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[Darth Vengeant]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Darth Vengeant wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Let's please cut out the name calling and insults. We can disagree with each other without being childish about it.

And people wonder why I am anti-social? I hate friends, they're useless.

Ummmm, friends are kidna nice to have man.

I didnt type that, read my original post for proof. Someone is being a troll and immature, obviously they can't handle the fact someone is different than them.

[Cainne Chapel]

Yeah it seems to me its time to stop posting on the forums of a company who you dont trust on a game you're iffy on.

I'm here because i've genuinely liked hte products Bioware has put out and i really have no need to complain and moan about them as even the "subpar" games people quote (like DA2) i've thoroughly enjoyed for the time I played them.

I just dont see the need to get all up in arms over this CooP inclusion... but then I'ma lso the type of gamer that doesn't really have the need or want to complain about any and every little detail and if I dont like something I either A) dont buy it or Get my fill of it and move on.

But then without complaining where would forums be?

I do admit I am one that likes to argue and debate every now and again though. and sometimes simply for the sake of being contrary

[Iakus]

shep82 wrote...
No but I trust in Bioware they have yet to do anything to loose that trust.

You may still trust them.  To me, this was the last straw.  That Pulse episode tommorrow better be something really special, starting with heartfelt apology for misleading the fans for so long.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Mesina2 wrote...

So, your saying I should be forced to socialize with people I do not want to deal with inorder to earn the 100% in a game? I think not. News flash. Not everyone is Mr Social. Not everyone enjoys having to deal with others all the time. Some people, which this may suprise you, are quite anti-social. It is called being an Introvert. It does't mean there is something wrong with us either. Introverts are very creative and artistic. We enjoy the quite of solitude and doing things on our own. We are all different people.

What kinda bull is this?

Being anti-social is not a good thing for anyone.

There's nothing wrong at all with being an introvert, or not enjoying large amounts of social interaction.  Being over-saturated with social contact, especially unwanted contact with ill-behaved strangers, is even worse. 

Never mind that for some people, video games are how they get away from the world and other people to recharge their social batteries. 

What's next, an effort to make books "multi-reader experiences", and the ongoing insipid implication that anyone who wants to read their old paper books alone is mentally unhealthy? 

Bah. 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 11 octobre 2011 - 08:13 .

[Darkeus]

Mass Effect is supposed to be a Single Player game.  Well, so we thought and the idea was promoted.

Modifié par Darkeus, 11 octobre 2011 - 08:13 .

[Akaryu]

i hope i can be a vorcha love those crazy little bastards.

[Darth Vengeant]

bigheadzach wrote...

Darth Vengeant wrote...

To YOU it is garbage, to others it is not. That is my point. Making it fair for EVERYONE. Some people enojy it, you obviously dont care. But, why ruin others enjoyment just because YOU dont care? See my point?

So, your saying I should be forced to socialize with people I do not want to deal with inorder to earn the 100% in a game? I think not. News flash. Not everyone is Mr Social. Not everyone enjoys having to deal with others all the time. Some people, which this may suprise you, are quite anti-social. It is called being an Introvert. It does't mean there is something wrong with us either. Introverts are very creative and artistic. We enjoy the quiet of solitude and doing things on our own. We are all different people.

But why are you insisting I can't have my MP fun along with your SP fun? Why is it so deafeningly abhorrent that ME3 has content that AIN'T ALL ABOUT YOU?

Never said it couldnt be in the game, only that it shouldnt ruin peoples possibility of getting 100% on the achievements.

[bigheadzach]

stonbw1 wrote...

I wouldn't be shocked if the inclusion of MP in ME3 is simply a way for BW/EA to test the waters for a future MP-based game surrounding ME-related stories.

I think this is one of the more insightful responses to the news yet. This is exactly what they are doing and I hope they get a lot of great feedback over this attempt because it will inform them where to take the Mass Effect franchise in the future.

[OPINION] I would like to see more gametypes set in this universe, just like has been done with Star Wars, Star Trek, BSG, and other sci-fi IPs.

[shep82]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

shep82 wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

shep82 wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

shep82 wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

If you don't like co-op, then don't play co-op.

I don't understand what the issue is here?

Worry about a watered down Single Player Experience and the fact that optional is a funny word, espcially when it looks to not be as optional as the PR faq says.

You have no proof of that.

Nor is there really that much proof to the contrary.  So looks like an impasse.

From what has been revealed there is plenty of proof that the singleplayer won't be affected you just choose to not believe it.

What was released is a PR faq rushed out because there was tremendous outrage going on.  You believe everything you read?  Especially in those circumstances where opinion is swinging against the person writing?

No I don't trust in Bioware they have yet to do anything to gain that trust.

Yes they have.

DO NOT edit my posts to fit you argument.

[aquamutt]

Darth Vengeant wrote...

Some people wait a year or until all the DLC is released and buy the GOTY or Ultimate Edtions. I am one of them. I wont be nickle and dimed to death by DLC prices.

whatever you say sunshine

and darkeus congratulations you've set yourself up to hate this game

[Killjoy Cutter]

shep82 wrote...
Incorrect. The CO-Op portion was done by a seperate team with seperate resorces without that team and co-op we would get the exact same game.

Wrong.  http://en.wikipedia....iki/Fungibility -- the money, time, effort, and other resources going into MP are all fungible resources.  

[whitey2525]

Darth Vengeant wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Darth Vengeant wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Let's please cut out the name calling and insults. We can disagree with each other without being childish about it.

And people wonder why I am anti-social? I hate friends, they're useless.

Ummmm, friends are kidna nice to have man.

I didnt type that, read my original post for proof. Someone is being a troll and immature, obviously they can't handle the fact someone is different than them.

god you are annoying, for someone so antisocial. you sure hava alot to say

[Darth Vengeant]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

So, your saying I should be forced to socialize with people I do not want to deal with inorder to earn the 100% in a game? I think not. News flash. Not everyone is Mr Social. Not everyone enjoys having to deal with others all the time. Some people, which this may suprise you, are quite anti-social. It is called being an Introvert. It does't mean there is something wrong with us either. Introverts are very creative and artistic. We enjoy the quite of solitude and doing things on our own. We are all different people.

What kinda bull is this?

Being anti-social is not a good thing for anyone.

There's nothing wrong at all with being an introvert, or not enjoying large amounts of social interaction.  Being over-saturated with social contact, especially unwanted contact with ill-behaved strangers, is even worse. 

Never mind that for some people, video games are how they get away from the world and other people to recharge their social batteries. 

What's next, an effort to make books "multi-reader experiences", and the ongoing insipid implication that anyone who wants to read their old paper books alone is mentally unhealthy? 

Bah. 

Well said. Exactly.

[ODST 5723]

Mesina2 wrote...

Darth Vengeant wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

@Darth Vengeant don't give me this completionist garbage.


If you really care to get 100%, you'll get friends or deal with some random people for a Co-Op achievements.

To YOU it is garbage, to others it is not. That is my point. Making it fair for EVERYONE. Some people enojy it, you obviously dont care. But, why ruin others enjoyment just because YOU dont care? See my point?

So, your saying I should be forced to socialize with people I do not want to deal with inorder to earn the 100% in a game? I think not. News flash. Not everyone is Mr Social. Not everyone enjoys having to deal with others all the time. Some people, which this may suprise you, are quite anti-social. It is called being an Introvert. It does't mean there is something wrong with us either. Introverts are very creative and artistic. We enjoy the quite of solitude and doing things on our own. We are all different people.

What kinda bull is this?

Being anti-social is not a good thing for anyone.


Besides, you being here replying to me is a social activity.
If you can bother to reply to me and so with the other I think you can easly do a Co-Op with other people as well.

Besides, Bioware never did any insane achievement like Ubisoft and games like Mass Effect don't have hard to do achievements.

Ironically, your veiwpoint on this is quite anti-social.  Rather than be open-minded, you've trying to force your opinion and tastes/preferences down his throat while he's complaining about his expectations for having multiplayer achievements forced down his throat if he wants to 100% the game.

"Deal with it" is not inclusive or open language.  It does not come from a position of empathy and it infers a superiority complex.  It's aggressive and confrontational, coming from a position where you're already convinced that you're right and he's wrong.  It's the kind of behavior that one might not want to put up with in a social setting when trying to enjoy a forum or a game.

I've played a variety of games w/ multiplayer achievements and they are often much more difficult for some to obtain and not others, not due to a skill-level requirement, but due to the limitations of and sometimes nature of multiplayer.

For some people, those imaginary points next to their name are a point of pride and a measure of completion.  They may not have a tangible or concrete facet to them, but they can still instill a sense of pride and accomplishment.  if you don't understand that or don't agree with that mindset, that's fine.  That's your perogative.  But I don't think it makes sense to talk down to or trash his position just because you disagree with it.  I get his perspective and i get yours, but I also see that your point is the more confrontational.

I'm all for conflict.  I play Halo.  But since there's really no information about what exactly the achievements are, how they work and how MP factors in, I think his concerns are warranted while you're coming from a position that assumes facts not in evidence.  His also makes assumptions but he's not telling anyone to "deal with it."

Modifié par ODST 5723, 11 octobre 2011 - 08:17 .

[Cainne Chapel]

Darkeus wrote...

shep82 wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

shep82 wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

shep82 wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

If you don't like co-op, then don't play co-op.

I don't understand what the issue is here?

Worry about a watered down Single Player Experience and the fact that optional is a funny word, espcially when it looks to not be as optional as the PR faq says.

You have no proof of that.

Nor is there really that much proof to the contrary.  So looks like an impasse.

From what has been revealed there is plenty of proof that the singleplayer won't be affected you just choose to not believe it.

What was released is a PR faq rushed out because there was tremendous outrage going on.  You believe everything you read?  Especially in those circumstances where opinion is swinging against the person writing?

No but I trust in Bioware they have yet to do anything to loose that trust.

Dragon Age 2.

The increasing influence of EA in their game development.

Those two make me worry enough thank you....

I enjoyed DA2... not as much a DA:O but i still enjoyed it in its own right.  QUite a bit actually, beat it twice.  I dont do that mucha nymore (Except ofr ME1 and ME2... 3 systems and 30 completions and counting baby!)

As for EA's influence *shrug* doesn't really bother me none, EA wants to maximize profits and one cant do that making shoddy poor quality games. As a person whose worked for big companies most of his adult life and ran a few private companies, I have no problem with that.

AS long as they keep providing me entertainment I enjoy, I dont sweat small stuff.  Now if they turned ME3 into a strategy game with green goo monsters that shoot laser beams out their eyes... then i'd have need to worry.

[shep82]

Pythonicus wrote...

shep82 wrote...

Pythonicus wrote...

Kakita Tatsumaru wrote...

roflchoppaz wrote...

Playing MP gives you something of a boost to your playthrough, it does nothing but boost that "galaxy readiness' meter thing. You can max it out even without MP if you played all the cards right.

Why don't you get it, dudes? You lose nothing, they gain nothing. It's gonna be the same ending. It's equal.

We lose single player missions which could have been done with the time/money.

This x1000
I don't want MP I won't play the MP. But I want to play as much ME3 as possible. Any mission that is MP could have been a SP mission instead.

Incorrect. The CO-Op portion was done by a seperate team with seperate resorces without that team and co-op we would get the exact same game.

Doesn't matter it still could have been single player content instead. That second team could have been working on SP content instead.
More SP>any CO-OP

You people still don't get it. They (EA) gave them extra funds for a second team to develop MP for ME 3. The money would not have existed otherwise hence no missing content.

[shep82]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

shep82 wrote...
Incorrect. The CO-Op portion was done by a seperate team with seperate resorces without that team and co-op we would get the exact same game.

Wrong.  http://en.wikipedia....iki/Fungibility -- the money, time, effort, and other resources going into MP are all fungible resources.  

Proof please.

[Cainne Chapel]

Darkeus wrote...

Mass Effect is supposed to be a Single Player game.  Well, so we thought and the idea was promoted.

did you come up with the IP and produce/make the game?

No?

Well then the game can theoretically BE whatever the developer and franchise holder WANT it to be.

Technically speaking.

[zico291]

I DON'T like the co-op feature being there, but I DO want to play co-op. I just don't want it to have an impact on the singleplayer unless that you can still get the SAME impact by playing singleplayer.

[bigheadzach]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

If you don't like co-op, then don't play co-op.

I don't understand what the issue is here?

No issue.  People are voting with their wallet and that scares the multiplayer supporters.

No, it's just aggravating us because people are voting with their wallets out of entitlement-inspired butthurt.

[Darth Vengeant]

whitey2525 wrote...

Darth Vengeant wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Darth Vengeant wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Let's please cut out the name calling and insults. We can disagree with each other without being childish about it.

And people wonder why I am anti-social? I hate friends, they're useless.

Ummmm, friends are kidna nice to have man.

I didnt type that, read my original post for proof. Someone is being a troll and immature, obviously they can't handle the fact someone is different than them.

god you are annoying, for someone so antisocial. you sure hava alot to say

Then dont read what I said. Simple. Logic. Too many people just cant seem to handle differing opinions and likes/dislikes. They resoirt to name calling or harrassment, or trolling, or various other immaturities. If you cant handle what someone else says, then just don't read it. Problem solved.

[Iohanna]

You know guys, I was thinking something. You guys maybe don't realise the best thing that might come out of this. If this feature means customizable aliens, then maybe they are doing assets that may also feature in the single player campaign, thus increasing the possibility of seeing greater alien variety. Yes, even the females. Might be a longshot, but hey, I think it's something we could all look forward to, no?

Just a thought. 

[shep82]

zico291 wrote...

I DON'T like the co-op feature being there, but I DO want to play co-op. I just don't want it to have an impact on the singleplayer unless that you can still get the SAME impact by playing singleplayer.

Me either and from what we've been told it won't. Only time will tell but so far not worried.

[bigheadzach]

Arsenal0602 wrote...

And you are correct about the past Achievements in Mass Effect, my issue is that adding MP achievements is going to alienate some players, and players that hae an intrest in and alway go for the 100% may not be able to at this point because of it. 

Bioware is not obligated to pander to your behavioral disorders.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Issues with MP:

1) The diversion of resources (and don't come back and say "these were extra resources", there's no such thing, money, time, and effort are all fungible) in order to create the MP content and modes.

2) Higher likelihood of Origin being required for installation and running of the ME3 software.

3) Risk of anti-"cheating" measures for MP play making modding for SP play far more difficult, greatly reducing the replayability of the game and thus the lifespan of the investment.

4) Infringement of MP content / progression on SP content / progression.

5) MP "balance" issues affected SP gameplay (see also, constant wailing and gnashing of teeth about "OP classes" and "IMBA" and "balance" by PvP wonks screwing the game up for PvE players in MMORPGs).

6) Etc.