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[Killyox the Defender]

anyways, use lotions to cover up for magic dmg spread party dont have every1 in front of dragon use ranged if possible use buffs etc its really simple

[Simulacrum]

Killyox the Defender wrote...

Simulacrum wrote...

Simply put, I'm pissed. I'm pissed that I'm having so much trouble with dragon bosses that I hear people have beaten on the first try. Yeah right, and they are probably playing the most overpowered class, did research on the best party makeup, etc. and exploit that.

It comes down to this. I don't particularly enjoy doing extensive research on how to play the game the first time through. I just want to enjoy it. I've played enough RPGS and games in general to know my way around things. I'm not ignorant by any means. However, when I simply "can't" beat a boss, literally can't, there is a problem. I have my duel-wielding warrior, Alistar, Morrigan, and Wynne facing the High Dragon. I heal as best as I can but they all die, with little damage done to the thing. Why is this? I use my buffs, I heal constantly, I move my characters around in strategic positions (though it does little good), all spit back in my face. My characters are all around level 12, by the way. I hear someone beat Flemith as a level 8? What the **** is going on here?

The makers should've realized that most people will be picking up this game, making a class that appeals to them, and putting points and skills wherever seems most fun/interesting. If that actually hinders your playthrough of the game, that is simply bad design. I've never thought about simply quitting a game because of being fed up when I've put so much time in to it already. I never thought I would say it, but I'm disappointed with a Bioware game.

These forums are terrible too.

Rant over.

Stop being BAD, VERY BAD

i sarted the game at HARD on my first walkthrough and switched a lot of times to nightmare. Played 1 rogue [me] wynne alisair and leliana. Did ZERO reasearch. The reason i didnt suck as much as you is quite simple probably. This isnt my first RPG and unlike most 2000+ kids i havent started RPGs from oblivion but baldurs gate ID PS:T etc.

Use your brain instead of crying like a little girl. Game is actually quite easy regardless of difficulty.

Maybe you should learn to type like an adult before you go calling others "kid".

To be honest, given my background with games, I take what you all say with a grain of salt. I just needed to vent.

[billbro]

Simulacrum wrote...
I'm finding it funny that nobody here is explaining at all on how they accomplish it. I figure you all just kite, as if that should be considered as a real win.

People probably haven't said anything because as someone else noted, this is the no spoiler section of the forum, which I just realised.

You don't need to kite to win, at least I didn't have to kite nor did I cheese it.

[Soepkip1987]

I beat the dragon on the first try. As well as most of the other bosses.



The key to my success was Petrify and Cone of Cold. Petrify has a stupid long duration, if you get past the monster's resistance. Cone of Cold lasts shorter, but for some reason, bosses hardly save against it.



These spells interrupt the boss' own actions, as well as allowing you to heal back up. Group Heal and Lifeward are very useful for this.



Also, this thread needs a big giant SPOILER alert on it. It's only because I just found out I was able to kill Flemeth, if not I would've been seriously pissed...

[Spaceweed10]

slaveydavey wrote...

I've yet to encounter a dragon. I'm scared already :-p

Be afraid, be VERY afraid...

.

Bioware nailed the dragons in this game.

[Simulacrum]

Spaceweed10 wrote...

Simulacrum wrote...

Spaceweed10 wrote...

The reasons these forums are cr*p, is because of QQ threads like this.

I beat Flemeth first try with Wynne, Shale , Alistair, and my Rogue on 'Hard'.

It took a lot a micro management, but was a blast.

L2P and stop whining like a little girl.

Define "alot of micro management" to me. What exactly did you do to beat her? I can't even out-heal the High Dragons damage with two mages.

I think my point stands as valid, regardless. The difficulty needs to be addressed. I downloaded the patch as well.

Wynne's 'Regeneration' is probably the best pound for pound heal in the game.  I have Wynne programmed to regen Alistair @ 75% and heal him @ 50%.

Have Morrigan close by to hit the Dragon with 'Cone of Cold' if Alistair takes spike damage, which gives the regen time to take effect.

I also have Alistair programmed to take a healh pot if hit hits >25%.  Have Alistair also take a fire resist pot at the start of the fight.

Dude, you just have to put a bit of thought into the game, and use the tools provided for you.  If you feel so inclined, you can even cheese it with Morrigan, but it isn't necessary.  This particular spell I'm talking about I use as her own lifesaver, as it can trivialise the game if used on your tank...

That's it? All you do is spam regen, health pots, and cone of cold? I tried cone of cold a few times but it resisted and figured it would just be immune. It is a dragon afterall.

Eh, even still, that doesn't justify why I can't just "roll his face" as so many others have said. I am using morrigan as well.

[Thompsonmp]

Simulacrum wrote...

Simply put, I'm pissed. I'm pissed that I'm having so much trouble with dragon bosses that I hear people have beaten on the first try. Yeah right, and they are probably playing the most overpowered class, did research on the best party makeup, etc. and exploit that.

It comes down to this. I don't particularly enjoy doing extensive research on how to play the game the first time through. I just want to enjoy it. I've played enough RPGS and games in general to know my way around things. I'm not ignorant by any means. However, when I simply "can't" beat a boss, literally can't, there is a problem. I have my duel-wielding warrior, Alistar, Morrigan, and Wynne facing the High Dragon. I heal as best as I can but they all die, with little damage done to the thing. Why is this? I use my buffs, I heal constantly, I move my characters around in strategic positions (though it does little good), all spit back in my face. My characters are all around level 12, by the way. I hear someone beat Flemith as a level 8? What the **** is going on here?

The makers should've realized that most people will be picking up this game, making a class that appeals to them, and putting points and skills wherever seems most fun/interesting. If that actually hinders your playthrough of the game, that is simply bad design. I've never thought about simply quitting a game because of being fed up when I've put so much time in to it already. I never thought I would say it, but I'm disappointed with a Bioware game.

These forums are terrible too.

Rant over.

What the hell ?  it's been said over and over that the mobs scale to your characters level. I took out all of the games dragons, Flemeth was the first, but one on the first time fighting them. The only one that took me more than once was the one outside the ruins where the Urn of Andraste resides.

This games fights are all about tactics, gotta outhink your enemy to defeat it pure and simple. The revenants in the Brecilian Forest took me 5 trys to beat, but I finally did with , guess what ? tactics.


This game is not on easy mode like most dumbed down consilized games these days, it takes some thought and strategic planning. I had to fight Loghain 3 times to take him out before I got it right.

Modifié par Thompsonmp, 22 novembre 2009 - 12:26 .

[Zenthar Aseth]

You can't "roll his face" because your characters aren't optimized well.

[Exalonn]

Simulacrum wrote...

Oh please, enlighten me on how to play the game.

I'm finding it funny that nobody here is explaining at all on how they accomplish it. I figure you all just kite, as if that should be considered as a real win.

My party consisted of Alistair, Zevrhan, Wynne and my mage.

With the dragons I used ranged attacks 90% of the fights. The high dragon at the ashes sometimes flies around and then when it lands I was able to get some melee attacks in without it hitting me. But the melee just can't tank a dragon, so I found it better to let Alistair get in and get the threat from the dragon and then pull Alistair back and use bow with him. Mages heal and just do ranged dps. When it flies around and does knock back as it land, just position your party near some rock, where they are safe and can shoot at it all the time. When it then lands, let Alistair run in and take a few hits on it to get aggro. And keep him away from the party, so that they don't keep hit by area of effects. Oh, and potions are your friends ^^

Atleast thats how I remember the fight. Alittle time since I did it.

[Buddhess75]

I do not know if you are keeping your characters really far away from the dragon, but if you do that, it should be easy enough. Have only the tank (and melee dpsers, if you prefer to not have them using bows) and keep your ranged dps OUT of the dragons AoE range. Don't let them move freely and thats it..heal, use potions and you will do it.



If you are having problems the only thing you can really do is to pause a lot and control every action of your healer/tank. If only the tank takes damage and you have enough potions, the fight should go smooth.

[JWeb]

Sorry , but what does it mean to 'kite' .



Thanks

[deathwing200]

Hi. I soloed all the dragons in the game on hard. Stop being bad and make an effort or go back console shooters.

[Spaceweed10]

Simulacrum wrote...

Spaceweed10 wrote...

Simulacrum wrote...

Spaceweed10 wrote...

The reasons these forums are cr*p, is because of QQ threads like this.

I beat Flemeth first try with Wynne, Shale , Alistair, and my Rogue on 'Hard'.

It took a lot a micro management, but was a blast.

L2P and stop whining like a little girl.

Define "alot of micro management" to me. What exactly did you do to beat her? I can't even out-heal the High Dragons damage with two mages.

I think my point stands as valid, regardless. The difficulty needs to be addressed. I downloaded the patch as well.

Wynne's 'Regeneration' is probably the best pound for pound heal in the game.  I have Wynne programmed to regen Alistair @ 75% and heal him @ 50%.

Have Morrigan close by to hit the Dragon with 'Cone of Cold' if Alistair takes spike damage, which gives the regen time to take effect.

I also have Alistair programmed to take a healh pot if hit hits >25%.  Have Alistair also take a fire resist pot at the start of the fight.

Dude, you just have to put a bit of thought into the game, and use the tools provided for you.  If you feel so inclined, you can even cheese it with Morrigan, but it isn't necessary.  This particular spell I'm talking about I use as her own lifesaver, as it can trivialise the game if used on your tank...

That's it? All you do is spam regen, health pots, and cone of cold? I tried cone of cold a few times but it resisted and figured it would just be immune. It is a dragon afterall.

Eh, even still, that doesn't justify why I can't just "roll his face" as so many others have said. I am using morrigan as well.

People tend to over exaggerate to make others feel small - not that I would do that .

It depends on the 'difficulty' you use.  'Hard' is a decent challenge for me personally, but I've played all the Bioware games before, so I know how they think.

They have given you some very OP skills in this game to help all levels of gamers - if you 'read' what stuff does for you, and make intelligent decisions as to what types of damage will hurt certain creatures more than others.  Remember, every tactic has a counter...

[Serenity84]

All you need is one spell against the High Dragon: Cone of Cold. Or any other cold spell really. You can even freeze it for a short time.



Don't try to melee it with everyone. That's doomed to fail. Maybe have one fighter in its face to distract it. But you'll have to heal him all the time. The rest needs to stand back with ranged weapons. And then have your mage use cold spells on it. A staff that does cold damage and some cold damage increasing items helps too.



Otherwise remember that the fight is optional. If you absolutely can't do it, come back when you're more powerful. Some foes are just impossible to beat if your level is too low. That's supposed to be that way and it's good design.

[Spaceweed10]

JWeb wrote...

Sorry , but what does it mean to 'kite' .

Thanks

'Kiting' is to run around the targetted mob, whilst the rest of your party kills it.  Kiting usually results in the 'kiter' taking far less damage than it would ordinarily if he/she stood in one place.

It's a lame tactic.

[dtsazza]

 Generally good things to do fighting dragons or any hard fight:

• Take your time.  Pause every few seconds, and check on your characters' health, status and positions.  Try to see and prevent potential catastrophes before they happen (e.g. archer or mage characters start running into melee range for whatever reason).
• Be proactive with healing, as described above.  Manually casting "heal" when your tank gets to 20% health isn't going to cut it.
• Protect your party from the effects of the enemy.  For example, dragons do fire damage AoE and have a lot of stun/knockback effects, so have everyone take fire resistance salves before the fight (the best you can afford/obtain), and have characters do whatever they can to lessen the effects of the latter (e.g. two-handers' "Indomitable" trait, which makes them immune to both).  Hale runes can help here too/.
• Improve your own damage.  Use the most appropriate weapons & rune combination.  Some weapons for example have bonuses against particular creates that may make them more suitable than another weapon that's better in general.  Also consider armour penetration and to a lesser extent, critical chance; a sword is likely to be worse than a mace/maul against enemies with thick armour, and vice versa.  And this applies to runes too, pick the runes to give you the best damage overall against the enemy.
• Use poisons on melee weapons.  Just one rank in Poison-making lets a character apply any level of poison, a very worthwhile investment for fighters.  It's free additional damage with a chance to slow/stun/cripple, there's no downsides.
• Use sustained abilities well.  Assassins' "Mark of Death" is an obvious one to use, effectively lowering the enemy's hitpoints.  Likewise, the various hexes are good - vulnerability in particular works well with the elemental weapons sustained ability (definitely Frost Weapons against a dragon).   For dual-wielders, Momentum is almost a must; likewise Rapid Firing for archers.
• Disable the enemy's chance to fight back.  Use CC/stuns where possible, but don't rely on them to working too often (or at all).  If you can disable the enemy for a few seconds, that's a massive amount of "free" damage you can pile on him before he recovers.  Use talents like Below The Belt, Sunder Arms, and Sunder Armour to reduce the enemy's combat effectiveness - though depending on his abilities before this may or may not have a noticeable effect (e.g. if you reduce a boss from 200 attack to 150 attack he'll still hit every time in most cases).

I've probably missed a good few things as well.

There's no single silver bullet, but each one of these can add a good little chunk to your effectiveness.  The difference between doing all of them and doing none of them will be eye-openingly wide.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Spaceweed10 wrote...

Wth are you playing at?  Are both your arms broken? 

Indeed. Come ON.

I actually thought this topic was going to be another rant about how easy Nightmare supposedly is... hence the ''joke''.

But no, every now and then we get somebody who is apparently incapable of playing a game at any meaningful level of difficulty, refuses to go on Easy for some vanity reason, and then proceeds to kick up a whinefest on the forums.

[Simulacrum]

Haha, all this hub-bub about everyone being better than me and that I'm terrible because I figured (and rightly so) that a dragon would resist an AOE stun (Cone of Cold)?

Before this game, I was playing BG2 and the dragons there are pretty much immune to all spells (unless of course you lower their magical resistance).

Modifié par Simulacrum, 22 novembre 2009 - 12:38 .

[Zenthar Aseth]

Simulacrum wrote...

Haha, all this hub-bub about everyone being better than me and that I'm terrible because I figured (and rightly so) that a dragon would resist an AOE stun (Cone of Cold)?

Before this game, I was playing BG2 and the dragons there are pretty much immune to all spells (unless of course you lower their magical resistance).

I'm sorry but.. are you just stupid? First you kept saying everyone was just kiting and that's why they won. Now EVERYONE is using Cone of Cold to beat it? Seriously? How stupid are you, exactly?

I, for one, didn't use Cone of Cold against the dragon, nor did I kite. I beat it in straight up melee combat, one on one.

[Loetek]

Simulacrum wrote...

Simply put, I'm pissed. I'm pissed that I'm having so much trouble with dragon bosses that I hear people have beaten on the first try. Yeah right, and they are probably playing the most overpowered class, did research on the best party makeup, etc. and exploit that.

It comes down to this. I don't particularly enjoy doing extensive research on how to play the game the first time through. I just want to enjoy it. I've played enough RPGS and games in general to know my way around things. I'm not ignorant by any means. However, when I simply "can't" beat a boss, literally can't, there is a problem. I have my duel-wielding warrior, Alistar, Morrigan, and Wynne facing the High Dragon. I heal as best as I can but they all die, with little damage done to the thing. Why is this? I use my buffs, I heal constantly, I move my characters around in strategic positions (though it does little good), all spit back in my face. My characters are all around level 12, by the way. I hear someone beat Flemith as a level 8? What the **** is going on here?

The makers should've realized that most people will be picking up this game, making a class that appeals to them, and putting points and skills wherever seems most fun/interesting. If that actually hinders your playthrough of the game, that is simply bad design. I've never thought about simply quitting a game because of being fed up when I've put so much time in to it already. I never thought I would say it, but I'm disappointed with a Bioware game.

These forums are terrible too.

Rant over.

Dude. Flem and that high dragon are two completely different kind of fights. This needs moved to the spoiler section

[Simulacrum]

Zenthar Aseth wrote...

Simulacrum wrote...

Haha, all this hub-bub about everyone being better than me and that I'm terrible because I figured (and rightly so) that a dragon would resist an AOE stun (Cone of Cold)?

Before this game, I was playing BG2 and the dragons there are pretty much immune to all spells (unless of course you lower their magical resistance).

I'm sorry but.. are you just stupid? First you kept saying everyone was just kiting and that's why they won. Now EVERYONE is using Cone of Cold to beat it? Seriously? How stupid are you, exactly?

I, for one, didn't use Cone of Cold against the dragon, nor did I kite. I beat it in straight up melee combat, one on one.

Well, if what I read was true (from someone else in this thread), that the game adjusts difficulty depending on how you play, you probably beat it at level 1.

In all seriousness, yes, everyone was probably just kiting or using Cone of Cold.

[Loetek]

Spaceweed10 wrote...

JWeb wrote...

Sorry , but what does it mean to 'kite' .

Thanks

'Kiting' is to run around the targetted mob, whilst the rest of your party kills it.  Kiting usually results in the 'kiter' taking far less damage than it would ordinarily if he/she stood in one place.

It's a lame tactic.

Lame really? I feel kinda dumb now. So playing as a mage, should i just stand there and let the Ogre pound me to bits when i pull agro off the tank? Or should i just not put out DPS on my DPS mage?

[Spaceweed10]

Simulacrum wrote...

Haha, all this hub-bub about everyone being better than me and that I'm terrible because I figured (and rightly so) that a dragon would resist an AOE stun (Cone of Cold)?

Before this game, I was playing BG2 and the dragons there are pretty much immune to all spells (unless of course you lower their magical resistance).

Dude, you are answering your own questions.

'Counters' - you have them.  Creatures in this game have a %chance to avoid/resist your attacks.  If a creature has a high chance to resist magic, you said yourself that in BG2 you had to reduce it's magic resistance.

What kind of spell does Morrigan come into the game with?

[Zenthar Aseth]

Simulacrum wrote...

Zenthar Aseth wrote...

Simulacrum wrote...

Haha, all this hub-bub about everyone being better than me and that I'm terrible because I figured (and rightly so) that a dragon would resist an AOE stun (Cone of Cold)?

Before this game, I was playing BG2 and the dragons there are pretty much immune to all spells (unless of course you lower their magical resistance).

I'm sorry but.. are you just stupid? First you kept saying everyone was just kiting and that's why they won. Now EVERYONE is using Cone of Cold to beat it? Seriously? How stupid are you, exactly?

I, for one, didn't use Cone of Cold against the dragon, nor did I kite. I beat it in straight up melee combat, one on one.

Well, if what I read was true (from someone else in this thread), that the game adjusts difficulty depending on how you play, you probably beat it at level 1.

In all seriousness, yes, everyone was probably just kiting or using Cone of Cold.

What about you stop making assumptions and learn to play instead? I beat it at level 17. The High Dragon is always 3 levels higher than you are.

In all seriousness, if you want to be dumb then so be it. Some people just can't be helped - I guess you just cannot accept that you are an inferior player.

[Simulacrum]

Loetek wrote...

Simulacrum wrote...

Simply put, I'm pissed. I'm pissed that I'm having so much trouble with dragon bosses that I hear people have beaten on the first try. Yeah right, and they are probably playing the most overpowered class, did research on the best party makeup, etc. and exploit that.

It comes down to this. I don't particularly enjoy doing extensive research on how to play the game the first time through. I just want to enjoy it. I've played enough RPGS and games in general to know my way around things. I'm not ignorant by any means. However, when I simply "can't" beat a boss, literally can't, there is a problem. I have my duel-wielding warrior, Alistar, Morrigan, and Wynne facing the High Dragon. I heal as best as I can but they all die, with little damage done to the thing. Why is this? I use my buffs, I heal constantly, I move my characters around in strategic positions (though it does little good), all spit back in my face. My characters are all around level 12, by the way. I hear someone beat Flemith as a level 8? What the **** is going on here?

The makers should've realized that most people will be picking up this game, making a class that appeals to them, and putting points and skills wherever seems most fun/interesting. If that actually hinders your playthrough of the game, that is simply bad design. I've never thought about simply quitting a game because of being fed up when I've put so much time in to it already. I never thought I would say it, but I'm disappointed with a Bioware game.

These forums are terrible too.

Rant over.

Dude. Flem and that high dragon are two completely different kind of fights. This needs moved to the spoiler section

You mean I can't just spam Cone of Cold on both? Well, what if I got rid of the rest of my party and solo'd it, then? Is that the trick?