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aquamutt wrote...

Darth Vengeant wrote...

Some people wait a year or until all the DLC is released and buy the GOTY or Ultimate Edtions. I am one of them. I wont be nickle and dimed to death by DLC prices.

whatever you say sunshine

and darkeus congratulations you've set yourself up to hate this game


No, this announcement made me very worried that the great Mass Effect series is going in for a real anti-climatic ending because someone had the bright idea to put co-op into a single player RPG.

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Some people need to understand Bioware is not just in the business to make games for the fun of it. They are doing it to make games and a profit. They don't just have a responsibility to consumers they also have to look after their employees. To make sure a paycheck comes in and to provide some semblance of job security. Its sad to say because I don't like the way the game industry is going but that's the reality of the situation. The consumer trend of multiplayer games selling millions of copies and making huge profits are there for everyone to see. It will be obvious again when COD and BF3 are released in the weeks to come. So it honestly doesn't surprise me Bioware has gone this route.

The day I start to worry is when single player campaigns take me less than 25 hours to complete.

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Hey guys, at least there is still Skyrim... :(

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Incorrect. The CO-Op portion was done by a seperate team with seperate resorces without that team and co-op we would get the exact same game.


Wrong.  http://en.wikipedia....iki/Fungibility -- the money, time, effort, and other resources going into MP are all fungible resources.  


Proof please.


You want me to prove the basic principle that money, etc, are fungible?  LoL.   See the definition of fungible

http://dictionary.re...browse/fungible

1.   being of such nature or kind as to be freely exchangeable or replaceable, in whole or in part, for another of like nature or kind.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 11 octobre 2011 - 08:24 .


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Darkeus wrote...

Mass Effect is supposed to be a Single Player game.  Well, so we thought and the idea was promoted.


did you come up with the IP and produce/make the game?

No?

Well then the game can theoretically BE whatever the developer and franchise holder WANT it to be.

Technically speaking.


There are many quotes from Bioware that have been brought up many times that would say differently.

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Darkeus wrote...

Mass Effect is supposed to be a Single Player game.  Well, so we thought and the idea was promoted.


Mass Effect is supposed to be a science-fiction IP whose initial offerings were given as single-player experiences. Bioware is free to explore its thought-space as it chooses. They do not owe fans anything.

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I will wait and see if the upcoming announcement says anything about :devil: Origin being required to play the single player campaign or will it be a DA2 and we wont find out till the fortnight before it gets released to find out about the drm <_<

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bigheadzach wrote...

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And you are correct about the past Achievements in Mass Effect, my issue is that adding MP achievements is going to alienate some players, and players that hae an intrest in and alway go for the 100% may not be able to at this point because of it. 


Bioware is not obligated to pander to your behavioral disorders.


Explain why they are in the game to begin with then.

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The snowball effect is a logical fallacy though. But I do agree with you that the day multiplayer starts taking resources away from single player the way you're probably imagining the future atm, I'll be right there with you. As will most people, I believe.

Right now though, it's just like if you were walking down to the local ICA to buy a can of soda. As you hand the can to the cashier, the person there says "you can have a milk too if you want it btw, free of charge". Saying "I don't drink milk though, so I won't buy your soda", you leave the supermarket without soda and milk completely. What was the point? You could've had the soda you wanted, you could've left the milk at the counter never to feel that bovine taint on your tongue.

It would be more like them pouring out half of my soda and replacing it with milk. I wouldn't buy that, no. You know that those zots haven't materialized out of thin air. In fact, BioWare keeps reminding us of just how limited and precious they are. Every single cent spent on the multiplayer component could have been spent on improving the singleplayer. Free? No such thing.

And logical fallacy or not the snowball effect is quite real in the industry. Why do you think Mass Effect is getting multiplayer now? Everything has to have it. Assassin's Creed, Fable, Mass Effect. Everything. I wouldn't be surprised if Dragon Age III gets an arena mode. Not a development I wish to be a part of, sorry.

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BG2 multiplayer was strongly connected to the campaign though. It -was- the campaign and other people could join and leave your campaign as they wished to (and you as a host allowed to). Just like with ME3 though, you could hit the Single player button and never look at the Multiplayer button and enjoy yourself completely offline without any online features finding its way into your world.

There was no connection between singleplayer and multiplayer other than the multiplayer reusing the singleplayer content. I'm perfectly fine with that. It had zero impact on my experience and it probably didn't take much time to develop. The problem arrives when you start making exclusive multiplayer content effectively taking away resources from what matters and letting it influence the singleplayer. This is what is happening with Mass Effect 3.

You need to stop pulling this bull**** statements out of your ass. They have a seperate studio working on MP. Do you think EA would have given BW more resources for another similar ME game? I don't. You may do, but I don't.

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@Darth Vengeant don't give me this completionist garbage.


If you really care to get 100%, you'll get friends or deal with some random people for a Co-Op achievements.


To YOU it is garbage, to others it is not. That is my point. Making it fair for EVERYONE. Some people enojy it, you obviously dont care. But, why ruin others enjoyment just because YOU dont care? See my point?

So, your saying I should be forced to socialize with people I do not want to deal with inorder to earn the 100% in a game? I think not. News flash. Not everyone is Mr Social. Not everyone enjoys having to deal with others all the time. Some people, which this may suprise you, are quite anti-social. It is called being an Introvert. It does't mean there is something wrong with us either. Introverts are very creative and artistic. We enjoy the quite of solitude and doing things on our own. We are all different people.


What kinda bull is this?

Being anti-social is not a good thing for anyone.


Besides, you being here replying to me is a social activity.
If you can bother to reply to me and so with the other I think you can easly do a Co-Op with other people as well.

Besides, Bioware never did any insane achievement like Ubisoft and games like Mass Effect don't have hard to do achievements.

Ironically, your veiwpoint on this is quite anti-social.  Rather than be open-minded, you've trying to force your opinion and tastes/preferences down his throat while he's complaining about his expectations for having multiplayer achievements forced down his throat if he wants to 100% the game.

"Deal with it" is not inclusive or open language.  It does not come from a position of empathy and it infers a superiority complex.  It's aggressive and confrontational, coming from a position where you're already convinced that you're right and he's wrong.  It's the kind of behavior that one might not want to put up with in a social setting when trying to enjoy a forum or a game.

I've played a variety of games w/ multiplayer achievements and they are often much more difficult for some to obtain and not others, not due to a skill-level requirement, but due to the limitations of and sometimes nature of multiplayer.

For some people, those imaginary points next to their name are a point of pride and a measure of completion.  They may not have a tangible or concrete facet to them, but they can still instill a sense of pride and accomplishment.  if you don't understand that or don't agree with that mindset, that's fine.  That's your perogative.  But I don't think it makes sense to talk down to or trash his position just because you disagree with it.  I get his perspective and i get yours, but I also see that your point is the more confrontational.

I'm all for conflict.  I play Halo.  But since there's really no information about what exactly the achievements are, how they work and how MP factors in, I think his concerns are warranted while you're coming from a position that assumes facts not in evidence.  His also makes assumptions but he's not telling anyone to "deal with it."


100% perfection sir. Thank you. Beyond well said. Dealing with people like this is part of why people end up anti-social in the first place to be honest.

I am not making assumptions, only stating my consern about the MP and it's possibilites. I also was not complaining, only voicing my opinion and consern. The same right anyone else has, except I do not berate and attack others who do not agree with me. I accept it and respect it.

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Killjoy Cutter wrote...

shep82 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

shep82 wrote...
Incorrect. The CO-Op portion was done by a seperate team with seperate resorces without that team and co-op we would get the exact same game.


Wrong.  http://en.wikipedia....iki/Fungibility -- the money, time, effort, and other resources going into MP are all fungible resources.  


Proof please.


You want me to prove the basic principle that money, etc, are fungible?  LoL.   See the definition of fungible

http://dictionary.re...browse/fungible

1.   being of such nature or kind as to be freely exchangeable or replaceable, in whole or in part, for another of like nature or kind.

I know that however this was a seperate studio and team how hard is that to get?

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bigheadzach wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

Mass Effect is supposed to be a Single Player game.  Well, so we thought and the idea was promoted.


Mass Effect is supposed to be a science-fiction IP whose initial offerings were given as single-player experiences. Bioware is free to explore its thought-space as it chooses. They do not owe fans anything.


soo true

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After reading the last couple of posts, I just thought I need to clarify that being anti-social and being an introvert are two completely different things.

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bigheadzach wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

Mass Effect is supposed to be a Single Player game.  Well, so we thought and the idea was promoted.


Mass Effect is supposed to be a science-fiction IP whose initial offerings were given as single-player experiences. Bioware is free to explore its thought-space as it chooses. They do not owe fans anything.


I love how one of the standard attack arguments of the internet is now "You just think you're entitled to something, and all your objections are silly childish butthurt." 

At least come up with a new pathetic ad hom attack, would you? 

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Co-op??! In mass effect 3??!!! I never asked for this

On a side note can we play co-op offline cuz non of my friends plays mass effect 3

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bigheadzach wrote...

Arsenal0602 wrote...

And you are correct about the past Achievements in Mass Effect, my issue is that adding MP achievements is going to alienate some players, and players that hae an intrest in and alway go for the 100% may not be able to at this point because of it. 


Bioware is not obligated to pander to your behavioral disorders.


I am a massive Achievement hunter, I have all the Achievements for ME1 and ME2, and I will get all of them in ME3 no matter what they throw at me. 

Yeah I have wasted over 850+ hours playing Mass Effect. But I still enjoy (and finish with all sidequest done) every playthrough I do.

Modifié par zico291, 11 octobre 2011 - 08:26 .


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shep82 wrote...

No but I trust in Bioware they have yet to do anything to loose that trust.


1. Dragon Age 2
2. Witch Hunt
3. The Arrival
4. Awakenings (Good game...just half-finished and didn't allow your choices from DAO to have much of an impact unless you were a human noble.)
5. Kinect
6. MMO Kotor instead of KOTOR3
7. Strongly implying for months that no MP in ME3 only to reverse course at close to the last minute

I could go on. People who complain about Bioware recently may not necessarily DISLIKE Bioware, but they may dislike the (rapidly accelerating) direction of their business strategy in a direction that is away from their tastes and preferences.

I love Bioware. I own all of their games and most of the DLC. I've been one of the fans that has been there with them from the beginning. They lost my preorder with this decision.

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bigheadzach wrote...

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I wouldn't be shocked if the inclusion of MP in ME3 is simply a way for BW/EA to test the waters for a future MP-based game surrounding ME-related stories.


I think this is one of the more insightful responses to the news yet. This is exactly what they are doing and I hope they get a lot of great feedback over this attempt because it will inform them where to take the Mass Effect franchise in the future.

[OPINION] I would like to see more gametypes set in this universe, just like has been done with Star Wars, Star Trek, BSG, and other sci-fi IPs.


I can tell them right now where they should have taken teh Mass Effect franchise

Mass Effect 3:  single player conclusion to Shepard's story
separate game  
Mass Effect:  Galaxy at War: multiplayer game set during the events of Mass Effect 3.

Cross-promotional codes for extra goodies if you get both.

Would that have been so hard?

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bigheadzach wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

Mass Effect is supposed to be a Single Player game.  Well, so we thought and the idea was promoted.


Mass Effect is supposed to be a science-fiction IP whose initial offerings were given as single-player experiences. Bioware is free to explore its thought-space as it chooses. They do not owe fans anything.


Hey, nothing like blindly following..  They owe fans!  Who the hell do you think buys their games?  Without the fans, Bioware would be out of buisness.

I never understand when people say this.  You doubt your voice and how much a buisness needs CUSTOMERS.

Modifié par Darkeus, 11 octobre 2011 - 08:27 .


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shep82 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

shep82 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

shep82 wrote...

Incorrect. The CO-Op portion was done by a seperate team with seperate resorces without that team and co-op we would get the exact same game.


Wrong.  http://en.wikipedia....iki/Fungibility -- the money, time, effort, and other resources going into MP are all fungible resources.  


Proof please.


You want me to prove the basic principle that money, etc, are fungible?  LoL.   See the definition of fungible

http://dictionary.re...browse/fungible

1.   being of such nature or kind as to be freely exchangeable or replaceable, in whole or in part, for another of like nature or kind.

I know that however this was a seperate studio and team how hard is that to get?


So what?  The time, money, and/or effort could have been put towards any other part of ME3. 

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xI extremist Ix wrote...

Hey guys, at least there is still Skyrim... :(


Hold Behtesda games with a LOW REGARD. Buggy glitch-fests with Z-grade voice actors. No, the A-list celebrities do NOT make up for it.

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Playing as other species sounds good. What I am concerned about it is:

a) The possibility that we won't be able to play with bots (as in, offline squaddies, not spam bots) and that at least one more player will be required to play the co-op section,

B) How the co-op campaign would work. It would be silly to have potential spoilers from the SP or the CO-OP campaign originating from the other campaign, but seeing as the Galactic Readiness meter is supposed to be improved with co-op, there might be some issues with that.

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bigheadzach wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

Mass Effect is supposed to be a Single Player game.  Well, so we thought and the idea was promoted.


Mass Effect is supposed to be a science-fiction IP whose initial offerings were given as single-player experiences. Bioware is free to explore its thought-space as it chooses. They do not owe fans anything.


Nor do their fans owe Bioware anything if they don't like Bioware's choices. This thing I constantly see tossed around in these forums that Bioware doesn't "owe" their fans anything is something I think misses the point.

Do they "owe" us anything in terms of money, to do what we want, etc.? No. You're quite correct on that.

Should they take the views of their most vocal and active fans into consideration due to the concept of enlightened self-interest? Absolutely! Fans that aren't happy don't remain fans forever.

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BeefoTheBold wrote...

shep82 wrote...

No but I trust in Bioware they have yet to do anything to loose that trust.


1. Dragon Age 2
2. Witch Hunt
3. The Arrival
4. Awakenings (Good game...just half-finished and didn't allow your choices from DAO to have much of an impact unless you were a human noble.)
5. Kinect
6. MMO Kotor instead of KOTOR3
7. Strongly implying for months that no MP in ME3 only to reverse course at close to the last minute

I could go on. People who complain about Bioware recently may not necessarily DISLIKE Bioware, but they may dislike the (rapidly accelerating) direction of their business strategy in a direction that is away from their tastes and preferences.

I love Bioware. I own all of their games and most of the DLC. I've been one of the fans that has been there with them from the beginning. They lost my preorder with this decision.

Havent played DA 2 so can't comment on that. Whitch Hunt wasn't that bad but could have been much better. The Arrival was great , Havent played Awakenings, what's the big deal abbout Kinnect? I too would love KOTOR 3 but TOR looks amazing, as for the last one they never implied that.

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Darkeus wrote...

aquamutt wrote...

Darth Vengeant wrote...

Some people wait a year or until all the DLC is released and buy the GOTY or Ultimate Edtions. I am one of them. I wont be nickle and dimed to death by DLC prices.

whatever you say sunshine

and darkeus congratulations you've set yourself up to hate this game


No, this announcement made me very worried that the great Mass Effect series is going in for a real anti-climatic ending because someone had the bright idea to put co-op into a single player RPG.

like i said you've set yourself up to hate this game