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[Protolaxys]

It keeps giving me an error when I try to install, then tells me to go to an nsif website. WTF?

[Zjarcal]

Brockololly wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...
Let me save you the wait, you would hate it just like everything else DA2 related that you already hate. 

Well, I thought Legacy was an improvement (albeit only slightly) over DA2. I suppose the kind of changes I'd like to see for DA are too much for any DLC to address.

Indeed, you won't really see an overhaul in a DLC, but the introduction of a stealth mechanic and the lesser focus on combat during the whole DLC is a sign of them wanting to address one of the bigger issues of DA2, how it was too combat focused.

At any rate, I don't think anyone will change their minds about DA2 or the direction the franchise is taking from one or two DLCs. Especially those who had issues with the writing, as I feel they will probably also have issues with it in here (not me mind you).

[Protolaxys]

BTW, I'm currently downloading the install file for the 4th time.

[Merci357]

Brockololly wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Mhhh. Maybe someone who thought DA2 was very disappointing but liked Legacy ? I think I'll wait to see more opinions from people I feel closer to me.

Yeah, its hard to judge too much of the reactions from most of the people here on the DLC considering many of those people enjoyed DA2 anyway. Seeing as the most likely people to buy DLC for a 7 month old  game are those people that greatly enjoyed the base game anyway.

In my view MotA (and Legacy) are better then the main game, and hands down the best DLC BioWare has done, if only for the fact the whole cast recorded plenty of new lines. New models/enemies and areas were a given for the ME2 DLC as well, but there the companions were neglected.

But what do you expect? Obviously I don't purchase anything I doubt I'd enjoy in the end. Why would I?

If I try to be objective, all I can say is MotA has a level of polish the original game was severely lacking. But if you don't like, say, a voiced character - that even talks often without player input in banter - well, you won't like it here as well.
But I'm happy with the story focus this DLC offers, there are fights, but that's not the focus here. There are puzzles, which I like. The "stealthy" part is just a gimmick, it's very easy and short, but hey, it's a change of pace for once.

But in short, sure, it's still DA2 - as such no way around the companions and their "iconic" look, I'd love to choose proper equipment for them, but I can't. There is still wave combat, but at least it uses the terrain better. And I'm still not that fond of the art style, of the flashy animations. It's just that I don't let that get into my way - there is plenty of (sometimes hilarious) dialogue and banter, there is some new lore, plenty of new areas, a few fights that are everything but hack'n'slash. Enough to like this DLC, but of course, I enjoyed DA2 somewhat to begin with - since for me a voiced protagonist alone was an improvement. (That's despite all flaws, despite some dubious design decisions, despite it's rushed development.) So I gave Legacy a shot back then. Legacy was a step up, and so is MotA.

If there is one particular thing that DA2 did quite bad, and hasn't been improved since in either DLC, it's choices and consequences. The end is the same in MotA, no matter what I do - I'd love to have a say here. I'd love if I'd not only play a terific DLC, but could shape the outcome, at least somewhat. And if I could see the consequences of my actions, that would be even better.

For the record, it took me close to 4 hours.

Modifié par Merci357, 11 octobre 2011 - 11:00 .

[Protolaxys]

Also, agreed on Legacy. It was the best DLC put out so far by Bioware. Fun, informative, and terrific voice acting. And the gameplay was DIFF-I-CULT. So win all around.

Which is why I want MotA. :-( Is anyone else having my issue?

[The dead fish]

Zjarcal wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...
Let me save you the wait, you would hate it just like everything else DA2 related that you already hate. 

Well, I thought Legacy was an improvement (albeit only slightly) over DA2. I suppose the kind of changes I'd like to see for DA are too much for any DLC to address.

Indeed, you won't really see an overhaul in a DLC, but the introduction of a stealth mechanic and the lesser focus on combat during the whole DLC is a sign of them wanting to address one of the bigger issues of DA2, how it was too combat focused.

At any rate, I don't think anyone will change their minds about DA2 or the direction the franchise is taking from one or two DLCs. Especially those who had issues with the writing, as I feel they will probably also have issues with it in here (not me mind you).

There are people who have no patience with DA2 and do not try to find satisfaction with all the dlc.  They are done with it. And there are those who have been disappointed by DA2, who found that the main game was Mediocre, but were excited about Legacy. And  many people have praised the work in Legacy, so I don't see why it couldn't be the case again.

These are the people that I want to hear. Obviously, if someone thinks that DA2 was awesome, I'm not really interested in what he is saying.

But if anyone was disappointed with DA2, but loved Legacy, yes, if I see positive things coming from him, I will be more reassured. That's not really surprising, really.

for now I did not see anyone and wait. And if necessary, I'll wait forever, it's not like if I was impatient.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 11 octobre 2011 - 10:57 .

[Protolaxys]

Failed again, the official error message reads:

"Installer integrity check has failed. Common causes include incomplete download and damaged media. Contact the installer's author to obtain a new copy.

More information at:
http://nsis.sf.net/NSIS_Error

[The dead fish]

Merci357 wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Mhhh. Maybe someone who thought DA2 was very disappointing but liked Legacy ? I think I'll wait to see more opinions from people I feel closer to me.

Yeah, its hard to judge too much of the reactions from most of the people here on the DLC considering many of those people enjoyed DA2 anyway. Seeing as the most likely people to buy DLC for a 7 month old  game are those people that greatly enjoyed the base game anyway.

If I try to be objective, all I can say is MotA has a level of polish the original game was severely lacking. But if you don't like, say, a voiced character - that even talks often without player input in banter - well, you won't like it here as well.
But I'm happy with the story focus this DLC offers, there are fights, but that's not the focus here. There are puzzles, which I like. The "stealthy" part is just a gimmick, it's very easy and short, but hey, it's a change of pace for once.

But in short, sure, it's still DA2 - as such no way around the companions and their "iconic" look, I'd love to choose proper equipment for them, but I can't. There is still wave combat, but at least it uses the terrain better. And I'm still not that fond of the art style, of the flashy animations. It's just that I don't let that get into my way - there is plenty of (sometimes hilarious) dialogue and banter, there is some new lore, plenty of new areas, a few fights that are everything but hack'n'slash. Enough to like this DLC, but of course, I enjoyed DA2 somewhat to begin with - since for me a voiced protagonist alone was an improvement. (That's despite all flaws, despite some dubious design decisions, despite it's rushed development.) So I gave Legacy a shot back then. Legacy was a step up, and so is MotA.

If there is one particular thing that DA2 did quite bad, and hasn't been improved since in either DLC, it's choices and consequences. The end is the same in MotA, no matter what I do - I'd love to have a say here. I'd love if I'd not only play a terific DLC, but could shape the outcome, at least somewhat. And if I could see the consequences of my actions, that would be even better.

For the record, it took me close to 4 hours.

, thanks for your thoughts.

[UltiPup]

I just love the name Leopold for a wyvern. It is so stuffy for a terrifying beast. Especially with the Duke's accent. Speaking of accents, Snarky Hawke's Orlesian accent? I nearly DIED laughing.

I feel like I missed all the LI dialogue. All I remember is Fenris asking if I was hurt after the cage scene and Aveline going "How does hawke put up with you?" during their attempt at a rescue.

[Morroian]

Protolaxys wrote...

Failed again, the official error message reads:

"Installer integrity check has failed. Common causes include incomplete download and damaged media. Contact the installer's author to obtain a new copy.

More information at:
http://nsis.sf.net/NSIS_Error

Have you asked on the technical forum?

[DollarsAtStarNumber]

Protolaxys wrote...

It keeps giving me an error when I try to install, then tells me to go to an nsif website. WTF?

Go to the Tech Support Forums, you're more likely to get help there.

[Brother Juniper]

Did Bioware take advantage of this wonderful opportunity to correct the sunder bug with this new DLC?

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Two playthroughs so far!  First a full playthrough Primal/Elemental mage and then a rogue archer run with cheats.


Story and setting:

Andraste sounds so much cooler in Orlesian.

A taste of Orlais is not enough!  Orlesian colors = pure win.  Very distinct from Fereldan's reserved clothes and darker colors.  If Orlesian fashion is crime, somebody lock me up.  The entire courtyard scene was pure win.  It was really cool to play in that side of the character's life.  More of these would be more entertaining!  Design, colors, characters, conversations.  All win.

Mage pants + formal suit = do I have to start a new group?

Outside was great.  Found myself using click-to-move like it was 1990, then just swinging the camera around to look at the world.

The Avvar were correct.  It is disrespectful and wrong to be right handed.



Mechanics and game play:

Holy crap, I lost to the Sky Cult... TWICE, but it was never too frustrating to replay or too frustrating to be fun as heck.

Items in world continue to be >>> items in boxes.  Items in the forest are bizzare.

Don't **** with cheese.  It will kill you.

There were more cutscenese blended into the combat and and exploration.  This is win.  It knits everything into one story and I very much liked that.

Stealth is great.  The view radius of the guards seems kind of small, but maybe that's just me.  The game play is fun though.  It really shows off the engine too.  Nothing make you stare like having to watch for guards.  It adds another layer to the game, rather than RARH ME SMAHS! every single time.

Less loot means there can be running fights!  Like the path up the summit at the end.  Or at least fights that carry from room to room or clearing to clearing... rather than set piece room-clear/move/room-clear/move stuff.

Great final fight.  Very enjoyable, very cinematic.  I should have been allowed to take that scroll though...  My qunari hater would literally have killed for it.  Animations were great in the final battle and in the overall game.  Very good stuff.

Tallis was fun!  As far as Felicia Day goes, I've never been "zomg sehs teh Bast!" but I can say she may indeed have a cat's head.  She did a great job in this.  I'm actually going to check out the webshow thing.

I'm not a big puzzle fan... but these puzzles were fun without being pace killingly hard.  The portrait was the hardest, but I solved it eventually!

The cameos were great.  I feel bad for Seneschal Bran.  I was hoping he at least had a sweet looking wife!

The fountain thing was great.  I liked how that tied some backstory into the game without having to use a codex entry.  Well done there.  The use of portraits was another great way of presenting flavor text.  Now eliminate junk look all together and pop the flavor into the world like you did here and I'll be happy.

Ghasts were totally unexpected.  It was cool to see something that wasn't expected.  Nice job there.  Plus they were nice mix of swarm/head to head that was fun.

There seemed to be more view points than usual.  That's a good thing.  I very much like how those were presented.  However, I do tend to play with my thumb on Tab... so I wonder if others don't see all of them?

Snotlings and Harlequins...  Made me pine for a Eldar PnP I made up/played ten million years ago.




So when do we get new on the next DLC?   :P:P

And where's my Xpack?  :kissing:

Modifié par RinpocheSchnozberry, 11 octobre 2011 - 11:12 .

[naledgeborn]

Like that I felt like I was RPing a Fereldan again. It was fun schooling a bunch of Orlesian pansies whilst reminding them that Hawke is a dog lord. "I've been waiting for this ORLESIAN." The Chasind dude Cahir was cool too. I guess cause Chasind people reminds me of Morrigan and Lothering. Aggressive Hawke felt more organic than in Legacy so that was good. Didn't feel like I was playing the wrong personality this time. Isabela is a force of nature, like the sea. So that's good. One of the humorous options (to the guard I think) had me in tears. Cometesse Dulci was funny too, I wish Varric was there though.

I missed the dark grittiness of the Deep Roads/Taint/Darkspawn/Old Gods. But that was the point, it was an Orlesian party.

I'm upset that Tallis just leaves like kthnksbye! I felt like Hawke has been played yet again.

I do want some further clarification on Mages and the Qun. Some of the lore just doesn't add up. Arrvaraad sicks the karataam on Hawke's ass like white on rice. But Talis is all "Tee hee! You're Basilit-an!" I thought mages and magic are supposed to be reviled. I wish Hawke could have brought it up when she spilled the beans.

Overall it was fun. Legacy is more my type of thing but that's me being me.

[Protolaxys]

Morroian wrote...

Protolaxys wrote...

Failed again, the official error message reads:

"Installer integrity check has failed. Common causes include incomplete download and damaged media. Contact the installer's author to obtain a new copy.

More information at:
http://nsis.sf.net/NSIS_Error

Have you asked on the technical forum?

You know, one would hope I was smart enough to check for a tech support forum, but evidently not.  Thanks and sorry for cluttering up this forum.

[PinkDiamondstl]

Has anyone seen any good sebastian banters?

[Arivle]

Kudos for the best DA/ME DLC so far (yes, even better than Shadow Broker). Well spent 800 BW points, recomended to anyone. What surprised me most was that I even liked how Tallis is acted by FD (except that she's _almost_ prettier than my witch :-D). Puzzles and the ending non-linearity was great too. Make DA3 like this and people won't complain. :-) Once again, GJ on this one BW!

Modifié par Arivle, 11 octobre 2011 - 11:18 .

[FASherman]

Well done, albeit far too short.

Some interesting new gameplay mechanics. More terrain, which was nice. New creatures, although one looks like a ripoff of Fable Hobbes. That was okay.

I shouldn't give it higher than a C+, but I will. B- only because even though it was short, it felt as though it was the opening chapter in the next part of the story. Even better because it didn't mention the Warden or Morrigan (let it go, finally!).

[Siduri]

Reactions as I play: throughout the hunt, I'm thinking, "oh, this is fun, loving the banter, nice side-quests" -- and then, I slay the wyvern, and suddenly:

WAIT. What, what? WHAT AM I WEARING.

How come Tallis gets a nice form-fitting dress, and I'm stuck in...a blocky vest and pantaloons? REALLY?

Seriously, if the draw of the DLC involves going to a fancy party in fancy clothes, then the devs should make sure the PC has nicer clothes than the NPC. I mean, COME ON. You could've adapted the mage robes into something halfway decent. This is really terrible.

I was really liking it up to that point, and maybe I'll be won back, but my character's outfit is like -- well, it's like "meeting Alistair in DA2" levels of awful.

[blaidfiste]

Gigasfist2000 wrote...

Beat it on Normal Difficulty with a party of Warrior Male Hawke (Sword/Shield Tank with Templar Skills), Isabella, Tallis and Anders. Completed it in Act 2 around level 16. Took me around 3 Hours to complete

For some reason I was under the impression Tallis was going to have access to both Dual Wield and Archery, it might of been me misreading something, but none the less I was stuck with a 3 Melee 1 Ranged team which became a little difficult with some fights.

While the story was a little simple it was very engaging, I was laughing my head off at some of the sarcastic responses (especially the bee sting) the party dialogue was humourous, and the cameos at the party were nice.

The Stealth Gameplay was pretty fun, reminded me of Metal Gear Solid and I was half-expecting a Card Board Box joke somewhere.

Combat was amazing and I really hope to see more of these kinds of fights in future DLC and games. The final boss was lots of fun (Though I had some slowdown with the final bosses AOE attacks even playing on minimum settings, something I didn't have in Legacy or the regular game)

Looking forward to see more of Tallis, maybe as a possible party member and romance in DA3.

She will throw daggers when not within melee range.  If you give her abilities evade, back-to-back and stealth with decent tactics, she won't have much problems.  Awesome rogue!

[Siduri]

Okay, after playing a few minutes more: Tallis isn't wearing a dress, she's wearing a super-cute off-shoulder tunic and pants. Meanwhile my vest/pantaloons combo just looks worse from every angle.

Devs, I submit to you: when the player is looking at the screen wishing she was piloting the dashing NPC instead of her own blocky, ugly character -- YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG. This is awful. It's like I'm an intentionally-lame NPC in somebody else's Mary Sue fanfic.

Is it too much to ask that more attention should be spent on the PC's outfit than the NPC's? Really? Because I didn't spend ten dollars to be a wallflower character in Felicia Day's fantasy escape.

[thats1evildude]

The vest/pantaloons combo looks pretty dashing on my M/Hawke.

But if you need to vent your rage at someone, aim it at John Epler.

JohnEpler wrote...

I'll take full responsibility for femHawke not having a skirt or a dress. The problem with that sort of clothing is that it requires a rather different set of animations to look A) good and not too Basic Instinct'ish. Given the animation budget we had for the DLC, I requested that we just give her the same sort of clothes as Male Hawke to sidestep that problem, as I felt the time would be better spent elsewhere. It's a fair point, though, and as with all things there were definite sacrifices made as a result of the decision.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 11 octobre 2011 - 11:35 .

[naledgeborn]

Siduri wrote...

Okay, after playing a few minutes more: Tallis isn't wearing a dress, she's wearing a super-cute off-shoulder tunic and pants. Meanwhile my vest/pantaloons combo just looks worse from every angle.

Devs, I submit to you: when the player is looking at the screen wishing she was piloting the dashing NPC instead of her own blocky, ugly character -- YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG. This is awful. It's like I'm an intentionally-lame NPC in somebody else's Mary Sue fanfic.

Is it too much to ask that more attention should be spent on the PC's outfit than the NPC's? Really? Because I didn't spend ten dollars to be a wallflower character in Felicia Day's fantasy escape.

A 3-5 hour DLC and you're complaining about clothes? This is definitley an Orlesian DLC.

thats1evildude wrote...

The vest/pantaloons combo looks pretty dashing on my M!Hawke.

Also. This.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 11 octobre 2011 - 11:33 .

[Siduri]

I can't even get it off! I'm wearing this hideous purple-and-periwinkle coverall, and I'm STUCK with it. I can glance over at Tallis and her cute off-shoulder little ensemble, but apparently my Hawke LIKES looking like a circus clown at high-class functions. Great.

Seriously, was it too much to expect that Fem!Hawke might get a nice dress? You couldn't spend AT LEAST the same amount of time on her that you spent on the NPC's fashion?

This is such a "screw you" to female players. It honestly makes me angry.