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[TEWR]

So if one Qunari is just a part of the larger body, wouldn't that mean that what one Qunari says about the culture speaks for what all of them would say about it?

Remember Sten's story about the Tal-Vashoth attacks? The Qunari would wait outside for news of their missing friend. Any news. It sounds like the Qunari are all one big family (in a very weird sort of way).

This is probably my last post for the night. I need some sleep.

Oh, believe me, I try to avoid death as much as possible too. But sometimes it's not possible

Like Orsino

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 19 octobre 2011 - 06:57 .

[Arquen]

Not to mention the Qunari once fought all the lands of Thedas to a standstill and they are in a 100 year plus war with Tevinter. Going to war against the Qunari is just not something you do. Protecting yourself from them, however.. that is a different matter. Lest we forget that these are Qunari spies were dealing with, and only Tallis' word they are "innocents." Or the whole reason Sten was even in Thedas to begin with. All scoutings for the Qun. Yet Tallis is going against the Qun because they didnt think the list was worth pursuing. She alone took it upon herself to protect those people.. the Qun left them to their fate. So much for "we protect our own."

Still... im with Fenris. I think the Qunari are gathering their strength. Ehen they wish true war..we will know it.

Tallis is very much an exception to the rule, and i think she would give up on the Qun given the right circumstances and persuasions.

[Zjarcal]

Xilizhra wrote...

As a rule, I don't advocate hatred. I believe it's counterproductive and draining. However, in some cases it's better than indifference, and the qunari are one of those cases.

And? That wasn't addressed to you and it was a tongue in cheek post either way.

[Avilia]

I have a question.  A potentially dim question (but that's not unusual for me!).

Tallis is a Qunari - how would that work if she was an LI in a future game?  She'd need to have left the Qun I think - I'm pretty sure I remember Sten telling my warden that the breeding is controlled by the Ben Hassrath (also discussions pre DA2 from the writers about the way they view sex).  Is that just Kossith or all Qunari? Wouldn't being an adherent of the Qun mean she isn't interested/allowed to breed or mate with anyone unless its sanctioned?

Apologies for the seemingly random question but its been puzzling my brain box for a few days now.

Hopefully this hasn't been discussed to death earlier in the thread...if so, erm, I'll run away blushing.

Modifié par Avilia, 19 octobre 2011 - 07:11 .

[Zjarcal]

Avilia wrote...

I have a question.  A potentially dim question (but that's not unusual for me!).
Tallis is a Qunari - how would that work if she was an LI in a future game?  She'd need to have left the Qun I think - I'm pretty sure I remember Sten telling my warden that the breeding is controlled by the Ben Hassrath (also discussions pre DA2 from the writers about the way they view sex).  Is that just Kossith or all Qunari? Wouldn't being an adherent of the Qun mean she isn't interested/allowed to breed or mate with anyone unless its sanctioned?
Apologies for the seemingly random question but its been puzzling my brain box for a few days now.
Hopefully this hasn't been discussed to death earlier in the thread...if so, erm, I'll run away blushing.

I think she may be willing to bend the rules on that. I mean she doesn't seem to be completely fanatical about the Qun, recognizing its flaws unlike your typical Qunari. So eh, my guess is that she'd just handwave anything regarding sex.

At least that's what I hope she'll do. 

EDIT: And it's not like breeding would be an issue for me. 

Modifié par Zjarcal, 19 octobre 2011 - 07:28 .

[GodWood]

Breeding and sex need not be considered the same thing.

[Avilia]

 I think its the same thing to the Qunari.  Hence my question.  I was just curious though and don't want to make an issue of it.  I'm sure if Bioware decide to include Tallis (or any other Qunari) as an LI in a future game they'll make it happen no matter what the lore says.

Modifié par Avilia, 19 octobre 2011 - 08:57 .

[TobiTobsen]

Avilia wrote...

 I think its the same thing to the Qunari.  Hence my question.  I was just curious though and don't want to make an issue of it.  I'm sure if Bioware decide to include Tallis (or any other Qunari) as an LI in a future game they'll make it happen no matter what the lore says.

I'm pretty sure that one of the advantages of being a Tal-Vashoth is the fact that you can choose your sex partners yourself.

Go for it Tallis!

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 19 octobre 2011 - 09:07 .

[Avilia]

Oh she's Tal-Vashoth? See that's what I get for asking a question before doing proper research. In that case, ignore my question until such time as a Qunari LI comes along...

Bah I knew I'd embarrass myself...

[TobiTobsen]

Avilia wrote...

Oh she's Tal-Vashoth? See that's what I get for asking a question before doing proper research. In that case, ignore my question until such time as a Qunari LI comes along...

Bah I knew I'd embarrass myself...

She is not. It would be just a good reason to make her one, if they want to make her a LI in the future.

[GodWood]

Avilia wrote...
I think its the same thing to the Qunari. 

I see no reason why it would be and there's nothing to suggest that it is.

Personally I'd think they'd have no issue with casual sex (perhaps they'd even advocate it, relieve stress and all that) but sex in a lovey-dovey relationship sense would be forbidden.

Modifié par GodWood, 19 octobre 2011 - 11:19 .

[Gervaise]

As long as Tallis is out of Par Vollen doing her own thing she is reasonably safe to act as she pleases. But if she ever returns to Par Vollen or one of her superiors gets wind of how she is behaving, then she will be in for a bout of serious re-education. Apparently Sten was re-educated on his return from the Warden and he is no way as out of sinc with Qunari thinking as Tallis.

As I understand it, the Qun teaching is that sex is for reproduction - birth control is unnecessary since you are only meant to mate with partners authorised by those in charge. Qunari can show affection for one another but not through sex. Sex and potentially allowing your "superior seed" to infiltrate the non Qun breeding stock or allow their "inferior seed" to implant your womb, would I imagine be greatly frowned on. Your mate in such circumstances would probably be executed. How they would view a same sex relationship is open to question but probably upon the lines of "waste of resources".

Mind you, if I understand correctly, Tallis merely flirts and kisses and this could all be part of her ploy to use you - even the one at the end may be her way of demonstrating her power over you before she leaves. Is there ever a suggestion of anything more?

[Netem]

@ Avilia: Breeding is controlled by the Tamassran, not the Ben-Hassrath.  As for Tallis, she probably wouldn't enter a relationship with Hawke -- considering everything we've been told about the Qunari so far, it's more or less impossible for Tallis to be a permanent companion and a LI. She's dedicated to her role and to the Qun, and I for one think her drive and confidence make her all the more appealing.

GodWood wrote...

Personally I'd think they'd have no issue with casual sex (perhaps they'd even advocate it, relieve stress and all that) but sex in a lovey-dovey relationship sense would be forbidden.

Gervaise wrote...

As I understand it, the Qun teaching is that sex is for reproduction - birth control is unnecessary since you are only meant to mate with partners authorised by those in charge. Qunari can show affection for one another but not through sex. Sex and potentially allowing your "superior seed" to infiltrate the non Qun breeding stock or allow their "inferior seed" to implant your womb, would I imagine be greatly frowned on. Your mate in such circumstances would probably be executed. How they would view a same sex relationship is open to question but probably upon the lines of "waste of resources".

The Qun doesn't advocate casual sex, but that doesn't mean that they would execute those who did mate willy-nilly. As Mary Kirby wrote:

Mary Kirby wrote...

Qunari don't generally associate mating with love. They feel love. They have friends. They form emotional bonds with one another. They just don't sleep with each other to express it. And if they do, they get re-educated by the Ben-Hassrath. So, y'know, not exactly encouragement there.

If such a thing occurred and produced a child, the same thing would happen to the offspring as happens to all other Qunari offspring: It would be raised by the Tamassrans, evaluated, and assigned a job. Qunari don't waste people unnecessarily.

Though I agree that Tallis is an interesting case. She might handwave sex, and she might not. I prefer to think, based on the DLC and the first two episodes of Redemption, that her flirty nature is a defense mechanism, and has little to do with how she would actually approach a hypothetical romance.

[saMoorai]

I like Tallis a lot, She's one of my favorite characters and even rivals Merrill on the adorableness scale for me.

Heres hoping to some more Hawke/Tallis DLC in the future.

[Jilinna]

Netem wrote...
Though I agree that Tallis is an interesting case. She might handwave sex, and she might not. I prefer to think, based on the DLC and the first two episodes of Redemption, that her flirty nature is a defense mechanism, and has little to do with how she would actually approach a hypothetical romance.

I think she would hand wave sex, she didn't seem to concerned when my characters flirted with her till the end. There are no Qunari watching her so probabably not that big of a deal to her.

I can see her flirty nature being a defense mechanism for sure, if anyone has watched the episdoes yet  and knows about Tallis's past and how she became a Qunari it  is sad, I think you would need that sarcastic personality to keep a happy face.

But yes I agree Tallis is definetly a deeper character then she leads on, can't wait to learn more about her and her past!

Anyways, I think we need a Tallis pic, so here is a picture of her lovely smirk! (or it looks like a smirk to me )

Modifié par Jilinna, 20 octobre 2011 - 04:07 .

[Arquen]

You know what kind of made me lol..Tallis' intro scene. How she just blows in... then does that cute wink before slitting that guys throat. Then all stands tall and goes "what are you waiting for?" -- the cheese alone made me bust out laughing. Then Hawke is all "who the blazes is that!?" And Varric chimes in "dont know. Kill things first. Talk later." -- I was cracking up so bad.

Still. That over dramatic "what are you waiting for?" is so beyond cheese that it is actually brilliant.

I like Tallis. I do, but that intro. Seriously hilarious.

[Jilinna]

Arquen wrote...

You know what kind of made me lol..Tallis' intro scene. How she just blows in... then does that cute wink before slitting that guys throat. Then all stands tall and goes "what are you waiting for?" -- the cheese alone made me bust out laughing. Then Hawke is all "who the blazes is that!?" And Varric chimes in "dont know. Kill things first. Talk later." -- I was cracking up so bad.

Still. That over dramatic "what are you waiting for?" is so beyond cheese that it is actually brilliant.

I like Tallis. I do, but that intro. Seriously hilarious.

I have to agree The intro is really funny because its just over dramatic, its not like Hawke hasn't been ambushed before. Have to love Varric when questioned about this being ambush"Why?! Its not always an ambush"...--assasins proceed to pop out & ambush Hawke & Co-- Varric: *sigh* alright maybe sometimes its an ambush". Ohh Varric <3
& I agree her wink was adorable! She does things like that in the Web series as well its really funny!
Anyways winking Tallis anyone?

Modifié par Jilinna, 20 octobre 2011 - 02:04 .

[TEWR]

Tallis thread, rise! Walk amongst us in the shimmering light once more!

I loved her wink. That is all I have to say right now.

[Huntress]

Avilia wrote...

I have a question.  A potentially dim question (but that's not unusual for me!).

Tallis is a Qunari - how would that work if she was an LI in a future game?  She'd need to have left the Qun I think - I'm pretty sure I remember Sten telling my warden that the breeding is controlled by the Ben Hassrath (also discussions pre DA2 from the writers about the way they view sex).  Is that just Kossith or all Qunari? Wouldn't being an adherent of the Qun mean she isn't interested/allowed to breed or mate with anyone unless its sanctioned?

Apologies for the seemingly random question but its been puzzling my brain box for a few days now.

Hopefully this hasn't been discussed to death earlier in the thread...if so, erm, I'll run away blushing.

Am not really sure she is an elf and always goign to be looked down as one, why? not one likes them, and flemeth tell you're hawke why.: they bend the knee too quickly* lol!

Any way I think the rules aplies to the true blood qunaris, the horned ones and the very rare un-horned ones ( like sten)

The ones who join them are seen is as pawns, like tallis, they can marry and live with their children outside the qunari island and is much easier to get followers that way, I believe that is this type of people Tallis is trying to protect by keeping the scroll, they are elves and humans, not sure if dwarves would join that ..way of live so I won't mention them.

[Jilinna]

Huntress wrote...

Avilia wrote...

I have a question.  A potentially dim question (but that's not unusual for me!).

Tallis is a Qunari - how would that work if she was an LI in a future game?  She'd need to have left the Qun I think - I'm pretty sure I remember Sten telling my warden that the breeding is controlled by the Ben Hassrath (also discussions pre DA2 from the writers about the way they view sex).  Is that just Kossith or all Qunari? Wouldn't being an adherent of the Qun mean she isn't interested/allowed to breed or mate with anyone unless its sanctioned?

Apologies for the seemingly random question but its been puzzling my brain box for a few days now.

Hopefully this hasn't been discussed to death earlier in the thread...if so, erm, I'll run away blushing.

Am not really sure she is an elf and always goign to be looked down as one, why? not one likes them, and flemeth tell you're hawke why.: they bend the knee too quickly* lol!

Any way I think the rules aplies to the true blood qunaris, the horned ones and the very rare un-horned ones ( like sten)

The ones who join them are seen is as pawns, like tallis, they can marry and live with their children outside the qunari island and is much easier to get followers that way, I believe that is this type of people Tallis is trying to protect by keeping the scroll, they are elves and humans, not sure if dwarves would join that ..way of live so I won't mention them.

Its a good question! To me I was more wondering how Tallis would be implemented as a full time companion if she is dedicated to the Qun. Once that question is out of the way I have no doubt in my mind she would be a LI choice, or I atleast hope so.

I do though have a few theories on how she could be a companion in future titles.

1. She is still a Qunari and follows the protagonist because she has a mission that she can't do alone, sorta like sten, and like her web series if anyone has watched it!

2. She becomes Tal-Vashoth after many disagreements with the Qun's teachings.

3. She becomes disgraced and announced to be Tal-Vashoth by the Qun for leaving yet again on another
moral/personal mission of hers, and sets off to prove whatever she is hunting or doing is for the good of the Qun and therefore needs the protagonists help.

4. For the future LI question, I don't think she has any problems with any sort of physical relationship, I bet she would have trouble around serious relationships though and it would take some convincing for Tallis to trust someone else completely based on her past which was spoken about a bit in the web series...----SPOILERS START----she was sold into slavery by her parents----SPOILERS END-----.

5. the obligated answer, Bioware will make up some excuse that will make it work if they truly want her to be a LI or future companion.

Modifié par Jilinna, 25 octobre 2011 - 03:50 .

[Ross42899]

Found on Deviantart!!!

Modifié par Ross42899, 25 octobre 2011 - 01:19 .

[Northern Sun]

In the latest episode of Redemption(#3) we have this lovely scene.
Dalish Boy: "I'm good at healing magic!"
Tallis: "Prove it."[Stabs boy in chest]

My opinion of her dropped a few notches at that. I mean, the boy's kind of an annoying wimp, but still.

Modifié par Northern Sun, 25 octobre 2011 - 10:08 .

[TEWR]

Northern Sun wrote...

In the latest episode of Redemption(#3) we have this lovely scene.
Dalish Boy: "I'm good at healing magic!"
Tallis: "Prove it."[Stabs boy in chest]

My opinion of her dropped a few notches at that. I mean, the boy's kind of an annoying wimp, but still.

The fact that she was willing to talk with him and not go "You are saarebas? Bas saarebas? GRAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!" actually made me like her character more.

I mean, sure she didn't have to stab him in the chest. The leg or the arm would've been good enough, or even stabbing the Templar. But it all worked out.

[Netem]

@ Northern Sun

Yeah, I've noted the inconsistency in Tallis' personality, too. In the DLC, she was a very sweet and snarky assassin with a lot of passion, e.g. prison cell conversation on Qunari. In the webseries, she is definitely less likable (arrogant, condescending, low empathy etc) but also more intriguing (to me.) Did Redemption take place before MotA? I've seen some contradicting statements on the timeline.

I still like Tallis, though. Just seems to me her defense mechanisms are working overtime in Redemption, and that she feels she has a lot to prove to the Qunari. I won't pass final judgment until the final episode. 

Modifié par Netem, 25 octobre 2011 - 10:23 .

[TEWR]

Netem wrote...

@ Northern Sun

Yeah, I've noted the inconsistency in Tallis' personality, too. In the DLC, she was a very sweet and snarky assassin with a lot of passion, e.g. prison cell conversation on Qunari. In the webseries, she is definitely less likable (arrogant, condescending, low empathy etc) but also more intriguing (to me.) Did Redemption take place before MotA? I've seen some contradicting statements on the timeline.

I still like Tallis, though. Just seems to me her defense mechanisms are working overtime in Redemption, and that she feels she has a lot to prove to the Qunari. I won't pass final judgment until the final episode. 

I wouldn't call it inconsistency. I'd call it character evolution since Redemption takes place prior to MotA.

Also, she's still snarky in Redemption.