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[spirosz]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Nor do their fans owe Bioware anything if they don't like Bioware's choices. This thing I constantly see tossed around in these forums that Bioware doesn't "owe" their fans anything is something I think misses the point.

Do they "owe" us anything in terms of money, to do what we want, etc.? No. You're quite correct on that.

Should they take the views of their most vocal and active fans into consideration due to the concept of enlightened self-interest? Absolutely! Fans that aren't happy don't remain fans forever.

I agree with the bolded statement and I would prefer if they weren't so focused on the "COD" crowd, but they are in a business and I do see their perspective because it really comes down to money and selling their game.

Some fans aren't being to open to this new idea, which to me seems interesting. I understand their mindset towards not liking multiplayer games or having different tastes in gaming, etc, but they should reserve judgement till trying it. It might turn out to be the first multiplayer feature that actually enjoy or it might not be and that's fine. I personally don't like cheese by itself, but I still able to have it with other types of food (different types of pasta, pizza, whatever) because those foods itself are great.

I'm still worried about it, but I still see the potential of the idea, would I have prefered it in a spin off title, yes, but I'm still open to trying it and if I don't like it, then I don't like it. Till I play the single player and experience the whole package myself, I'll leave judgement till then.  

[Dark_Caduceus]

whitey2525 wrote...

Darth Vengeant wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Darth Vengeant wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Let's please cut out the name calling and insults. We can disagree with each other without being childish about it.

And people wonder why I am anti-social? I hate friends, they're useless.

Ummmm, friends are kidna nice to have man.

I didnt type that, read my original post for proof. Someone is being a troll and immature, obviously they can't handle the fact someone is different than them.

god you are annoying, for someone so antisocial. you sure hava alot to say

Yeah Darth, relax. Go play with your action figures or something.

[bigheadzach]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

Care to explain how Microsoft has any bearing on either the PC or PS3 versions of the game then? This is ridiculous assuming one company demands another to add features for something that may not be viable for all platforms yet affects them all.

PS3/Sony requires trophies, which is no different than the XBox argument.

PC is affected because Origin is adopting the same business model as other digital delivery services (like Steam for example) who also have achievement based reward systems. It appeals to a particular kind of Bartleian gamer (www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm) that enjoys the challenge of completion or the acquisition of a goal object either first, highest, or biggest quality, etc. These same gamers which enjoy "achievement-whoring" have little right to complain when a game gives them (at no actual expense to the normal playing of the game) an achievement they don't want to complete. It's their own brain that gives them the dissonance. Bioware is simply stating that there are goals to be completed in every aspect of the game and that if you are a TRUE completionist, you will get over your hangups and acquire them all.

[zico291]

Darkeus wrote...

xJdazzlex wrote...

 Got to admit, at first I was a little worried if multiplayer would ruin the ME experience but I think it might give a new, interesting experience to it. Another thing is that it will make the game playing time a bit longer! 

But Mass Effect should not need co-op to make the game longer, not if you have a solid Single Player experience like all the other games have.

I have 850+ hours of playthroughs, I am pretty sure I hope that the game playing time will be fine.

Modifié par zico291, 11 octobre 2011 - 08:40 .

[BeefoTheBold]

shep82 wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

shep82 wrote...

No but I trust in Bioware they have yet to do anything to loose that trust.

1. Dragon Age 2
2. Witch Hunt
3. The Arrival
4. Awakenings (Good game...just half-finished and didn't allow your choices from DAO to have much of an impact unless you were a human noble.)
5. Kinect
6. MMO Kotor instead of KOTOR3
7. Strongly implying for months that no MP in ME3 only to reverse course at close to the last minute

I could go on. People who complain about Bioware recently may not necessarily DISLIKE Bioware, but they may dislike the (rapidly accelerating) direction of their business strategy in a direction that is away from their tastes and preferences.

I love Bioware. I own all of their games and most of the DLC. I've been one of the fans that has been there with them from the beginning. They lost my preorder with this decision.

Havent played DA 2 so can't comment on that. Whitch Hunt wasn't that bad but could have been much better. The Arrival was great , Havent played Awakenings, what's the big deal abbout Kinnect? I too would love KOTOR 3 but TOR looks amazing, as for the last one they never implied that.

DA2 was the lowest rated Bioware game in years and has sold below it's predecessor by a substantial margin. NOT a good sign when it had it's predecessor's popularity to build upon. The game had massive storyline gaps, tons of recycled environments and other major issues that made it, in all likelihood, the worst game Bioware has ever released. (By their lofty standards.)

Witch Hunt and The Arrival were DLC also widely panned by critics for being short, buggy and cash-in content.

Awakenings tossed out nearly all of the choices that you made in DAO unless you played a human noble. It's noteable as well for being buggy and half-finished. As an example, if you had a love interest from DAO they do NOT make even a cameo appearance in Awakenings. A patch was required to get a letter shorter than this paragraph from them explaining their absence.

Kinect is a shout out to non-RPG gamers. Most RPG gamers consider that to be a gimmick for casual gamers that nobody really cares about.

The Old Republic, similarly, is another genuflection towards "social" gamers and aware from core RPG gamers.

As is, as many people feared would happen, the sudden appearance of multiplayer at the tail end conclusion of a memorable single player trilogy.

Add it up and you have a company (Bioware) that still qualifies as "good" as a developer, but has lost it's status that it used to have as being the Unquestioned Gold Standard in the RPG industry. At one time they WERE synonymous with great, story-driven RPGs.

Now people are looking around a Skyrim, Witcher, etc. because Bioware is moving away from the singleplayer gamer bit by bit because they value the Call of Duty gamer more.

[Killjoy Cutter]

iakus wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

iakus wrote...

I can tell them right now where they should have taken teh Mass Effect franchise

Mass Effect 3:  single player conclusion to Shepard's story
separate game  
Mass Effect:  Galaxy at War: multiplayer game set during the events of Mass Effect 3.

Cross-promotional codes for extra goodies if you get both.

I like this. Why couldn't they have done this instead?

Irresistable impulse to break the base? 

Many companies start out doing something limited very well.  They're a big fish in a small pond.  But the love of money gets going, and they think they can be a big fish in the same drab dull mediocre pond that everyone else is in.  Most of them end up as dead small fish in that big blah pond. 

[Tasker]

Lord Jaric wrote...

Orkboy wrote...

One question I want answered...

Will any of the achievements be connected to the multiplayer.

Please say no so that I can ignore multiplayer altogether and just pretend it doesn't exist.

since when did you need to get every single achievement, not a single game I have, have I ever achived every achievement, hell games did just fine without them before they showed up.

No I don't 'need'  to get all of the achievements but as I have them all for the first 2 I would like to get them all for the last one too.

I hate multiplayer games with a passion and anyone that has ever viewed my gamertag will probably have noticed that a good 99% of my achievemets are for single player and that the games that I have all of them for are purely single player games.

[Darth Vengeant]

Arsenal0602 wrote...

Whoops sorry, I didn't mean to lump you in there.  I was talking more about me, I would rather work a game to 100% then buy a lot of games and only play a little, I rent more then I buy and if I buy it is for a game that I am sure will be worth my money.

I also don't have anything bad about MP, other then I don't want the MP to mess up my 100%ing of all the Mass Effect games.  Games LIke Left 4 Dead or Gears of War I know I won't get 100% in, but ones like Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Assassins Creed (up until now) and Dead Space, those are the ones I play to 100% on.

No worries. If I like a game of course I want to work on getting it to 100%.

Same here. I have 100% in AC1 and 2, but since they added the MP in AC Brotherhood it utterly ruined it. I am at 82% in Gears of War 3. Like I said earlier, there are alot of games I would have 100% on if it weren't for the MP specific Achievements.

[Dark_Caduceus]

zico291 wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

xJdazzlex wrote...

 Got to admit, at first I was a little worried if multiplayer would ruin the ME experience but I think it might give a new, interesting experience to it. Another thing is that it will make the game playing time a bit longer! 

But Mass Effect should not need co-op to make the game longer, not if you have a solid Single Player experience like all the other games have.

I have 8+ hours of playthroughs, I am pretty sure I hope that the game playing time will be fine.

That's not all that much playing time...

[xJdazzlex]

Fair point, I've played ME1 & 2 so many times in so many different scenarios, I have no problem with a pure single player experience, but for others players it might be good to have some option. It depends on the person I think.

[aquamutt]

Darkeus wrote...
My opinion of multiplayer is insignificant.

yet you've manged to make a big deal outta it 

Darkeus wrote...
This is a game that does not need it and most do not want.

and the most do not want part is based off of?

Darkeus wrote...
It could harm what is a great Single Player game.

and it could give the game even more replayability key word being could in both post

Darkeus wrote...
You really need more explaination??

what can i say trollin is fun on the bun 

Modifié par aquamutt, 11 octobre 2011 - 08:44 .

[Darkeus]

zico291 wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

xJdazzlex wrote...

 Got to admit, at first I was a little worried if multiplayer would ruin the ME experience but I think it might give a new, interesting experience to it. Another thing is that it will make the game playing time a bit longer! 

But Mass Effect should not need co-op to make the game longer, not if you have a solid Single Player experience like all the other games have.

I have 850+ hours of playthroughs, I am pretty sure I hope that the game playing time will be fine.

Pretyy sure I hope???  Lol, that doesn't sound that confident.

[Gokuthegrate]

I dont play games on LIVE but I may give the co op a try if they include bots.

We can achieve complete victory in the SP without having to play MP is that correct?
How will MP affect SP?

[BeefoTheBold]

spiros9110 wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Nor do their fans owe Bioware anything if they don't like Bioware's choices. This thing I constantly see tossed around in these forums that Bioware doesn't "owe" their fans anything is something I think misses the point.

Do they "owe" us anything in terms of money, to do what we want, etc.? No. You're quite correct on that.

Should they take the views of their most vocal and active fans into consideration due to the concept of enlightened self-interest? Absolutely! Fans that aren't happy don't remain fans forever.

I agree with the bolded statement and I would prefer if they weren't so focused on the "COD" crowd, but they are in a business and I do see their perspective because it really comes down to money and selling their game.

Some fans aren't being to open to this new idea, which to me seems interesting. I understand their mindset towards not liking multiplayer games or having different tastes in gaming, etc, but they should reserve judgement till trying it. It might turn out to be the first multiplayer feature that actually enjoy or it might not be and that's fine. I personally don't like cheese by itself, but I still able to have it with other types of food (different types of pasta, pizza, whatever) because those foods itself are great.

I'm still worried about it, but I still see the potential of the idea, would I have prefered it in a spin off title, yes, but I'm still open to trying it and if I don't like it, then I don't like it. Till I play the single player and experience the whole package myself, I'll leave judgement till then.  

Do I need to try coop reading a book with my wife to know that I'd rather read a book by myself? Some things you know going in that you're not going to like based on what you know you're looking for.

I don't WANT someone's voice in my ear while I'm playing a video game.

When I want to be social, I go play basketball or poker or to a bar with my friends. When I'm trying to get immersed into pretending I'm Commander Shepard fighting a Reaper invasion is when I LEAST want to be reminded that I am, in fact, PLAYING A VIDEO GAME.

Basically the inclusion of multiplayer breaks the mood and atmosphere.

Modifié par BeefoTheBold, 11 octobre 2011 - 08:50 .

[Darkeus]

aquamutt wrote...

Darkeus wrote...
My opinion of multiplayer is insignificant.

yet you've manged to make a big deal outta it 

Darkeus wrote...
This is a game that does not need it and most do not want.

and the most do not want part is based off of?

Darkeus wrote...
It could harm what is a great Single Player game.

and it could give the game even more replayablety key word being could in both post

Darkeus wrote...
You really need more explaination??

what can i say trollin is fun on the bun 

Have you seen this thread?  Have you seen other forums and sites?  This is not exactly going over well.

As for giving more replayability?  Really?  not if you don't have any desire to play it.  Then it is a wasted feature.

Yeah, the integration of a worthless feature is important and a big deal when talking about this game.

If it works, I will eat my words and be the first to admit I am wrong.  But I am sure that will not be that case.

Modifié par Darkeus, 11 octobre 2011 - 08:45 .

[Sgt Stryker]

Darth Vengeant wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

After reading the last couple of posts, I just thought I need to clarify that being anti-social and being an introvert are two completely different things.

Actually, they aren't. Introverts tend to be FAR more anti-social than Extroverts. But, it is beside the point and not part of the discussion anyway.

I'm sorry, but it seems like your definition is slightly off. The word you're looking for is "asocial." An introvert is less social (more asocial)  than an extrovert. An anti-social person is basically a troll IRL.

[zico291]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

zico291 wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

xJdazzlex wrote...

 Got to admit, at first I was a little worried if multiplayer would ruin the ME experience but I think it might give a new, interesting experience to it. Another thing is that it will make the game playing time a bit longer! 

But Mass Effect should not need co-op to make the game longer, not if you have a solid Single Player experience like all the other games have.

I have 850+ hours of playthroughs, I am pretty sure I hope that the game playing time will be fine.

That's not all that much playing time...

I ment 850+ hours, sorry for the typo.

[Phaedon]

Btw, Jesse Houston claims to have clocked 30+ hours in his SP playthrough till now, though that it isn't very accurate since a) It isn't over yet, While his testing wouldn't have been as in depth as the QA's, it is likely that he is not exactly rushing through it.

[xJdazzlex]

Darkeus wrote...

zico291 wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

xJdazzlex wrote...

 Got to admit, at first I was a little worried if multiplayer would ruin the ME experience but I think it might give a new, interesting experience to it. Another thing is that it will make the game playing time a bit longer! 

But Mass Effect should not need co-op to make the game longer, not if you have a solid Single Player experience like all the other games have.

I have 850+ hours of playthroughs, I am pretty sure I hope that the game playing time will be fine.

Pretyy sure I hope???  Lol, that doesn't sound that confident.

It adds a new perspective to the game, I'm just interested to see if they can pull it off..

[Darth Vengeant]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

whitey2525 wrote...

Darth Vengeant wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Darth Vengeant wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Let's please cut out the name calling and insults. We can disagree with each other without being childish about it.

And people wonder why I am anti-social? I hate friends, they're useless.

Ummmm, friends are kidna nice to have man.

I didnt type that, read my original post for proof. Someone is being a troll and immature, obviously they can't handle the fact someone is different than them.

god you are annoying, for someone so antisocial. you sure hava alot to say

Yeah Darth, relax. Go play with your action figures or something.

So, now I play with action figures. Whats next? Please, show some maturity instead of insulting people. Respect  other opinions. I am quite relaxed. It is called having a disscussion, I at least try to be civil. Unfortunately alot of people seem to not be able to because anyone's opinion or view that is not theirs is somehow a threat to them and deserves being made fun of.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Darth Vengeant wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

After reading the last couple of posts, I just thought I need to clarify that being anti-social and being an introvert are two completely different things.

Actually, they aren't. Introverts tend to be FAR more anti-social than Extroverts. But, it is beside the point and not part of the discussion anyway.

I'm sorry, but it seems like your definition is slightly off. The word you're looking for is "asocial." An introvert is less social (more asocial)  than an extrovert. An anti-social person is basically a troll IRL.

True. 

(I've met a few highly extroverted anti-social people... )

[Darth Vengeant]

Orkboy wrote...

Lord Jaric wrote...

Orkboy wrote...

One question I want answered...

Will any of the achievements be connected to the multiplayer.

Please say no so that I can ignore multiplayer altogether and just pretend it doesn't exist.

since when did you need to get every single achievement, not a single game I have, have I ever achived every achievement, hell games did just fine without them before they showed up.

No I don't 'need'  to get all of the achievements but as I have them all for the first 2 I would like to get them all for the last one too.

I hate multiplayer games with a passion and anyone that has ever viewed my gamertag will probably have noticed that a good 99% of my achievemets are for single player and that the games that I have all of them for are purely single player games.

I agree.

[Sailears]

Good, good. Now I'm mildly enthusiastic about this.
I like that it is optional and completely unnecessary to play with regard to the main story.
I am also warming to the fact that it could be a lot of fun.

[Darkeus]

xJdazzlex wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

zico291 wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

xJdazzlex wrote...

 Got to admit, at first I was a little worried if multiplayer would ruin the ME experience but I think it might give a new, interesting experience to it. Another thing is that it will make the game playing time a bit longer! 

But Mass Effect should not need co-op to make the game longer, not if you have a solid Single Player experience like all the other games have.

I have 850+ hours of playthroughs, I am pretty sure I hope that the game playing time will be fine.

Pretyy sure I hope???  Lol, that doesn't sound that confident.

It adds a new perspective to the game, I'm just interested to see if they can pull it off..

My doubts are in the "pull it off" category.  If it is not broke, it does not need fixed.  That is how I see it.  This is a high selling game without this tacked on crap..  This will not generate more sales (And may hurt them, the reaction has not been good) and has a real good chance of negatively affecting the Single Player experience.

It is a perspective better suited for a seperate game.

[Sgt Stryker]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Darth Vengeant wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

After reading the last couple of posts, I just thought I need to clarify that being anti-social and being an introvert are two completely different things.

Actually, they aren't. Introverts tend to be FAR more anti-social than Extroverts. But, it is beside the point and not part of the discussion anyway.

I'm sorry, but it seems like your definition is slightly off. The word you're looking for is "asocial." An introvert is less social (more asocial)  than an extrovert. An anti-social person is basically a troll IRL.

True. 

(I've met a few highly extroverted anti-social people... )

I go to an SEC university, so I know exactly what that's like. Redneck fratboys, fun fun.