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[Jedi-Master-Spock]

Simple answer- Some people are better at the game then others. I couldn't beat either Flemeth or the high dragon in my first run through. Gonna give it a more serious run through this time. And people who beat it their first try on hard, well, they're just better at the game then us. Get over it.

[3SG Sage]

My recipe for dealing with most boss level creatures. Cone of cold to freeze them, then pound while watching your mage recharge that spell. The moment it recharges they are released so zap them again. It's not fool proof as the spell will freeze your own people too so positioning is important and when swarms of bad guys are attacking at the same time it is hard to stay focused. Use poison on weapons any character with the posion skill for extra damage. Keep any eye on your critical damage, if you have a bunch of red boxes go to camp or use first aid kits to heal the damage so you are at full effect.

[Murdario]

hahahah! if this game is too hard for you on easy(or if you arent playing on the easiest difficulty and are still whining about the game being too hard) i dont know how you manage to get through any basic day to day tasks.

[Zynk55]

everyone says not to melee dragons, but i did, and on hard, my main party was alistair(sword and shield), me (sword and shield) morrigan, and wynne.  Keep in mind, my characters had awesome gear, my guy was in full juggernaut, with ring of ages, and lifegiver. alistair was in full dragon bone massive plate, both had high armor, high defense, and insane fire resisstance, it was a slow death, but not at all that bad.

[jbann311]

Get shale to tank this Dragon. Have him equip a nice defensive fire crystal and it's a cake walk.



I did this my last game on Hard mode with Allister, Shale , Lelianna and my PC as a blood mage/spirit healer. All my mage did was heal, you don't need cone of cold or any of that force field cheapness.

[Killyox the Defender]

jbann311 wrote...

Get shale to tank this Dragon. Have him equip a nice defensive fire crystal and it's a cake walk.

I did this my last game on Hard mode with Allister, Shale , Lelianna and my PC as a blood mage/spirit healer. All my mage did was heal, you don't need cone of cold or any of that force field cheapness.

HER, shale is a FEMALE,

SHALE = FEMALE = GIRL=CHICK=BABE

why do people keep thinking its a guy

[Killyox the Defender]

Simulacrum wrote...

Killyox the Defender wrote...

Simulacrum wrote...

Simply put, I'm pissed. I'm pissed that I'm having so much trouble with dragon bosses that I hear people have beaten on the first try. Yeah right, and they are probably playing the most overpowered class, did research on the best party makeup, etc. and exploit that.

It comes down to this. I don't particularly enjoy doing extensive research on how to play the game the first time through. I just want to enjoy it. I've played enough RPGS and games in general to know my way around things. I'm not ignorant by any means. However, when I simply "can't" beat a boss, literally can't, there is a problem. I have my duel-wielding warrior, Alistar, Morrigan, and Wynne facing the High Dragon. I heal as best as I can but they all die, with little damage done to the thing. Why is this? I use my buffs, I heal constantly, I move my characters around in strategic positions (though it does little good), all spit back in my face. My characters are all around level 12, by the way. I hear someone beat Flemith as a level 8? What the **** is going on here?

The makers should've realized that most people will be picking up this game, making a class that appeals to them, and putting points and skills wherever seems most fun/interesting. If that actually hinders your playthrough of the game, that is simply bad design. I've never thought about simply quitting a game because of being fed up when I've put so much time in to it already. I never thought I would say it, but I'm disappointed with a Bioware game.

These forums are terrible too.

Rant over.

Stop being BAD, VERY BAD

i sarted the game at HARD on my first walkthrough and switched a lot of times to nightmare. Played 1 rogue [me] wynne alisair and leliana. Did ZERO reasearch. The reason i didnt suck as much as you is quite simple probably. This isnt my first RPG and unlike most 2000+ kids i havent started RPGs from oblivion but baldurs gate ID PS:T etc.

Use your brain instead of crying like a little girl. Game is actually quite easy regardless of difficulty.

Maybe you should learn to type like an adult before you go calling others "kid".

To be honest, given my background with games, I take what you all say with a grain of salt. I just needed to vent.

Like nan adult? Soz but do you think your OP is mature? You nerdraged here on forum crying every1 who beat those encounters on hard/nightmare during their 1st walktrhough [like me] had to use some guides or cheats or anything. Soz but you gotta get over the fact tha there are better people out there then you.

I dont care if you believe me or not or take it with grain of salt - if it makes you feel happier on the inside, well thats your thing but truth is truth many people didnt have slightest probs defeating those encounters

[Ekyri]

Killyox the Defender wrote...

jbann311 wrote...

Get shale to tank this Dragon. Have him equip a nice defensive fire crystal and it's a cake walk.

I did this my last game on Hard mode with Allister, Shale , Lelianna and my PC as a blood mage/spirit healer. All my mage did was heal, you don't need cone of cold or any of that force field cheapness.

HER, shale is a FEMALE,

SHALE = FEMALE = GIRL=CHICK=BABE

why do people keep thinking its a guy

Probably because not everyone has done Shale's quest.

[Killyox the Defender]

Ekyri wrote...

Killyox the Defender wrote...

jbann311 wrote...

Get shale to tank this Dragon. Have him equip a nice defensive fire crystal and it's a cake walk.

I did this my last game on Hard mode with Allister, Shale , Lelianna and my PC as a blood mage/spirit healer. All my mage did was heal, you don't need cone of cold or any of that force field cheapness.

HER, shale is a FEMALE,

SHALE = FEMALE = GIRL=CHICK=BABE

why do people keep thinking its a guy

Probably because not everyone has done Shale's quest.

Well the one ive quoted had her in grp and its hard to miss her dialogues:)

[jimmyw404]

The best part about this thread is how arrogant the original poster is, hahaha.

[likeorasgod]

My last ran through with my Warrior Noble Dwarf (SS C/R) I did both with just Alister, Lei and Sten. I was trying to do most of the game with no mages at all. I even did the Archdemon with no mages. Though I did find it was alot harder doing Flem and the High dragon with only one rang char, but I beat them down with melee weapons....lol poor ALister was killed in two secounds against Flem. A key to the boss fights is not put all your chars straight in front. I move them basicly to all four sides so that at any time three are beaten down on the boss when one is takeing the main damage. Allso make sure to take taunt off you tatics commands cause with no healers you need to control who you want to get the beat down and not....instead of the computer allways clicking it on.

[likeorasgod]

Zynk55 wrote...

everyone says not to melee dragons, but i did, and on hard, my main party was alistair(sword and shield), me (sword and shield) morrigan, and wynne.  Keep in mind, my characters had awesome gear, my guy was in full juggernaut, with ring of ages, and lifegiver. alistair was in full dragon bone massive plate, both had high armor, high defense, and insane fire resisstance, it was a slow death, but not at all that bad.

Allso when I did the dragons I wasn't at no 8th level.  I waited until mid teens.  So I can wear that nice gear and weapons.  Again I did them both with no mages in groups.  Yep I went through a bunch of pots, but that was what I had my mages back in camp for.  Produceing a crap load for me.

[Daedalus1773]

Simulacrum wrote...

Simply put, I'm pissed. I'm pissed that I'm having so much trouble with dragon bosses that I hear people have beaten on the first try. Yeah right, and they are probably playing the most overpowered class, did research on the best party makeup, etc. and exploit that.

It comes down to this. I don't particularly enjoy doing extensive research on how to play the game the first time through. I just want to enjoy it. I've played enough RPGS and games in general to know my way around things. I'm not ignorant by any means. However, when I simply "can't" beat a boss, literally can't, there is a problem. I have my duel-wielding warrior, Alistar, Morrigan, and Wynne facing the High Dragon. I heal as best as I can but they all die, with little damage done to the thing. Why is this? I use my buffs, I heal constantly, I move my characters around in strategic positions (though it does little good), all spit back in my face. My characters are all around level 12, by the way. I hear someone beat Flemith as a level 8? What the **** is going on here?

The makers should've realized that most people will be picking up this game, making a class that appeals to them, and putting points and skills wherever seems most fun/interesting. If that actually hinders your playthrough of the game, that is simply bad design. I've never thought about simply quitting a game because of being fed up when I've put so much time in to it already. I never thought I would say it, but I'm disappointed with a Bioware game.

These forums are terrible too.

Rant over.

OP, I feel your pain.  I too started as you did, and the game was NOT forgiving of my poor choices.  Every fight in the game I was 1 fight away from not being able to continue due to constantly being out of potions, and not having Heal spells on any of my active party members - every fight I'd scrape up a couple of potions to get me through the next fight.  I started over about 18 hours into the game, built my sword-&-board warrior and party around what I knew they would need to use certain armors, weapons & spells I'd find and ... now it's too easy on Normal.  Seriously too easy.  Wearing the blood dragon armor before you leave Lothering trivializes the fights.

The combat balance is not good.  It should not be as unforgiving if your party isn't optimal, and it shouldn't be as easy as it is when your party is "built properly".

[Fredescu]

I found the dragons disappointly simple. I killed all four first try on normal and hard. I'm trying nightmare now, so we'll see how that goes. There are much harder fights in the game. The dragons (the first three anyway) are simple endurance fights.

[cpz01]

Taken down both dragons twice now, first time was on hard second on nightmare.

Thongs to note without giving any big spoilers



dragons do aoe damage so having a group sit together is a bad idea.



dragons do a lot of fire damage, so having your tank have some fire resist gear is a good idea.



if your tanking you can manipulate the direction the dragon is facing as long as you have agro.



only one person needs to be and should be in front of the dragon.



dragons kick and knock you down if you are behind them



Mass regenerate is a godsend and worth the 4 points to get.



that's just a few little tips that might help but you really need to take a look at your resources and see who is best to take with you and what active \\ passive skills can help the most.

[MassEffect762]

It sure is when I'm using runscript pc_immortal and the attribute glitch. LMAO

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Ekyri wrote...

Killyox the Defender wrote...

jbann311 wrote...

Get shale to tank this Dragon. Have him equip a nice defensive fire crystal and it's a cake walk.

I did this my last game on Hard mode with Allister, Shale , Lelianna and my PC as a blood mage/spirit healer. All my mage did was heal, you don't need cone of cold or any of that force field cheapness.

HER, shale is a FEMALE,

SHALE = FEMALE = GIRL=CHICK=BABE

why do people keep thinking its a guy

Probably because not everyone has done Shale's quest.

And because technically, ''she'' is still an IT while in golem form, not matter what it's gender was at one point.

Yes, the voice is done by a woman, but no, the golem has no woman parts, and a very MANLY chest, and is incapable of reproduction, so no, IT'S NOT REALLY A FEMALE.

It's a ''thing''. Besides, it also refers to everything else in the universe as an it, so why shouldn't we in return?

[Vicious]

I have more trouble with gangs of Bandits than with a Dragon, mostly because at high level all those bandits are dual wielding rogues with access to Whirlwind and Punisher and Backstab and there's 13 of them to my 4 characters, as well as having 4 archers in the back behind a barricade.



That's one way the game's difficulty really gets ridiculous.



Dragons are easy in comparison. Have one person tank and everybody else on Range/Support out of range of his attacks. I murdered the High Dragon my first time with Morrigan nuking, Wynne healing, and Shale switching back and forth between Rock-throwing Mode and Support mode.



And yes, poultices might be immersion breaking to some, but guess what - they are there to be used and the game is balanced with their usage in mind.

[Mork_ba]

I don't konw if you enjoy killing dragons at level 2, but that's kinda not possible. Get a few more levels and try again. I did all bosses on nightmare on first try appart from Flemeth and Gaxkang whom I visited at lvl 9 or so and kicked my arse after a few tries each I left and came back at lvl 16 and killed them easily.



Play the way you like, but make use of your heroes' skills and abilities...

[IronVanguard]

Eh. Generally just need a bit of micromanagement. Of course, only played on normal, but.
Some take 2-3 tries, but Flemmeth isn't hard. The High Dragon is a bit of trouble, but you just have to push through.

And no, I didn't research the best ones constantly and no, I don't kite.

And I agree, those gangs of bandits are terribly harder for some reason....

Modifié par IronVanguard, 24 novembre 2009 - 12:06 .

[Nighteye2]

Simulacrum wrote...
All you guys do is kite the thing, don't you?

No, it's much easier than that. Have 1 warrior attacking the dragon up close, with the rest using ranged weapons from a safe distance out of reach of the dragons' breath. That way you can focus healing on a single character. When the dragon moves, move your characters as well so the ranged attackers stay at a safe distance with the warrior up close. Basic tanking strategy, really.

[cpz01]

its the archers, on hard / nightmare they focus fire and sometimes even chain stun you it seams that sometimes the ai on DA is crazy impressive while other times you find yourself pondering why one of your party members is standing in the middle of an blizzard and not attacking anyone while a group of  10 wolfs are jumping on your healer.

IronVanguard wrote...

Eh. Generally just need a bit of micromanagement. Of course, only played on normal, but.
Some take 2-3 tries, but Flemmeth isn't hard. The High Dragon is a bit of trouble, but you just have to push through.

And no, I didn't research the best ones constantly and no, I don't kite.

And I agree, those gangs of bandits are terribly harder for some reason....

[magickingdom]

I am having trouble even on easy mode. This is my first BioWare. game. I am a casual player. I have only played one other off line rpg, Dungeon Seige, which I enjoyed a great deal. I have my mage, and the first 3 characters you get as you play along. All went well till about level 11 or 12. Now, I can't beat anything. I don't know of a place I could go to level up or add skills. All my toons are at level 11. I suppose I have to make new characters and start again. To me, that is so dreadful boring. 
  I do love the story line.  But at this time, I am stumped on how to proceed.
    I almost did not post due to the rude and arrogant posts of a few of the other players, not sure if they actually play the game or just troll the boards and flame those of us having a bit of hard go at it. I did not buy an adventure game to spend my time trolling boards. I hate boards. I paid good money for entertainment.
Thank you to those who can may make constructive and helpful suggestions

[HoLyEmperor]

magickingdom wrote...

I am having trouble even on easy mode. This is my first BioWare. game. I am a casual player. I have only played one other off line rpg, Dungeon Seige, which I enjoyed a great deal. I have my mage, and the first 3 characters you get as you play along. All went well till about level 11 or 12. Now, I can't beat anything. I don't know of a place I could go to level up or add skills. All my toons are at level 11. I suppose I have to make new characters and start again. To me, that is so dreadful boring. 
  I do love the story line.  But at this time, I am stumped on how to proceed.
    I almost did not post due to the rude and arrogant posts of a few of the other players, not sure if they actually play the game or just troll the boards and flame those of us having a bit of hard go at it. I did not buy an adventure game to spend my time trolling boards. I hate boards. I paid good money for entertainment.
Thank you to those who can may make constructive and helpful suggestions

Posts like this ("the game is hard even on Easy") are not very helpful unless you tell us where you're running into trouble.  How are you dying?  What's killing you?  

[magickingdom]

Groups of bandits, like in Denerium for the bandit quests. Also the undead in the Breilian forest. I have Alistar, Leliana, and Morrigan plus my mage. I did not have much trouble with the wolf packs so far. When I get dumped int he middle of a group, such as the undead in Brecilian forest, I die quickly it seems., Alistar, being the first to die usually.