49 réponses à ce sujet

[Jennifer Brandes Hepler]

It is because of the merging with Justice. Anders in DAII is a combination of their personalities, plus a general darkening of both of them because the merger went so poorly.

[CrimsonZephyr]

You have to wonder why it never crossed Hawke's mind to just cut Anders' throat the moment his eyes started glowing and his voice started getting all deep and demon-y. After getting his Grey Warden maps, of course. Pragmatism comes before murder.

Pro-tip: If someone's eyes start glowing (color is irrelevant) and their voice deepens to an unnatural pitch, this person is not worth associating with. Public safety would also probably benefit from their swift elimination.

Remember guys, the murder-knife knows best. Hawke wasn't worthy of its power - he used it on Javaris of all people.

[berelinde]

If Hawke started murder-knifing people the moment some body part started to glow, his party would consist of Varric, Isabela, and Aveline. I leave out Carver because if Hawke was a mage, he'd have to kill himself, too, on account of the glowy hands he'd get when he started casting spells.

[Knight of Dane]

berelinde wrote...

If Hawke started murder-knifing people the moment some body part started to glow, his party would consist of Varric, Isabela, and Aveline.

And Sebastian..

[MG800]

Knight of Dane wrote...

berelinde wrote...

If Hawke started murder-knifing people the moment some body part started to glow, his party would consist of Varric, Isabela, and Aveline.

And Sebastian..

Sebastian has a shiny armor. In the daylight he could be mistaken for glowing.
Apostates are everywhere...

[TobiTobsen]

MG800 wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

berelinde wrote...

If Hawke started murder-knifing people the moment some body part started to glow, his party would consist of Varric, Isabela, and Aveline.

And Sebastian..

Sebastian has a shiny armor. In the daylight he could be mistaken for glowing.
Apostates are everywhere...

Exactly! Merril even says that Sebastians armor is shiny enough to make up for a torch. That has to be some kind of demonic magic!

[Knight of Dane]

And Aveline has shiny Hair

[DreamerM]

Murder-knifing Anders for eye-glowing: nope. Not reasonable. Nah-uh. Not a thing.

Murder-knifing Anders after you figure out he's planning to blow something up (you don't need the Anarchist's cookbook to help you spot that fossilized dung is a key ingrediant in various KABOOM recipies)....or at the very least, handing him over to the Templars after he murders a lady... THAT I think you should have been able to do.

But that's just me.

[Wulfram]

I don't think Hawke has knowledge of explosives. Any knowledge he did have, would be of the Lyrium based dwarvish type.

[DreamerM]

Jennifer Brandes Hepler wrote...

It is because of the merging with Justice. Anders in DAII is a combination of their personalities, plus a general darkening of both of them because the merger went so poorly.

There's a thing I don' understand. Two characters, Anders and Justice, who wanted to right wrongs and protect the innocent, combined into....well...the one member of the team who is happy when you decide to sell Fenris back to Denarius for no reason. He's Mr. "Freedom or Death" who'd rather kill every mage on the planet then let them go on living under Templar oppression, but hey, thanks for taking your slave back Mr. Blood Mage, I never liked him anyway. Geez...

[DreamerM]

Wulfram wrote...

I don't think Hawke has knowledge of explosives. Any knowledge he did have, would be of the Lyrium based dwarvish type.

If Hawke is a rogue, Hawke makes and uses grenades. This implies some familiarity with explosives. Plus...well his intentions were kind of obvious. He was broadcasting on all channels, so to speak. Hawke would have had to be really thick or just really uninterested to miss it.

[Wulfram]

DreamerM wrote...

If Hawke is a rogue, Hawke makes and uses grenades. This implies some familiarity with explosives. Plus...well his intentions were kind of obvious. He was broadcasting on all channels, so to speak. Hawke would have had to be really thick or just really uninterested to miss it.

Hawke doesn't make Grenades, he has Tomwise make them.  From plants and glitterdust, not sela petrae and drakestone.

[DreamerM]

Wulfram wrote...
Hawke doesn't make Grenades, he has Tomwise make them.  From plants and glitterdust, not sela petrae and drakestone.

It's called "drakestone." Guessing that it goes boom in some way isn't much of a leap. Plus Anders was so cagey about the whole thing he might as well have been wearing a sign around his neck saying "bombmaker."

[MG800]

DreamerM wrote...

Wulfram wrote...
Hawke doesn't make Grenades, he has Tomwise make them.  From plants and glitterdust, not sela petrae and drakestone.

It's called "drakestone." Guessing that it goes boom in some way isn't much of a leap. Plus Anders was so cagey about the whole thing he might as well have been wearing a sign around his neck saying "bombmaker."

It is. And he didn't wear a sign, but he did act suspicious, and he's very, very bad at lying.
Please, don't mix what you know, with what you think your Hawke should know. In Thedas, noone is making mild explosives out of sala petrae for fun. Your Hawke know fo sure, that he's acting suspicious - now whatever to help him further or not is his decision. Acting suspicious and lying is too little, to murder-knife someone. Not to mention, someone who you worked with for years.

Modifié par MG800, 12 octobre 2011 - 12:36 .

[CrimsonZephyr]

berelinde wrote...

If Hawke started murder-knifing people the moment some body part started to glow, his party would consist of Varric, Isabela, and Aveline. I leave out Carver because if Hawke was a mage, he'd have to kill himself, too, on account of the glowy hands he'd get when he started casting spells.

Deep, reverbrating voice, too. Anyone who doesn't get freaked out by that stuff is willfully genre-blind. Oh, and Vengeance pretty establishes himself as having a hair trigger temper the moment you meet him. Case in point:

*Hawke walks in without much commotion*
Anders: I HAVE MADE THIS A PLACE A SANCTUARY OF HEALING!!! WHY DO YOU DISTURB IT?!?!?!
Hawke: Hey, dude, we need your help.

Honestly, in his very first appearance he grabs a spear, his eyes start glowing, and he speaks in a demon-y reverb voice and there are actually doubts that associating with this guy, let alone letting him live would end up badly? When was the last time Bethany pulled that crap? Oh, right, it was never. And how many chantries has she destroyed? I believe the running count is zero.

Modifié par CrimsonZephyr, 12 octobre 2011 - 02:06 .

[DreamerM]

True, Anders doesn't make the most welcoming and friendly first impression. But neither to any of your companions, really. Think about it: Aveline punches a darkspawn to death. Varrik shoots a guy in broad daylight. Isabella starts (or rather finishes) a bar brawl. Merril works blood magic. Fenris pays you to walk into a trap meant for him. It's never really "hey man, I'm new in town, wanna get a drink later?" It's almost like Hawke has a thing for unstable headcases who attract violence...

[CrimsonZephyr]

Yeah, but none of them have a demon in their head. Anders is the biggest nutcase and if Hawke had listened to the wisdom of the murder-knife, a lot of bad could have been avoided.

[Raging Nug]

Do you think Anders is aware of how close he came to becoming an abomination? Justice expresses worry over the possibility in Awakening, and in DA2 it's hard to distinguish between that and what he's become.

With regards to the act of terrorism and Hawke's expertise, I'm surprised anyone is questioning it. Hawke can accept just about any mission regardless of whether he knows anything about it or not, so whether Anders has any legitimate reason for going to Hawke or not is a moot point. What we're supposed to understand is that Hawke is the go-to person that gets anything and everything in Kirkwall done.

[King Minos]

I like the way Anders punishes the Templars, I would do the same eye for an eye. I believe in real Justice and not locking someone up and leaving them to rot. I won't harm or kill civilians or innocents but any extreme Templar that enjoys killing mages will die the same way they kill mages.

[BevH]

King Minos wrote...

I like the way Anders punishes the Templars, I would do the same eye for an eye. I believe in real Justice and not locking someone up and leaving them to rot. I won't harm or kill civilians or innocents but any extreme Templar that enjoys killing mages will die the same way they kill mages.

And this is vengeance. It's why I've come to believe that even in DAA, that "spirit" was always Vengeance.

[dreadpiratesnugglecakes]

What about mages who kill civilians? I didn't notice that ambulatory douchenozzle worrying much about the destruction that blood mages can cause to innocent bystanders. Oh, wait.. That doesn't count. Only mages can feel pain or suffer injustice. Maybe Vengeance should change his name to 'Hypocrite A***ole' and just shut up before the other fade spirits make fun of him for being a giant intellectually inconsistent tool. Oops. Here I go trying to make sense in an Anders thread again.

[Gervaise]

Problem is that if he really wanted Vengeance against the Templars, why didn't he blow up Meredith? That would have solved everyone's problems (including Elthina - cause Sebastian says Meredith isn't listening to her anymore). Hell the other Templars would probably have given him a medal. So may be that's why he didn't - because Justice wouldn't do anything that would help the Templars.

Now I'm not too knife happy a person but I do wonder for the sanity of people who continued the romance after he nearly took Ella's head off. Not only that but the romance prompts for a girl were either "I did it all for you" (like I'm only trying to free mages for your sake - jeez) or "You're really cute when you're rebellious." Seriously?! My first run through my girl had been quite keen on Anders at first but after the Ella incident she felt he was bloody scary when he was rebellious. And when I let it go a bit further out of curiosity, he actually says that "Justice doesn't approve". It was strictly friendship only after that. The writers may make Hawke out to be a fool but I'm not. I actually prefer him on rivlary, particularly as Justice tells you to get out when you're pushing for information on what he's up to. I just wish they'd allowed for the fact that I'm not against freeing mages when I end up on a rivalry path, I'm just against mages who are really abominations.

My biggest disappointment is that when we're with Tallis, Justice doesn't come out and put the wind up her - how about vengence for all the saarabas Mr Glowy?