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Ruud333 wrote...
Darkeus wrote...
We must be looking at different sites. IGN look pretty negative. Gamefaqs seems not all too happy. Game trailers is Cautious but more interested in Single Player to care much anyway.
Not a good reaction I would say.
People are a lot more vocal when they like something than when they are upset
spiros9110 wrote...
BeefoTheBold wrote...
Not really. The feature has no appeal to me. It isn't specific to Mass Effect. Multiplayer in general doesn't interest me. I've played plenty of multiplayer and coop games in the past. I've tried out games like RE5 coop. It just ruins the experience for me because the biggest factor of my enjoyment of a game is the story.
Having other people talking to me ruins the mood. To me, this is an utterly wasted feature and money that could be better spent in ensuring that Bioware fully wraps up all the dangling loose threads of character choices that are hanging out there from the first two games in a fun (read: actual story consequences instead of an email on Shep'sc omputer) way.
It could be the funnest multiplayer around and of the highest quality polish and development and I wouldn't play it because it just isn't a part of my tastes. It's like how some people don't like Racing games. It doesn't matter how good the Racing game is, if you don't like Racing games then it doesn't make much difference if it is a good Racing game or a bad Racing game.
Okay that's fine, was just curious as to your outlook towards the idea. To each it's own, though on the bolded part, I really hope they do nail that aspect of our choices and not go the email route again, but that's another discussion for another time!
Dark_Caduceus wrote...
whitey2525 wrote...
One of the worst ideas here.
I thought it was pretty good.
Darth Vengeant wrote...
Doug4130 wrote...
Because whether it affects it or not is completely your choice. Nothing is being forced on you at all, in the slightest. You can pretend that multiplayer is not there, never click it once, and it will not affect your experience in any way shape or form. You don't want multiplayer? Don't play it then. People who do want it will play it. Everybody gets to do it the way they want to.
Your wrong. You are being "forced" to do it if there are multiplayer achievments. I feel it is unfair. I have always felt there should be two separate types of achievements. One area for Single Player, and one area for Multiplayer. That way you can still get 100% in the Single Player part and never even have to worry about the rednundant and trendy Mutliplayer band wagon everyone is jumping on. Games like Assassins Creed and Dead Space do NOT need Multiplayer and would be much better off without it. Some people work very hard to get 100% in their games, but being forced to play part of the game they really dont care at all to play in order tyo get them is unfair. I can't count how many games I would have 100% on if it were not for the stupid mutliplayer achievemtns ruining it. No, not everyone enjoys playing with others all the time. That is why I am looking forward to Batman Arkham City so much, not a spec of Multiplayer or Co-Op in it.
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Sgt Stryker wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Sgt Stryker wrote...
Darth Vengeant wrote...
Sgt Stryker wrote...
After reading the last couple of posts, I just thought I need to clarify that being anti-social and being an introvert are two completely different things.
Actually, they aren't. Introverts tend to be FAR more anti-social than Extroverts. But, it is beside the point and not part of the discussion anyway.
I'm sorry, but it seems like your definition is slightly off. The word you're looking for is "asocial." An introvert is less social (more asocial) than an extrovert. An anti-social person is basically a troll IRL.
True.
(I've met a few highly extroverted anti-social people... )
I go to an SEC university, so I know exactly what that's like. Redneck fratboys, fun fun.
Ah yes, the tribal male in the throes of testertosterone overdose... speaking of multiplayer shooter games.
(My sympathies.)
BeefoTheBold wrote...
spiros9110 wrote...
BeefoTheBold wrote...
Not really. The feature has no appeal to me. It isn't specific to Mass Effect. Multiplayer in general doesn't interest me. I've played plenty of multiplayer and coop games in the past. I've tried out games like RE5 coop. It just ruins the experience for me because the biggest factor of my enjoyment of a game is the story.
Having other people talking to me ruins the mood. To me, this is an utterly wasted feature and money that could be better spent in ensuring that Bioware fully wraps up all the dangling loose threads of character choices that are hanging out there from the first two games in a fun (read: actual story consequences instead of an email on Shep'sc omputer) way.
It could be the funnest multiplayer around and of the highest quality polish and development and I wouldn't play it because it just isn't a part of my tastes. It's like how some people don't like Racing games. It doesn't matter how good the Racing game is, if you don't like Racing games then it doesn't make much difference if it is a good Racing game or a bad Racing game.
Okay that's fine, was just curious as to your outlook towards the idea. To each it's own, though on the bolded part, I really hope they do nail that aspect of our choices and not go the email route again, but that's another discussion for another time!
And I understand your point of view as well to take a "wait and see" approach. It's one I could sympathize with if there were a greater number of SP only RPG titles around these days.
Decisions like this bother me a lot more than they would if I knew I had a lot of viable alternatives if I wanted to get away from the continuing "socialization" of the gaming medium.
From my perspective, people who LIKE playing games with other people have a bazillion or so games to choose from. Is it too much to ask that us SP types have our tiny little segment of the industry where we can have what WE want?
Modifié par zico291, 11 octobre 2011 - 09:13 .
zico291 wrote...
BeefoTheBold wrote...
spiros9110 wrote...
BeefoTheBold wrote...
Not really. The feature has no appeal to me. It isn't specific to Mass Effect. Multiplayer in general doesn't interest me. I've played plenty of multiplayer and coop games in the past. I've tried out games like RE5 coop. It just ruins the experience for me because the biggest factor of my enjoyment of a game is the story.
Having other people talking to me ruins the mood. To me, this is an utterly wasted feature and money that could be better spent in ensuring that Bioware fully wraps up all the dangling loose threads of character choices that are hanging out there from the first two games in a fun (read: actual story consequences instead of an email on Shep'sc omputer) way.
It could be the funnest multiplayer around and of the highest quality polish and development and I wouldn't play it because it just isn't a part of my tastes. It's like how some people don't like Racing games. It doesn't matter how good the Racing game is, if you don't like Racing games then it doesn't make much difference if it is a good Racing game or a bad Racing game.
Okay that's fine, was just curious as to your outlook towards the idea. To each it's own, though on the bolded part, I really hope they do nail that aspect of our choices and not go the email route again, but that's another discussion for another time!
And I understand your point of view as well to take a "wait and see" approach. It's one I could sympathize with if there were a greater number of SP only RPG titles around these days.
Decisions like this bother me a lot more than they would if I knew I had a lot of viable alternatives if I wanted to get away from the continuing "socialization" of the gaming medium.
From my perspective, people who LIKE playing games with other people have a bazillion or so games to choose from. Is it too much to ask that us SP types have our tiny little segment of the industry where we can have what WE want?
I disagree.
Il Divo wrote...
Darth Vengeant wrote...
Doug4130 wrote...
Because whether it affects it or not is completely your choice. Nothing is being forced on you at all, in the slightest. You can pretend that multiplayer is not there, never click it once, and it will not affect your experience in any way shape or form. You don't want multiplayer? Don't play it then. People who do want it will play it. Everybody gets to do it the way they want to.
Your wrong. You are being "forced" to do it if there are multiplayer achievments. I feel it is unfair. I have always felt there should be two separate types of achievements. One area for Single Player, and one area for Multiplayer. That way you can still get 100% in the Single Player part and never even have to worry about the rednundant and trendy Mutliplayer band wagon everyone is jumping on. Games like Assassins Creed and Dead Space do NOT need Multiplayer and would be much better off without it. Some people work very hard to get 100% in their games, but being forced to play part of the game they really dont care at all to play in order tyo get them is unfair. I can't count how many games I would have 100% on if it were not for the stupid mutliplayer achievemtns ruining it. No, not everyone enjoys playing with others all the time. That is why I am looking forward to Batman Arkham City so much, not a spec of Multiplayer or Co-Op in it.
Your argument here doesn't get to magically work. If you want 100% on achievements in any game, you don't get to choose which ones to perform and which ones to ignore. By admitting your desire to obtain all achievements, there is always that significant possibility of finding a million different achievements that are either difficult or not to your taste, for whatever reason. If BIoware created an achievement for romancing Kaidan and I don't want to play femshep, I'm still going to be forced down that road or lose the 100%.
Modifié par Darth Vengeant, 11 octobre 2011 - 09:25 .
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/8481789/86#8489364
I wonder if any of the "you anti-MP guys are all paranoid fanboy geeks" crowd is going to bother with a reasoned and civil response to the concerns listed in the post linked above...
BeefoTheBold wrote...
spiros9110 wrote...
BeefoTheBold wrote...
Do I need to try coop reading a book with my wife to know that I'd rather read a book by myself? Some things you know going in that you're not going to like based on what you know you're looking for.
I don't WANT someone's voice in my ear while I'm playing a video game.
When I want to be social, I go play basketball or poker or to a bar with my friends. When I'm trying to get immersed into pretending I'm Commander Shepard fighting a Reaver invasion is when I LEAST want to be reminded that I am, in fact, PLAYING A VIDEO GAME.
Basically the inclusion of multiplayer breaks the mood and atmosphere.
I understand, but I still don't see how it really breaks the mood and atmoshpere. My Shepard is still going to be kicking ass and fighting the Reapers. His/her story is still there and I'm still being involved in the Mass Effect Universe with all the choices I've done since ME1.
Question, are you still open to trying out the feature and what would happen if you did enjoy it?
Not really. The feature has no appeal to me. It isn't specific to Mass Effect. Multiplayer in general doesn't interest me. I've played plenty of multiplayer and coop games in the past. I've tried out games like RE5 coop. It just ruins the experience for me because the biggest factor of my enjoyment of a game is the story.
Having other people talking to me ruins the mood. To me, this is an utterly wasted feature and money that could be better spent in ensuring that Bioware fully wraps up all the dangling loose threads of character choices that are hanging out there from the first two games in a fun (read: actual story consequences instead of an email on Shep'sc omputer) way.
It could be the funnest multiplayer around and of the highest quality polish and development and I wouldn't play it because it just isn't a part of my tastes. It's like how some people don't like Racing games. It doesn't matter how good the Racing game is, if you don't like Racing games then it doesn't make much difference if it is a good Racing game or a bad Racing game.
Modifié par MarchWaltz, 11 octobre 2011 - 09:19 .
Dark_Caduceus wrote...
Ruud333 wrote...
People are a lot more vocal when they like something than when they are upset
No... it's kinda the other way around...
Modifié par Ruud333, 11 octobre 2011 - 09:20 .
Darth Vengeant wrote...
Il Divo wrote...
Darth Vengeant wrote...
Doug4130 wrote...
Because whether it affects it or not is completely your choice. Nothing is being forced on you at all, in the slightest. You can pretend that multiplayer is not there, never click it once, and it will not affect your experience in any way shape or form. You don't want multiplayer? Don't play it then. People who do want it will play it. Everybody gets to do it the way they want to.
Your wrong. You are being "forced" to do it if there are multiplayer achievments. I feel it is unfair. I have always felt there should be two separate types of achievements. One area for Single Player, and one area for Multiplayer. That way you can still get 100% in the Single Player part and never even have to worry about the rednundant and trendy Mutliplayer band wagon everyone is jumping on. Games like Assassins Creed and Dead Space do NOT need Multiplayer and would be much better off without it. Some people work very hard to get 100% in their games, but being forced to play part of the game they really dont care at all to play in order tyo get them is unfair. I can't count how many games I would have 100% on if it were not for the stupid mutliplayer achievemtns ruining it. No, not everyone enjoys playing with others all the time. That is why I am looking forward to Batman Arkham City so much, not a spec of Multiplayer or Co-Op in it.
Your argument here doesn't get to magically work. If you want 100% on achievements in any game, you don't get to choose which ones to perform and which ones to ignore. By admitting your desire to obtain all achievements, there is always that significant possibility of finding a million different achievements that are either difficult or not to your taste, for whatever reason. If BIoware created an achievement for romancing Kaidan and I don't want to play femshep, I'm still going to be forced down that road or lose the 100%.
it isnt an agrument, it is an opinion. The same as yours.
BeefoTheBold wrote...
And I understand your point of view as well to take a "wait and see" approach. It's one I could sympathize with if there were a greater number of SP only RPG titles around these days.
Decisions like this bother me a lot more than they would if I knew I had a lot of viable alternatives if I wanted to get away from the continuing "socialization" of the gaming medium.
From my perspective, people who LIKE playing games with other people have a bazillion or so games to choose from. Is it too much to ask that us SP types have our tiny little segment of the industry where we can have what WE want?
Cainne Chapel wrote...
Lets see.
1. I like Dragon Age 2 actually, not the greatest game i ever played, but not horrible.
2. Witch hunt, eh it was ok i guess.
3. Kinda liked Arrival
4. Awakenings was decent.
5. Kinect, MS pushed for it, so BW is incorporating it, the kinect sensor does the work horse load of the work so bioware just has to implement commands, nothing really hard to do, sow hats the problem.
6. Hmm... unfortunately Bioware does not OWN the license, but were contracted to do so, much the same way Lucasarts contracted SOE to do the first SW MMO. COuld they have turned it down? Yeah but they dont control that IP so.... blame lucasarts for that.
7. They implied no such thing, this isn't MP its Co Op, big difference technically and they said nothing one oway or another, they merely stated their main goal is to make SP as best as it can be....which is why i think they mentioned another studio is handling it.
Whether their business decisions stray away from the long time hardcore, is of no difference, Bioware is a COMPANY an AT PROFIT COMPANY. THey dont make games out of the kindness of their hearts, they do it because they're a business. Now they cant produce crap and keep making money, so they have to fall somewhre near good, popular and proftiable to retain any viability.
They may have lost your preorder, which is sad that one announcment as an added benefit is enough to push you over the edge, but then you wouldn't really be a fan now would you? No you would just be someone that likes to blow things out of proportion and hop on any of the latest news with vitriol.
Me? Still gonna buy it. AS it doesn't matter to me whether CooP is there or not. *shrug* Guess I'm more of a fan then huh? But then again, I've also liked the Lions for the last 29 years too, being my home team and all, and dont just hop on the bandwagon now that their "Good"
Ancient Metal wrote...
What I have noticed is that lost in translation in all of this....guess who?
Commander Shepard.
ME3 is about Shepard and finding a way to defeat the Reapers....or stop them....anything....to save organic life. Now Shepard has been swept under the rug and at the very least there are corresponding characters.
Sure....I'm sure the common response will be don't use it, but just knowing it exists....and that it effects single player....is despicable. And resources used on MP could have been directly used on other aspects...any other aspect...of ME3 and made the game better. But its not, and we know now why there was a delay.
People should be ashamed....instead of the focus being soley on Commander Shepard as a PC....a character many people poured dozens and dozens of hours into and two games with transferring choices....they sold out for.....oh Lookie, I can be a Turian!!!!!!!!!! In reality, ME3 isn't Shepard's story, and the focus is now off of it and into a jumbled mess.
This is horrendous news, and I am frustrated and disgusted beyond words at this decision. I know my girlfriend is, too. Multiplayer diminishes everything I was looking forward to in this game....now I know full effort wasn't given to the game and we were basically misled into believing it wouldn't be in Mass Effect 3.
I was a fan who thought there were some good things in DA2, but overall felt it was a much inferior product to what I came to expect from BioWare and overall a fairly "shoddy" game. I'm not happy at all with the direction BioWare is going, and making choices that are directly opposite of my likes and dislikes as an avid fan of rpgs.
So much so, along with my girlfriend, that we have both cancelled our preorders of Mass Effect 3.
Unless you're on Xbox and don't have Gold.Mesina2 wrote...
@Darth Vengeant don't give me this completionist garbage.
If you really care to get 100%, you'll get friends or deal with some random people for a Co-Op achievements.
Darth Vengeant wrote...
it isnt an agrument, it is an opinion. The same as yours.
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