). It comes down to our perceptions.