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[Iakus]

majinstrings wrote...

But it's the last chapter of Shepard's trilogy...there's no way Bioware would cut things from the single player campaign to make room for multiplayer; I just cannot believe that they would do that...

In 2009 I'd have agreed.

Now, I don't know what they'd do to make a buck

Modifié par iakus, 11 octobre 2011 - 04:39 .

[Phoenix92254]

I was a little apprehensive about this whole MP thing but I think this sounds pretty awesome, especially the whole choosing your own race and leveling them up!

The only concern I have is if the galactic readiness meter thing starts the end game without warning. I think that's unlikely because it sounds (and hopefully is) more like the loyalty system in ME2.

[Dark_Caduceus]

TheodoricFriede wrote...

Could Bioware perhaps answer if elements of the Galaxy at War system can be played single player?

As in, Galaxy at war is entirely singleplayer?

I don't think that's the point of GaW.

[TheodoricFriede]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

TheodoricFriede wrote...

Could Bioware perhaps answer if elements of the Galaxy at War system can be played single player?

As in, Galaxy at war is entirely singleplayer?

I don't think that's the point of GaW.

Then why list them as two seperate things?


Im just asking for clarification.

[Merci357]

Lard wrote...

Edge 7 wrote...
But that's the thing though, the opinion really does apply. Its actually a fairly common experience in gaming. I think its kind of evident from the success of games like Portal, or even a longer running game like Splinter Cell, that co-op done right is (for most people) fun.

Given that Mass Effect's gameplay already has the player relying on AI teammates that they can't directly control anyway, it seems reasonable that they would attempt to integrate co-op into this game, given that it for a lot of gamers it is a positive experience.

Those are all games I've specifically avoided because of the MP.

And you know what? I don't really give a rat's ass if other people like it or not.

I don't, so don't force it on me. Release two versions - one with the MP content altered so it can be played through with SP. Or release the MP as separate content.

I'm tired of my gaming experience being ruined because COD/Gears dudebro shooter fans won't buy a game until it has that "online MP" bullet point on it.

I don't like competitive MP, at all, and I avoid it. But co-op with people you like is an enjoyable experience. Surely you have a friend or relative who happens to share your hobbies?

Then again, like you said eloquently, why give a rat's ass about your opinion?

[arni3]

No co-op MP on mass effect 3, please...

[onelifecrisis]

didymos1120 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...
Actually I meant "exactly like it in one respect: it's mind-numbing padding". I don't care whether the mind-numbing padding is blue or green, whether I have to connect the dots, watch a needle twitch, play match the symbols or whatever other boring crap BW have in store for us this time. If it's mind-numbing, then it's punishment for not playing co-op.

Well, I'm operating under the assumption that some sort of repetitive and ultimately tedious task is more or less inevitable.  But here's a question:  you obviously don't like the coop thing, so isn't that just a different form of mind-numbing padding from your POV? Six of one, half a dozen of the other? 

Yeah, wonderful, now I have a selection of boring crap to choose from. Thanks BW.

[TheodoricFriede]

TheodoricFriede wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

TheodoricFriede wrote...

Could Bioware perhaps answer if elements of the Galaxy at War system can be played single player?

As in, Is Galaxy at war entirely singleplayer?

I don't think that's the point of GaW.

Then why list them as two seperate things?


Im just asking for clarification.

Edit: Sorry i asked that wrong. i ment, Can elements of GaW be played as single player?

Modifié par TheodoricFriede, 11 octobre 2011 - 04:42 .

[Dark_Caduceus]

TheodoricFriede wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

TheodoricFriede wrote...

Could Bioware perhaps answer if elements of the Galaxy at War system can be played single player?

As in, Galaxy at war is entirely singleplayer?

I don't think that's the point of GaW.

Then why list them as two seperate things?


Im just asking for clarification.

I'm just responding to you saying if GaW could be played entirely single player, whcih seems to defeat the purpose?

[didymos1120]

Lard wrote...
Release two versions - one with the MP content altered so it can be played through with SP. Or release the MP as separate content.

Right.  'Cause two separate disc and box printings are really quite practical. Oh, wait: make that four. Gotta have two different editons of the CE (which are only practical because they charge significantly more for them).   At best, you can hope it's just in DLC form.  Sorry, but economic realities aren't on your side here.

Modifié par didymos1120, 11 octobre 2011 - 04:42 .

[Dark_Caduceus]

onelifecrisis wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...
Actually I meant "exactly like it in one respect: it's mind-numbing padding". I don't care whether the mind-numbing padding is blue or green, whether I have to connect the dots, watch a needle twitch, play match the symbols or whatever other boring crap BW have in store for us this time. If it's mind-numbing, then it's punishment for not playing co-op.

Well, I'm operating under the assumption that some sort of repetitive and ultimately tedious task is more or less inevitable.  But here's a question:  you obviously don't like the coop thing, so isn't that just a different form of mind-numbing padding from your POV? Six of one, half a dozen of the other? 

Yeah, wonderful, now I have a selection of exciting content to choose from. Thanks BW.

Well, at least some people are still grateful.

[Dark_Caduceus]

didymos1120 wrote...

Lard wrote...
Release two versions - one with the MP content altered so it can be played through with SP. Or release the MP as separate content.

I hadn't even considered this, but it seems like a good idea.

Right.  'Cause two separate disc and box printings are really quite practical. Oh, wait: make that four. Gotta have two different editons of the CE (which are only practical because they charge significantly more for them).   At best, you can hope it's just in DLC form.  Sorry, but economic realities aren't on your side here.

Modifié par Dark_Caduceus, 11 octobre 2011 - 04:44 .

[Edge 7]

Lard wrote...

Those are all games I've specifically avoided because of the MP.

And you know what? I don't really give a rat's ass if other people like it or not.

I don't, so don't force it on me. Release two versions - one with the MP content altered so it can be played through with SP. Or release the MP as separate content.

I'm tired of my gaming experience being ruined because COD/Gears dudebro shooter fans won't buy a game until it has that "online MP" bullet point on it.

Your gaming experience is not being ruined.

It is of the same or greater length as the last game.

The multiplayer is an optional experience.

dudebro shooter fans won't buy a ****ing game that only has co-op.

Modifié par Edge 7, 11 octobre 2011 - 04:45 .

[TheodoricFriede]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...



I'm just responding to you saying if GaW could be played entirely single player, whcih seems to defeat the purpose?

It was a typo, i was asking if any elements of it were single player.

It seems in the initial post that its possible, again im just asking for clarification.

[didymos1120]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Yeah, wonderful, now I have a selection of boring crap to choose from. Thanks BW.

Did you honestly expect there wouldn't be some sort of galactic busywork?

[Teeebs]

So how much space will this "optional" content be wasting on the game disc, and will any single player content have to cut to make room for this crap?? 

[XSpectreGreyX]

I just want to play as a Krogan.

[JJDrakken]

Salarian Vanguard will own all!

JJ

[Doug4130]

Lard wrote...

Those are all games I've specifically avoided because of the MP.

And you know what? I don't really give a rat's ass if other people like it or not.

I don't, so don't force it on me. Release two versions - one with the MP content altered so it can be played through with SP. Or release the MP as separate content.

I'm tired of my gaming experience being ruined because COD/Gears dudebro shooter fans won't buy a game until it has that "online MP" bullet point on it.

2 choices man; deal with it or don't buy it.  Whining on the forums does nothing except make yourself look like a child.  

It's a game, Bioware's game.  

[LPPrince]

Just want to say that I convinced one of my friends a while back to get ME1 and 2.

He got halfway through ME1, quit, and took them both back.

I told him ME3 had co-op. The second I told him-

"Hey, you think I'll like ME2 more than ME1?"

So maybe this IS working.

[didymos1120]

arni3 wrote...

No co-op MP on mass effect 3, please...

Sorry man. It's a done deal now.

[Barbarossa2010]

JeffZero wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Do we know if this can be done split-screen? And does it have to be 4-player?

We don't know.

I assume it would work like HALO Reach or Gears of War 3 (which are developed as single player or up to four player co-op campaigns).  You can bring in four players for the campaign, but if you are short one, two or even three at any given time (in both games you can jump-in/jump-out at will), the game automatically rounds out the team with bots, which sometimes can work in your favor if your co-op team mates suck.

For the record, I think this is a very interesting way to integrate a co-op experience into ME, which can be integrated into the overall story or ignored completely if one desires.  And I personally wouldn't worry too much about it detracting from the single player experience,  it seems they've stood up an entire studio to execute it.  While we're told the game is basically complete, it appears we're going to get even more, for those that want to experience this part of it at least. 

That's the way to do business Bioware.  I've been hard on you for the travesty that I thought DA2 was, but from all appearances at this point, it seems a solid decision and a very creative way to gradually open up Co-op/MP modes for the franchise. 

Please, just do it well.  And if you're so inclinded (not that you need my advice by any means) make sure Epic takes a look, or advises, or whatever; it is their engine, they have paved the righteous path for cover-based/TPS shooters, and they know Co-op like very few others.  Please just do it well, so it's worthwhile and I'm not sitting back in perpetual eye-roll because I've found myself in yet another MP/Co-op environment that has crappy gameplay.

I applaud them for what I've seen thusfar, which is, granted, very little.  Now we'll see if they can pull it off and do it well enough that it doesn't become a detractor or something they wished they'd deferred.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 11 octobre 2011 - 04:48 .

[Fugiz]

JakeMacDon wrote...

I'm still not a fan of multiplayer.

My concerns are pretty simple, though:

As long as I get my full SP experience, I'm cool with the additions.

If, conversely, co-op play gets perks that I cannot get otherwise - and I absolutely positively must play and pay online to get the content I've already paid for by buying the game in the first place, I'll be p!ssed off and justified in my p!ssioffedness. 

If, however, I can play the co-op stuff offline with AI, or even alone, I will not rage.  This would cool me out as the appeal of the ability to play as a customizable krogan or turian is undeniable.  If there are no real perks to co-op - other than playing with your friends (as long I can get gameplay perks in SP), who bleed'n cares?

If they jack up the price of the game because of this, I will likely be a bit angerfied.  But then again, I was already preparing to pay a goodly sum for the CE anyway.

So, all-in-all ...meh. 

Having said that, I would like to offer something to think about:

I think what a lot of this boils down to is people invest rather heavily in these games both in time and emotionally, as we would with any engaging story (Trekkers, Star Warriors, Mass Effectors, y'know, that sort of thingy), and a simple human instinct rises when we have to wait for what we want - we don't like change, we fear it, even potentially beneficial change.  We rise in outrage because change has come... at least until we calm down and start paying attention and stop simply reacting.

Remember the furor over the rebooted Star Trek?  Yeah, okay, bits of it were seriously stupid, but overall it wasn't the disaster many had feared (hardcore fans will never be satisfied with anything so they don't count.  I won't use Star Wars as an example because that's gone past debacle for many and floats now as a prime example of Utter WTFery).

Frankly, ME3 is in trouble no matter what Bioware does.  If Chris and the rest slit their own throats and called on the gods to use their steaming bodily fluids to create a game every last ultrafan would just Talimancer-level lovelovelove, that would last for five solid days and not only contain full nudity but appliable sensurround sexualhappyyumyum sensors and the ability for the game box to morph into a complete set of N7 armor complete with working guns and a personal, fully-operational Normandy, there would still be people who'd complain that it wasn't staffed entirely by naked quarian dancing girls all riding studded elcor while hanar cranked out the dubstep and that just ruined the entire affair for them.

It's just the way these things are.

Damn Bioware.

Haha:lol: man debate over. You ended it.

[Doug4130]

Merci357 wrote...

I don't like competitive MP, at all, and I avoid it. But co-op with people you like is an enjoyable experience. Surely you have a friend or relative who happens to share your hobbies?

Then again, like you said eloquently, why give a rat's ass about your opinion?

Well said, nice to see some common sense here!

[onelifecrisis]

didymos1120 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Yeah, wonderful, now I have a selection of boring crap to choose from. Thanks BW.

Did you honestly expect there wouldn't be some sort of galactic busywork?

Expect is not the word. I still have some hope for ME3.

What I expect is for the story to suck really bad and have no closure, the gameplay to be quite good, the dialogue wheel to be implemented incompetently yet again, previous decisions to make virtually no impact on anything again, and Garrus to misinterpret my friendliness as an invitation to butt**** me. And, yes, probably some mind-numbing BS padding.

But like I said, I still have some hope.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 11 octobre 2011 - 04:47 .