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[BloodyTalon]

Ok gonna do my best to give full feed back after playing the dlc

The sheath part of the dlc was good, would be something I would like to see expanded on in the future it does work well to break up the combat and roleplaying parts of the game.

The banter was good to see again especially between two of the female chars not going to name who but was fun.

The story for the dlc was nice if a bit short.

And that final boss fight was just cool

My only complaint has noted above was felt a bit short, and to add one note the sheath system did feel like it could use some tweaking but was very nice.

Probbly will think of more feedback in the future, but there you have it and thanks for the dlc.

Sorry about any errors or typos

[naledgeborn]

Sylvianus wrote...


Also, something I should mention, which I highly enjoyed it. This is when we are in prison with Tallis and we are talking about Qunari. I found the rude comparison of views, (at least the possibility) absolutely fantastic. More political discussions as lively, as vibrant as that.

I was very happy to denounce the views of Tallis on her beliefs, her thoughts on the model of society of Qunari. etc. She answered, me too, and so on.

Tallis was quite convincing and I understand a little better the perspective of Qunari. Now I don't want  to kill them, but to convince them XD.

Of course there are already talks like that in previous game, but in general it is not as developed. We give our response once or twice and we're done. That was really present and developed.

Yes It gave the Qunari some "humanity". They're my favorite culture next to the Arlathan elves, but my Hawke is very much anti-Qunari because he's a mage. She did however convince "him" to help her. Felicia Day did a great job in the VA department. 

I am however mildly disappointed that Hawke couldn't argue with Tallis from the view point of a mage instead of an Andrastian.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 12 octobre 2011 - 08:44 .

[Raikas]

I enjoyed it quite a bit more than I expected.  I loved that there was such a good balance to the different gameplay elements  (stealth, dialogue, puzzles) and thought the banter and dialogue options were top notch (the non-rescue scene with Anders and Carver was perfect).  Also loved that there was so much lore added. I liked the castle design and was amused by the cameos and the outside references as well.  I appreciated seeing the new ability tree, although I'm not sure how well it actually worked.

That said, I felt like the voice acting for Tallis was mis-matched to virtually every other character's style which made her irritating to listen to.  Also this:

nikkylee wrote...

 Never mind that the whole "female, Qunari, but also a fighter" kind of annoyed me. Why is she the exception to the rule, if not just because she's super special Tallis? Sten grows to respect the Warden yes, but he's still pretty lost at the start of Origins. The Arishok basically says, "I'm not fighting a woman." when Fenris first suggests a duel. 

Given everything else we've seen about the strictness of Qunari roles this was weirdly jarring.   At the very least there ought to have been a throw-away line about it - and the fact that you can discuss Qunari roles with her without the gender part coming up (or that a mage Hawke can't mention the leashing) made me wonder why they even bothered adding that element to her character instead of giving her some other motivation for getting involved.

Modifié par Hervoyl, 12 octobre 2011 - 08:52 .

[Uccio]

Despite my previous comment I bought this dlc, 5euros and some, not that big investment. Now, the dlc itself.

- It was ok, some new graphics (still bad overall, nothing to compare to Origins)
- party banter, minor.
- plot: to display actor called Felicia day in a ripoff from "Kasumi - stolen memory".
- party interaction, none.
- LI interaction, none.
- general interaction, some.
- ability to affect to story, none.
- puzzles, do not generally care about them, but workable.

Still a improvement from Legacy though if this is what DA3 would be I would not buy it. Still has tons of issues to work on.

[Complistic]

I really didn't like tallis. Her VA was so bland.

[David Gaider]

nikkylee wrote...
Never mind that the whole "female, Qunari, but also a fighter" kind of annoyed me. Why is she the exception to the rule, if not just because she's super special Tallis? Sten grows to respect the Warden yes, but he's still pretty lost at the start of Origins. The Arishok basically says, "I'm not fighting a woman." when Fenris first suggests a duel. 

There seems to be an assumption here that female Qunari are incapable of fighting.

They do not become part of the warriors that serve under the Arishok, the purpose for whom is to do battle. A Ben'Hassreth is not a warrior. Doing battle is not their purpose. Their purpose is as watchdogs, spies and enforcers... and when it comes to the part about spies, the Qunari are not above recognizing that other races serve far better in certain roles when it comes to operating in foreign lands. They do not waste resources, but instead put the person best suited to their role in the correct place.

Had I realized people had made this particular leap, I might have added a "I thought Qunari women didn't fight?" question to Hawke (even though Tallis mentions she didn't begin her life as Qunari). I guess I assumed that people would see this as something new we've revealed about the Ben-Hassreth, which we haven't discussed much previously, rather than jumping to the conclusion that this is a contradiction. But there you go.

[Wulfram]

"Women are priests.  Or merchants.  Or artisans.  Or farmers.  None of those have any place fighting."

Seems like a contradiction to me.  Particularly considering Sten wasn't talking to a soldier, but to Leliana the spy.

Modifié par Wulfram, 12 octobre 2011 - 09:18 .

[thats1evildude]

Wulfram wrote...

"Women are priests.  Or merchants.  Or artisans.  Or farmers.  None of those have any place fighting."

Seems like a contradiction to me.  Particularly considering Sten wasn't talking to a soldier, but to Leliana the spy.

He also comments in Redcliffe that, if a qunari village were threatened, everyone would fight to defend it. Women and children included.

I just figure the Qunari recognize the usefulness of a skilled elven assassin, even if she is a woman. The qunari are all about the best utilization of resources.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 12 octobre 2011 - 09:25 .

[Complistic]

Wulfram wrote...

"Women are priests.  Or merchants.  Or artisans.  Or farmers.  None of those have any place fighting."

Seems like a contradiction to me.  Particularly considering Sten wasn't talking to a soldier, but to Leliana the spy.

hush, there's a growing women's rights movement among the qunari. Or something.

[Melca36]

Ukki wrote...

Despite my previous comment I bought this dlc, 5euros and some, not that big investment. Now, the dlc itself.

- It was ok, some new graphics (still bad overall, nothing to compare to Origins)
- party banter, minor.
- plot: to display actor called Felicia day in a ripoff from "Kasumi - stolen memory".
- party interaction, none.
- LI interaction, none.
- general interaction, some.
- ability to affect to story, none.
- puzzles, do not generally care about them, but workable.

Still a improvement from Legacy though if this is what DA3 would be I would not buy it. Still has tons of issues to work on.

What DLC were you playing?    All my Hawke's had LI interaction.

[Melca36]

David Gaider wrote...

nikkylee wrote...
Never mind that the whole "female, Qunari, but also a fighter" kind of annoyed me. Why is she the exception to the rule, if not just because she's super special Tallis? Sten grows to respect the Warden yes, but he's still pretty lost at the start of Origins. The Arishok basically says, "I'm not fighting a woman." when Fenris first suggests a duel. 

There seems to be an assumption here that female Qunari are incapable of fighting.

They do not become part of the warriors that serve under the Arishok, the purpose for whom is to do battle. A Ben'Hassreth is not a warrior. Doing battle is not their purpose. Their purpose is as watchdogs, spies and enforcers... and when it comes to the part about spies, the Qunari are not above recognizing that other races serve far better in certain roles when it comes to operating in foreign lands. They do not waste resources, but instead put the person best suited to their role in the correct place.

Had I realized people had made this particular leap, I might have added a "I thought Qunari women didn't fight?" question to Hawke (even though Tallis mentions she didn't begin her life as Qunari). I guess I assumed that people would see this as something new we've revealed about the Ben-Hassreth, which we haven't discussed much previously, rather than jumping to the conclusion that this is a contradiction. But there you go.

I watched Redemption and perhaps I got the wrong impression but it made me assume Tallis is not her name but a rank...the way Sten is.  

Was I right? Or Wrong?

[TEWR]

David Gaider wrote...

nikkylee wrote...
Never mind that the whole "female, Qunari, but also a fighter" kind of annoyed me. Why is she the exception to the rule, if not just because she's super special Tallis? Sten grows to respect the Warden yes, but he's still pretty lost at the start of Origins. The Arishok basically says, "I'm not fighting a woman." when Fenris first suggests a duel. 

There seems to be an assumption here that female Qunari are incapable of fighting.

They do not become part of the warriors that serve under the Arishok, the purpose for whom is to do battle. A Ben'Hassreth is not a warrior. Doing battle is not their purpose. Their purpose is as watchdogs, spies and enforcers... and when it comes to the part about spies, the Qunari are not above recognizing that other races serve far better in certain roles when it comes to operating in foreign lands. They do not waste resources, but instead put the person best suited to their role in the correct place.

Had I realized people had made this particular leap, I might have added a "I thought Qunari women didn't fight?" question to Hawke (even though Tallis mentions she didn't begin her life as Qunari). I guess I assumed that people would see this as something new we've revealed about the Ben-Hassreth, which we haven't discussed much previously, rather than jumping to the conclusion that this is a contradiction. But there you go.

It's primarily the Sten dialogue that gets people thinking it's a contradiction, but I remember this is something you talked about long ago where you said the Ben-Hassrath do have women in their group and I think you said they fight differently.

When I first heard that Tallis was Ben-Hassrath in the DLC, I figured that the Qunari did in fact define "fight" and "do battle" differently and very oddly. Like they apply fighting only to their soldiers, but when Ben-Hassrath fight they don't see it as wartime fighting, so the Ben-Hassrath doesn't become a male in the eyes of the Qunari if she's a female.

or something like that.

Wulfram wrote...

"Women are priests.  Or merchants.  Or artisans.  Or farmers.  None of those have any place fighting."

Seems like a contradiction to me.  Particularly considering Sten wasn't talking to a soldier, but to Leliana the spy.

He also says that to Wynne. and says something similar to Morrigan. I also think he says it or something similar to the Female Warden

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 12 octobre 2011 - 09:31 .

[tmp7704]

thats1evildude wrote...

I just figure the Qunari recognize the usefulness of a skilled elven assassin, even if she is a woman. The qunari are all about the best utilization of resources.

Perhaps it just feels odd they'd do that when at the same time they seem to be of belief that it's men who are suited for combat-oriented roles. I.e. not really such thing as "skilled assassin even if she's a woman" because the very fact she's a woman determines in their eyes she's going to be inferior to a man for this role, and much more suited for different range of tasks.

[Mr.House]

Wulfram wrote...

"Women are priests.  Or merchants.  Or artisans.  Or farmers.  None of those have any place fighting."

Seems like a contradiction to me.  Particularly considering Sten wasn't talking to a soldier, but to Leliana the spy.

Does Sten know her whole past? No. It's not a contradiction.

[Sylvianus]

[quote]Melca36 wrote...
I watched Redemption and perhaps I got the wrong impression but it made me assume Tallis is not her name but a rank...the way Sten is.  

Was I right? Or Wrong? [/quote]
[/quote]
[quote]Mary Kirby wrote...
1. It's not her name. What "Tallis" means is covered in the web series. [/quote]
You're right. Not her name.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 12 octobre 2011 - 09:36 .

[thats1evildude]

Melca36 wrote...

I watched Redemption and perhaps I got the wrong impression but it made me assume Tallis is not her name but a rank...the way Sten is.  

Was I right? Or Wrong?

Yes, Tallis is a rank. It literally means 'Assassin'.

tmp7704 wrote...

Perhaps it just feels odd they'd do that when at the same time they seem to be of belief that it's men who are
suited for combat-oriented roles. I.e. not really such thing as "skilled assassin even if she's a woman" because the very fact she's a woman determines in their eyes she's going to be inferior to a man for this role, and much more suited for different range of tasks.

She's also an elf and not a Kossith, and as such is better at blending in and moving freely through the lands of the bas.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 12 octobre 2011 - 09:33 .

[Mr.House]

Also Tallis has to report to *drumroll* The Ariqun. Not the Arishok.

[Leoroc]

I still don't feel like I have made any decisions in da2 that have a major impact (unlike when I helped the werewolves or burned amaranthine)

[Master Shiori]

tmp7704 wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

I just figure the Qunari recognize the usefulness of a skilled elven assassin, even if she is a woman. The qunari are all about the best utilization of resources.

Perhaps it just feels odd they'd do that when at the same time they seem to be of belief that it's men who are suited for combat-oriented roles. I.e. not really such thing as "skilled assassin even if she's a woman" because the very fact she's a woman determines in their eyes she's going to be inferior to a man for this role, and much more suited for different range of tasks.

I always took that as meaning that only men are suitable to serve on the front lines, while women can still serve in other roles that aren't related to warfare. So spies and assassins should be open to everyone, regardless of gender.

[Sylvianus]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

"Women are priests.  Or merchants.  Or artisans.  Or farmers.  None of those have any place fighting."

Seems like a contradiction to me.  Particularly considering Sten wasn't talking to a soldier, but to Leliana the spy.

He also says that to Wynne. and says something similar to Morrigan. I also think he says it or something similar to the Female Warden

Yes he said that to my female warden.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 12 octobre 2011 - 09:37 .

[TEWR]

question: Do male Ben-Hassrath and female Ben-Hassrath have different methods of "fighting", as it were? Like would a male resort to outright attacking someone for their goal or intimidating them, while a female would use persuasion, cunning, stealth, and rogue-like arts for their goal?

I'm actually surprised that the Ben-Hassrath -- who from Sten's own words at the time sounded pretty violent by nature (though I know that's only how they sounded, not how they actually act) -- have a name that translates to something.... serene and beautiful even.

[tmp7704]

thats1evildude wrote...

She's also an elf and not a Kossith, and as such is better at blending in and moving freely through the lands of the bas.

Yes, but i'm fairly sure the kossith have also male elves amongst the qunari. So logically, you'd expect these males to be utilized as assassins etc, while Felicia Day's character would be assigned a task more suitable for a female.

[TEWR]

Sylvianus wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

"Women are priests.  Or merchants.  Or artisans.  Or farmers.  None of those have any place fighting."

Seems like a contradiction to me.  Particularly considering Sten wasn't talking to a soldier, but to Leliana the spy.

He also says that to Wynne. and says something similar to Morrigan. I also think he says it or something similar to the Female Warden

Yes he said that to my female warden.

cool. But he didn't know Leliana's past -- as Mr. House said -- so it's not a contradiction.

For Wynne and Morrigan, he addresses their mageness and their womanhood in different conversations, and for the Warden he probably assumed they were trying to be a soldier and not a Ben-Hassrath-esque figure.

So, yea... no contradictions.

[tmp7704]

Master Shiori wrote...

I always took that as meaning that only men are suitable to serve on the front lines, while women can still serve in other roles that aren't related to warfare. So spies and assassins should be open to everyone, regardless of gender.

Assassination specifically feels like very warfare-related position to me. Given it focuses primarily on killing people.

Spying, i could see. Spies can (and perhaps should) operate with very limited first-hand exposition to combat. But not assassination, especially not when it's as explicit as making it one's rank.

[Mr.House]

tmp7704 wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

She's also an elf and not a Kossith, and as such is better at blending in and moving freely through the lands of the bas.

Yes, but i'm fairly sure the kossith have also male elves amongst the qunari. So logically, you'd expect these males to be utilized as assassins etc, while Felicia Day's character would be assigned a task more suitable for a female.

This would be true, if the Ben-Hassrath was watched by the Arisahok, but it's not. Ariqun oversees it.