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[didymos1120]

Seboist wrote...


Female Biotic Vorcha would be epic beyond words.

Do biotic vorcha exist? 

[Sebby]

didymos1120 wrote...

Seboist wrote...


Female Biotic Vorcha would be epic beyond words.

Do biotic vorcha exist? 

ME doesn't state if there is or not but I don't see why there couldn't be any. Every other species has 'em.

[Kidd]

Hathur wrote...

It's a dilemma for me. I'm very curious about playing the co-op in ME3 as I havent touched multiplayer in years to due numerous bad experiences with people in the "community" of particular games and I don't handle playing with strangers well either since I get nervous and kinda skittish around people I don't know... makes for bad / unfun gaming sessions.

If you're scared of the "girl on mic" thing, then I doubt it's going to be a huge problem in ME3. Sure, if you play a competetive FPS game then you will likely get those reactions, but coop has a different attitude and often a more mature player base, I find. For instance, you'll run into a whole lot less bullcrap playing Left4Dead than Call of Duty. And it gets even better when you go into more "niche" games.

As a girl who plays a lot of fighting games (and if you thought female players were underrepresented in the fps world, don't even think about the fighting game community =D), I can confirm that at least fighters usually don't prove a problem for women online per se. I get to talk smack, give advice and receive advice on the same level as any of the guys when I play. Sure, sometimes there's a person going "a girl playing street fighter? are you so ugly you can't find a boyfriend so you play SF instead?" or "omg are you really a girl?! do you have cam!?", but it's rare and it's not hard to simply opt out of the lobby and join another one. The vast majority of lobbies are completely fine.

And I believe ME3 will be much the same way. How many 13 year old kids will be playing this? How many disrespectful men who have just come of age will be playing this? Us BSN people talk down on our own community a lot, but I'm sure we do that because we know we can actually expect better from each other. Those who yell, insult and generally creep you out in other games usually are not the ones interested in games like Mass Effect. At least, that's what I think.

Woah, what a freaking post that became.

tl;dr Different games, different player bases. I don't think the annoying kind of men will be the ones constantly encountered in ME3 online.

Modifié par KiddDaBeauty, 12 octobre 2011 - 11:13 .

[Hathur]

Eudaemonium wrote...

I remember many years ago [when I was 8 - so about 19 years ago] I used to play Golden Axe on the MegaDrive (Genesis, if you're American). In that game you had 3 characters to choose from: the Barbarian, the Amazon, and the Dwarf (because 'Dwarf' was totally a class back then). It was only two-player, but I always used to get stuck playing the Amazon or the Dwarf, because literally everyone else who played (who were all male) would only ever play the Barbarian. I confess to feeling resentful at the time, 'How come they always get to be the manly guy and I don't?'. It was a concession I made in order to have gaming company. Ironic, really, because the Amazon and Dwarf are pretty-much better characters.

Anyway, my point was that as a young boy it felt emasculating to always be pushed into one of the 'lesser' roles. The Barbarian was centre-stage on the box, and was always the first one on the character select screen. He was like 'the main guy'. This was almost certainly a result of institutionalised sexism and other forms of prejudice, which I thankfully wised up to as I got older. I'm not sure exactly when my mentality started to shift. By the time my friends had me playing Streets of Rage 2 (woefully late) I was almost-always playing Blaze (the girl) over the other 3 playable characters. Once I started playing games with selectable gender, I 90% of the time choose female avatars (Baldur's Gate was the first, with Elmina the Half-Elven Fighter-Mage). I can almost guarantee that if I ever play Gears of War 3, I'll almost certainly be playing the girl (though I won't, since I don't own an X-Box). I have friends who will sometimes role female characters in order to look at them, but I tend to role them because I prefer playing as them, which is quite a different reason. A lot of my friends treat it as a quirk of my personality.

Anyway, my initial point was that to myself at a young age, being forced into a female role was something I disliked, found emasculating, etcetera. However, I outgrew it - something I don't believe a lot of men are actually taught to do. For a lot of men, being forced (I think force might actually be quite key here, more than we might think) to 'be the woman' is always experienced as a fundamentally emasculating experience. A lot of this might have to do with the kind of sexism endemic to a lot of gaming culture (and society more generally), coupled with the (not entirely separate) desire to impress one's peers in a competetive environment (and co-op is still competetive to a degree).

Amusingly, if my friend and I play Golden Axe now, he plays the Amazon and I play the Dwarf.

Thanks for the feedback, was interesting to read. 

Seems the more posts I read in this thread the more I realize my initial impressions about male tendencies / behavior in gaming are wrong, at least in the modern day anyway. That'll teach me for making generalizations based off a couple co-workers playing video games.

Unfortunately the only other actual experience I have with understanding male video gamers comes from when I was but a mere child perched on daddy's lap & playing the Atari 9600 together  .. and to make me feel special dad always told me the little blocky figures I was playing as were in fact little girls like me, not boys  ..... that trick stopped working on me with the more advanced 8 bit graphic games though. <_<

Never trust your parents, kids..... they lie. 

[Hathur]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

And I believe ME3 will be much the same way. How many 13 year old kids will be playing this? How many disrespectful men who have just come of age will be playing this? Us BSN people talk down on our own community a lot, but I'm sure we do that because we know we can actually expect better from each other. Those who yell, insult and generally creep you out in other games usually are not the ones interested in games like Mass Effect. At least, that's what I think.

Woah, what a freaking post that became.

tl;dr Different games, different player bases. I don't think the annoying kind of men will be the ones constantly encountered in ME3 online.

Some fair points there, I never really thought of it that way I guess... though whether or not the Mass Effect community would actually be much nicer in a game still remains to be seen, hehe. I guess it will be interesting to see what happens when it comes out. Maybe I'll just wait a few days or weeks after it comes out and hear what people say about people's attitude in the game and whether or not it's as bad as the experiences I've had in the past.

Would just hate to end up getting into the MP and then waste my time abandoning it because I kept being called "Stupid n00b! Don't use that power! No, use that gun, idiot! Goddamnit over here you moron.. Stand here.. No right here!.. Just stand there and shoot, ok? Gaaawd you're so useless! OMG medgel me! Medgel me you moron!"

<_<

I'll just have to wait & see... and hope. 

Modifié par Hathur, 12 octobre 2011 - 11:46 .

[slimgrin]

I really have no desire to see a female Krogan or Turian.

[billy the squid]

Hathur wrote...

Would just hate to end up getting into the MP and then waste my time abandoning it because I kept being called "Stupid n00b! Don't use that power! No, use that gun, idiot! Goddamnit over here you moron.. Stand here.. No right here!.. Just stand there and shoot, ok? Gaaawd you're so useless! OMG medgel me! Medgel me you moron!"

<_<

I'll just have to wait & see... and hope. 

My God, it's like playing CoD all over again . Although it can actually be quite fun, give me a sniper rifle and an annoying guy and I can derive entertainment by shooting them in the head and listening to them squeal in frustration. In the situation when they are on your team, friendly fire makes my day.

But, what you said isn't an exaggeration, it's actually a bit of an understatement. Best I have heard on a CoD match so far.... Imagine this in a drawling Essex accent, without the benefit of punctuation.

1 "Can you come out tonight Bro.?"
2 "No I've got community service."
1 "why, what happened?"
 2 "I got caught lifting without my balaclava."

Me ""

Modifié par billy the squid, 12 octobre 2011 - 12:46 .

[Apollo Starflare]

didymos1120 wrote...

Seboist wrote...


Female Biotic Vorcha would be epic beyond words.

Do biotic vorcha exist? 

If they don't already you can rely on your local Cerberus lab to make it happen.

[Apollo Starflare]

As for the OP, I'll add my voice to those hoping we get female versions of at least some of the races for this reason. If the inclusion of multiplayer pushed them over the edge into deciding that spending the time on female Turians (etc.) was worth it then It'll be more than worth it for me.

Eudaemonium wrote...

I remember many years ago [when I was 8 - so about 19 years ago] I used to play Golden Axe on the MegaDrive (Genesis, if you're American). In that game you had 3 characters to choose from: the Barbarian, the Amazon, and the Dwarf (because 'Dwarf' was totally a class back then). It was only two-player, but I always used to get stuck playing the Amazon or the Dwarf, because literally everyone else who played (who were all male) would only ever play the Barbarian. I confess to feeling resentful at the time, 'How come they always get to be the manly guy and I don't?'. It was a concession I made in order to have gaming company. Ironic, really, because the Amazon and Dwarf are pretty-much better characters.

Anyway, my point was that as a young boy it felt emasculating to always be pushed into one of the 'lesser' roles. The Barbarian was centre-stage on the box, and was always the first one on the character select screen. He was like 'the main guy'. This was almost certainly a result of institutionalised sexism and other forms of prejudice, which I thankfully wised up to as I got older. I'm not sure exactly when my mentality started to shift. By the time my friends had me playing Streets of Rage 2 (woefully late) I was almost-always playing Blaze (the girl) over the other 3 playable characters. Once I started playing games with selectable gender, I 90% of the time choose female avatars (Baldur's Gate was the first, with Elmina the Half-Elven Fighter-Mage). I can almost guarantee that if I ever play Gears of War 3, I'll almost certainly be playing the girl (though I won't, since I don't own an X-Box). I have friends who will sometimes role female characters in order to look at them, but I tend to role them because I prefer playing as them, which is quite a different reason. A lot of my friends treat it as a quirk of my personality.

Anyway, my initial point was that to myself at a young age, being forced into a female role was something I disliked, found emasculating, etcetera. However, I outgrew it - something I don't believe a lot of men are actually taught to do. For a lot of men, being forced (I think force might actually be quite key here, more than we might think) to 'be the woman' is always experienced as a fundamentally emasculating experience. A lot of this might have to do with the kind of sexism endemic to a lot of gaming culture (and society more generally), coupled with the (not entirely separate) desire to impress one's peers in a competetive environment (and co-op is still competetive to a degree).

Amusingly, if my friend and I play Golden Axe now, he plays the Amazon and I play the Dwarf.

Always enjoy reading your posts Eudae, insightful stuff and I can very much understand where you are coming from. It was very similar for me.

[sg1fan75]

Hathur wrote...

Eudaemonium wrote...

I remember many years ago [when I was 8 - so about 19 years ago] I used to play Golden Axe on the MegaDrive (Genesis, if you're American). In that game you had 3 characters to choose from: the Barbarian, the Amazon, and the Dwarf (because 'Dwarf' was totally a class back then). It was only two-player, but I always used to get stuck playing the Amazon or the Dwarf, because literally everyone else who played (who were all male) would only ever play the Barbarian. I confess to feeling resentful at the time, 'How come they always get to be the manly guy and I don't?'. It was a concession I made in order to have gaming company. Ironic, really, because the Amazon and Dwarf are pretty-much better characters.

Anyway, my point was that as a young boy it felt emasculating to always be pushed into one of the 'lesser' roles. The Barbarian was centre-stage on the box, and was always the first one on the character select screen. He was like 'the main guy'. This was almost certainly a result of institutionalised sexism and other forms of prejudice, which I thankfully wised up to as I got older. I'm not sure exactly when my mentality started to shift. By the time my friends had me playing Streets of Rage 2 (woefully late) I was almost-always playing Blaze (the girl) over the other 3 playable characters. Once I started playing games with selectable gender, I 90% of the time choose female avatars (Baldur's Gate was the first, with Elmina the Half-Elven Fighter-Mage). I can almost guarantee that if I ever play Gears of War 3, I'll almost certainly be playing the girl (though I won't, since I don't own an X-Box). I have friends who will sometimes role female characters in order to look at them, but I tend to role them because I prefer playing as them, which is quite a different reason. A lot of my friends treat it as a quirk of my personality.

Anyway, my initial point was that to myself at a young age, being forced into a female role was something I disliked, found emasculating, etcetera. However, I outgrew it - something I don't believe a lot of men are actually taught to do. For a lot of men, being forced (I think force might actually be quite key here, more than we might think) to 'be the woman' is always experienced as a fundamentally emasculating experience. A lot of this might have to do with the kind of sexism endemic to a lot of gaming culture (and society more generally), coupled with the (not entirely separate) desire to impress one's peers in a competetive environment (and co-op is still competetive to a degree).

Amusingly, if my friend and I play Golden Axe now, he plays the Amazon and I play the Dwarf.

Thanks for the feedback, was interesting to read. 

Seems the more posts I read in this thread the more I realize my initial impressions about male tendencies / behavior in gaming are wrong, at least in the modern day anyway. That'll teach me for making generalizations based off a couple co-workers playing video games.

Unfortunately the only other actual experience I have with understanding male video gamers comes from when I was but a mere child perched on daddy's lap & playing the Atari 9600 together  .. and to make me feel special dad always told me the little blocky figures I was playing as were in fact little girls like me, not boys  ..... that trick stopped working on me with the more advanced 8 bit graphic games though. <_<

Never trust your parents, kids..... they lie. 

I have been stuck with screaming, anoying, 12-14 year olds on Horde mode. I can say its less frequient but still anoying but I will play this on ME3 if its well done(hope it's has some story elements-which GW3 Horde mode needed) I trust BioWare I don't know about this team they had work on this coop.

[LightningSamus]

Hope they include females.

[pfhorlorn]

slimgrin wrote...

I really have no desire to see a female Krogan or Turian.

Well, if the Sur'Kesh demo is truthful, female krogan look almost exactly the same as male krogan. That's some delicious antidimorphism right there.

[GMagnum]

gonna be a female human - i always wanted to play as a human
haterzzzzz

Modifié par GMagnum, 12 octobre 2011 - 02:19 .

[kumquats]

Hathur wrote...
Some fair points there, I never really thought of it that way I guess... though whether or not the Mass Effect community would actually be much nicer in a game still remains to be seen, hehe. I guess it will be interesting to see what happens when it comes out. Maybe I'll just wait a few days or weeks after it comes out and hear what people say about people's attitude in the game and whether or not it's as bad as the experiences I've had in the past.

Would just hate to end up getting into the MP and then waste my time abandoning it because I kept being called "Stupid n00b! Don't use that power! No, use that gun, idiot! Goddamnit over here you moron.. Stand here.. No right here!.. Just stand there and shoot, ok? Gaaawd you're so useless! OMG medgel me! Medgel me you moron!"

<_<

I'll just have to wait & see... and hope. 

I'm not going to lie to you. The gaming community is full of rude people.
There are the guys who want to have your picture and turn the game into some kind of online flirting chat.
There are rude people who will flame you.
There will be even guys who can't handle a female player with skill.

But overall you will miss out on some really nice guys and girls, who just want to have a good time.
Meet them, put them on your friendslist and don't go casual. It's the best way to go.

I don't care about the gender thing, but please let me play as a Salarian. I love them.

[Kothoses Rothenkisal]

Hathur wrote...

Eudaemonium wrote...

I remember many years ago [when I was 8 - so about 19 years ago] I used to play Golden Axe on the MegaDrive (Genesis, if you're American). In that game you had 3 characters to choose from: the Barbarian, the Amazon, and the Dwarf (because 'Dwarf' was totally a class back then). It was only two-player, but I always used to get stuck playing the Amazon or the Dwarf, because literally everyone else who played (who were all male) would only ever play the Barbarian. I confess to feeling resentful at the time, 'How come they always get to be the manly guy and I don't?'. It was a concession I made in order to have gaming company. Ironic, really, because the Amazon and Dwarf are pretty-much better characters.

Anyway, my point was that as a young boy it felt emasculating to always be pushed into one of the 'lesser' roles. The Barbarian was centre-stage on the box, and was always the first one on the character select screen. He was like 'the main guy'. This was almost certainly a result of institutionalised sexism and other forms of prejudice, which I thankfully wised up to as I got older. I'm not sure exactly when my mentality started to shift. By the time my friends had me playing Streets of Rage 2 (woefully late) I was almost-always playing Blaze (the girl) over the other 3 playable characters. Once I started playing games with selectable gender, I 90% of the time choose female avatars (Baldur's Gate was the first, with Elmina the Half-Elven Fighter-Mage). I can almost guarantee that if I ever play Gears of War 3, I'll almost certainly be playing the girl (though I won't, since I don't own an X-Box). I have friends who will sometimes role female characters in order to look at them, but I tend to role them because I prefer playing as them, which is quite a different reason. A lot of my friends treat it as a quirk of my personality.

Anyway, my initial point was that to myself at a young age, being forced into a female role was something I disliked, found emasculating, etcetera. However, I outgrew it - something I don't believe a lot of men are actually taught to do. For a lot of men, being forced (I think force might actually be quite key here, more than we might think) to 'be the woman' is always experienced as a fundamentally emasculating experience. A lot of this might have to do with the kind of sexism endemic to a lot of gaming culture (and society more generally), coupled with the (not entirely separate) desire to impress one's peers in a competetive environment (and co-op is still competetive to a degree).

Amusingly, if my friend and I play Golden Axe now, he plays the Amazon and I play the Dwarf.

Thanks for the feedback, was interesting to read. 

Seems the more posts I read in this thread the more I realize my initial impressions about male tendencies / behavior in gaming are wrong, at least in the modern day anyway. That'll teach me for making generalizations based off a couple co-workers playing video games.

Unfortunately the only other actual experience I have with understanding male video gamers comes from when I was but a mere child perched on daddy's lap & playing the Atari 9600 together  .. and to make me feel special dad always told me the little blocky figures I was playing as were in fact little girls like me, not boys  ..... that trick stopped working on me with the more advanced 8 bit graphic games though. <_<

Never trust your parents, kids..... they lie. 

Play wow, or call of duty and you will meet more douche bags do you know why? because there are more people playing those games, the % of idiots remains the same, its just with more people the conversion rate is higher thats all.

Gamers on a whole talk down their own community a LOT more than they should, sure there are some cesspits (The WoW official forums, XBox Live, etc) but the vast majority of connected gaming communities are as diverse and broad as anywhere else.  You get good and bad, and it is up to us as gamers to ensure that the good people are rewarded and the bad ones are shunned.

[Han Shot First]

Female Turians and Humans? Why not. As for Asari, they don't count as they herpderphavenogender. Which is a load of nonsense as they make good sandwiches.

The Asari are female.

[javierabegazo]

In the new FAQ, it states we can be either gender of all 6 races, so please begin a new thread, talking about what sort of appearances you expect.