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[Someone With Mass]

DoomBlackDragon wrote...

Wolf_in_the_Meadow wrote...

"Success in multi-player will have a direct impact on the outcome of the single player campaign"

I cannot adequately express my displeasure; needless to say, it exists in direct proportion to my boundless nerdrage.

In no way am I happy.

I may burn my CE when it arrives.

I do agree it feels like if I want to best ending for single player. I am going to be force to play the muiltiplayer.

Also how is this going effect my single player game? class based race? What where you thinking?

I am going to expect finishing ME3 in about 20 hours and get some you fail ending cause you did not spend 100 hours on muiltiplayer. Even if I did do the multiplayer thing. I dought my friends would be into winning and more into troll each other tring to ruin everyone story.

This is the worse and stupidest idea BW has created. Already feeling ME3 will be worse then ME2 story wise. Grrrr Biofailure.

Oh for the love of God, READ UP, PEOPLE!

Every answer to all of this is on this forum and even the main page.

[1136342t54_]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

And never mind what hotel you stay in or how much it costs...

In the video, Casey Hudson says (at ~2:15) regarding assets and such, "... fighting to control those on the multiplayer side, and the better you do, the more you control, the better your single player ending will be."

Again Technically this is correct. If you haven't finished SP yet and want to play MP then your ending will be likely to get better. No where in that statement it says that it will be better than a SP only ending.

[Killjoy Cutter]

DarthSliver wrote...

Lard wrote...

Wow. Online pass announced for ME3's multiplayer?

What a surprise!

I am genuinely shocked.

/sarcasm

Online pass is so you can play ME3 Co-Op online, most games have them. For people who buy use copies will have to pay like 10 dollars for one.  

Yet another reason for EA to demand an MP/online "feature" for ME3. 

[JeffZero]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

You can't reconcile that with this: 

In the video, Casey Hudson says (at ~2:15) regarding assets and such, "... fighting to control those on the multiplayer side, and the better you do, the more you control, the better your single player ending will be."

They're talking both sides of the thing to try to sell it to the players how want MP while smokescreening the players who are worried about MP.  


You can't have it both ways, and based on what Hudson says there, MP will have a distinct effect on the SP campaign. 

It's easily reconciled. These are the relevant Bioware points/statements:

1) It is not necessary to play multiplayer in order to obtain the optimal ending.
2) Playing multiplayer will give you a better ending.

You've assumed that 2) is necessary for the best ending, despite 1) specifically stating it's not the case. It is a fact, based on that statement, that 2) will give the player the best ending. However, it has not been proven that single-player cannot do the same.

Playing MP will give you a better ending than what?  The obvious answer is "than not playing MP". 

No, it's not a logical derivation. Example: 

Let's say you're trying to go to Athens. And I tell you that path A will get you there. That does not mean that path B will not get you to Athens.

The two scenarios are not mutually exclusive. Stop presenting the statements as if they are. If multiplayer will give me the optimal single-player, then it will give me the optimal single-player. That statement is not equivalent to saying that the single-player cannot give the optimal ending, which Bioware has stated is possible.

It's the equivalent of my above example. Path A will get you to Athens does not mean that Path B will not get you to Athens.

And never mind what hotel you stay in or how much it costs...

In the video, Casey Hudson says (at ~2:15) regarding assets and such, "... fighting to control those on the multiplayer side, and the better you do, the more you control, the better your single player ending will be."

Go see what developer Jarret Lee just had to say in the multiplayer FAQ thread. Brenon Holmes too while you're at it.

[SynheKatze]

JamieCOTC wrote...

SynheKatze wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

*sigh*

Every time Casey says ME3 is the best place to start, I die a little more inside.

Yep. 

You actually do know that it's only marketing, don't you? If he said something among the lines of: 'yup, we've made this game so that you'll have no clue if you haven't played the previous games. So go ahead and give us moar money, please.'

Yes, I know it's total PR BS. That's why I agreed w/ shinobi602 in the first place.  I guess I'm just tired of BS.

Must be my angle, but I tend to give a crap when I can recognize I'm being told BS. Anyway, it's not so strange, every game developer uses such maneuvers, they might come under different forms, but it's always the same.

PS: What's with these forums? Jeez.

[DarthSliver]

Oh as for the video Chris posted, it may have been the same info but saw new stuff for ME3 lol.

[Killjoy Cutter]

1136342t54 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

And never mind what hotel you stay in or how much it costs...

In the video, Casey Hudson says (at ~2:15) regarding assets and such, "... fighting to control those on the multiplayer side, and the better you do, the more you control, the better your single player ending will be."

Again Technically this is correct. If you haven't finished SP yet and want to play MP then your ending will be likely to get better. No where in that statement it says that it will be better than a SP only ending.

Well, it would be nice if you're right, but you're really splitting hairs.  I don't have that much faith in people involved in marketing something.

[Pallid]

didymos1120 wrote...

DoomBlackDragon wrote...

I do agree it feels like if I want to best ending for single player. I am going to be force to play the muiltiplayer.

Who wants to take this one?

I am. Hey DoomBlackDragon, shut up...

[EchoSouls]

my god ME3 is goning to be the greatest game biowares every produced:D,
but i wonder if they would add an offline 'skirmirsh' mode with similar capabilities to online battles, only you fight on split screen or something against AI . . . or is that it too late for that ?

[Pani Mauser]

didymos1120 wrote...
When have they said it has no effect?  They've said it won't affect the quality of the single-player experience (take that with however many grains of salt you feel is necessary), but they've never said the co-op has no effects at all on single player.  Instead, they have said that you can achieve those same effects via alternate means in single-player without ever having to go near multiplayer. 

That's the root of the problem for me. If mp had no connection to the main game at all, and was just a deal for those who like to shoot random stuff (and maybe rewarding those who played it with a neat gun or armor you can import to the main game), I would be fine with it. 

But the way they put it,  that's not just a random meaningless shoot-them-all-with-your-friends anymore. Those mp characters are canonically helping Shepard in the war. So, they are part of the story, and if I don't play the coop, it means that in game universe my Shepards didn't bother to get all the allies they could.

Of course, it is optional, but so was having Wrex, Garrus or Tali on the team in ME1or getting Zaeed and Kasumi in ME2. You could get the very same endings without them, but it doesn't mean you got the very same game. 

For me It is not about getting the optimal ending or getting the assets. It is about experiencing the most of the story. And if by missing coop I miss having additional allies for my Shepards (even if they don't really need it), I feel punished storywise in SP game and I can't enjoy it to full extent. 
Why couldn't they make that coop as just a fully separate mode storywise...<_< 

[Il Divo]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...


And never mind what hotel you stay in or how much it costs...

In the video, Casey Hudson says (at ~2:15) regarding assets and such, "... fighting to control those on the multiplayer side, and the better you do, the more you control, the better your single player ending will be."

Again, I know what the statement is. I need you to do something more than quote it back at me, such as demonstrate how Hudson's statements, which you are referring to, makes multiplayer a necessity.

"Multiplayer will give you a better ending" still does not equal "only multiplayer will give you a better ending". Start with that. "Path A will get you to Athens" does not equal "only Path A will get you to Athens". You're making a very critical assumption in your logic train.

Modifié par Il Divo, 12 octobre 2011 - 07:10 .

[1136342t54_]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

And never mind what hotel you stay in or how much it costs...

In the video, Casey Hudson says (at ~2:15) regarding assets and such, "... fighting to control those on the multiplayer side, and the better you do, the more you control, the better your single player ending will be."

Again Technically this is correct. If you haven't finished SP yet and want to play MP then your ending will be likely to get better. No where in that statement it says that it will be better than a SP only ending.

Well, it would be nice if you're right, but you're really splitting hairs.  I don't have that much faith in people involved in marketing something.

No I'm not it is a logical conclusion based on what the other devs are saying.

[JeffZero]

EchoSouls wrote...

my god ME3 is goning to be the greatest game biowares every produced:D,
but i wonder if they would add an offline 'skirmirsh' mode with similar capabilities to online battles, only you fight on split screen or something against AI . . . or is that it too late for that ?

You can play the co-op missions solo, technically.

[Lard]

>Being able to explore and fight alongside your friends in the Mass Effect universe has always been something we thought would be fun and compelling, and many players have asked for it for a long time as well.

This is an outright lie. The majority of players want the game to remain single player.

>We have always maintained that we would only add multiplayer into the Mass Effect series if it made sense and did not compromise the power of the single player campaign.

This is also an outright lie as MP compromises the SP campaign every single time.

>Our priority and focus with Mass Effect 3 has and always will be to deliver a complete and satisfying single player experience.

This is yet another lie, as the experience is now incomplete with resources being taken away from the SP to work on the MP, and the SP experience being directly affected by the MP.

>What if I don't like multiplayer - will my experience be negatively impacted?

Of course it will - but Bioware will never admit it!

>We can't comment on specifics right now, but can confirm that we are planning on having DLC for Mass Effect 3.

Of course they will! Selling more DLC MP map packs is the reason why they added MP in the first place!


This is nothing more than damage control, just like DA2. If you have any brains, do not believe these outright lies.

[didymos1120]

Unexpected benefit of the forum going batty: that damn "1 new update(s)" thing that's been darkening my tabs for months finally went the hell away.

[JeffZero]

didymos1120 wrote...

Unexpected benefit of the forum going batty: that damn "1 new update(s)" thing that's been darkening my tabs for months finally went the hell away.

Haha.

[DarthSliver]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

Lard wrote...

Wow. Online pass announced for ME3's multiplayer?

What a surprise!

I am genuinely shocked.

/sarcasm

Online pass is so you can play ME3 Co-Op online, most games have them. For people who buy use copies will have to pay like 10 dollars for one.  

Yet another reason for EA to demand an MP/online "feature" for ME3. 

But you dont have to buy the game new to get the online pass, for explain Mortal Kombat 9 has the online pass and you can buy that online where the dlc is at.  It will work the same way Cerberus Network worked with ME2, if you buy it used you will have to pay for it.

[Il Divo]

didymos1120 wrote...

Unexpected benefit of the forum going batty: that damn "1 new update(s)" thing that's been darkening my tabs for months finally went the hell away.

It's been happening to me too. These forums need better quality control. It's almost like an Obsidian game.

[Sailears]

The PLC wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Including Elcor and Hanar?

...Never say never...

THERE'S STILL HOPE WE CAN PLAY AS HANAR YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hanar announced as DLC. Only 4000 ms-points

Would be an instant buy for me.

[EchoSouls]

JeffZero wrote...

You can play the co-op missions solo, technically.

good enough for me , thanx for the heads up

[JeffZero]

Lard wrote...

>Being able to explore and fight alongside your friends in the Mass Effect universe has always been something we thought would be fun and compelling, and many players have asked for it for a long time as well.

This is an outright lie. The majority of players want the game to remain single player.

>We have always maintained that we would only add multiplayer into the Mass Effect series if it made sense and did not compromise the power of the single player campaign.

This is also an outright lie as MP compromises the SP campaign every single time.

>Our priority and focus with Mass Effect 3 has and always will be to deliver a complete and satisfying single player experience.

This is yet another lie, as the experience is now incomplete with resources being taken away from the SP to work on the MP, and the SP experience being directly affected by the MP.

>What if I don't like multiplayer - will my experience be negatively impacted?

Of course it will - but Bioware will never admit it!

>We can't comment on specifics right now, but can confirm that we are planning on having DLC for Mass Effect 3.

Of course they will! Selling more DLC MP map packs is the reason why they added MP in the first place!


This is nothing more than damage control, just like DA2. If you have any brains, do not believe these outright lies.

You humans are all racist.

[Fenderbaum]

Give it up Killjoy...regardless of how many times we post Casey's 'own' words...they fail to see the difference and would rather just belittle you or post cute pictures instead

For the others...drive from Manchester to Norwich, even Google it on maps, or use MS Autoroute...and I guarantee you, optimal and best are two different routes...I know, I do it 5x yearly.

Now do you perhaps see the difference? Again, maybe Casey needs a better PR rep to write his blurb, or think more carefully about how he says something. He never said, optimal in MP...his words as Killjoy has repeated again for you were...better....NOT optimal in MP.

And with that, I'm out of this thread, as again, my only concern has been answered.

[JeffZero]

Fenderbaum wrote...

Give it up Killjoy...regardless of how many times we post Casey's 'own' words...they fail to see the difference and would rather just belittle you or post cute pictures instead

For the others...drive from Manchester to Norwich, even Google it on maps, or use MS Autoroute...and I guarantee you, optimal and best are two different routes...I know, I do it 5x yearly.

Now do you perhaps see the difference? Again, maybe Casey needs a better PR rep to write his blurb, or think more carefully about how he says something. He never said, optimal in MP...his words as Killjoy has repeated again for you were...better....NOT optimal in MP.

And with that, I'm out of this thread, as again, my only concern has been answered.

Bye.

[Someone With Mass]

didymos1120 wrote...

Unexpected benefit of the forum going batty: that damn "1 new update(s)" thing that's been darkening my tabs for months finally went the hell away.

You're lucky. I have three.

[addiction21]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

In the video, Casey Hudson says (at ~2:15) regarding assets and such, "... fighting to control those on the multiplayer side, and the better you do, the more you control, the better your single player ending will be."

Amusing how you are conveintly leaving the rest out. What does he explain imediatly after that?