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[Phaelducan]

Suprez30 wrote...

Of course Ken . Success and talent can often be connected but, can often be disconnected.
.It's not what I meant anyway. We're talking about Bioware. If they're selling more it's not because they're better . That the reason I quoted Stanley.

But anyway . If their product become to dumbed down and mainstream I will just stop buying it and  lock it in my mind somewhere with Mcdonald and Lady GAGA.

Harry Pooter can be quite nice you know  but, that not what I read when I want to be enlighten.
Don't tell me that you think Arny was a great actor?

Arnold was great... for an 80's action movie hero. Context is everything. 

In this case, it's also important as many people believe that Mass Effect 2 was one of Bioware's strongest games. Many Bioware fans even think so. You may not, but your opinion doesn't invalidate those others.

[KenKenpachi]

Hey now Arny is ****ing great in action movies >>

And exactly you don't have to buy it, but its a winning formula. I mean hell thats why you have fancy restruants and such. But I still prefer a Burger joint over a fine dinner...namely as I would fly into a fit of rage over the prices and small sizes...mayb beat a waiter with a cooking tray...but yeah...

Uhh, Like Phael up there says. If you don't like it you can always find a market more to your liking thats smaller and "Better" The company might have started out in a way you like but that doesn't mean it will stay that way or even go back. I don't like Nintendo's new direction, but its a damn good bread winner, I just don't buy it or make an ass of myself with demands on nintendo's forum.

Why waste the time ****ing? As to books I'll wager most wouldn't like what I do, I don't **** on Harry Potter when I see it, though I hate it....and wizards and witches in general, and I like reading Military, Military History, and technical matters. Some here love Western Philosphy while I'm purely Eastern. But I don't go around going on about it. Bioware changed back some years ago, it got bigger it has more workers, they have families to feed, bills to pay, the new path brings more money.

Don't be so selfish and it it makes you so mad or w/e, why stick here? Its like how you mentioned Burger joints, no one is forcing you to eat at Burger King when a Steak house is down the road. And in the case of gaming if no one is left to market the games you love well......

It Most likely sucked or wasn't economical.

[Lotion Soronarr]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

ME1 > ME2
DA:O > DA2

ME3 looks liek it will be a dissapointment.

Still not enough to make a call yet, I'll wait till ME3 is out. But it doesn't look promising from where I'm standing.

The only part of your statement that is anywhere close to being right is that DAO was better than DA 2.  ME 2 was incredible and a huge improvement over ME 1 and ME 3 is going to top even that.

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I consider ME2 overall inferior to ME1. It's writing, plot and narrative were considerably weaker, despite some other improvements.

Story elements are always completely subjective.

Subjectivity is subjective.

So no. I disagree. Bad writing is bad writing is bad writing.
Despite gameplay improvements, as a story, as a universem ME" is inferior.

[KotorEffect3]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

ME1 > ME2
DA:O > DA2

ME3 looks liek it will be a dissapointment.

Still not enough to make a call yet, I'll wait till ME3 is out. But it doesn't look promising from where I'm standing.

The only part of your statement that is anywhere close to being right is that DAO was better than DA 2.  ME 2 was incredible and a huge improvement over ME 1 and ME 3 is going to top even that.

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I consider ME2 overall inferior to ME1. It's writing, plot and narrative were considerably weaker, despite some other improvements.

Story elements are always completely subjective.

Subjectivity is subjective.

So no. I disagree. Bad writing is bad writing is bad writing.
Despite gameplay improvements, as a story, as a universem ME" is inferior.

Despite what you think your opinion is not fact.  Writing and storytelling is always subjective period.  ME 2 clearly had better gameplay, more content, less repetitveness, better DLC support, more fluid combat, a better dialog system, more distinction between classes, and it fleshed out the ME universe.  I still love ME 1 but ME 2 is clearly the better game and anybody not blinded by nostalgia goggles can clearly see that.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Despite what yo uthink, the universe is not fully subjective.

Writing is not fully subejctive. Period.
ME1 is clearly worse in the plot/writing department, and anybody who's not an illiterate fanboy can cleary see that.

[KotorEffect3]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Despite what yo uthink, the universe is not fully subjective.

Writing is not fully subejctive. Period.
ME1 is clearly worse in the plot/writing department, and anybody who's not an illiterate fanboy can cleary see that.

Might want to proofread your posts before you make accusations about illiteracy.  And I never argued that ME 2 had better writing than ME 1.  All I said is that writing and storytelling is completely subjective and I stand by that.  Besides these are video games and not books.  Games are not judged on writing and storytelling alone.

[Lotion Soronarr]

And I stand by what I said. There is nothing to discuss here.

[KotorEffect3]

Yes dismiss anything that doesn't align with your views and I like how you completely ignore factors other than the writing.

Modifié par KotorEffect3, 13 octobre 2011 - 10:35 .

[Jack Pipsam]

UMMM

have you seen Dark Age of Camelot?

Bioware got Mythic not long ago off EA and guess what DAoC is getting UPDATES!

I mean for a DAoC player, updates is somthing we have wanted for ages, while yes Bioware hasn't givin it a forum yet and Mythic is no longer in the title. Bioware has allowed Mythic to do work again!

[Chromie]

Both Mass Effect games have average writing.

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Are you kidding? The multiplayer has character customization, different races, level progression, weapons modding, and ties into the story. How is that not an RPG? All it's missing is the dialogue. Stop whining over this, you do realize this isn't Bioware's first go at multiplayer right?

-Polite

Totally agree with this.
I've heard a lot of people say this but I really don't think that Bioware is in decline. They just tried a few new things, I mean ME3 is looking fantastic and laugh all you want but I actually liked DA2 despite some of it's glaring flaws(passed 5 times:P) I'm just tired of people whining on forums about how RPGs aren't what they used it to be back in the day and how DA2 sucks.

[PaulSX]

tez19 wrote...
I now believe Bioware is a good developer, not a godlike developer who make games they believe in and love. They are now making games for money and profit like many other good developers do. Bioware seem to no longer be in the elite of development studios.

Unlike most people here, I never think Bioware is a good game developer, What I like about Bioware games are narrative and dialog writing. The awesome games they produced are only Baldur's Gate series and Mass Effect 2 and may be Mass effect 3 in the future. Dragon Age Origins is a very satisfying experience but heldback by poor story. DA2 tries to fix those problems but did not do it right.  the games between baldur's gate series and DAO are all disppointments to me.

[KotorEffect3]

Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Are you kidding? The multiplayer has character customization, different races, level progression, weapons modding, and ties into the story. How is that not an RPG? All it's missing is the dialogue. Stop whining over this, you do realize this isn't Bioware's first go at multiplayer right?

-Polite

Totally agree with this.
I've heard a lot of people say this but I really don't think that Bioware is in decline. They just tried a few new things, I mean ME3 is looking fantastic and laugh all you want but I actually liked DA2 despite some of it's glaring flaws(passed 5 times:P) I'm just tired of people whining on forums about how RPGs aren't what they used it to be back in the day and how DA2 sucks.

The funny thing is ten years ago people were probably complaining about how rpgs were not as good as they were back in the "good old days".  Just have to laugh when nostalgia colors people's judgments.  I am of the heretical opinion that more often than not newer is better, sure there are exceptions but for the most part games from "back in the day" are nearly unplayable when compared to newer games and that goes for any genre.

Modifié par KotorEffect3, 13 octobre 2011 - 11:53 .

[slimgrin]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

And I stand by what I said. There is nothing to discuss here.

The hell there isn't. ME1 had a plot so superior to ME2's it isn't even funny. Both games have good writing, but not great writing, certainly not on the Level of The Witcher games.

[bussinrounds]

    These are the type of gamers that enjoy Bioware's new 'rpgs' ...

  

[KotorEffect3]

slimgrin wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

And I stand by what I said. There is nothing to discuss here.

The hell there isn't. ME1 had a plot so superior to ME2's it isn't even funny. Both games have good writing, but not great writing, certainly not on the Level of The Witcher games.

Some people might like ME 1's plot more but most people at the same time will agree that ME 2 had better overall gameplay, less repetitive environments (ME 1's main quest didn't have repetitive environments but the sidequests were extremely repetitive, the problem is if you skip the sidequests in ME 1 it became a very short game), more distinction between classes, a better overall dialog system, more weapon variety, more dlc support, smoother more responsive combat, and ME 2 fleshed out the universe and introduced some of the most interesting and entertaining characters we have seen so far (TIM, Aria, EDI, Mordin etc...)

The bottom line is if you were stack the two games against each other in various categories ME 2 would come out ahead out of ME 1 in most categories.  I am by no means disrespecting ME 1 in fact it is quite the opposite as I believe bioware took an already great product in ME 1 and made it better with ME 2 which means that they improved upon the Mass Effect experience and made the IP better for it.  Now is there still room for improvement?  Absolutely.

Modifié par KotorEffect3, 14 octobre 2011 - 12:10 .

[Romantiq]

Ringo12 wrote...

Both Mass Effect games have average writing.

Agreed. Entirely average. The thing is though, at least for me, ME1 was introduction to the world of mass effect and I didnt mind the average level of writting. ME2 however was a sequel, which I hoped would answer a lot of questions that remained after ME1, but it did nearly nothing story-wise. However, it did introduce some pretty awesome characters at least.

Modifié par Romantiq, 14 octobre 2011 - 12:16 .

[Phaelducan]

Disagree, I thought both had above-average quest lines and good dialog outside of the romance scenes. For that matter, writing in an RPG is an interesting thing to critique anyway, as usually the player has to look for the story. Usually a large portion of the writing in this genre is missed if a player follows the regular plot through to the end.

I thought many of the loyalty missions were well written, interesting, and engaging, whereas many of the side-quests in ME1 were also interesting and engaging. Both required paying attention to the dialog (not skipping it), reading codex entries, reading quest pop-up dialog and the like.

Not to further provoke the argument, but I wonder what the folks criticizing the writing in Mass Effect are comparing it to?

[Kaiser Shepard]

bussinrounds wrote...

    These are the type of gamers that enjoy Bioware's new 'rpgs' ...

  

I doubt these kinds of people are the ones that enjoy a more active combat system over a passive one.

[MJRick]

slimgrin wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

And I stand by what I said. There is nothing to discuss here.

The hell there isn't. ME1 had a plot so superior to ME2's it isn't even funny. Both games have good writing, but not great writing, certainly not on the Level of The Witcher games.

Because your opinion is clearly the only one that matters.

[KotorEffect3]

MJRick wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

And I stand by what I said. There is nothing to discuss here.

The hell there isn't. ME1 had a plot so superior to ME2's it isn't even funny. Both games have good writing, but not great writing, certainly not on the Level of The Witcher games.

Because your opinion is clearly the only one that matters.

According to Lotion Soronnar any opinion that is not aligned with his is completely wrong.