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[Spaceweed10]

Loetek wrote...

Spaceweed10 wrote...

JWeb wrote...

Sorry , but what does it mean to 'kite' .

Thanks

'Kiting' is to run around the targetted mob, whilst the rest of your party kills it.  Kiting usually results in the 'kiter' taking far less damage than it would ordinarily if he/she stood in one place.

It's a lame tactic.

Lame really? I feel kinda dumb now. So playing as a mage, should i just stand there and let the Ogre pound me to bits when i pull agro off the tank? Or should i just not put out DPS on my DPS mage?

You need to ask yourself, 'why am I pulling aggro off my tank...'

[Solmyr2000]

Simulacrum wrote...
In all seriousness, yes, everyone was probably just kiting or using Cone of Cold.

Lol. I'm playing on nightmare with my own mod. It makes cooldown for CoC 4x longer, makes FF much less useful and other balance things.
And yeah, I'm currently playing for one of my chars without mage on nightmare.
I played BG1-2 on max difficulty. Just try it. TRY IT. It's MUCH MORE difficult than nightmare in DA.

Some battles are really very difficult for some types of parties.

Modifié par Solmyr2000, 22 novembre 2009 - 12:54 .

[Skellimancer]

AW/BM's stroking thier epeens.



Flemeth is much easier than the mountain Dragon.



If you have trouble then just lower the difficulty.



Its not a crime to do so.

[Loetek]

Simulacrum wrote...

Loetek wrote...

Simulacrum wrote...

Simply put, I'm pissed. I'm pissed that I'm having so much trouble with dragon bosses that I hear people have beaten on the first try. Yeah right, and they are probably playing the most overpowered class, did research on the best party makeup, etc. and exploit that.

It comes down to this. I don't particularly enjoy doing extensive research on how to play the game the first time through. I just want to enjoy it. I've played enough RPGS and games in general to know my way around things. I'm not ignorant by any means. However, when I simply "can't" beat a boss, literally can't, there is a problem. I have my duel-wielding warrior, Alistar, Morrigan, and Wynne facing the High Dragon. I heal as best as I can but they all die, with little damage done to the thing. Why is this? I use my buffs, I heal constantly, I move my characters around in strategic positions (though it does little good), all spit back in my face. My characters are all around level 12, by the way. I hear someone beat Flemith as a level 8? What the **** is going on here?

The makers should've realized that most people will be picking up this game, making a class that appeals to them, and putting points and skills wherever seems most fun/interesting. If that actually hinders your playthrough of the game, that is simply bad design. I've never thought about simply quitting a game because of being fed up when I've put so much time in to it already. I never thought I would say it, but I'm disappointed with a Bioware game.

These forums are terrible too.

Rant over.

Dude. Flem and that high dragon are two completely different kind of fights. This needs moved to the spoiler section

You mean I can't just spam Cone of Cold on both? Well, what if I got rid of the rest of my party and solo'd it, then? Is that the trick?

You completely lost me. All I said is "Flem and that high dragon are two completely different kind of fights"
I never said anything about cone of cold...

[Loetek]

Spaceweed10 wrote...

Loetek wrote...

Spaceweed10 wrote...

JWeb wrote...

Sorry , but what does it mean to 'kite' .

Thanks

'Kiting' is to run around the targetted mob, whilst the rest of your party kills it.  Kiting usually results in the 'kiter' taking far less damage than it would ordinarily if he/she stood in one place.

It's a lame tactic.

Lame really? I feel kinda dumb now. So playing as a mage, should i just stand there and let the Ogre pound me to bits when i pull agro off the tank? Or should i just not put out DPS on my DPS mage?

You need to ask yourself, 'why am I pulling aggro off my tank...'

Guess ill reroll... dont wanna be lame.

The point im getting at is, its not lame to kite. Its a tactic.

[Taltherion]

It depends a lot on your level, too. When I did the quest where you can face the High Dragon, I was about lvl 11 ... came back at level 15 and killed the dragon after a nice, close fight.

[Spaceweed10]

Solmyr2000 wrote...

Simulacrum wrote...
In all seriousness, yes, everyone was probably just kiting or using Cone of Cold.

Lol. I'm playing on nighmare with my own mod. It makes cooldown for CoC 4x longer, makes FF much less useful and other balance things.
And yeah, I'm currently playing for one of my chars without mage on nightmare.
I played BG1-2 on max difficulty. Just try it. TRY IT. It's MUCH MORE difficult than nightmare in DA.

Some battles are really very difficult for some types of parties.

I just started a playthrough with me <Ranger>, Leilana <Ranger>, Dog & Morrigan.  Attempting to play the game without a Tank.  Just got to my first Revenant ...

Btw, BG2 on hardest - grats.

[TileToad]

Solmyr2000 wrote...

Lol. I'm playing on nightmare with my own mod. It makes cooldown for CoC 4x longer, makes FF much less useful and other balance things.
And yeah, I'm currently playing for one of my chars without mage on nightmare.
I played BG1-2 on max difficulty. Just try it. TRY IT. It's MUCH MORE difficult than nightmare in DA.

Some battles are really very difficult for some types of parties.

You'd probably enjoy getting kicked in the nuts too.

[Simulacrum]

Like I was saying, the difficulty needs to be toned down.



I'm going to be starting a petition where you all can sign in protest. I'll get to work on that now.

[Archonsg]

I think there's a divide of those playing the game who are old hands at taking on boss mobs and those who aren't . I mean, raise of hands here, how many of you who did in Flemmeth or the High Dragon on their first attempt on at leat normal or harder difficulty modes, who are/were on a constant basis involved in high end raids?

I know I applied your basic dragon raid tactics which essentially means layering your meat shield with the best resists possible, elemental well as physical, and make sure he constantly taunt. everyone else move behind and away from the dragon's breath attack and if possible try to stun the dragon (higher lvl deathroot poison works well) and of course debuff the darn thing. My personal favorite team mix for dragon killing has Shale as meat shield, Lelianna (assasin) dual weilding highest possible tier deathroot poisoned weapons, Wynne healer and specing her to have paralyze and the main player. You could substitute the main player or Alister to tank, just make sure he is specced to be a meat shield with the constitution to take hard hits.

[Zenthar Aseth]

[Elanareon]

How aboout toning down normal then toning up nightmare? everybody is happy!!!

[Solmyr2000]

TileToad wrote...
You'd probably enjoy getting kicked in the nuts too.

Well yeah, I like to reload 100 times to win a battle. It makes game only more interesting.

How aboout toning down normal then toning up nightmare? everybody is happy!!!

That's best idea ever. Hard and nightmare have not so much differences.

Modifié par Solmyr2000, 22 novembre 2009 - 01:04 .

[Tripedius]

The diffilculty is indeed a joke, normal is way too easy. Dropped everything I met with easy. Sure I died now and again (rarely) but that was more down to not knowing how the fight worked or how the enemies are positioned.

[Spaceweed10]

Simulacrum wrote...

Like I was saying, the difficulty needs to be toned down.

I'm going to be starting a petition where you all can sign in protest. I'll get to work on that now.

Huh?

You have 4 difficulty levels already.  'Easy' is for Stevie Wonder....

[Soepkip1987]

Dude, the difficulty of the game is fine as is.



I'd even go as far as saying the broken spells should be toned down so the difficulty goes UP, instead of down.



If you're having trouble with those fights, try some new tactics. Also remember the very lame opportunity of brewing potions in the middle of the fight. Potions win the game for me.

[Onkel_84]

Simulacrum wrote...

Haha, all this hub-bub about everyone being better than me and that I'm terrible because I figured (and rightly so) that a dragon would resist an AOE stun (Cone of Cold)?

Before this game, I was playing BG2 and the dragons there are pretty much immune to all spells (unless of course you lower their magical resistance).

First of all: Im surprised that anyone has even made an attemt to help you so far, that attitude of yours is like poison to these forums.

Second of all: This game is not Baldurs Gate 2, even though it is a spiritual sucessor to it. They dont even use the same rules as in Baldurs Gate, so claiming that it was not your fault that you didnt bother to check if a boss is immune to certain freezing effects is just plain your own fault. Bosses arent immune to most effects, they just last a shorter time compared to most other enemies. Do what others have tried to tell you all along: Try new things, dont just repeat your old tactic and think that it is perfect the first time you try it.

*SPOILER*

I'll even be nice and give you a tip: Use Force Field on the dragon if one of your characters gets picked up by the dragon, he well then automatically drop him. You can also use force field on the dragon if one of your characters gets dangerously low on health so you can heal him up.

[Spaceweed10]

Archonsg wrote...

 You could substitute the main player or Alister to tank, just make sure he is specced to be a meat shield with the constitution to take hard hits.

Or the dex .

Lateral thinking works wonders.

[Zibon]

First of all this is an optional battle so no, it doesn't need to be toned down.



Second of all people are posting way too many spoilers here.



Third... what I did was have alistair tank, my rogue backstab, leliana shoot from range, and mage heal. I killed it twice because I had to reload for something. Both times I think alistair died near the end and my rogue ended up tanking. Take warmth balms if you need them, and of course you should be using potions when necessary. Oh and this was on nightmare too.

[Spaceweed10]

Taltherion wrote...

It depends a lot on your level, too. When I did the quest where you can face the High Dragon, I was about lvl 11 ... came back at level 15 and killed the dragon after a nice, close fight.

Dude, you asked a question - I answered it with my opinion.

It's your game - play it how you please .

[Skellimancer]

Zibon wrote...

First of all this is an optional battle so no, it doesn't need to be toned down.

Second of all people are posting way too many spoilers here.

Third... what I did was have alistair tank, my rogue backstab, leliana shoot from range, and mage heal. I killed it twice because I had to reload for something. Both times I think alistair died near the end and my rogue ended up tanking. Take warmth balms if you need them, and of course you should be using potions when necessary. Oh and this was on nightmare too.

>Rogue
>tanking Dragon
>nightmare

pick two.

[Twiz Amber]

Its funny, l had a hard time to kill the dragons with 4 chars, as soon as 2 chars of my group died, it became much much easier, shale as tank, myself as mage. When l killed the high dragon first, l went to do Flemeth with the same tactic. Played on Normal difficulty. Trying the same on Hard at my second playthrough and it seems to be the same here. Frankly l find some of the normal mobs harder to kill.

[Mistersunshine]

I thought the difficulty was just about right, leaning toward too easy a lot of times. I played the whole game on Hard, with what I think was actually a very weak party. My character was an unoptimized Bard/Ranger who was heavily specced for persuasion/stealth/lockpicking more than combat, and I used Alistair, Morrigan (without a second specialization and only the one weak little Heal spell), and Dog (absolutely the weakest companion) for the whole game, including all of the tough encounters.



The High Dragon wiped us on my first try, and I beat it the second time, even though Alistair died very quickly into the battle. (And I had no way to revive him, sans a Spirit Healer.) So really, it was just my little cunning dagger bard, Morrigan, and the faithful Dog who did nearly all the work killing the dragon, which did take me about 15-20 minutes. I didn't kite or use Cone of Cold, but I did use quite a few healing poultices, a handful of lyrium potions, and a fair number of bombs tossed by my rogue. But it was certainly doable, and that was on Hard.

[Dark Mercy]

I disagree with the OP.  Most games made in the last five years have been over-simplified. 

I can understand and appreciate someone such as yourself that wants to sit down and go for a virtual ride, and just enjoy the experience of a game.  We all enjoy that from time to time.  But there are different games for that.  Dragon Age does require a little research (but not a lot), and that's part of the fun, and draw to the game.

RPG, and certain strategy games are what min/maxers love.  The things you coupled with the word exploit, are not bad things.  I'd encourage you to yes, sit down and read forum posts and strategy to best augment your play style.

[Spaceweed10]

Zibon wrote...

First of all this is an optional battle so no, it doesn't need to be toned down.

Second of all people are posting way too many spoilers here.

Third... what I did was have alistair tank, my rogue backstab, leliana shoot from range, and mage heal. I killed it twice because I had to reload for something. Both times I think alistair died near the end and my rogue ended up tanking. Take warmth balms if you need them, and of course you should be using potions when necessary. Oh and this was on nightmare too.

You just added to the 'spoilers' .