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[Merci357]

Hathur wrote...

Experienced somethin sort of related to this last week at work while visiting the break room... A couple of the guys where I work were huddled around their Xbox360 playing some Co-op Gears of War 3. Figured I'd watch them play a bit since I'm just a pc gamer and I was curious about the game.

Anyhow, they were playing sometype of co-op and one of the players could (or had to? not sure) play as a female character in the game.... they literally start arguing (at first playfully) about who should / had to play as the 'chick'... they were, for all intents and purposes, arguing who was the less "manly man" to determine who was stuck playing as the female character.

They finally 'decided' Daniel was 'stuck' with the character..... but suddenly throws a tirade right there, says "F-- this, I'm not playing as some girl. Amy can take my spot," then he shoves the controller in my hand and storms out of the room, LOL. 

I declined to play (dont know how to play with a game controller) but I was rather taken aback by his reaction to the idea of having to play as a female character (I still don't even know if it was optional or mandatory to play as a female character)... it seemed to be offending his very "manhood" to suggest he play a female character in the game.

To my point though... do you think this attitude amongst (some) men might have something to do with why Bioware may not give the option to choose gender in multiplayer? 

I have little experience interacting with / observing male gamers unfortunately so I'm not sure how prevalent this notion of playing as a female being undesireable / unwanted. Yet perhaps Bioware believes a lot majority of men don't / won't play a female so it isn't really worthwhile to spend additional time & resources providing more flexible options when it comes to species + gender options.

You are describing the kind of players who wouldn't play, say, the next Tomb Raider, just because you have to play as Lara. And while I think those gamers do exist (evidently), I guess it's just a subsection, otherwise Tomb Raider would have been a huge flop, but this franchise is around since many years.

I guess giving the option to choose either gender is fine, they can play their manly man after all - why should they be offended by a choice? They would be offended if you force a female character on them, I'd guess.

That said, I know this story, only the other way around. Like when playing RE5 co-op. I played this game a few times with different people, but we always had to argue... as you can guess, who is allowed to play as Sheva, and who is stcuk with Chris.

[PsychoWARD23]

Funny, when I played co-op, one of the guys was happy he got Anya. (Probably the girl Dan was playing as)


Which is another reason why more options are always better.

[RenownedRyan]

GMagnum wrote...

yea they are but they're in the kitchen feeding da soldiers who go out and fight

This.

[Hathur]

Merci357 wrote...

You are describing the kind of players who wouldn't play, say, the next Tomb Raider, just because you have to play as Lara. And while I think those gamers do exist (evidently), I guess it's just a subsection, otherwise Tomb Raider would have been a huge flop, but this franchise is around since many years.

I guess giving the option to choose either gender is fine, they can play their manly man after all - why should they be offended by a choice? They would be offended if you force a female character on them, I'd guess.

That said, I know this story, only the other way around. Like when playing RE5 co-op. I played this game a few times with different people, but we always had to argue... as you can guess, who is allowed to play as Sheva, and who is stcuk with Chris.

You make very good points (especially about Lara croft). Perhaps it has something to do with the mood / type of game then? Men obviously like the Tomb Raider series since it sold very well because obviously an adventure game where they can look at a buxom lady is of course appealing to guys.... But Tomb Raider doesn't come across as Macho, it never tries to.. so it's ok for them to accept the game for what it is... and it is single player.. a personal gaming experience away from the judgmental eyes of their fellow men.

But what happens when you start throwing female characters into a Macho multiplayer game? Does that change things for men in the sense it is less appropriate or desireable for them? (I would love to hear input from the men on this, if you don't mind. Honestly curious).

What happens if you start throwing female characters into their CODs multiplayer, their Halo multiplayer or their Mass Effect 3 co-op multiplayer.... is it somehow perceived as not acceptable to play the female character since their fellow men will snicker at them for being the "girl" ?

Although obviously you pointed out RE5 and how the female was preferred to be played over the male... so perhaps not... but is that game seen as a "macho" game in the context that most shooters are? (I don't know, never played it and know only a very little).

Perhaps the incident I witnessed at work was in fact not the way most men feel about the issue, and it was those 2 who were the outliers?

Sorry, I'm awfully inquisitive this evening it seems, hehe. Just trying to better understand / figure out male gamers I guess. 

Modifié par Hathur, 12 octobre 2011 - 01:36 .

[DialupToaster]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

FEMALE TURIANS PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

I can understand not having female salarians or krogans, since they don't usually put them on the front lines, but ALL citizens of the Hierarchy MUST join the army at age 15.

So you know... There have been female warlords in krogan history...
What I care about is customization.
Krogan: head color? green, red, yellow....
Turian: Face paint?
Geth: Head design?
Quarian: Face mask color?
Asari: Skin color and pretty much human char creator (how am I doing?)
Salarians: ???

[111987]

stickskills.com/2011/10/11/mass-effect-3-multiplayer-details-revealed/

• Each class that you select from will allow you to select from a
  variety of races.  Ranging from the likes of a Krogan to a Drell, you’ll
  have a good bit of variety to choose from.  Yes, a drell, the same race
  as Thane from Mass Effect 2 (we’re excited).
• As you can probably figure, each class will allow you to possess
  “specific abilities” as well as the ability to upgrade a few.  Krogan
  soldiers were described as being able to use a charge attack to known
  down enemies, along with Soldiers being able to use the Omni-blade for a
  few rather lethal attacks.  For those wondering, you’ll also be able to
  choose your gender when choosing any class.

[Hathur]

^ Well I guess that settles it 

Female Krogans & Turians, here we come.

Modifié par Hathur, 12 octobre 2011 - 01:42 .

[Mako Zalos]

@111987 Sweet I mean even though I probably won't play as a female in mine that's cool. Good for female players. Also good for people who want to see what females from the other races finally look like.

[DialupToaster]

Hathur wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

United_Strafes wrote...

How sexist! Not including fictional female alien races, they should be ashamed!

Well, considering they're ignoring their own lore because females of the othe races aren't "sexy" in the typical sense...

... Yep.  Sexism.  Perhaps not intentionally, but the "no boobs, no dice" rule gets on my nerves.

Experienced somethin sort of related to this last week at work while visiting the break room... A couple of the guys where I work were huddled around their Xbox360 playing some Co-op Gears of War 3. Figured I'd watch them play a bit since I'm just a pc gamer and I was curious about the game.

Anyhow, they were playing sometype of co-op and one of the players could (or had to? not sure) play as a female character in the game.... they literally start arguing (at first playfully) about who should / had to play as the 'chick'... they were, for all intents and purposes, arguing who was the less "manly man" to determine who was stuck playing as the female character.

They finally decided Daniel was 'stuck' with playing the female character..... but suddenly throws a tirade right there, says "F-- this, I'm not playing as some girl. Amy can take my spot," then he shoves the controller in my hand and storms out of the room, LOL. 

I declined to play (dont know how to play with a game controller) but I was rather taken aback by his reaction to the idea of having to play as a female character (I still don't even know if it was optional or mandatory to play as a female character)... it seemed to be offending his very "manhood" to suggest he play a female character in the game.

To my point though... do you think this attitude amongst (some) men might have something to do with why Bioware may not give the option to choose gender in multiplayer (severely restrict) from a strictly cost / benefit perspective?

I have little experience interacting with / observing male gamers unfortunately so I'm not sure how prevalent this notion of playing as a female being undesireable / unwanted may be amongst them. Yet perhaps Bioware believes a majority of men don't / won't play a female so it isn't really worthwhile to spend additional time & resources providing more flexible options when it comes to species + gender options.

I dunno... just tossing around stuff that's rolling around in my brain over here.

I get stuck as a female character (I'm a male gamer) in games so many times (co op) that I don't even care anymore. I have seen guys joke about it (friendly) but I never saw anyone freak out and leave because of it (unless each char has unique stats and said char has boring gameplay.)

[Saaziel]

Hathur wrote...

But what happens when you start throwing female characters into a Macho multiplayer game? Does that change things for men in the sense it is less appropriate or desireable for them? (I would love to hear input from the men on this, if you don't mind. Honestly curious).

What happens if you start throwing female characters into their CODs multiplayer, their Halo multiplayer or their Mass Effect 3 co-op multiplayer.... is it somehow perceived as not acceptable to play the female character since their fellow men will snicker at them for being the "girl" ?

I don't think the skin of the avatar matters all that much.

If memory serves ,way back when , Unreal had some female characters , and nobody ever made a big deal out of it; Its just an other head to snipe (Must resist urge to post lame jokes!). I know Half life death match had some female skins also. I'm pretty sure others had some as well (But i'm too tired to think of any other).

The real issue is when you get a girl on the mic, then its all over. People aren't paying attention , everyone crowds the chat , they get priority heals (I'm totally guilty of that too ) even though they don't get on the kill charts.

But that's in the Player vs player environment. I'm pretty sure it won't be an issue for the... Galactic war system thing they're going for.

[AdmiralCheez]

Turian. Women.

Guys I am so happy right now.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Hathur wrote...

But what happens when you start throwing female characters into a Macho multiplayer game? Does that change things for men in the sense it is less appropriate or desireable for them? (I would love to hear input from the men on this, if you don't mind. Honestly curious).

Looking at Gears 3, I personally don't find that to be the case:

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 12 octobre 2011 - 01:57 .

[Merci357]

Hathur wrote...

What happens if you start throwing female characters into their CODs multiplayer, their Halo multiplayer or their Mass Effect 3 co-op multiplayer.... is it somehow perceived as not acceptable to play the female character since their fellow men will snicker at them for being the "girl" ?

Although obviously you pointed out RE5 and how the female was preferred to be played over the male... so perhaps not... but is that game seen as a "macho" game in the context that most shooters are? (I don't know, never played it and know only a very little).
 

I dabbled a bit with a few MMO's over the last 10 years... Dark Age of Camelot, Age of Conan, Warhammer Online and Rift. There are many, many female characters played by males. It's of course a different genre, but there is simple nobody snickering about a girl toon.

I've very little experience with shooters - and I play on PC on top of that, a different subsection of gamers i guess. I
honestly don't know. Resident Evil 5 has co-op, and I played it with friends and my brother, and not random internet people. (On that matter, I doubt I'd voluntarily play ME3 MP with random people.) And besides that I played the Dead Space games. DS2 has (awfull) MP, but you play as either male space marine, or necromorph. So, not much to learn about this topic there..

Modifié par Merci357, 12 octobre 2011 - 01:59 .

[Hathur]

Saaziel wrote...
<snip>
The real issue is when you get a girl on the mic, then its all over. People aren't paying attention , everyone crowds the chat , they get priority heals (I'm totally guilty of that too ) even though they don't get on the kill charts.

But that's in the Player vs player environment. I'm pretty sure it won't be an issue for the... Galactic war system thing they're going for.

That's sadly one of the major reasons I had to stop playing any sort of multiplayer at all a few years ago (at least anything that required team work, co-ordination, etc) including raiding in MMOs like WoW (though it was slightly less of a problem in MMOs, but still present).

I haven't touched a multiplayer game in quite a few years just because of what you mentioned above... it was too much of a distraction and made me feel too awkward / uncomfortable.

It actually broaches on something else I was thinking of asking the community to give me advice on, but I won't get into in this thread, probably just bring it up in a different thread another time.

Ah well, learning a lot from people's posts here so far... sadly I'm oblivious to multiplayer practices / nuances or even how the guys perceive games it seems, lol... here I thought it was a common thing for them to fear playing female characters.... though I'll make an excuse for myself that I only based it off how I saw co-workers behave and the fact that Bioware said awhile ago that something like only 20% of Shepards made were femsheps... I just assumed guys were averse to female characters in games, based on that. 

Modifié par Hathur, 12 octobre 2011 - 02:12 .

[Leonia]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Turian. Women.

Guys I am so happy right now.

Was it confirmed?!!!

BEST. GAME. EVER!

Modifié par leonia42, 12 octobre 2011 - 02:14 .

[achilles000001]

Hathur wrote...

Merci357 wrote...

You are describing the kind of players who wouldn't play, say, the next Tomb Raider, just because you have to play as Lara. And while I think those gamers do exist (evidently), I guess it's just a subsection, otherwise Tomb Raider would have been a huge flop, but this franchise is around since many years.

I guess giving the option to choose either gender is fine, they can play their manly man after all - why should they be offended by a choice? They would be offended if you force a female character on them, I'd guess.

That said, I know this story, only the other way around. Like when playing RE5 co-op. I played this game a few times with different people, but we always had to argue... as you can guess, who is allowed to play as Sheva, and who is stcuk with Chris.

You make very good points (especially about Lara croft). Perhaps it has something to do with the mood / type of game then? Men obviously like the Tomb Raider series since it sold very well because obviously an adventure game where they can look at a buxom lady is of course appealing to guys.... But Tomb Raider doesn't come across as Macho, it never tries to.. so it's ok for them to accept the game for what it is... and it is single player.. a personal gaming experience away from the judgmental eyes of their fellow men.

But what happens when you start throwing female characters into a Macho multiplayer game? Does that change things for men in the sense it is less appropriate or desireable for them? (I would love to hear input from the men on this, if you don't mind. Honestly curious).

What happens if you start throwing female characters into their CODs multiplayer, their Halo multiplayer or their Mass Effect 3 co-op multiplayer.... is it somehow perceived as not acceptable to play the female character since their fellow men will snicker at them for being the "girl" ?

Although obviously you pointed out RE5 and how the female was preferred to be played over the male... so perhaps not... but is that game seen as a "macho" game in the context that most shooters are? (I don't know, never played it and know only a very little).

Perhaps the incident I witnessed at work was in fact not the way most men feel about the issue, and it was those 2 who were the outliers?

Sorry, I'm awfully inquisitive this evening it seems, hehe. Just trying to better understand / figure out male gamers I guess. 

I don't mind playing girls, and I don't think most men do either if uncharted 2 (quite a few chloe's and elena's running around, more than I expected anyway) is anything to go by. But there are men who feel emasculated by playing girls. Like my brother always got Chris in RE5 and he refused to play as Sheva so as punishment I stole the hand cannon. He complained that I made a femshep (on my fourth play through). His friend also whined about me playing a female on my third playthrough of oblivion.
But I live in a small southern town so anything not masucline (beer, guns, football, or trucks) is considered feminine or "gay" according to most of the guys here. I see it as getting the full experience out of the game I payed $60 for. Then again my friend says he doesn't want to play as girls because he imagines himself as the avatar.
I guess it just depends on the guy. So after a wall of text I didn't really answer anything.

By the way I always figured female salarians to be bigger than the males, like a queen ant or the Queen on Aliens.

[BlueMagitek]

Hathur wrote...

But what happens when you start throwing female characters into a Macho multiplayer game? Does that change things for men in the sense it is less appropriate or desireable for them? (I would love to hear input from the men on this, if you don't mind. Honestly curious).

What happens if you start throwing female characters into their CODs multiplayer, their Halo multiplayer or their Mass Effect 3 co-op multiplayer.... is it somehow perceived as not acceptable to play the female character since their fellow men will snicker at them for being the "girl" ?

Although obviously you pointed out RE5 and how the female was preferred to be played over the male... so perhaps not... but is that game seen as a "macho" game in the context that most shooters are? (I don't know, never played it and know only a very little).

Perhaps the incident I witnessed at work was in fact not the way most men feel about the issue, and it was those 2 who were the outliers?

Sorry, I'm awfully inquisitive this evening it seems, hehe. Just trying to better understand / figure out male gamers I guess. 

Eh, nothing wrong with having a female character, it usually only results in a minor difference (romances, some side quests, some quests will have different options open up for certain genders).  Of course, I'm a big RPG gamer, so there's that. 

The community matters too; a female gamer in pvp isn't a big deal; until they say something, as Saaziel said.  Man, some gamers have issues. ...I mean, aside from the rampant homophobia and racism. >_>

Anyway, where was I?  Oh yes, community; the more tight knit the group, the less you'll have to worry about differences; I played on a server in TF2 that had a number of female gamers (who were pretty decent too), and there really wasn't an issue there.  

Now, female characters in "macho" games have been done for a while; Resident Evil has Jill, Rebecca, Claire, Sheva(is that her name?); fighting games are full of women, you can play as a woman in the James Bond multiplayer games, etc. 

But shooting games... eh, blame immaturity.

[Hathur]

Merci357 wrote...

<snip>
I doubt I'd voluntarily play ME3 MP with random people.) <snip>

Same for me too... none of my friends really play Mass Effect (they just ask me to tell them about it or make playthrough vids of it for them to watch, hehe) so I have nobody to play ME3 with.

It's a dilemma for me. I'm very curious about playing the co-op in ME3 as I havent touched multiplayer in years to due numerous bad experiences with people in the "community" of particular games and I don't handle playing with strangers well either since I get nervous and kinda skittish around people I don't know... makes for bad / unfun gaming sessions.

I'm hoping at some point to be able to try the multiplayer co-op in ME#, but how I'm going to achieve that at the moment is completely beyond me 

[Gladegunner]

Wait...if you can be a Geth, can you be a....female? Geth?

[Mako Zalos]

^ That's a good question if anything it'd have a female voice but nothing else feminine.

[Gladegunner]

Mako Zalos wrote...

^ That's a good question if anything it'd have a female voice but nothing else feminine.

Just like the Spectre's sights from CoD BO, I'm gonna enjoy some Robo-booty Shooter action :happy:

[AdmiralCheez]

leonia42 wrote...

Was it confirmed?!!!

BEST. GAME. EVER!

Like, 75% confirmed.  It didn't say "female turians" but it did say "all the genders, all the classes."

[Saaziel]

Hathur wrote...

I haven't touched a multiplayer game in quite a few years just because of what you mentioned above... it was too much of a distraction and made me feel too awkward / uncomfortable.

I don't want to derail the topic too much, but ...

Back when i played MMos (I tried a few , Its not my thing) , I was playing a female orc shaman , which i loved , but got harassed and bothered so much that i ended up re-rolling ( i know its changed since , but re-rolling meant something back then.)

Any who , it was a real eye opener. I like to play a game to relax , not get bothered every minute for attention. Its not something i did personally either , but it solidified my resolve on the matter.

To bring it back to Mass effect , i think i never finished my Femshep run because of the Batarian recruiter on Omega for Archangel. Funny how a lot of female gamers thought it was a nice touch to differentiate them from Menshep. My reaction was : "Who you calling sweet cakes four eyes ? I ought to gauge them out of your skull with a spoon!"

I thought it might be annoying to get hit on virtually as well.

[AdmiralCheez]

Saaziel wrote...

To bring it back to Mass effect , i think i never finished my Femshep run because of the Batarian recruiter on Omega for Archangel. Funny how a lot of female gamers thought it was a nice touch to differentiate them from Menshep. My reaction was : "Who you calling sweet cakes four eyes ? I ought to gauge them out of your skull with a spoon!"

I HATED that part.

So much.

I hoped the interrupt would let me tear his nuts off and beat him to death with them.

[Merci357]

Hathur wrote...

Merci357 wrote...

<snip>
I doubt I'd voluntarily play ME3 MP with random people.) <snip>

Same for me too... none of my friends really play Mass Effect (they just ask me to tell them about it or make playthrough vids of it for them to watch, hehe) so I have nobody to play ME3 with.

It's a dilemma for me. I'm very curious about playing the co-op in ME3 as I havent touched multiplayer in years to due numerous bad experiences with people in the "community" of particular games and I don't handle playing with strangers well either since I get nervous and kinda skittish around people I don't know... makes for bad / unfun gaming sessions.

I'm hoping at some point to be able to try the multiplayer co-op in ME#, but how I'm going to achieve that at the moment is completely beyond me 

I doubt you are required to speak while doing a ME co-op session, you can always hide behind anonymity here. If anything this thread is good for one thing - males do play female characters, and if a, say, female turian named Hathur is running around somewhere in a game, no one would think about it even twice. That said, females gaming online are not that uncommon and unheard of (it's 2011 after all), and not every male gamer would jump on you.
If anything, you could always play with some BSN people. Still strangers, but at least you'd know they are not drooling morons. <_< Just jump in the fray when it's new, and all are running around as newbies - nobody is expecting much then, so no "pressure" you have to do well or such. Since you said you are not used to controlers, I take it you play on PC . So if everything else fails, just give me a shout, I have the patience of a saint.