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[111987]

As I'm sure everyone on these forums knows, Mass Effect 3 has been confirmed to have multiplayer. Though there are many people who support and embrace this addition to the game, on gaming websites such as BSN and IGN, the response to multiplayer has been negative in the majority of posts. While there are reasons to be skeptical (will multiplayer detract from the singleplayer experience, will DLC only be for multiplayer, etc...), I strongly encourage everyone, even the diehard multiplayer haters to at least give multiplayer a chance.

Throughout gaming history, there have been several examples of a game recieving negative press, or being told it will be a failure before the game was released or seen its in entirety. In several cases though, these critics ended up eating their words BIG TIME once they actually played the game. Here are three examples of games that were heavily blasted before release but ended up being some of the greatest games of all time.

Example 1 (Change of genre). Metroid Prime

Metroid Prime was the first Metroid game to be released after a 8 year hiatus. When the first preview for the game was released, the response was startling and overwhelmingly negative. How could Nintendo let Retro Studios turn a beloved platformer into an FPS? There was simply no way this could work, and the Metroid series was supposedly doomed.

For those of you haven't played Metroid Prime, that couldn't be further than the truth. Metroid Prime is arguably one of the greatest games of all time. It has an average review score of 96% from Gamerankings, and an average of 97% form Metacritic. It won multiple Game of the Year Awards, was a commercial success, and spawned one of the greatest trilogies in gaming. But before it was released, most people thought it would crash and burn.

Similar examples: The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, Super Mario 64, Resident Evil 4

Example 2 (Change in style). The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker

After 'The Ocarina of Time' and 'Majora's Mask', most video game players felt that the next console iteration of Zelda would follow in the footsepts of a realistic Zelda world. And then the Wind Waker came along with a young child as Link, and bright, colorful cartoony graphics.

The gaming community was in absolute uproar over this. The vast majority of people felt that Zelda was being marketed to kids and would be a terrible game. I personally remember seeing lots of people on gaming websites saying they would not buy this game because of the graphics.

Like Metroid Prime, the Wind Waker turned out to be an absolutely AMAZING game. With a 95% average score on Gamrankings and an average of 96% on Metacritic, it is one of the best reviewed games of all time. These reviewers were the same people whom before were trashing the game because of its graphics.

Example 3 (Addition of multiplayer). Portal 2

After the success of the first Portal, no-one really doubted the that a sequel would be made. However, I don't recall many people clamoring for a multiplayer addition to the game (just like how many BSN'ers mention that no-one was claiming for multiplayer in Mass Effect). In fact, was there not a healthy dose of skepticism about the addition of multiplayer to a very unique singleplayer experience?

Ultimately though, the co-op campaign was universally lauded and Portal 2 was both commercially and critically superior to the original. While Portal 2 wasn't as heavily scrutinized as the other games I've mentioned, I feel it illustrates the point I am trying to make here.

Similar examples: Resident Evil 5, Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood

Perhaps Mass Effect 3 will turn out to be a disappointment. But for all the haters and naysayers, why don't you at least give it a chance? Because if history is in any indication, you might miss out on one hell of a game.

Modifié par 111987, 11 octobre 2011 - 04:09 .

[111987]

Now that the thread has been unlocked...bump!

Any thoughts?

[Savber100]

What's this?

Reason, moderation, and logic in my BSN forum? Get out.

That said, I think you're right.

Look at Uncharted 2, Portal 2, Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood, Dead Space 2, and even Bioshock 2.

They weren't terrible games because of MP. In some cases, they even enhanced the game.

...yes, I liked Bioshock 2 and Dead Space 2.... <_<

Modifié par Savber100, 11 octobre 2011 - 04:19 .

[AdmiralCheez]

These are a lot of really good examples.

Argh, why, Gamecube? Why I leave you at parents' house?! Needs my Prime.

[JeffZero]

Wind Waker was great. But there are still some who feel otherwise.

That's going to happen with ME3, just like with ME2 and ME1. That is unavoidable.

[Chromie]

I want cross-platform is all. Portal 2 did it in a way that was great and since this is a co-op game and not a competitive multiplayer why not? Hell Valve has already confirmed cross-platform for PS3, PC and Mac for the upcoming Counter Strike Global Offensive.

[AngusJimiKeith]

Logical arguments on BSN? I didn't know they existed.
My only complaint here is that RE5's singleplayer suffered noticeably. Whether it was due to MP or not I can't say, but it was NOT up to par with RE4.

The other thing is ME multiplayer will affect the singleplayer experience. Mask it however you want to, it can and will. This, in my opinion, was a bad move. This should have been saved for a future title. ME3 is the conclusion to YOUR Shepard's story, and allowing it to be influenced by other players, including your own MP alter-ego, seems...wrong. I personally would have preferred if the MP had not affected SP.

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

Watch everyone love the multiplayer when it comes out. Seriously I can so see everyone looking back at the fear and apprehension and just laughing about it.

[Chromie]

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Watch everyone love the multiplayer when it comes out. Seriously I can so see everyone looking back at the fear and apprehension and just laughing about it.

Bioware also had experience with multiplayer gaming. Look at Baldur's Gate 1,2 and Neverwinter Nights also The Old Republic is an MMO.

[JeffZero]

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Watch everyone love the multiplayer when it comes out. Seriously I can so see everyone looking back at the fear and apprehension and just laughing about it.

Heh. Well it won't be everyone -- there's a BSN user for every personality trait, really.

I still find myself a tad baffled by the ME2-haters but they exist in droves. The co-op bashers will form a tightly-knit community here no matter how good or bad it ends up being.

Thankfully, I can ignore those I deem annoying. The internet is special like that. 

[spirosz]

Great post, nice to see some positive outlooks on this feature.

I'm really excited about this Co-op since we've gotten all the information from Chris, it just seems like a really neat idea and hopefully it will be implemented right.

I didn't have a PS3 when Uncharted 2 was launching, but I could imagine similar reactions from the fans, upon hearing the news of multiplayer, but look how that turned out. IMO, one of the best Single player experiences I've had, with a great multiplayer as well. Hopefully Bioware can really nail this down because I'm really hoping for the best.

[Bigdoser]

JeffZero wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Watch everyone love the multiplayer when it comes out. Seriously I can so see everyone looking back at the fear and apprehension and just laughing about it.

Heh. Well it won't be everyone -- there's a BSN user for every personality trait, really.

I still find myself a tad baffled by the ME2-haters but they exist in droves. The co-op bashers will form a tightly-knit community here no matter how good or bad it ends up being.

Thankfully, I can ignore those I deem annoying. The internet is special like that. 

Yup since posts here is in text, posts that are annoying are very easy to ignore. I am also on the same boat I prefer me2 over 1 but hey people like different games.

Modifié par Bigdoser, 11 octobre 2011 - 04:33 .

[111987]

AngusJimiKeith wrote...

Logical arguments on BSN? I didn't know they existed.
My only complaint here is that RE5's singleplayer suffered noticeably. Whether it was due to MP or not I can't say, but it was NOT up to par with RE4.

The other thing is ME multiplayer will affect the singleplayer experience. Mask it however you want to, it can and will. This, in my opinion, was a bad move. This should have been saved for a future title. ME3 is the conclusion to YOUR Shepard's story, and allowing it to be influenced by other players, including your own MP alter-ego, seems...wrong. I personally would have preferred if the MP had not affected SP.

Indeed, Resident Evil 4 was (IMO) the superior game. In this particular case though, it was more the direction of the story and the setting that was at fault; in terms of gameplay, I felt Resident Evil 5 was just as good, if not better, than Resident Evil 4.

There are other threads that discuss this, but you should definitley check out the FAQ at the top of this forum; they explain quite well how multiplayer won't detract from the singleplayer experience.

JeffZero wrote...

Wind Waker was great. But there are still some who feel otherwise.

That's going to happen with ME3, just like with ME2 and ME1. That is unavoidable.

You are very right, of course. Just as there are people who hate Metroid Prime or the Wind Waker or all those other games I brought up, there will be people whom hate Mass Effect 3. My point I guess, is a suggestion that the haters realize that although co-op is a controversial change, it could end up being a fantastic one.

Modifié par 111987, 11 octobre 2011 - 04:35 .

[Lunatic LK47]

AngusJimiKeith wrote...

Logical arguments on BSN? I didn't know they existed.
My only complaint here is that RE5's singleplayer suffered noticeably. Whether it was due to MP or not I can't say, but it was NOT up to par with RE4.

The other thing is ME multiplayer will affect the singleplayer experience. Mask it however you want to, it can and will. This, in my opinion, was a bad move. This should have been saved for a future title. ME3 is the conclusion to YOUR Shepard's story, and allowing it to be influenced by other players, including your own MP alter-ego, seems...wrong. I personally would have preferred if the MP had not affected SP.

Bolded for emphasis. I also recall campaigns for games I considered purchasing to be sub-par because of the carbon-copy multiplayer or outright mediocre just because of its very existence. 

Medal of Honor 2010: We ended up with a 5-hour campaign and a Battlefield-lite multiplayer, and guess what, both departments sucked, and the more insulting aspect, DICE was responsible for the multiplayer.

F.E.A.R. 3: First two games and the non-canon expansion packs were primarily single-player with multiplayer as an afterthought. Guess what happened with Game #3, they took the devs for Console versions of F.E.A.R. 1 and wanted to completely inverse it (i.e. More multiplayer modes, and a shoe-horned co-op.). Guess what, game died out TWO MONTHS AFTER RELEASE.

Games I bought:

Any Tom Clancy game from 2006-2009: Multiplayer is dead as of APRIL 2010, and I bought most of them at $19.99 (Rainbow Six Vegas 1 for $7.99 used, while Vegas 2 and GRAW 2 were at the $19.99 price tag.)

Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway: Single-player
felt subpar despite incremental improvements to squad A.I., and guess
what, RockStar was responsible for the multiplayer, and I've been
hearing nothing but horror stories with networking problems.

Modern Warfare 2:  Campaign could have been slightly longer, but oops, Spec-Ops and the regular multiplayer got in the way. I bought the Call of Duty games PRIMARILY FOR CAMPAIGN.

Resident Evil 5: Co-op mandatory just for the sake of making my life easier. I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO USE MY FRIENDS AS CRUTCHES JUST TO ENJOY MY GAME.

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

JeffZero wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Watch everyone love the multiplayer when it comes out. Seriously I can so see everyone looking back at the fear and apprehension and just laughing about it.

Heh. Well it won't be everyone -- there's a BSN user for every personality trait, really.

I still find myself a tad baffled by the ME2-haters but they exist in droves. The co-op bashers will form a tightly-knit community here no matter how good or bad it ends up being.

Thankfully, I can ignore those I deem annoying. The internet is special like that. 

I know there will be some haters but 10% of people are idiots anyway so what do I care about their opinions. Of course I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum and love everything about Mass Effect and if I had the funds I would have bought everything in the Bioware store. I love the books, comics, and when they come out I will more than likely love the movies too. I love gears of war horde mode and multiplayer mode I will more than likely love this. I just wish people had more faith in Bioware.

[Gladegunner]

I think we can agree that although there examples of both surprising success's and disdainful regresses in some games that moved away from their strengths, that this is a part of the game regardless of what we think. They have already put man-hours into this, and pushing this back is simply the worst option out of living and playing with it, living with and not playing it, or going backwards. Mass Effect has tried alot of experimentation with its DLC's, and personally I think this addition should have been an actual DLC. But before we close our minds to it, or open our minds too far, we should wait until actual gameplay footage instead of bashing the itch.

Damn being neutral is hard. Especially in Mass Effect.

[Chromie]

So no one cares for cross-platform?

You can't really be neutral in Mass Effect though.

[Lunatic LK47]

Gladegunner wrote...

I think we can agree that although there examples of both surprising success's and disdainful regresses in some games that moved away from their strengths, that this is a part of the game regardless of what we think. They have already put man-hours into this, and pushing this back is simply the worst option out of living and playing with it, living with and not playing it, or going backwards. Mass Effect has tried alot of experimentation with its DLC's, and personally I think this addition should have been an actual DLC. But before we close our minds to it, or open our minds too far, we should wait until actual gameplay footage instead of bashing the itch.

Damn being neutral is hard. Especially in Mass Effect.

I knew Modern Warfare 3 was going to suck after 60 Infinity Ward employees walked out or were fired by Activision. THEY STILL WERE NOT PAID FOR MODERN WARFARE 2.

Modifié par Lunatic LK47, 11 octobre 2011 - 05:00 .

[Teredan]

Way to go to kill my excitement for ME3.

Dragon Age 2 was a disaster for me and I'm not buying blindly anymore
Don't care for it, I won't support it. Because Bioware/EA can tell me all they want that the MP won't tarnish the SP. But at the end of the day money goes into making something I don't care about that could have gone into extra SP features. So here is how it goes. I'll buy ME3 used(cheaper and only lacks the one thing I don't care about) to send a message that not every game needs MP. I propably sell it off to the likeminded again.

I'll support Bioware again if they make games again that interest me.

Now I know this is to some extent quite unreasonable. But again Dragon Age 2 broke my trust and this announcement doesn't mend it in the slightest. Now of course if ME3 is so stellar and turns out to be the revelation that ME2 after ME was I'm gonna buy it new. But I really doubt that given everything I've seen and played.

But now to the examples from the Threadcreator.

Now for me it was quite logical that Metroid Prime became a FPS. I mean you have a 2d platformer about shooting transfering it into 3d. Of course adjustments had to be made to set it apart from the mud of FPS that exist and to ensure it's predecessors spirit.

The Zelda one on the other hand is a good example. Back then there was a lot of controvery going on and there still probably is. But to me the Zelda games were never really dark and serious looking. I mean look at the NPCs and its quite clear that it's not the dark middle ages. Because of that I always was in support of the Wind Waker which I think is the best Zelda game to date because of its timeless design. Twilight Princess was great but its my least liked Zelda game.

And for the last example here I can't agree. I always thought that coop would fit portal greatly. I mean it's a freaking puzzle game. Solving puzzles in groups is always better than alone. Be it crosswords or dungeon puzzle in RPGs etc.

Now for Mass Effect. I don't see how MP would enhance the experience that Mass Effect is known for. From all the reports about this it will be a tag on for the game.

Modifié par Teredan, 11 octobre 2011 - 05:40 .

[GodWood]

Super Mario 64 sucked.

[111987]

GodWood wrote...

Super Mario 64 sucked.

Tell me you're joking. That is one of the most revolutionary games of all time!

[Chromie]

GodWood wrote...

Super Mario 64 sucked.

You must hate games in general...

[DaringMoosejaw]

GodWood wrote...

Super Mario 64 sucked.

Wandering in to a video game forum and saying Super Mario 64 sucked is more blatant trolling than wandering in to a moviegoer's forum and saying that Citizen Kane sucked.

[stysiaq]

Well, I'm happy that the multiplayer is in.

As long as it is just like "kill some husks in a co-op horde mode" or so.

[Gladegunner]

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

Gladegunner wrote...

I think we can agree that although there examples of both surprising success's and disdainful regresses in some games that moved away from their strengths, that this is a part of the game regardless of what we think. They have already put man-hours into this, and pushing this back is simply the worst option out of living and playing with it, living with and not playing it, or going backwards. Mass Effect has tried alot of experimentation with its DLC's, and personally I think this addition should have been an actual DLC. But before we close our minds to it, or open our minds too far, we should wait until actual gameplay footage instead of bashing the itch.

Damn being neutral is hard. Especially in Mass Effect.

I knew Modern Warfare 3 was going to suck after 60 Infinity Ward employees walked out or were fired by Activision. THEY STILL WERE NOT PAID FOR MODERN WARFARE 2.

Wait let me guess....YOU were one of them. And how did you bring MW3 into this?