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[rolson00]

onelifecrisis wrote...

rolson00 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

 Shepard's Trial. Nonsensical shoehorned plot device which, I'm guessing, will allow new players to make decisions from the previous games (similar to the ME2 interactive comic).

not really shepard wiped out a star system

Yeah. He also has a stealth ship and a galaxy The Earth to save. Exactly why would he bother attending a trial where the best outcome is him back on his ship where he was before the trial?

he was arrested hes already started a war with the batarians plus he thought he had more time to convince people

[LGTX]

Wow, great news. Not sure what to expect of the mode, but Mass Effect with friends sounds very cool, especially since Bioware is emphasizing that the singleplayer won't lose anything from it. 

onelifecrisis wrote...

rolson00 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

 Shepard's Trial. Nonsensical shoehorned plot device which, I'm guessing, will allow new players to make decisions from the previous games (similar to the ME2 interactive comic).

not really shepard wiped out a star system

Yeah. He also has a stealth ship and a galaxy The Earth to save. Exactly why would he bother attending a trial where the best outcome is him back on his ship where he was before the trial?

ME3 starts a few weeks into the trial. Excuses are irrelevant, he sacrificed thousands of lives and worked with Cerberus. It's not a shoehorn when all the evidence you need is right there in the motivational plot device of the second game.

And it's perfect to allow old players to make new decisions. Much more logical than an out-of-place comic with crappy narration and horrid imagery.

Modifié par LGTX, 11 octobre 2011 - 09:22 .

[Redshock66]

I'm cautious, but seems reasonably interesting.

The only trouble is that I'm getting it on PC and I don't have any friends on that platform and I don't really like playing co-op with strangers. If it can be played with bots so much the better.

[onelifecrisis]

rolson00 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

rolson00 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

 Shepard's Trial. Nonsensical shoehorned plot device which, I'm guessing, will allow new players to make decisions from the previous games (similar to the ME2 interactive comic).

not really shepard wiped out a star system

Yeah. He also has a stealth ship and a galaxy The Earth to save. Exactly why would he bother attending a trial where the best outcome is him back on his ship where he was before the trial?

he was arrested hes already started a war with the batarians plus he thought he had more time to convince people

LGTX wrote...

Wow, great news. Not sure what to expect of the mode, but Mass Effect with friends sounds very cool, especially since Bioware is emphasizing that the singleplayer won't lose anything from it. 

onelifecrisis wrote...

rolson00 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

 Shepard's Trial. Nonsensical shoehorned plot device which, I'm guessing, will allow new players to make decisions from the previous games (similar to the ME2 interactive comic).

not really shepard wiped out a star system

Yeah. He also has a stealth ship and a galaxy The Earth to save. Exactly why would he bother attending a trial where the best outcome is him back on his ship where he was before the trial?

ME3 starts a few weeks into the trial. Excuses are irrelevant, he sacrificed thousands of lives and worked with Cerberus. It's not a shoehorn when all the evidence you need is right there in the motivational plot device of the second game.

And it's perfect to allow old players to make new decisions. Much more logical than an out-of-place comic with crappy narration and horrid imagery.

1. He. Has. A. Stealth. Ship.
2. Have either of you actually played Arrival? At the end, Shepard agrees to the trial. My question is why. Not why is Earth putting him on trial, but why is he agreeing to it.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Redshock66 wrote...

I'm cautious, but seems reasonably interesting.

The only trouble is that I'm getting it on PC and I don't have any friends on that platform and I don't really like playing co-op with strangers. If it can be played with bots so much the better.

I rather doubt it, to be honest. You will probably have to at least one other[human] player to engage in co-op. Would be awesome if you could do it with bots, though. It just doesn't sound like that's the case to me.

[rolson00]

onelifecrisis wrote...

rolson00 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

rolson00 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

 Shepard's Trial. Nonsensical shoehorned plot device which, I'm guessing, will allow new players to make decisions from the previous games (similar to the ME2 interactive comic).

not really shepard wiped out a star system

Yeah. He also has a stealth ship and a galaxy The Earth to save. Exactly why would he bother attending a trial where the best outcome is him back on his ship where he was before the trial?

he was arrested hes already started a war with the batarians plus he thought he had more time to convince people

LGTX wrote...

Wow, great news. Not sure what to expect of the mode, but Mass Effect with friends sounds very cool, especially since Bioware is emphasizing that the singleplayer won't lose anything from it. 

onelifecrisis wrote...

rolson00 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

 Shepard's Trial. Nonsensical shoehorned plot device which, I'm guessing, will allow new players to make decisions from the previous games (similar to the ME2 interactive comic).

not really shepard wiped out a star system

Yeah. He also has a stealth ship and a galaxy The Earth to save. Exactly why would he bother attending a trial where the best outcome is him back on his ship where he was before the trial?

ME3 starts a few weeks into the trial. Excuses are irrelevant, he sacrificed thousands of lives and worked with Cerberus. It's not a shoehorn when all the evidence you need is right there in the motivational plot device of the second game.

And it's perfect to allow old players to make new decisions. Much more logical than an out-of-place comic with crappy narration and horrid imagery.

1. He. Has. A. Stealth. Ship.
2. Have either of you actually played Arrival? At the end, Shepard agrees to the trial. My question is why. Not why is Earth putting him on trial, but why is he agreeing to it.

to stop a war with the batarians shepard is still loyal to the alliance
shepards knows that earth cant go to war with the batarians and fight off a reaper invasion

Modifié par rolson00, 11 octobre 2011 - 09:28 .

[LGTX]

onelifecrisis wrote...

1. He. Has. A. Stealth. Ship.
2. Have either of you actually played Arrival? At the end, Shepard agrees to the trial. My question is why. Not why is Earth putting him on trial, but why is he agreeing to it.

1. And that's an argument to what?
2. Wait, that? How can I possibly answer that? If we had a choice in that matter, ME3 would not have a fixed beginning. Which equals garbage, because no developer can pull of a variable opening like that. 

That is why Arrival was an optional DLC. You can NOT play it and pass it off for a Redemption or Evolution. Simple canon material. You didn't volunteer for the mission which killed Shepard in ME2, did you?

Modifié par LGTX, 11 octobre 2011 - 09:29 .

[Katsaurs]

I admit, when I first heard the news I felt despair and fear for the SP experience.

However now after reading all this, I'm on the fence and cautious. It's an interesting idea and co-op is far more appealing to me than deathmatches are, but for now I guess it's one of those things that I'll just have to wait out and see how things go.

[elarem]

Quote: 'It is important to note that the system is entirely optional and just another way players can have control over your game experience – it is still possible to achieve the optimal, complete ending of the game in Mass Effect 3 through single-player alone.'

'it is still possible to achieve the optimal, complete ending ... through single-player alone' ?! 'possible'! WTF?!

I've played ME and ME2 many, many times with varying choices, but I'm disadvantaged and not going to get the 'optimal, complete ending' because my internet won't allow unbroken access to the MP. Way to go Bioware!

[onelifecrisis]

rolson00 wrote...

to stop a war with the batarians shepard is still loyal to the alliance
shepards knows that earth cant go to war with the batarians and fight off a reaper invasion

Yeah, I can see how stopping a batarian war is much more important than stopping the reapers /sarcasm

[Nohvarr]

onelifecrisis wrote...

1. He. Has. A. Stealth. Ship.

So you missed the part where Hackett said there was enough information for a Witch Hunt? Shepard still had to fight his way through a Bataian facility, and he was stuck on that outpost for two days. We know that the cloak has limitations and it's possible that they had to drop the cloak at some point and were spotted. Then there's all the players who tried to warn the colony. So yeah, there's enough for a witch hunt and one would happen after you DESTROYED a mass effect relay.

2. Have either of you actually played Arrival? At the end, Shepard agrees to the trial. My question is why. Not why is Earth putting him on trial, but why is he agreeing to it.

Hackett says they can not risk war with the Batarians. A trial gives them a solid chance to avoid the war. It makes it clear that no one is above the law and that any human even the famous Shepard will be held accountable for his actions. With the 'Old Machines' on our doorstep we can't be bogged down fighting amongst ourselves. Which is exactly what will happen if Shepard dosen't stand trial.

Moving on.

I don't normally play Co-op. However if the character creator comes with some interesting options for Turians, Krogan, Drell and (god willing) Quarians, I will spend time playing around with that for fun.

[Comsky159]

rolson00 wrote...

masterkajo wrote...

Don't know if it has been answered or is even know yet but:

Will the multiplayer have spoilers? I mean if I just played the single player for like half an hour and then decide to go multiplayer won't I be spoiled about key battles ahead in the single player? And if I wait until I finish the single player the multiplayer part won#t help my galaxie...

That is what worries me.

the only thing i can suggest is...

Such wit and originality in your argument! <_<
So sick of that damn meme.

[LGTX]

elarem wrote...

Quote: 'It is important to note that the system is entirely optional and just another way players can have control over your game experience – it is still possible to achieve the optimal, complete ending of the game in Mass Effect 3 through single-player alone.'

'it is still possible to achieve the optimal, complete ending ... through single-player alone' ?! 'possible'! WTF?!

I've played ME and ME2 many, many times with varying choices, but I'm disadvantaged and not going to get the 'optimal, complete ending' because my internet won't allow unbroken access to the MP. Way to go Bioware!

Oh my God...

It's possible because even without MP, ME3 has various degrees of success. It's the same "possible" which defined whether or not some of your squadmates lived through the Suicide Mission. MP is not an advantage, it's an alternative.

[Nohvarr]

elarem wrote...

Quote: 'It is important to note that the system is entirely optional and just another way players can have control over your game experience – it is still possible to achieve the optimal, complete ending of the game in Mass Effect 3 through single-player alone.'

'it is still possible to achieve the optimal, complete ending ... through single-player alone' ?! 'possible'! WTF?!

I've played ME and ME2 many, many times with varying choices, but I'm disadvantaged and not going to get the 'optimal, complete ending' because my internet won't allow unbroken access to the MP. Way to go Bioware!

How are you at a disadvantage? He just said you can still get there via singleplayer?

[onelifecrisis]

LGTX wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

1. He. Has. A. Stealth. Ship.
2. Have either of you actually played Arrival? At the end, Shepard agrees to the trial. My question is why. Not why is Earth putting him on trial, but why is he agreeing to it.

1. And that's an argument to what?
2. Wait, that? How can I possibly answer that? If we had a choice in that matter, ME3 would not have a fixed beginning. Which equals garbage, because no developer can pull of a variable opening like that. 

That is why Arrival was an optional DLC. You can NOT play it and pass it off for a Redemption or Evolution. Simple canon material. You didn't volunteer for the mission which killed Shepard in ME2, did you?

Wow. That's a pretty impressively epic logic fail even by internet standards. You managed to misunderstand an extremely simple question and use a cyclical argument all in one go.

[Thessair]

This has been said a lot, but I hope that we eventually get the option to play the co-op missions offline at some point. I really don't want to hear the XBL kids screaming at me because I'm not playing my character 'right'.

[Battlepope190]

Garbage. Shame on you, Bioware.

[didymos1120]

onelifecrisis wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

 I could stop nerd raging but it's kind of a hobby.

Well, I like that you have no pretensions about it.

I'll assume you mean that nicely and say thanks. 

Yeah, I did.  It's honest.

[Comsky159]

Nohvarr wrote...

elarem wrote...

Quote: 'It is important to note that the system is entirely optional and just another way players can have control over your game experience – it is still possible to achieve the optimal, complete ending of the game in Mass Effect 3 through single-player alone.'

'it is still possible to achieve the optimal, complete ending ... through single-player alone' ?! 'possible'! WTF?!

I've played ME and ME2 many, many times with varying choices, but I'm disadvantaged and not going to get the 'optimal, complete ending' because my internet won't allow unbroken access to the MP. Way to go Bioware!

How are you at a disadvantage? He just said you can still get there via singleplayer?

But he implies that aquiring a perfect playthrough is easier with multiplayer, that it's advantageous in conjunction with SP. That sounds like they're trying to force it down everyone's throats and that's what we oppose. Of course exactly what he meant in the quote isn't completely clear yet but the implication is...unpleasant.

Modifié par Comsky159, 11 octobre 2011 - 09:40 .

[onelifecrisis]

Nohvarr wrote...

With the 'Old Machines' on our doorstep we can't be bogged down fighting amongst ourselves. Which is exactly what will happen if Shepard dosen't stand trial.

So Shepard's master plan for stopping the reapers is to go to jail and let the Batarians fight them. Genius.

[didymos1120]

elarem wrote...

Quote: 'It is important to note that the system is entirely optional and just another way players can have control over your game experience – it is still possible to achieve the optimal, complete ending of the game in Mass Effect 3 through single-player alone.'

'it is still possible to achieve the optimal, complete ending ... through single-player alone' ?! 'possible'! WTF?!

I've played ME and ME2 many, many times with varying choices, but I'm disadvantaged and not going to get the 'optimal, complete ending' because my internet won't allow unbroken access to the MP. Way to go Bioware!

Fascinating. /spock

[LGTX]

Thessair wrote...

This has been said a lot, but I hope that we eventually get the option to play the co-op missions offline at some point. I really don't want to hear the XBL kids screaming at me because I'm not playing my character 'right'.

If it will be integrated with Origin, there might be a gazillion filter systems which will let you join your friends or specific groups and whatnot. Bots may work of course, but since the main game is SP-only, who'd migrate to multiplayer without the intention to play with others?

I mean, will playable races really be that much of a deal? Some stat changes, sure, but no new gameplay mechanics. Same TPS thing.

onelifecrisis wrote...

Wow. That's a pretty impressively epic logic fail even by internet standards. You managed to misunderstand an extremely simple question and use a cyclical argument all in one go.

Yeah, thanks for the contribution 

Modifié par LGTX, 11 octobre 2011 - 09:42 .

[didymos1120]

Comsky159 wrote...

*snip quoted "Deal With It"*
Such wit and originality in your argument! <_<
So sick of that damn meme.

Yes, there are many memes which at this point only deserve the response "YOU MUST DIE!"

[Nohvarr]

Comsky159 wrote...

But he implies that aquiring a perfect playthrough is easier with multiplayer, that it's advantageous in conjunction with SP. That sounds like they're trying to force it down everyone's throats and that's what we oppose. Of course exactly what he meant in the quote isn't completely clear yet but the implication is...unpleasant.

Actually what was said

As a bonus to the campaign, BioWare is introducing the Mass Effect 3: Galaxy at War system, a new way for players to manage and experience the galactic war from multiple fronts, including a new 4-player co-op mode. The key to saving the galaxy is the “Galactic Readiness” level, measured by Commander Shepard’s ability to apply
every possible asset – people, weapons, resources, armies, fleets – in the final battle against the Reapers. Players can impact their game’s Galactic Readiness level in multiple ways via the Mass Effect 3: Galaxy at War system, including multiplayer. Other platforms and interfaces will be announced in the coming months. It is important to note that the system is entirely optional and just another way players can have control over your game experience – it is still possible to achieve the optimal, complete ending of the game in Mass Effect 3 through single-player alone.

So there is an entire system in place and it's not based only on the Multiplayer. The rest will be announced later, which makes sense as they've got to get TOR out the door in a couple of months. However that system isn't required to get the best ending, it's just an alternative.

[Nohvarr]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

With the 'Old Machines' on our doorstep we can't be bogged down fighting amongst ourselves. Which is exactly what will happen if Shepard dosen't stand trial.

So Shepard's master plan for stopping the reapers is to go to jail and let the Batarians fight them. Genius.

Shepard can't let let the Batarians go to war against the Humans over this because it will take personel and resources away from the real fight to come. By standing trial he prevents the Batarians from picking a fight which will onl decrease humanities readiness.