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[JeffZero]

Fenderbaum wrote...

Then if Casey meant the same, why not use the same word I wonder hmmm?

Again, optimal and better...do not equal the same.

Regardless....as you have all conveniently ignored (as you all seem more intent on having a go at people than actually contributing to the thread)...my original concern seems to have been answered, so I actually have no issue with MP if that is the case.

Nah, I and several others are definitely doing what we can to contribute.

Anyway. http://dictionary.re.../browse/optimum

[didymos1120]

Fenderbaum wrote...

Again, optimal and better...do not equal the same.

Well, that's correct at least: optimal in the only sense that reasonably applies to the ending means "best".

[Il Divo]

Fenderbaum wrote...

Then if Casey meant the same, why not use the same word I wonder hmmm?

Again, optimal and better...do not equal the same.

Because luckily for all of us, the English language allows a diverse set of words to mean the same thing, similar to how we often use "good" and "nice" synonymously. I should also point out that Oxford literally defined 'optimal' as 'best', removing yet more credibility from your unsupported conclusion.

Regardless....as you have all conveniently ignored (as you all seem more intent on having a go at people than actually contributing to the thread)...my original concern seems to have been answered, so I actually have no issue with MP if that is the case.

You brought up the difference between optimal/best as a critical point to understanding the multiplayer issue. I was having a go at your arguments. If your concerns are dealt with, that's good to hear.

Modifié par Il Divo, 12 octobre 2011 - 06:54 .

[NOD-INFORMER37]

JeffZero wrote...

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

jadey wrote...

I play alone and im really worried, i might cancel my pre order and buy it a bit later when its cheaper, hopefully it will be just as good as the others. I just dont want to wast 70 pound and be disappointed like i was with dragon age, I know it was a diffrent team, but its still bioware and its a big change.70 pound is a lot of money if i dont like the game.

That's your choice, of course, but it is worth pointing out that you can play the co-op missions solo.

W8, where does it say you can play the mission solo?

this is awesome news....

Brenon Holmes, a Bioware developer, confirmed it in Bogsnot's "Multiplayer FAQ" thread recently.

kk thanx, I'll go check it out

[1136342t54_]

Fenderbaum wrote...

Then if Casey meant the same, why not use the same word I wonder hmmm?

Again, optimal and better...do not equal the same.

Regardless....as you have all conveniently ignored (as you all seem more intent on having a go at people than actually contributing to the thread)...my original concern seems to have been answered, so I actually have no issue with MP if that is the case.

So by attempting to correct you and actually providing a accurate definition of the word (not your own assumptions) is attacking you?

I'm still wondering where you are getting this definition of optimal from.

[Lard]

Wow. Online pass announced for ME3's multiplayer?

What a surprise!

I am genuinely shocked.

/sarcasm

[bigheadzach]

Reminder: All other things being equal, if you're not paying for the extra content that you're not going to play...

*shrug*

[Excalceo]

I'm actually pretty excited about this, I think co-op should have been an option ME2 since the gameplay almost naturally lends itself to it.  I wonder if they're going to include co-op conversations, or if it's just combat based?

I'm also pleased to hear that Bioware is splitting the efforts between their studios, I was worried the single-player would become a less focused endeavour but knowing that it's still going to have an entire studio staff devoted to it lays my aprehensions to rest

[1136342t54_]

voteDC wrote...

To be honest the more I hear I'm not seeing a strong story based co-op addition but a shallow 'Horde' mode added to sell map-packs.

I want to be wrong, I hope to whatever deity you chose to follow that I am.

*shrugs* I don't get map packs in most multiplayer games I have. For ME3 you don't even need to play MP let alone by any map packs.

[Lard]

Excalceo wrote...

I was worried the single-player would become a less focused endeavour

But it has with the inclusion of MP.

[DoomBlackDragon]

Wolf_in_the_Meadow wrote...

"Success in multi-player will have a direct impact on the outcome of the single player campaign"

I cannot adequately express my displeasure; needless to say, it exists in direct proportion to my boundless nerdrage.

In no way am I happy.

I may burn my CE when it arrives.

I do agree it feels like if I want to best ending for single player. I am going to be force to play the muiltiplayer.

Also how is this going effect my single player game? class based race? What where you thinking?

I am going to expect finishing ME3 in about 20 hours and get some you fail ending cause you did not spend 100 hours on muiltiplayer. Even if I did do the multiplayer thing. I dought my friends would be into winning and more into troll each other tring to ruin everyone story.

This is the worse and stupidest idea BW has created. Already feeling ME3 will be worse then ME2 story wise. Grrrr Biofailure.

[didymos1120]

Lard wrote...

Excalceo wrote...

I was worried the single-player would become a less focused endeavour

But it has with the inclusion of MP.

Please show your work.

[DarthSliver]

Well it sounds like Co-Op can be played alone and the lower your difficulty is set on the easier it will be for you to play it alone. I think my dreams of playing as an Asari will come true lol. I love those Blue Babes lol

But i think most fears about Co-Op can be put to rest and people can continue and wait for March to come, which seems to be taking forever now.

[didymos1120]

DoomBlackDragon wrote...

I do agree it feels like if I want to best ending for single player. I am going to be force to play the muiltiplayer.

Who wants to take this one?

[1136342t54_]

DoomBlackDragon wrote...

Wolf_in_the_Meadow wrote...

"Success in multi-player will have a direct impact on the outcome of the single player campaign"

I cannot adequately express my displeasure; needless to say, it exists in direct proportion to my boundless nerdrage.

In no way am I happy.

I may burn my CE when it arrives.

I do agree it feels like if I want to best ending for single player. I am going to be force to play the muiltiplayer.

Also how is this going effect my single player game? class based race? What where you thinking?

I am going to expect finishing ME3 in about 20 hours and get some you fail ending cause you did not spend 100 hours on muiltiplayer. Even if I did do the multiplayer thing. I dought my friends would be into winning and more into troll each other tring to ruin everyone story.

This is the worse and stupidest idea BW has created. Already feeling ME3 will be worse then ME2 story wise. Grrrr Biofailure.

Since Bioware said you can get the optimal ending by playing SP then that would logically mean that you can get the best ending playing SP!!!

[GLACIERxFREEZE]

Maybe Casey meant better as in....I played a total renegade and killed everyone and have no allies so it will be really hard for me to get the "optimum" ending of everyone surviving, etc. So by playing mp I can do extra things to help my war effort. Other than that....there is no way better can mean optimum +. Don't see what is so complicated...

[Bekkael]

I was excited to see the vid and hear about all the different races we can choose from for MP. My only problem will be how to pick from so many options.

[Il Divo]

didymos1120 wrote...

DoomBlackDragon wrote...

I do agree it feels like if I want to best ending for single player. I am going to be force to play the muiltiplayer.

Who wants to take this one?

Go for it. You've been lazy today.

Edit: Although it looks like the numbers guy got there first. Bloody robots.

Modifié par Il Divo, 12 octobre 2011 - 07:00 .

[Tugga_gott]

I think it sounds really good, co-op is fun in most games.

[1136342t54_]

didymos1120 wrote...

Lard wrote...

Excalceo wrote...

I was worried the single-player would become a less focused endeavour

But it has with the inclusion of MP.

Please show your work.

You really want people to show work? Bah! 

Onward with the Baseless assumptions!!!

[bigheadzach]

Lard wrote...

Excalceo wrote...

I was worried the single-player would become a less focused endeavour

But [I believe] it has with the inclusion of MP.

Fixed that for you.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Il Divo wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

You can't reconcile that with this: 

In the video, Casey Hudson says (at ~2:15) regarding assets and such, "... fighting to control those on the multiplayer side, and the better you do, the more you control, the better your single player ending will be."

They're talking both sides of the thing to try to sell it to the players how want MP while smokescreening the players who are worried about MP.  


You can't have it both ways, and based on what Hudson says there, MP will have a distinct effect on the SP campaign. 

It's easily reconciled. These are the relevant Bioware points/statements:

1) It is not necessary to play multiplayer in order to obtain the optimal ending.
2) Playing multiplayer will give you a better ending.

You've assumed that 2) is necessary for the best ending, despite 1) specifically stating it's not the case. It is a fact, based on that statement, that 2) will give the player the best ending. However, it has not been proven that single-player cannot do the same.

Playing MP will give you a better ending than what?  The obvious answer is "than not playing MP". 

No, it's not a logical derivation. Example: 

Let's say you're trying to go to Athens. And I tell you that path A will get you there. That does not mean that path B will not get you to Athens.

The two scenarios are not mutually exclusive. Stop presenting the statements as if they are. If multiplayer will give me the optimal single-player, then it will give me the optimal single-player. That statement is not equivalent to saying that the single-player cannot give the optimal ending, which Bioware has stated is possible.

It's the equivalent of my above example. Path A will get you to Athens does not mean that Path B will not get you to Athens.

And never mind what hotel you stay in or how much it costs...

In the video, Casey Hudson says (at ~2:15) regarding assets and such, "... fighting to control those on the multiplayer side, and the better you do, the more you control, the better your single player ending will be."

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 12 octobre 2011 - 07:03 .

[Excalceo]

Lard wrote...

Excalceo wrote...

I was worried the single-player would become a less focused endeavour

But it has with the inclusion of MP.

Okay...true, but only from a marketing stand point, not a development one.  The work-load between SP and MP is being equally divided between the Edmonton and Montreal studios.

[Il Divo]

Courtesy of Jarrett Lee:

That, sir, is the correct interpretation. I'm a little surprised that folks...don't, er, believe it?

You can get the optimal SP outcome by playing single-player alone. True story. Multiplayer is an alternative way to improve your Galactic Readiness Level heading into the final battles with the Reapers.

Link:

http://social.biowar...3/index/8498619

Modifié par Il Divo, 12 octobre 2011 - 07:04 .

[DarthSliver]

Lard wrote...

Wow. Online pass announced for ME3's multiplayer?

What a surprise!

I am genuinely shocked.

/sarcasm

Online pass is so you can play ME3 Co-Op online, most games have them. For people who buy use copies will have to pay like 10 dollars for one.