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[SonvarTheMighty]

Maybe I missed it somewhere or it's already been asked but does it support local multiplayer or is it strictly online?

[Kabanya101]

They only added that for them renegades because everyone would be dead or an enemy.

[Freeride600]

I'm excited now. Especially if we can play as other races.

Not sure what MP would actually take away from... we know the SP is going to be epic. This is just a bonus.

[Dragoonlordz]

dreman9999 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Seriously I know your not very adept with English given how many errors in your spelling and grammar but read what I said again, they did not explain anything that I wrote.

I was making a comment on your logic. And I don't care for spelling on a forum.
My point is that your say that they are lieing to you. That Chris Priestly , the head of the me team, does not know what he is saying about the mp, even if he know more info then you do.
And that explaining it is a bad thing. How is explaining something so we understand is a bad thing?

Nope again more wrong assumptions, stop relying on your assumptions and what "you think they mean", deal with facts. I did not say they lied I said they haven't explained what the actual factual real impacts in gameplay elements are. I did not use the word lied just like they did not explain the actual gameplay aspects in single player which MP impacts.

It not an assupmption. It just what is written. Unless you can prove that what has been stated for the mp is wrong, you have no ground to say I'm making an assumption.
And they did explain the feature, that what the topic is about..... They just did not go into major details.

You clearly lack the knowledge and understanding to make it worthy for further debate with you. It's like trying to explain why them saying "A" is not the same as me asking about how "A effects B", with 'your' interpretation / assumption of "A" to mean both "A and B" when they only said "A".

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 octobre 2011 - 04:48 .

[dreman9999]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
So your saying that rpgs never had MP and it's a bad thing is has mp because it's EA?

No, I'm saying exactly what I said!

Then you are say it's bad for rpg to have MP, even though they had it before and that because it's from EA, it's a bad thing.

[redBadger14]

dreman9999 wrote...

BeastMTL wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

BeastMTL wrote...

Daeion wrote...

Doug4130 wrote...

Daeion wrote...

I'm so not happy about this. It's one thing to include stand alone multiplayer, it's another thing entirely to have it impact the single player campaign.

did you miss the part where he said it was optional, and that you can still get the same results by playing single player

Did you miss the part where he said  "Success in multi-player will have a direct impact on the outcome of the single player campaign"  They can spin it anyway they want about being able to get the same result in the single player, but the optimal way is going to do it through MP.

Completely agreed. If co-op can in any way affect the SP then it's no longer quite so "optional". It becomes mandatory, and this is where I have a problem with it.

So, made the call, cancelled my pre-order this morning.. I'll wait for bargain bin.

"It is important to note that the system is entirely optional and just
another way players can have control over your game experience – it is
still possible to achieve the optimal, complete ending of the game in
Mass Effect 3 through single-player alone."
......
"it is
still possible to achieve the optimal, complete ending of the game in
Mass Effect 3 through single-player alone."
.....
Did you skip that?

Did you skip this:

Success in multi-player will have a direct impact on the outcome of
the single player campaign, giving players an alternative method of
achieving ultimate victory against the greatest threat mankind – and the
entire galaxy – has ever faced.

And you clearly don't understand what the "whole statement" means.
It means this. You are rewarded bu playing the MP with the same rewardS you can get with the SP.
If you play the sp alone, you lose nothing and still gain everything you get in the mp in the sp. If you play the mp you can get the sp rewards.......

So in the end, it's an alternete way to get thing in the sp if you don't have an import for the game.

No.

Try reading again.

"Galactic Readiness," not "a crutch for what Shepard did in the past games"

-______-

[Saberchic]

dreman9999 wrote...

1.Missing out what? It a Pve MP. You play  mp with people. Playing it with bots would be no different then playing the sp.
2.But it's not part of the sp. It effects the sp. This is not a sp campiagn that can be played via co-op. It justa mp that rewards you in playing it with reward in the sp......And these rewards you can get in the sp anyway.
3.Why? Because your saying that they would cut parts of the sp because of it. That only happens because of time and money. BW has plenty of time due to it coming in march. I'm just saying they have plenty of money as well.
4. Player vs enemy. It's the most stadard game type with games. Think of it like Mario attacking koopas and you'll understand the most games have it.
5. It no secret that they want to do mp. RPGs stated as a mp. BW first 3 rpgs had optional MP in it.(BG1 and 2, and NWN.) So if they want to get ready to do it again , they need to get ready. A simple pve optional MP is a good start.

1. Hopefully people can find the requisite amount of players then because it would suck if people were "short" on their team because they didn't have the amount of people they needed. And no, not everyone wants to recruit strangers when playing their games.
2. It's affecting the SP. That's an issue. We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this point. You see it as a bonus; I see it as a negative. MP shoud not impact the SP game.
3. I never said anything about "cutting content" at all. I think you have me confused with another poster. 
4. Ok. Thanks for clearing "pve" up. But I also never said anything about time constraints. Perhaps you've gotten someone else's grievances mixed in with mine? (I actually have never minded the delay with ME3. If they want to take the time to make ME3 a better game, I'm all for it.)
5. Meh. I believe they have enough experience where they don't need to "practice." This defense does not convince me of the "need" for ME3 to incorportate MP the way they are.

edit: fixing quoting boundaries!

Modifié par Saberchic, 11 octobre 2011 - 04:53 .

[Melchiah109]

I reject your reality and substitute my own!

[Alsvart89]

I don´t know about this... co-op does´nt sound like a great idea.

[Taciter]

Doug4130 wrote...

Taciter wrote...

That's very considerate of you Doug, most MP supporters tend to dismiss the concept of Bots on the basis that it's too inclusive and undermines their 'leetness.

But look at it from my perspective Doug, If I buy ME3 (which of course I will!), I will want to sample the entirety of the product I purchased as is only fair. Why should chosing to play with 'bots' (were the optional available) be relegated to an after thought? We all know that post-release patches and updates are done so with some reluctance, either as means of emergency damage control to reassure prospective buyers or as a final polish to placate critics but rarely do we see the publication of significant code ammendments on the grounds of charity. EA would never endorse such a frivolous excersise.

My point is, the 'bots' mechanic should be implemented DURING the MP development stage. The AI is already defined by the single player campaign so the impact on development should be minimal. I can't see ANY drawbacks to this suggestion.

Unfortunately, the drawback is for Bioware and EA and not for the player.  They want people playing this game with other people.  They want to see how it performs.  They want people playing together, using their product and getting as much money from it for as long as they can (it's a business after all), and the fact remains that when people play games together it just keeps people playing for longer.  It's a social thing, I'm not articulate enough to describe it fully; but as an albeit poor example, facebook wouldn't have as many people using it and checking it as often as they do if it you could fill out your friend list with bots.  That's definitely gonna get picked apart by someone.

It's a good business move, and it is good for the playerbase.  I hope that the ME3 team uses it to their full advantage to keep us happy with lots of extra goodies, MP and SP, long after the game's release

Again, I won't capitulate to that line of reasoning - There IS no drawback for Bioware or EA! This isn't a case of compromising one aspect of gameplay for another, it's a case of maximising subscriber saturation.

Some people, as you may have witnessed by observing the notable presence of a considerable number of critics in this thread, are exremely cynical of multiplayer games (I don't exclude myself) and no matter how well Bioware implement their multiplayer experiment, the vast majority of those people will simply not be swayed! By 'forcing' them to accept a compromise between 'love it or leave it' - they do themselves an injustice by alienating a significant portion of their most loyal subscribers.

With an optional bot implentation, their IS no distinction between the players - no one feels left out or marginalised. EA get's its nausiating social platform and associated public exposure, MP fanatics get to share those priceless peenage moments with a their pistol swinging pals and we solo'ers can indulge our sociopathic tendancies by continuing to fantasise that no one else exists.

And if EA are conerned that 'bot'-based players won't buy their skins and other assorted goodies because we lack the incentive of touting it off to other hapless consumers then think again, there is a precedent already in place that contradicts any such delusion - the notorious ME1 and ME2 DLC's... how many people did they sucker with those (hell I bought every single one and will continue to do so because I'm a hopelessly gullable spend-thrift).

Just because facebook, twitter and any number of other social sites appeals to so many doesn't mean that we all feel compelled to comform to such a vulgar expression of collective insecurity. Facebook may justiably boast of its 800 million subscribers but that's still 4.2 billion short of the world's adult population - some don't have computers, some don't know about facebook and the rest.. just don't want to be a part of it.

Modifié par Taciter, 11 octobre 2011 - 05:16 .

[dreman9999]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Seriously I know your not very adept with English given how many errors in your spelling and grammar but read what I said again, they did not explain anything that I wrote.

I was making a comment on your logic. And I don't care for spelling on a forum.
My point is that your say that they are lieing to you. That Chris Priestly , the head of the me team, does not know what he is saying about the mp, even if he know more info then you do.
And that explaining it is a bad thing. How is explaining something so we understand is a bad thing?

Nope again more wrong assumptions, stop relying on your assumptions and what "you think they mean", deal with facts. I did not say they lied I said they haven't explained what the actual factual real impacts in gameplay elements are. I did not use the word lied just like they did not explain the actual gameplay aspects in single player which MP impacts.

It not an assupmption. It just what is written. Unless you can prove that what has been stated for the mp is wrong, you have no ground to say I'm making an assumption.
And they did explain the feature, that what the topic is about..... They just did not go into major details.

You clearly lack the knowledge and understanding to make it worthy for further debate with you. It's like trying to explain why them saying "A" is not the same as me asking about how "A effects B", with 'your' interpretation / assumption of "A" to mean both "A and B" when they only said "A".

This is not an assumption....
http://social.biowar...3/index/8481789
All I am saying is what they are saying. That not making an assumption...base on what the word means.

[Dragoonlordz]

dreman9999 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

You clearly lack the knowledge and understanding to make it worthy for further debate with you. It's like trying to explain why them saying "A" is not the same as me asking about how "A effects B", with 'your' interpretation / assumption of "A" to mean both "A and B" when they only said "A".

This is not an assumption....
http://social.biowar...3/index/8481789
All I am saying is what they are saying. That not making an assumption...base on what the word means.

I know what assumption means and it describes what you are doing exactly which is why I said it.

Go back and read my comments, if you still don't understand then instead go back to school.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 octobre 2011 - 05:00 .

[dreman9999]

Saberchic wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1.Missing out what? It a Pve MP. You play  mp with people. Playing it with bots would be no different then playing the sp.
2.But it's not part of the sp. It effects the sp. This is not a sp campiagn that can be played via co-op. It justa mp that rewards you in playing it with reward in the sp......And these rewards you can get in the sp anyway.
3.Why? Because your saying that they would cut parts of the sp because of it. That only happens because of time and money. BW has plenty of time due to it coming in march. I'm just saying they have plenty of money as well.
4. Player vs enemy. It's the most stadard game type with games. Think of it like Mario attacking koopas and you'll understand the most games have it.
5. It no secret that they want to do mp. RPGs stated as a mp. BW first 3 rpgs had optional MP in it.(BG1 and 2, and NWN.) So if they want to get ready to do it again , they need to get ready. A simple pve optional MP is a good start.

1. Hopefully people can find the requisite amount of players then because it would suck if people were "short" on their team because they didn't have the amount of people they needed. And no, not everyone wants to recruit strangers when playing their games.
2. It's affecting the SP. That's an issue. We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this point. You see it as a bonus; I see it as a negative. MP shoud not impact the SP game.
3. I never said anything about "cutting content" at all. I think you have me confused with another poster. 
4. Ok. Thanks for clearing "pve" up. But I also never said anything about time constraints. Perhaps you've gotten someone else's grievances mixed in with mine? (I actually have never minded the delay with ME3. If they want to take the time to make ME3 a better game, I'm all for it.)
5. Meh. I believe they have enough experience where they don't need to "practice." This defense does not convince me of the "need" for ME3 to incorportate MP the way they are.

edit: fixing quoting boundaries!

1. You can easilly, group up people from bsn and make a costom match.
2.You can easilly not play the mp and it won't effect the sp. You'll still get what ever reward you get in the mp in the sp.

[Geth_Prime]

79 pages of comments already...wow.

I said it from the start. Never judge until you know the details. Co-op is not taking away from the singleplayer, like many people assumed it would. Neither is it necessary to be played for you to get the best out of ME3. And everything about it sounds awesome.

Of course, I still won't judge properly until it's out and I've played it all. But as it stands, the haters have been thoroughly ass-kicked.

Good job, BioWare. Not so good job trolling us about it for six months.

[Stanley Woo]

Dragonloordz and dreman9999, let's agree to disagree or take it elsewhere, please.

[Dragoonlordz]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Dragonloordz and dreman9999, let's agree to disagree or take it elsewhere, please.

Agreed. Already said done debating with him.

When is the more details coming about this, wasn't it due to day?

[Melchiah109]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Dragonloordz and dreman9999, let's agree to disagree or take it elsewhere, please.

Agreed. Already said done debating with him.

When is the more details coming about this, wasn't it due to day?

Tomorrow...

[dreman9999]

x

Modifié par dreman9999, 11 octobre 2011 - 05:04 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Melchiah109 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Dragonloordz and dreman9999, let's agree to disagree or take it elsewhere, please.

Agreed. Already said done debating with him.

When is the more details coming about this, wasn't it due to day?

Tomorrow...

Thought it was today on 11th. Well I guess tomorrow is fine.

[Melchiah109]

dreman9999 wrote...

words

Silence! The Woo has spoken!

Modifié par Melchiah109, 11 octobre 2011 - 05:05 .

[Sashimi_taco]

Alright I had like no xbox friends so i got to work. I've rounded up a rag tag team of me, a guy from highschool, my boyfriend, and porn star Xander Corvus. This should be some interesting coop.

[Ranadiel Marius]

My interest in ME3 has taken a nose dive. Fun. Just spent several hours this morning debating whether I should just cancel my pre-order. Decided against it, but it is very close right now to being dropped. Ugh.

[CMD-Shep]

I really look forward to this.
I don't know why some folks are all frustrated or upset. Chris clearly stated that MP will be outside of the SP and will only really impact the readiness thing.
Anyways, I look forward to sharing the ME universe with my buddy who also loves this game.

[Skythatcha]

"it is still possible to achieve the optimal, complete ending of the game in Mass Effect 3 through single-player alone." That's all i needed to know.

[Dragoonlordz]

CMD-Shep wrote...

I really look forward to this.
I don't know why some folks are all frustrated or upset. Chris clearly stated that MP will be outside of the SP and will only really impact the readiness thing.
Anyways, I look forward to sharing the ME universe with my buddy who also loves this game.

But we do need to know what this "readiness" means and whether it has a physical or visual impact on the single player game in any way regarding any elements such as additional or missing dialogue, cutscenes, missions etc in the single player mode if do not play co-op plus how the system will be implemented in game whether hidden invisible guage, bar, number tracking or actual visual implications in the single player gameplay. Or could it just mean more money or resources.

I guess will find that information out tomorrow it sems.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 octobre 2011 - 05:14 .