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[didymos1120]

Gatt9 wrote...

 If I don't cancel my preorder,  this will be the last EA game I ever buy.

Honestly, I'm quite surprised you'd even preordered at all, much less have yet to cancel.  Not trying to get in a dig, either.  That was genuinely unexpected.

[jeweledleah]

didymos1120 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

in every single bioware game so far - side missions contributed to the epilogue....

Well, except ME1 and ME2.

I concider thank you e-mails and mission summaries to be a sort of equivalent.

[Kasai666]

didymos1120 wrote...
Look, it just does, OK.  Why can't you just be satisfied with that?  WHY?!?!?!?!?

Because we are on BSN. You know how this place works, I know how this place works. Logic and this community do not mix well. Kinda like lava and butterflies. 

[NOD-INFORMER37]

DeltaPhoenix08 wrote...

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

DeltaPhoenix08 wrote...

First time posting here.

I was super psyched for ME3 and pre-ordered ages ago. Then I heard about MP and I flipped out (before I knew any details). Then I read the FAQ and continued to flip out and cancelled my pre-order. Then I watched the video and read the "somewhat" updated FAQ and still flipped out.

I have finally calmed down enough now to be rational (well a little at least)

I have not preordered the game again.

I am not interested at all in the MP. I understand that the ability to affect the SP by MP is optional, however I think that even the inclusion of that is a mistake. The existence of the MP makes me not want to play it at all (ok thats not very rational), so I won't.

Maybe some time in the future when I stop nerd raging and being so butthurt I'll play it, but for now, no thanks.

To me, Shepherd defeated the Collectors and then flew to some tropical planet to live with Miranda and Liara happily ever after.

I understand why ppl are upset about this (I sure as hell was, still cautiously keeping hope) but dont you want to see how the rest of the story goes? Isnt it worse to ignore the last story of the trilogy completely than to deal with some multiplayer?  :S 

Not flaming, just wondering.

probably.
like i say i can recognize that I am not being rational, but its kind of the principle for me. They said no multiplayer. I dont think its in the spirit of the game to include MP.  And I'm still not 100% convinced that by avoiding MP I won't miss out on anything.

I will most likely play it, but not for a while after release. Once the price drops and after I've talked to buddies of mine who have played it and can let me know exactly what the MP does and doesn't do.

Ah ok then I understand.

Yeah multiplayer really isnt what Mass Effect is, its not even remotely what interests the fans. But of course they added it anyway.(thanx EA >->)

I have a good feeling about this though, maybe I'm being too optimistic but this is only co-op and none of that retarded PvP crap. Plus we get to play it single player, which is even better. What would make it the most acceptable to me is if they added bots as well (instead of relying on other ppl) and most importantly adding an option to NOT affect story mode if we choose to. Whether we'll be able to experience the story to its fullest without multi idk......and everyone dont say that just because "because Bioware said so" we can play single player to its fullest, their recent trend of lying is to be shouldnt be taken lightly lol.
 
But anyways, I'll probably end up getting the game new and imma gonna check out the multi right away before I start story mode so it wont mess it up. I'll let you know what to expect. =P

[bigheadzach]

weremutt wrote...

I was under the impression that this was a single player experience and I feel that this has been robbed of me. If not playing Multiplayer is truly an option I will be extremely happy. 

Then you should be extremely happy, because multiplayer is optional.

[Iakus]

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

I understand why ppl are upset about this (I sure as hell was, still cautiously keeping hope) but dont you want to see how the rest of the story goes? Isnt it worse to ignore the last story of the trilogy completely than to deal with some multiplayer?  :S 

Not flaming, just wondering.

It is tempting.  We've come this far...

But on the other hand, giving in may just encourage Bioware to do this to other games.

Do we really want to see a repeat of this in DA3?

[didymos1120]

jeweledleah wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

in every single bioware game so far - side missions contributed to the epilogue....

Well, except ME1 and ME2.

I concider thank you e-mails and mission summaries to be a sort of equivalent.

Huh.  Yeah, now that you mention it...

[NOD-INFORMER37]

iakus wrote...

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

I understand why ppl are upset about this (I sure as hell was, still cautiously keeping hope) but dont you want to see how the rest of the story goes? Isnt it worse to ignore the last story of the trilogy completely than to deal with some multiplayer?  :S 

Not flaming, just wondering.

It is tempting.  We've come this far...

But on the other hand, giving in may just encourage Bioware to do this to other games.

Do we really want to see a repeat of this in DA3?

Thats true, I never played the D.A series but encouraging Bioware to do the same to that series (and to future ones) will leave me feeling guilty. xP

If by time the game comes out and and its as bad as we all fear, then lets all buy the game second hand(or pirate it I guess ) Hopefully Bioware would come to their senses and resist the evil influence of Electronic A-holes.

[Savber100]

iakus wrote...

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

I understand why ppl are upset about this (I sure as hell was, still cautiously keeping hope) but dont you want to see how the rest of the story goes? Isnt it worse to ignore the last story of the trilogy completely than to deal with some multiplayer?  :S 

Not flaming, just wondering.

It is tempting.  We've come this far...

But on the other hand, giving in may just encourage Bioware to do this to other games.

Do we really want to see a repeat of this in DA3?

Coop in DA3 similar to Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights? Hell yeah...

[Iakus]

Gatt9 wrote...

This whole racket only works is if the work to achieve Optimal without multiplayer is so difficult that most people would rather cough up the money to avoid it.  Such as a galaxy full of missions and artifacts randomly distributed through 50 different worlds that must be explored in some tedious manner.  Is it possible?  Sure.  Is it reasonable?  No.

By the Enkindlers, multiplayer or the return of the HammerHead?

I wouldn't be able to cancel an order fast enough.

Modifié par iakus, 13 octobre 2011 - 04:24 .

[Iakus]

Savber100 wrote...

iakus wrote...

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

I understand why ppl are upset about this (I sure as hell was, still cautiously keeping hope) but dont you want to see how the rest of the story goes? Isnt it worse to ignore the last story of the trilogy completely than to deal with some multiplayer?  :S 

Not flaming, just wondering.

It is tempting.  We've come this far...

But on the other hand, giving in may just encourage Bioware to do this to other games.

Do we really want to see a repeat of this in DA3?

Coop in DA3 similar to Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights? Hell yeah...

//headdesk 

[DeltaPhoenix08]

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

Ah ok then I understand.

Yeah multiplayer really isnt what Mass Effect is, its not even remotely what interests the fans. But of course they added it anyway.(thanx EA >->)

I have a good feeling about this though, maybe I'm being too optimistic but this is only co-op and none of that retarded PvP crap. Plus we get to play it single player, which is even better. What would make it the most acceptable to me is if they added bots as well (instead of relying on other ppl) and most importantly adding an option to NOT affect story mode if we choose to. Whether we'll be able to experience the story to its fullest without multi idk......and everyone dont say that just because "because Bioware said so" we can play single player to its fullest, their recent trend of lying is to be shouldnt be taken lightly lol.
 
But anyways, I'll probably end up getting the game new and imma gonna check out the multi right away before I start story mode so it wont mess it up. I'll let you know what to expect. =P

i'm sure it will be fine. im sure the game will be amazing and i bet the co-op will even be fun, but right now i'm too annoyed to care.

i will definitely be checking up with skeptics and believers alike once the game is released to see how it fares.

[Savber100]

iakus wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

iakus wrote...

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

I understand why ppl are upset about this (I sure as hell was, still cautiously keeping hope) but dont you want to see how the rest of the story goes? Isnt it worse to ignore the last story of the trilogy completely than to deal with some multiplayer?  :S 

Not flaming, just wondering.

It is tempting.  We've come this far...

But on the other hand, giving in may just encourage Bioware to do this to other games.

Do we really want to see a repeat of this in DA3?

Coop in DA3 similar to Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights? Hell yeah...

//headdesk 

*hands a tissue to stop the bleeding on Iakus' forehead*

Aw.. It's not going to be THAT bad. Bioware has already entered the foray of MP with Baldur's Gate and NWN. Where those games bad? :innocent:

[bigheadzach]

Gatt9 wrote...

You're making the assumption that single players can achieve the optimal ending with a reasonable amount of effort,  which is highly unlikely.  Since the whole purpose of this is to extort payment from people who bought the game used...

Conjecture, and conjecture.

"Extort payment from people who bought the game used?". Well, that and prevent piracy. But you're obsessed with making EA the dark overlord who doesn't care if you know their intent is to rip you off. It's not like they're in the business of making entertainment. If they just wanted to take your money, they'd send goons to your house.

Threatening to pirate or boycott the game does not hurt EA - they have lots of cash. It only hurts the developer who doesn't get a second chance if their game doesn't sell.

This whole racket only works is if the work to achieve Optimal without multiplayer is so difficult that most people would rather cough up the money to avoid it.  Such as a galaxy full of missions and artifacts randomly distributed through 50 different worlds that must be explored in some tedious manner.  Is it possible?  Sure.  Is it reasonable?  No.

Once again, more wild assumptions based on your very pessimistic (and rather paranoid) perception of EA.

"Racket". Really? Still calling this organized crime? Wow, dude. No one is having their legs broken or their dogs murdered over this.

The assumption that this is implemented in a fair and reasonable manner has yet to be proven,  and logically,  given the whole purpose of Multiplayer and Online Pass,  it's incredibly unlikely that the assumption will prove true.

The purpose of multiplayer is to allow people to play the game together. The purpose of Online Pass is to enforce the price of the game against resellers, yes. It also adds a level of piracy protection by requiring all MP users to register with EA as owners of the game. If the online code that comes with the game could be de-registered (something Amazon allows with its Kindles when you give them to a friend), this would be a non-issue.

Game reselling is like chopping up dead bodies and selling them to disreputable doctors and scientists. Grisly and questionable practices.

People keep making the mistake of thinking Bioware added multiplayer because either "It's a fun feature" or "It's something people wanted".  Neither of those is the reason,  and EA's pretty much blatantly stated it.  The whole purpose behind it is to sell used game buyers Online Passes,  which means that it will not be reasonably avoidable.

If there was a way for a player of a new game to transfer his free "online pass" to someone else when he sold the game, would you still complain?

Please take this line of debate to a topic dedicated to the discussion of Origin. Bioware has no control over this part of the game. And since Casey Hudson has said that MP was considered from the beginning of the trilogy, this is not the simple "Hide yo kids, hide yo wife, and hide yo wallets too cuz EA be ripping errbody off out there" grand conspiracy you so desire it to be to satisfy some internal struggle with universal truth.

Lighten up, Francis.

Modifié par bigheadzach, 13 octobre 2011 - 04:35 .

[Thompson family]

Gatt9 wrote...

You're making the assumption that single players can achieve the optimal ending with a reasonable amount of effort,  which is highly unlikely.

You can't achieve the optimal result in ME1 or 2 with only a "reasonable" amount of effort -- especially ME1. You have to play through several times just to get a level 60 character with fully upgraded charm and intimidate without spending points on them. There was never anything "reasonable" about getting an optimum result before. So why should ME3 be any different?

Since the whole purpose of this is to extort payment from people who bought the game used,  it's very likely that single players cannot achieve the optimal ending they would've had sans MP.

Circular argument that uses your contention as a premise.

This whole racket only works is if the work to achieve Optimal without multiplayer is so difficult that most people would rather cough up the money to avoid it.  Such as a galaxy full of missions and artifacts randomly distributed through 50 different worlds that must be explored in some tedious manner.  Is it possible?  Sure.  Is it reasonable?  No.

Well, I don't have the priviledge of speaking for the whole gaming community. I only get to speak for myself. I intend to explore every single nook and cranny -- single player first, then MP too. If people would rather skip much of that or just like MP, I don't see the problem. People on this forum have asked for this feature for years. I haven't been one of them, but can think of no reason not to give it to them.

The assumption that this is implemented in a fair and reasonable manner has yet to be proven,  and logically,  given the whole purpose of Multiplayer and Online Pass,  it's incredibly unlikely that the assumption will prove true.

The assumption that this is merely a rip-off has yet to be proven also.

People keep making the mistake of thinking Bioware added multiplayer because either "It's a fun feature" or "It's something people wanted".  Neither of those is the reason,  and EA's pretty much blatantly stated it.

Quote, please.

The whole purpose behind it is to sell used game buyers Online Passes,  which means that it will not be reasonably avoidable.

Not if you buy a used game, that's true.

I'm not trying to be contrarian. I simply tried to play Ubisoft games where getting past the DRM was an absolute nightmare (not so much for me, but for people posting on the forums. And even I stopped buying their games, mainly because they kept releasing them in an incomplete state and because their DRM was entirely unreasonable.) BioWare's method is an improvement, and complaining that there should be no such protection is useless. I'd rather pay BioWare than Gamestop, which made a killing off used games. We aren't really arguing about gamer "freedom" here. We're arguing about who gets to rip us off. the developer or the retailer. Frankly, I'd rather pay the developer.

Every game, however good, is headed to the bargain bin. If you don't want to pay full price, or are unable to as I was for much of my gaming life, be patient. Most of my collection was amassed by waiting until the games were marked down to $5. One of the very, very few games for which I pay full price is the Mass Effect series. In fact, come to think of it, it's the only one left after the "Total War" series took a false turn into the gunpowder age.

[Jux2p0ze]

Bioware: I love the multiplayer aspect of the game. It finally gives me and my fragfest buddies a means to interact within the ME background. More importantly, it's a means to show your game progress and enrich one's personal gaming experience by interacting with others. Anyone who's done old-fashioned pencil and paper RPGs can appreciate that it's a social event first, and now we get to swap the proverbial war stories at the space pub.

In fact, I hope to see something unique like a Citadel bulletin board in game: "Away Team 07 requesting 1 more Agent with long range capabilities; deployment @2100." or one where the variety of other agents (along with yours) influences the degree of success for the various species i.e. Asari and Krogans have a large make-up in your teams resulting in Human/Asari/Krogan reps on the Citadel Council.

Keep up the good work, stay positive.

[NOD-INFORMER37]

DeltaPhoenix08 wrote...

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

Ah ok then I understand.

Yeah multiplayer really isnt what Mass Effect is, its not even remotely what interests the fans. But of course they added it anyway.(thanx EA >->)

I have a good feeling about this though, maybe I'm being too optimistic but this is only co-op and none of that retarded PvP crap. Plus we get to play it single player, which is even better. What would make it the most acceptable to me is if they added bots as well (instead of relying on other ppl) and most importantly adding an option to NOT affect story mode if we choose to. Whether we'll be able to experience the story to its fullest without multi idk......and everyone dont say that just because "because Bioware said so" we can play single player to its fullest, their recent trend of lying is to be shouldnt be taken lightly lol.
 
But anyways, I'll probably end up getting the game new and imma gonna check out the multi right away before I start story mode so it wont mess it up. I'll let you know what to expect. =P

i'm sure it will be fine. im sure the game will be amazing and i bet the co-op will even be fun, but right now i'm too annoyed to care.

i will definitely be checking up with skeptics and believers alike once the game is released to see how it fares.

Cool, hopefully the game will turn out to be a great experience and we'll all be laughing about how worried were. (:]

Modifié par NOD-INFORMER37, 13 octobre 2011 - 04:32 .

[Iakus]

Savber100 wrote...

*hands a tissue to stop the bleeding on Iakus' forehead*

Aw.. It's not going to be THAT bad. Bioware has already entered the foray of MP with Baldur's Gate and NWN. Where those games bad? :innocent:

BG is not known for it's multiplayer, it's known for having an incredibly epic single-player storyline the likes of which haven't been seen in a decade.  If DA3 (or any other Bioware game) had a 50 hour+ epic storyline of that kind of quality,  it would be worth it.

But that's not gonna happen.  Those days are behind us, given the changes from DAO to DA2.

NWN's's single player storyline is one of the weakest Bioware has ever done.  You need the expansions to really get good storytelling out of it.  The big draw it had was modding tools, so peple could create their own dungeons for people to crawl around in.  That's something else who's days are probably long past.

[didymos1120]

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

Hopefully Bioware would come to their senses and resist the evil influence of Electronic A-holes.

While I understand the sentiment, I really wish people would stop saying stuff like this.  Bioware is not going to mount some sort of revolt because EA OWNS THEM.  The only (rather unlikely) way this could happen is if there were a mass exodus of employees in that division.  But that wouldn't fix a damn thing.  It'd just scatter all those people to the industry winds.

[bigheadzach]

didymos1120 wrote...

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

Hopefully Bioware would come to their senses and resist the evil influence of Electronic A-holes.

While I understand the sentiment, I really wish people would stop saying stuff like this.  Bioware is not going to mount some sort of revolt because EA OWNS THEM.  The only (rather unlikely) way this could happen is if there were a mass exodus of employees in that division.  But that wouldn't fix a damn thing.  It'd just scatter all those people to the industry winds.

This. If you want a real game industry scandal, all you need do is look at the plights of Infinity Ward/Respawn, or Team Bondi.

[dreman9999]

iakus wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

*hands a tissue to stop the bleeding on Iakus' forehead*

Aw.. It's not going to be THAT bad. Bioware has already entered the foray of MP with Baldur's Gate and NWN. Where those games bad? :innocent:

BG is not known for it's multiplayer, it's known for having an incredibly epic single-player storyline the likes of which haven't been seen in a decade.  If DA3 (or any other Bioware game) had a 50 hour+ epic storyline of that kind of quality,  it would be worth it.

But that's not gonna happen.  Those days are behind us, given the changes from DAO to DA2.

NWN's's single player storyline is one of the weakest Bioware has ever done.  You need the expansions to really get good storytelling out of it.  The big draw it had was modding tools, so peple could create their own dungeons for people to crawl around in.  That's something else who's days are probably long past.

So what? It had MP and the mp did not distract from the sp experiance. That the point we are trying to make. And it's clear with Swtor that Bioware wants to go into the mp area.
Also, NWN was never made to be a sp game. It was made as a mp where you make and play other people dungeons. That was what so spcial about it.

[NOD-INFORMER37]

didymos1120 wrote...

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

Hopefully Bioware would come to their senses and resist the evil influence of Electronic A-holes.

While I understand the sentiment, I really wish people would stop saying stuff like this.  Bioware is not going to mount some sort of revolt because EA OWNS THEM.  The only (rather unlikely) way this could happen is if there were a mass exodus of employees in that division.  But that wouldn't fix a damn thing.  It'd just scatter all those people to the industry winds.

I know, I'm just kinda pissed that one of the few good remaining story-driven companies joined with up EA.

I knew that the day Bioware joined with EA, something truly bad was gonna happen. And now we gamers stand on the brink of wondering what the outcome will be. :S

Its almost like Deus Ex

"It is a time of great innovation
And threequals
Its also a time where Mass Effect is getting multiplayer
EA has more power than Bioware.
I never asked for this...."
 
xP

Modifié par NOD-INFORMER37, 13 octobre 2011 - 04:45 .

[DeltaPhoenix08]

Lol at myself.

After reading and re-reading everything about this MP again and again and again I'm ready to admit I overreacted. I'm ready to admit I was being a child. I was being a fool. I was being spoilt and self righteous and all for no good reason other than misguided sense of ownership over Mass Effect and a misguided dislike of MP.

I'm also ready to admit that based on all the evidence presented thus far, the MP actually looks fairly epic. Add that to the doubtlessly epic SP campaign and colour me excited again.

I have re-pre-ordered and am once again anxiously waiting until March.

I've also announced this on twitter and facebook, and man oh man I know my friends and not going to let me live it down easy. I have spammed twitter and facebook for the last two days with so much bile and righteous indignation, I'm lucky they all didnt un-friend me.

But anyways.

Hooray for Mass Effect.
Hooray for Co-op.

Sincerely,
A convert

[JeffZero]

DeltaPhoenix08 wrote...

Lol at myself.

After reading and re-reading everything about this MP again and again and again I'm ready to admit I overreacted. I'm ready to admit I was being a child. I was being a fool. I was being spoilt and self righteous and all for no good reason other than misguided sense of ownership over Mass Effect and a misguided dislike of MP.

I'm also ready to admit that based on all the evidence presented thus far, the MP actually looks fairly epic. Add that to the doubtlessly epic SP campaign and colour me excited again.

I have re-pre-ordered and am once again anxiously waiting until March.

I've also announced this on twitter and facebook, and man oh man I know my friends and not going to let me live it down easy. I have spammed twitter and facebook for the last two days with so much bile and righteous indignation, I'm lucky they all didnt un-friend me.

But anyways.

Hooray for Mass Effect.
Hooray for Co-op.

Sincerely,
A convert

Heheh. Well uh, I'm happy for ya. 

[NOD-INFORMER37]

DeltaPhoenix08 wrote...

Lol at myself.

After reading and re-reading everything about this MP again and again and again I'm ready to admit I overreacted. I'm ready to admit I was being a child. I was being a fool. I was being spoilt and self righteous and all for no good reason other than misguided sense of ownership over Mass Effect and a misguided dislike of MP.

I'm also ready to admit that based on all the evidence presented thus far, the MP actually looks fairly epic. Add that to the doubtlessly epic SP campaign and colour me excited again.

I have re-pre-ordered and am once again anxiously waiting until March.

I've also announced this on twitter and facebook, and man oh man I know my friends and not going to let me live it down easy. I have spammed twitter and facebook for the last two days with so much bile and righteous indignation, I'm lucky they all didnt un-friend me.

But anyways.

Hooray for Mass Effect.
Hooray for Co-op.

Sincerely,
A convert

Thats the spirit!

Mass Effect 3 will be awesome, I know it, co-op definatly wont ruin this kickass series, it may be even be a great thing.

Heres a random song to celebrate your return

Modifié par NOD-INFORMER37, 13 octobre 2011 - 05:09 .