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[BeefoTheBold]

Novate wrote...

I think what everyone is forgetting is that EVERYTHING that was spend to create this CO-OP, getting a second team and getting it ready for march of 2012 is exactly what they could have used to create a more compelling Single Player Experience.  You could have gotten more planets, more missions, every mission that was in Co-op could have been in the single player experience.

You could have gotten more interaction scenes with Tali, Garus , Wrex. ...etc

You could have gotten more maps for missions

You could have more weapons

You could have more armors

You could have a longer Tali adventure, or any adventure about your companions.

You could have gotten more of everything, those that was meant for DLC could have gotten included in the initial shippment , and those extras could have become DLC.

Anyone that says otherwise is just fooling themselves. In every game that we have played , something is always taken out to add another feature.

I am not against a Co-op , it sounds cool and everything but I didn't play Mass Effect 1 and 2 and waiting for 3 to play a CO-OP , I play those games so that I can continue Shepard's Story and more of his story. Mass Effect 1 and 2 both feel alittle short to me. Thats why I didn't want Co-op, I wanted a long , epic journey for Mass Effect 3.  I know that this Co-op will work, it will be a success, but what will not be a success is all the WHAT IF'S  

VERY agreed.

[Il Divo]

Lard wrote...

MP is only added to appeal to a crowd that wouldn't normally care about the game.
MP is only added to sell more DLC like map packs.
MP is only added to put a bullet point on a box.

These are all indisuptable facts.

Fact: Games are only made to turn a profit.

[Darth Vengeant]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I know people feel really strongly about this topic, but let's cut it out with the name-calling and insults, please. Our posted Site rules--the very rules that you agreed to abide by when you signed up to participate in our community--are still very much in effect here.

It is indeed a real pity that alot of people are not able to have civil discussion online these days. Why do people feel the need to insult others simply for having a differing opinion or view on a subject than them?How is it such a threat to them?  I will never understand that kind of childish mentality.

Modifié par Darth Vengeant, 11 octobre 2011 - 09:33 .

[pmac_tk421]

I'm looking forward to more details. I didn't expect(I'm not saying I didn't want) them to impliment multiplayer. i see a lot of opportunity in this, since It might be cool to be able to affect the war with co-op.

[Iakus]

Zakatak757 wrote...

I'm not going to make an informative post supporting why ME3 SP will be fine, because it will be ignored and pushed down 3 pages in about 20 seconds. You guys should just cancel your preorders like you say you will and permeneantly log off.

Or maybe you still have hope, which is why you are posting and not leaving.

I'm waiting til tommorrow.  But that show better have a lot of red/blue words to convince me.

[AdmiralCheez]

Arsenal0602 wrote...

I know my girlfriend got so mad when I started to set up some multi player action with this girl at work, she is so full of herself thinking that since I spent all that time only with her that is how it is going to be forever and that there is no way I would spend time and money on something new.

How full of herself and vain is that?

Okay, are you seriously comparing Bioware to your lover or are you making fun of the people that do?

[Lard]

Il Divo wrote...

Lard wrote...

MP is only added to appeal to a crowd that wouldn't normally care about the game.
MP is only added to sell more DLC like map packs.
MP is only added to put a bullet point on a box.

These are all indisuptable facts.

Fact: Games are only made to turn a profit.

And that argument is a tired cliche.

Fact: Alienating your audience is going to reduce your profit.

[DaringMoosejaw]

Arsenal0602 wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

So most of the doomsaying going on here has nothing to do with whether or not the game will be more fun, since you can just ignore the MP and have it not effect you at all, but because people are upset that Bioware cares about other people, too, and not just them.

How incredibly vain.

I know my girlfriend got so mad when I started to set up some multi player action with this girl at work, she is so full of herself thinking that since I spent all that time only with her that is how it is going to be forever and that there is no way I would spend time and money on something new.

How full of herself and vain is that? 

If you were trying to turn my logic around on me, you lost the plot somewhere in the middle. Unless you're comparing the relationship between Bioware and purists as a monogamous relationship, which is taking things off the deep end of crazy. Or you're just screwing around.

Modifié par DaringMoosejaw, 11 octobre 2011 - 09:33 .

[bigheadzach]

Ancient Metal wrote...

ME3 is about Shepard and finding a way to defeat the Reapers....or stop them....anything....to save organic life. Now Shepard has been swept under the rug and at the very least there are corresponding characters.

You mean Garrus, Wrex, Tali, Liara, Legion, Mordin, Grunt, Miranda, Jack, Joker, Jacob, Zaeed, Kasumi, Ashley, Kaidan...those guys? Because I'm pretty sure without them you wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the Collector Ship, and even if you did, that last leap would have sent you plummeting into space.

While the character the player is controlling is Shepard, and the action revolves around Shepard, it has never been solely about Shepard.

Ancient Metal wrote...

So much so, along with my girlfriend, that we have both cancelled our preorders of Mass Effect 3.

So you came on here to let us know you're doing that? Wow...that ought to raise a few eyebrows.

...I still don't understand what publicly announcing cancelling pre-orders really accomplishes.

[Il Divo]

Lard wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Lard wrote...

MP is only added to appeal to a crowd that wouldn't normally care about the game.
MP is only added to sell more DLC like map packs.
MP is only added to put a bullet point on a box.

These are all indisuptable facts.

Fact: Games are only made to turn a profit.

And that argument is a tired cliche.

Fact: Alienating your audience is going to reduce your profit.

No more cliche than arguing that MP is only added to sell dlc. Your generalizations are all rather weak. Portal 2 would also like to have a word with you.

Modifié par Il Divo, 11 octobre 2011 - 09:34 .

[Loc'n'lol]

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

We arent a bunch of CoD fanboys guys, we're Bioware fans!  |:|

*snort*

[Doug4130]

Lard wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Lard wrote...

The anti-MP crowd has more merit in their argument than the pro-MP crowd.

The 'merit' seems to be that Bioware is daring to cater to people that aren't them and they're throwing a temper tantrum.

MP is only added to appeal to a crowd that wouldn't normally care about the game.
MP is only added to sell more DLC like map packs.
MP is only added to put a bullet point on a box.

These are all indisuptable facts.

Doug4130 wrote...

does it matter who has more merit?  The game will have multiplayer regardless

Of course it matters. There's still time to get Bioware to admit they're wrong and pull the MP mode.

I dunno man, I'm pretty excited to be able to play ME with my friends instead of just talking about it with them.  People who aren't interested in playing a RPG won't get ME3 just because there is an online component.  By that time BF3 will still be new, gears of war will still be thriving etc.  People who enjoy the mass effect series will play mass effect 3 and be able to do so with other people if they so desire.

They aren't wrong, and it's not gonna get pulled.  Would you rather they released a ME3 single player edition and a ME3 single player+multiplayer coop edition for the same price?

[Arsenal0602]

DarthSliver wrote...

Darth Vengeant wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Darth Vengeant wrote...

Doug4130 wrote...
Because whether it affects it or not is completely your choice.  Nothing is being forced on you at all, in the slightest.  You can pretend that multiplayer is not there, never click it once, and it will not affect your experience in any way shape or form.  You don't want multiplayer?  Don't play it then.  People who do want it will play it.  Everybody gets to do it the way they want to.  

Your wrong. You are being "forced" to do it if there are multiplayer achievments. I feel it is unfair. I have always felt there should be two separate types of achievements. One area for Single Player, and one area for Multiplayer. That way you can still get 100% in the Single Player part and never even have to worry about the rednundant and trendy Mutliplayer band wagon everyone is jumping on. Games like Assassins Creed and Dead Space do NOT need Multiplayer and would be much better off without it. Some people work very hard to get 100% in their games, but being forced to play part of the game they really dont care at all to play in order tyo get them is unfair. I can't count how many games I would have 100% on if it were not for the stupid mutliplayer achievemtns ruining it. No, not everyone enjoys playing with others all the time. That is why I am looking forward to Batman Arkham City so much, not a spec of Multiplayer or Co-Op in it.

Your argument here doesn't get to magically work. If you want 100% on achievements in any game, you don't get to choose which ones to perform and which ones to ignore. By admitting your desire to obtain all achievements, there is always that significant possibility of finding a million different achievements that are either difficult or not to your taste, for whatever reason. If BIoware created an achievement for romancing Kaidan and I don't want to play femshep, I'm still going to be forced down that road or lose the 100%.

it isnt an agrument, it is an opinion. The same as yours.

Actually its a fact that you dont need all the Achievements

I also don't need to eat steak for dinner tonight, but I want to so I am going to.

The whole thing is opinions, some people want to get all the achievements and are worried that the MP may cause them to not be able to, perhaps because of skill, lack of people to play with, no internet hooked up to their system.

Do they need to get 100% on this game? No

Do they want to? Yes.

Do they find it unfair that there is a chance they may not? Yes

A better question is, why does their complaints bother you? A simple concern about the addition on multiplayer should not effect your life, yet it is, why is that?

[Darth Vengeant]

Lard wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Lard wrote...

MP is only added to appeal to a crowd that wouldn't normally care about the game.
MP is only added to sell more DLC like map packs.
MP is only added to put a bullet point on a box.

These are all indisuptable facts.

Fact: Games are only made to turn a profit.

And that argument is a tired cliche.

Fact: Alienating your audience is going to reduce your profit.

Games are an artform, the same as cinema...WAS. When corporations get ahold of them thats when they only care about profit and milk everything to death until the art is gone. We are getting near that point in gaming now. Cinema has already fallen off the cliff.

[Lard]

Il Divo wrote...

Lard wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Lard wrote...

MP is only added to appeal to a crowd that wouldn't normally care about the game.
MP is only added to sell more DLC like map packs.
MP is only added to put a bullet point on a box.

These are all indisuptable facts.

Fact: Games are only made to turn a profit.

And that argument is a tired cliche.

Fact: Alienating your audience is going to reduce your profit.

No more cliche than arguing that MP is only added to sell dlc. Your generalizations are all rather weak. Portal 2 would also like to have a word with you.

Oh you mean the game that just had paid DLC released for it? Your point?

[Sailears]

Novate wrote...

I think what everyone is forgetting is that EVERYTHING that was spend to create this CO-OP, getting a second team and getting it ready for march of 2012 is exactly what they could have used to create a more compelling Single Player Experience.  You could have gotten more planets, more missions, every mission that was in Co-op could have been in the single player experience.

You could have gotten more interaction scenes with Tali, Garus , Wrex. ...etc

You could have gotten more maps for missions

You could have more weapons

You could have more armors

You could have a longer Tali adventure, or any adventure about your companions.

You could have gotten more of everything, those that was meant for DLC could have gotten included in the initial shippment , and those extras could have become DLC.

Anyone that says otherwise is just fooling themselves. In every game that we have played , something is always taken out to add another feature.

I am not against a Co-op , it sounds cool and everything but I didn't play Mass Effect 1 and 2 and waiting for 3 to play a CO-OP , I play those games so that I can continue Shepard's Story and more of his story. Mass Effect 1 and 2 both feel alittle short to me. Thats why I didn't want Co-op, I wanted a long , epic journey for Mass Effect 3.  I know that this Co-op will work, it will be a success, but what will not be a success is all the WHAT IF'S 

Yes that is a good point, especially taking disk space into consideration - I would gladly axe MP in favour of any of those things you have mentioned.

(note, I am neither anti, nor pro MP - I am indifferent to it)

Modifié par Curunen, 11 octobre 2011 - 09:36 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Lard wrote...

Fact: Alienating your audience is going to reduce your profit.

Most of the audience is not alienated.

Shockingly enough, the BSN does not accurately represent everyone who plays Mass Effect.

[NOD-INFORMER37]

So aside from a few ppl insulting each other for no reason, who's anxious to see what Bioware has planned for Wednesday?(or whenever they release morr info this week)

I'll try to keep positive, maybe this will be a great thing, but I'm still a tad worried (:]

[whitey2525]

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

So aside from a few ppl insulting each other for no reason, who's anxious to see what Bioware has planned for Wednesday?(or whenever they release morr info this week)

I'll try to keep positive, maybe this will be a great thing, but I'm still a tad worried (:]

I am so excited

[AdmiralCheez]

Darth Vengeant wrote...

Games are an artform, the same as cinema...WAS. When corporations get ahold of them thats when they only care about profit and milk everything to death until the art is gone. We are getting near that point in gaming now. Cinema has already fallen off the cliff.

Clearly, you haven't seen The Fountain.

[Eudaemonium]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Lard wrote...

Fact: Alienating your audience is going to reduce your profit.

Most of the audience is not alienated.

Shockingly enough, the BSN does not accurately represent everyone who plays Mass Effect.

Filth. And. Lies.

[DaringMoosejaw]

Lard wrote...

MP is only added to appeal to a crowd that wouldn't normally care about the game.
MP is only added to sell more DLC like map packs.
MP is only added to put a bullet point on a box.

These are all indisuptable facts.

What they indisputably are are assumptions, but that's it. Bioware is a business, they're supposed to try and raise their sales by pulling in new people. Why should they never attempt to expand the playerbase?

[Lard]

Doug4130 wrote...

They aren't wrong, and it's not gonna get pulled.  Would you rather they released a ME3 single player edition and a ME3 single player+multiplayer coop edition for the same price?

A) They are wrong. It was poor judgment on Bioware's part to include MP in this game.

Would I rather they released the game as a SP game, with the MP mode as DLC? Absolutely.

[DarkDragon777]

Hey guys, looks like they just ruined the continuity of the past 2 games and the Reapers, not like we should be mad or anything.

[Spectreshadow]

 Seriously, this sounds friken awesome!  How can people be angry with an optional multiplayer that doesn't impact single player one single bit?