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[Darth Vengeant]

Arsenal0602 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Arsenal0602 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

@Darth Vengeant don't give me this completionist garbage.


If you really care to get 100%, you'll get friends or deal with some random people for a Co-Op achievements.

Of course that is the solution, but it shouldn't be, there is no need to ever have to rely on others to get an achievement.   Plus not everyone has gold, or the systems on the internet, kick of a kick in the teeth for those people. 

Well then they should just deal with it then or get a decent Internet connection if they are that much bothered.

Why?  If a person wants to get a game that has always been single player and that is all they play and are interested in is single player games why should they have to change their lifestyle around?  The road goes both ways on this issue.

Do I have my system online? Yes
Will I get 100% in this game- Yes
Is it going to be a bigger pain then it should be by adding MP? Maybe.

Dead Space 2 did it right by tacking on MP, it didn't effect anyone that didn't want to play it,  Resident Evil 5 did it the wrong way by adding achievments to the game for MP.  Just because you don't find them to be important doesn't mean they are not important to other people.  Add on to that, the only thing that is worse then people not getting the achievements are the people who could get their games ruined by people boosting.

Again, you speak the exact words I would type. Well said!!

[Pallid]

We are doomed, dooooooooooooooooooooooooomed!

[Darth Vengeant]

aquamutt wrote...

Darth Vengeant wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

@Darth Vengeant don't give me this completionist garbage.


If you really care to get 100%, you'll get friends or deal with some random people for a Co-Op achievements.

To YOU it is garbage, to others it is not. That is my point. Making it fair for EVERYONE. Some people enojy it, you obviously dont care. But, why ruin others enjoyment just because YOU dont care? See my point?

So, your saying I should be forced to socialize with people I do not want to deal with inorder to earn the 100% in a game? I think not. News flash. Not everyone is Mr Social. Not everyone enjoys having to deal with others all the time. Some people, which this may suprise you, are quite anti-social. It is called being an Introvert. It does't mean there is something wrong with us either. Introverts are very creative and artistic. We enjoy the quiet of solitude and doing things on our own. We are all different people.

your the type of person EA loves

Good. Your point?

[Lunatic LK47]

Taciter wrote...

Sigh.... so many people feigning disbelief at the possibility of a sceptical audience.

Is it so hard to believe that someone for whom the 'Mass Effect' franchise has been so rewarding might not relish the prospect of a multiplayer 'optional extra'? If so, let me try to articulate some of the misapprehensions these people have expressed.

1) There are precious few single-player 'only' RPG's being released these days, as a result, those who don't see the appeal of multiplayer gaming have designated the 'Mass Effect' franchise their welcome refuge and digital home from home - the place they go to escape from reality and mute the incessant drone of social interaction. The intrusion of multiplayer into our beloved fantasy undermines the core ideology to which we subscribe.

2) Perhaps naively, many of us believed that the 'Mass Effect' franchise would stay true its origins and retain the identity for which it has become so renowned and to which it owes much of its success. Mass Effect has served as a galvanising influence for all those discerning gamers for whom the words 'multiplayer' and 'shooter' invoke nausea and disdain. This move, no matter how subtle, feels like an imposition, not an invitation.

3) Anyone who suggests that simply 'not playing' this 'optional' chapter in the 'Mass Effect' saga will in no way detract from the overall game is clearly not thinking rationally. No matter how inconsequential the outcome, there's still content in them there files, content pertaining to 'Mass Effect' lore. It doesn't matter what kind of content, be it new characters, new maps, new dialogue, new plot revelations or just new skins and weapons - it's STILL content. By specifically targeting multiplayer supporters as the worthy beneficiaries of this content, you have inadvertently precluded and thereby alienated anyone who doesn't share your passion for multiplayer gaming.

4) Instead of foisting this 'take it or leave it' approach on to loyal subscribers as some sort of punitive ultimatum, how about simply providing the player with the choice of using 'bots'. I know I go on about AI squaddies but surely, it makes sense. The transition in gameplay, especially seeing as the MP element is apparently co-op based, would be practically seamless. For solo players it would be virtually indistinguishable from the rest of the game (except that it might require an internet connection) and for multiplayers, it would be irrelevant.

Anyway, said my piece. If Bioware did take it upon themselves to incorporate an AI squad feature, I would be happy to withdraw my hesitations.

Bolded for emphasis.

[Arsenal0602]

aquamutt wrote...

Darth Vengeant wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

@Darth Vengeant don't give me this completionist garbage.


If you really care to get 100%, you'll get friends or deal with some random people for a Co-Op achievements.

To YOU it is garbage, to others it is not. That is my point. Making it fair for EVERYONE. Some people enojy it, you obviously dont care. But, why ruin others enjoyment just because YOU dont care? See my point?

So, your saying I should be forced to socialize with people I do not want to deal with inorder to earn the 100% in a game? I think not. News flash. Not everyone is Mr Social. Not everyone enjoys having to deal with others all the time. Some people, which this may suprise you, are quite anti-social. It is called being an Introvert. It does't mean there is something wrong with us either. Introverts are very creative and artistic. We enjoy the quite of solitude and doing things on our own. We are all different people.

your the type of person EA loves

The type that sits and plays the same game over and over rather then buying a new EA game every time it is released.

That seems like a poor buisness choice.

[CroGamer002]

Darth Vengeant wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

@Darth Vengeant don't give me this completionist garbage.


If you really care to get 100%, you'll get friends or deal with some random people for a Co-Op achievements.

To YOU it is garbage, to others it is not. That is my point. Making it fair for EVERYONE. Some people enojy it, you obviously dont care. But, why ruin others enjoyment just because YOU dont care? See my point?

So, your saying I should be forced to socialize with people I do not want to deal with inorder to earn the 100% in a game? I think not. News flash. Not everyone is Mr Social. Not everyone enjoys having to deal with others all the time. Some people, which this may suprise you, are quite anti-social. It is called being an Introvert. It does't mean there is something wrong with us either. Introverts are very creative and artistic. We enjoy the quite of solitude and doing things on our own. We are all different people.

What kinda bull is this?

Being anti-social is not a good thing for anyone.


Besides, you being here replying to me is a social activity.
If you can bother to reply to me and so with the other I think you can easly do a Co-Op with other people as well.

Besides, Bioware never did any insane achievement like Ubisoft and games like Mass Effect don't have hard to do achievements.

[DarthSliver]

Darth Vengeant wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

@Darth Vengeant don't give me this completionist garbage.


If you really care to get 100%, you'll get friends or deal with some random people for a Co-Op achievements.

To YOU it is garbage, to others it is not. That is my point. Making it fair for EVERYONE. Some people enojy it, you obviously dont care. But, why ruin others enjoyment just because YOU dont care? See my point?

So, your saying I should be forced to socialize with people I do not want to deal with inorder to earn the 100% in a game? I think not. News flash. Not everyone is Mr Social. Not everyone enjoys having to deal with others all the time. Some people, which this may suprise you, are quite anti-social. It is called being an Introvert. It does't mean there is something wrong with us either. Introverts are very creative and artistic. We enjoy the quite of solitude and doing things on our own. We are all different people.

No if you dont like MP than you deal with not being able to get all of the Achievements. For me I just get what i can for my first couple playthroughs. Achievements were truly made to increase replay value nothing more and nothing less, maybe they should add an Achievements for playing ME3 with each class because Achievements are just there to get you to replay the game. MP Achievements will be there to get you to wanna try MP out and try to get them.

[CroGamer002]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Well then they should just deal with it then or get a decent Internet connection if they are that much bothered.

Why should gaming ever require an internet connection at all?  What the hell happened to buying a game, installing it on your PC or putting the medium into the console, and playing the damn thing? 

We're talking about a Co-Op here, not Singleplayer.

[CroGamer002]

Fenderbaum wrote...

Because you're being an arrogant **** maybe?

How?

[JayTheWolf]

Isn't the final arc of Commander Shepard a bit too important to gamers to be dabbling with co-op now?

I'm very cautious about this. I'm still getting the game, but I'm terribly anxious this will affect the game a great deal...

[Stanley Woo]

Let's please cut out the name calling and insults. We can disagree with each other without being childish about it.

[whywhywhywhy]

JayTheWolf wrote...

Isn't the final arc of Commander Shepard a bit too important to gamers to be dabbling with co-op now?

I'm very cautious about this. I'm still getting the game, but I'm terribly anxious this will affect the game a great deal...

It will affect the game no matter how much the naysayers deny it.  I commend you on your bravery in purchasing the game, I too will be cautious by buying other games then taping up my wallet.

edit: ducktape!

Modifié par whywhywhywhy, 11 octobre 2011 - 08:00 .

[KBomb]

Finding someone to play with isn’t an issue for me. I have a steady group of friends with whom I gather about and play Halo, Gears of War, CoD and Left 4 Dead with. We go into a private party, plan our strategies, diss each other when applicable and enjoy camaraderie at it’s best. We’ve been known to play for hours on end.


When I play Mass Effect, there is a different feeling. Shepard is mine. I shape the world around me. I decide who to bring on missions, what guns they’ll carry, what powers they’ll utilize. Unlike the multiplayer games I share with my friends, the Mass Effect universe is personal to me. I understand the co-op is going to be separate. I also understand it’s optional. Understanding those things doesn’t deter the fact that I know it’s there. That it feels like a step parent spying on my privacy. It doesn’t matter that it’s optional, it doesn’t change the fact that if I want to experience, I have to invite someone else into my personal world. Saying it’s optional is absurd. Of course you’ll want to experience every aspect of the game, every benefit that it offers--whether you enjoy it or not. It’s like mining in ME2 when you didn’t need to. You couldn’t just leave those planets untouched. Some people might, but I couldn’t. So yes, it may be optional, but it’s there. An elephant in the room. And the fact that you do gain additional benefits playing the mp supersedes the fact that you’ll have to do it at some point, especially if you’re a completionist and you've played Mass Effect from the beginning.


I think a lot of people feel this way. I know it’s why I am cautious.

Modifié par KBomb, 11 octobre 2011 - 08:01 .

[R Rarzy]

Holy crap I am so stoked. Now instead of just talking about mass effect will all my equally obsessed friends, I can actually play with them! And the one thing I always wanted to do, I now can. Play as a Krogaaaan!!

Modifié par R Rarzy, 11 octobre 2011 - 08:01 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

If you don't like co-op, then don't play co-op.

I don't understand what the issue is here?

[PsychoWARD23]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Let's please cut out the name calling and insults. We can disagree with each other without being childish about it.

Oh snap.

[whitey2525]

"wahh they added a 4-player coop to my favorite game, im totally raging right nowww. im cancelling my preorder, thats what you get bioware for making me feel sorry for the people with out internet, they can't get 100% completion on the game now!"
QUIT COMPLAINING

is this co-op addition really going to ruin the entire game for you?
(no it will not)

It was announced yesterday people.
Have faith in Bioware. Im sure it will be a fun and inventive addition to ME3.
I feel like Im the only one looking forward to it.

[Darth Vengeant]

Mesina2 wrote...

Darth Vengeant wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

@Darth Vengeant don't give me this completionist garbage.


If you really care to get 100%, you'll get friends or deal with some random people for a Co-Op achievements.

To YOU it is garbage, to others it is not. That is my point. Making it fair for EVERYONE. Some people enojy it, you obviously dont care. But, why ruin others enjoyment just because YOU dont care? See my point?

So, your saying I should be forced to socialize with people I do not want to deal with inorder to earn the 100% in a game? I think not. News flash. Not everyone is Mr Social. Not everyone enjoys having to deal with others all the time. Some people, which this may suprise you, are quite anti-social. It is called being an Introvert. It does't mean there is something wrong with us either. Introverts are very creative and artistic. We enjoy the quite of solitude and doing things on our own. We are all different people.

What kinda bull is this?

Being anti-social is not a good thing for anyone.


Besides, you being here replying to me is a social activity.
If you can bother to reply to me and so with the other I think you can easly do a Co-Op with other people as well.

Besides, Bioware never did any insane achievement like Ubisoft and games like Mass Effect don't have hard to do achievements.

So, now what I say is bull? Maybe what you say is bull then, heh? Nice to see how accepting you are to others who differ from you. Being anti-social is good for whoever it suits. Who are you to judge what is good for everyone?

Replying to a post is a vast of a world different than playing in a game  with others. Not even the same thing.

[Darkeus]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

If you don't like co-op, then don't play co-op.

I don't understand what the issue is here?

Worry about a watered down Single Player Experience and the fact that optional is a funny word, espcially when it looks to not be as optional as the PR faq says.

[whywhywhywhy]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

If you don't like co-op, then don't play co-op.

I don't understand what the issue is here?

No issue.  People are voting with their wallet and that scares the multiplayer supporters.

[shep82]

Since the origin thread was closed I'llpost this here. I am not a fan of the new origin system especially the system scanning part but I am not going to panic because A) I have nothing ellicit on my PC and We don't yet know how origin will be used in ME3. Even if it is used a great deal I'll still buy the game.

[Pythonicus]

Kakita Tatsumaru wrote...

roflchoppaz wrote...

Playing MP gives you something of a boost to your playthrough, it does nothing but boost that "galaxy readiness' meter thing. You can max it out even without MP if you played all the cards right.

Why don't you get it, dudes? You lose nothing, they gain nothing. It's gonna be the same ending. It's equal.

We lose single player missions which could have been done with the time/money.

This x1000
I don't want MP I won't play the MP. But I want to play as much ME3 as possible. Any mission that is MP could have been a SP mission instead.

[Marionetten]

Mesina2 wrote...

Being anti-social is not a good thing for anyone.

And it begins. Let's split the fanbase and work on exterminating and converting those pesky anti-socials.

[Cainne Chapel]

JayTheWolf wrote...

Isn't the final arc of Commander Shepard a bit too important to gamers to be dabbling with co-op now?

I'm very cautious about this. I'm still getting the game, but I'm terribly anxious this will affect the game a great deal...

How so? you dont play any of the main characters in the Co Op, but a custom generated ASari/Turian/Krogan/Human/Salarian?? maybe, that you can then use to increase your own games galactic readiness on an "Alternate" path.

So to me, its an added bonus, if the game is still as long as ME1/ME2 SP, then it doesn't matter what else they add as I see it as a bonus none the less.

This doesn't make me cautious at all... but then I dont worry TOO much over video games in the first place and play waht I enjoy and I dont bother with what I dont. Makes things a LOT easier than to carry negativity around ya know? Especially over as something as unimportant in life as Achievements/like or dislike of MP/CooP in a frakkin video game.

[shep82]

Darkeus wrote...

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

If you don't like co-op, then don't play co-op.

I don't understand what the issue is here?

Worry about a watered down Single Player Experience and the fact that optional is a funny word, espcially when it looks to not be as optional as the PR faq says.

You have no proof of that.