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[diamondedge]

It's stated perfectly clear in the game.

"it's subtle at first, it cay take days, or even weeks -"

Shepard exposed for nearly long enough for any indoctrination effect to work.

[adneate]

CrippleFox wrote...
One very good example, is if the cook on the Normandy was indoctrinated and he poisoned everybody's meal o_o

You can't poison cyborgs, after ME2 Shepard can probably drink an anti-freeze and wood varnish cocktail and only feel heartburn afterwards.

[jwalker]

CrippleFox wrote...


One very good example, is if the cook on the Normandy was indoctrinated and he poisoned everybody's meal o_o

Nevermind poison. I'm more concerned about Mess sgt Gardner not washing his hands after a toilet cleanup.

[Warplan]

My bets:

#1) The Protheans already indoctronated him. That original beason back in ME1. It changed him and his mental structures. He can not be indoctrinated - at least in the normal way. That's the reasons Harbinger wants him.

#2) He hasn't spent long enough in the "Indoctrination Field". Most Indoctrination appears to take several days to weeks. The folks in the derilick Reaper and those exposed to Object Rho in "The Arrival" DLC took weeks of transition of "bad dreams" to convert ot the cause. (per the logs you pick up in the DLC)

#3) Indommidable will -- Ok not really but hey, it's A reason. We all play the game cause he/she is the hero of the galaxy. Heck Shep the ONE.

#4) Cause we would not have a good plotline if it happened. Eventhough I would like for that to have been an outcome in ME2 if you screwed up somewhere - vs just "Critical Mission Failure".

Modifié par Warplan, 12 octobre 2011 - 10:22 .

[capn233]

I don't think it could be number 1 because Saren was also using the beacons in order to find the conduit.

[Aurora313]

adneate wrote...

CrippleFox wrote...
One very good example, is if the cook on the Normandy was indoctrinated and he poisoned everybody's meal o_o

You can't poison cyborgs, after ME2 Shepard can probably drink an anti-freeze and wood varnish cocktail and only feel heartburn afterwards.

he drank poison and he collapsed, waking up later in a haze and looking lik he wanted to puke, but we don't know how strong that poison was. Sure that guy said his friend was puking up blood but a person's resistance to poison could vary as much the individual. No two people are the same, plus Shepard was trained as an SF - I'm betting that part of that training is learning to resist poison.

[Errationatus]

Why not indoctrinated?

Easy.  For ManShep:

HyperLoveGodMachoMojo power.

For FemShep:

You try telling a Redhead to do something they don't wanna.  Then insist on it.  Then demand it.

Let me know how much skin you manage to keep.

[Scourge king]

Shepard cant become indoctrinated because if you look at it he/she has killed every reaper they were in contact with

[nitefyre410]

JakeMacDon wrote...

Why not indoctrinated?

Easy.  For ManShep:

HyperLoveGodMachoMojo power.

For FemShep:

You try telling  any woman let alone one that is a spec ops marine  to do something they don't wanna.  Then insist on it.  Then demand it.

Let me know how much skin you manage to keep.

 

Fix'd  

[Aurora313]

He killed every reaper he acme into contact with, yes. But during the IFF mission, they science team where feeling the effects of indoctrination during their stay on the ship. The way I see it, Indoctrination is a sort of measurable mental contamination, the few times that Shepard has been exposed, it contaminated him only in a negligible but it was able to wear off. I don't believe indoctrination has a cumulative effect. Though if anyone is to worry about, it is Anderson and everyone else on Earth when Shepard leaves to gather an army.

[CrazyGreggy]

Could be leftover Thorian spores giving a very low-level resistance. The only fully Reaper-indoctrinated person known to have been freed/cleansed is Shiala, and it was the linkage with the Thorian that did it

[CrippleFox]

Some of these replies are really entertaining, some of them are somewhat interesting, but I still think all of them don't prove that Commander Shepard hasn't been indoctrinated and even if he hasn't what about his squad mates? The number one reason that I am seeing here is pure plot device, which isn't good enough to me in my opinion. BioWare is better than that. The second highest opinion is that he hasn't spent long enough near a Reaper for it to indoctrinate him but he's been in contact with so much Reaper crap over the course of a year and some and he's not even the LEAST bit effected? I don't know still.

Back to Mess sgt Gardner being indoctrinated because it amuses me... WHAT IF!? He actually wanted you to get those supplies so that whatever he was slipping into the food (after not washing his hands) would go down easier with better tasting food. He's an evil guy.

[SandTrout]

CrippleFox wrote...

Some of these replies are really entertaining, some of them are somewhat interesting, but I still think all of them don't prove that Commander Shepard hasn't been indoctrinated and even if he hasn't what about his squad mates? The number one reason that I am seeing here is pure plot device, which isn't good enough to me in my opinion. BioWare is better than that. The second highest opinion is that he hasn't spent long enough near a Reaper for it to indoctrinate him but he's been in contact with so much Reaper crap over the course of a year and some and he's not even the LEAST bit effected? I don't know still.

Back to Mess sgt Gardner being indoctrinated because it amuses me... WHAT IF!? He actually wanted you to get those supplies so that whatever he was slipping into the food (after not washing his hands) would go down easier with better tasting food. He's an evil guy.

Way to ignore the clear, logical reasons expaining why it is exceptionally doubtful that Shepard has been indoctrinated...

[jamesp81]

CrippleFox wrote...

Okay, so even IF Commander Shepard is very resistant or even immune to Reaper indoctrination altogether, there's still the total of what... like 15 or more squad mates and 25 or something crew on the Normandy who could possibly get indoctrinated and have a very good chance of messing things up for Commander Shepard.

One very good example, is if the cook on the Normandy was indoctrinated and he poisoned everybody's meal o_o

I don't think anyone on the crew has been exposed to reaper tech long enough either.  The only exposure is the squad Shepard takes the derelict Reaper, which wasn't nearly long enough.

Maybe, maybe the crew when they were taken to the CB, but again, they weren't there that long.  They either get rescued very quickly or reaper-smoothied.

[CrippleFox]

You know, for a race of sentient super machines, they sure can't think very well. No, I have not ignored the fact that it takes time to indoctrinate someone, but that's only if they want them as a useful slave. If they want them dead and as a mindless husk then they could easily speed up the process and it would only take those couple of hours spent in and around the Reapers and their tech. Seems like a pretty efficient way to destroy the one thing standing between you and complete and total annihilation of the galaxies inhabitants, but that's just me :/

When I say indoctrination, I'm covering the whole definition of the word (as used in the game) and not just parts of it like most people seem to. It can work slowly, or really fast. Everyone here is assuming I mean just slowly when I am talking in general. He must feel SOMETHING at the very least. After all, indoctrination is incurable. They could do it part by part, it's not like their progress on indoctrination would be going anywhere.

[darthnick427]

 

you try indoctrinating this much awesomeness. Not so easy is it? hahaha

[SandTrout]

CrippleFox wrote...

You know, for a race of sentient super machines, they sure can't think very well. No, I have not ignored the fact that it takes time to indoctrinate someone, but that's only if they want them as a useful slave. If they want them dead and as a mindless husk then they could easily speed up the process and it would only take those couple of hours spent in and around the Reapers and their tech. Seems like a pretty efficient way to destroy the one thing standing between you and complete and total annihilation of the galaxies inhabitants, but that's just me :/

And the only time that Shepard had any sort of significant exposure to an Indoctrination capable device was in Arrival, where they could have killed him/her with a bullet to the brain much easier. They want him alive for some reason or another.

When I say indoctrination, I'm covering the whole definition of the word (as used in the game) and not just parts of it like most people seem to. It can work slowly, or really fast. Everyone here is assuming I mean just slowly when I am talking in general. He must feel SOMETHING at the very least.

Why? Because you say so?

After all, indoctrination is incurable.

the full nature of indoctrination is not known, and it is reasonable to assume that the brain can self-repair any effects of indoctrination within a certain threshhold.

They could do it part by part, it's not like their progress on indoctrination would be going anywhere.

And you know this how?

Modifié par SandTrout, 13 octobre 2011 - 09:13 .

[Mr.Pink]

Shepard has never been around a Reaper long enough, and Liara even comments "You must be incredibly strong willed, Commander." So, Shepard may be more resistant, and he hasn't been around them very long.

[bleetman]

Plot armour. Deflecting trivial things like bullets, explosions and/or the corrupting madness of ageless death robots or your money back.

Modifié par bleetman, 13 octobre 2011 - 09:25 .

[CrippleFox]

Mr.Pink wrote...

Shepard has never been around a Reaper long enough, and Liara even comments "You must be incredibly strong willed, Commander." So, Shepard may be more resistant, and he hasn't been around them very long.

The Matriarch fell to indoctrination and her mental capacity is pysically better and stronger than a humans. Also, yes, we've gone over time already

[seirhart]

I just thought of something, I guess it would be more of a what if? But who is to say that Shepards will is far stronger than any asari matriarch?

[SandTrout]

seirhart wrote...

I just thought of something, I guess it would be more of a what if? But who is to say that Shepards will is far stronger than any asari matriarch?

It doesn't matter if it is stronger than a Matriarch's. Benezia was onboard Sovereign for an extended period of time, while Shepard did not recieve a significant amount of exposure.

[SandTrout]

CrippleFox wrote...

Mr.Pink wrote...

Shepard has never been around a Reaper long enough, and Liara even comments "You must be incredibly strong willed, Commander." So, Shepard may be more resistant, and he hasn't been around them very long.

The Matriarch fell to indoctrination and her mental capacity is pysically better and stronger than a humans. Also, yes, we've gone over time already

You keep ignoreing the fact that the exposure time doesn't even compare between other indoctrinated characters and Shepard.

[Ravensword]

Since it's stated that indoctrination is irreversible, wouldn't it be cumulative as well like being exposed to radiation?

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Shepard is immune to indoctrination because of what the Prothean beacon did to him.