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[DeltaPhoenix08]

It feels much better to not be burdened by irrational and unreasonable hatred and fanboy logic.

[didymos1120]

DeltaPhoenix08 wrote...

I have re-pre-ordered and am once again anxiously waiting until March.

Dear BSN,

Please don't pile on with a bunch of "SEE! I KNEW IT!" posts.

[Iakus]

dreman9999 wrote...

iakus wrote...

BG is not known for it's multiplayer, it's known for having an incredibly epic single-player storyline the likes of which haven't been seen in a decade.  If DA3 (or any other Bioware game) had a 50 hour+ epic storyline of that kind of quality,  it would be worth it.

But that's not gonna happen.  Those days are behind us, given the changes from DAO to DA2.

NWN's's single player storyline is one of the weakest Bioware has ever done.  You need the expansions to really get good storytelling out of it.  The big draw it had was modding tools, so peple could create their own dungeons for people to crawl around in.  That's something else who's days are probably long past.

So what? It had MP and the mp did not distract from the sp experiance. That the point we are trying to make. And it's clear with Swtor that Bioware wants to go into the mp area.
Also, NWN was never made to be a sp game. It was made as a mp where you make and play other people dungeons. That was what so spcial about it.

So, will ME3 have a 50+ hour epic single player adventure, the likes of which have not been seen in a decade or more?  That's how I'd know the MP aspect didn't distract from the SP game.

If Bioware want to do multiplayer, that's fine. But do it in seperate games.  Because resources are finite, and eventually a choice will have to be made.  I don't think any of us will like the results of that choice.

NWN: that's the point.  The SP was nothing to write home about.  Can you really fit two picinics in one basket?

[Robuthad]

didymos1120 wrote...

DeltaPhoenix08 wrote...

I have re-pre-ordered and am once again anxiously waiting until March.

Dear BSN,

Please don't pile on with a bunch of "SEE! I KNEW IT!" posts.

Its like they are Pre-Re-Pre ordering it.
Or Re-Pre-Pre-ordering it
or Pre-Pre-Re-ordering it hahah

[DeltaPhoenix08]

SEE I KNEW IT!

[Melchiah109]

SEE! I KNEW IT!

edit : aww...I was late to the party.

Modifié par Melchiah109, 13 octobre 2011 - 05:26 .

[lobi]

I just hope there is not crap all over the hud. I like that ME is Cinematic and would be pretty angry if they turn it into Borderlands.
Oh yeah, TOLD YA SO!

Modifié par lobi, 13 octobre 2011 - 05:28 .

[Melchiah109]

lobi wrote...

I just hope there is not crap all over the hud. I like that ME is Cinematic and would be pretty angry if they turn it into Borderlands.

What's wrong with Borderlands?

[DeltaPhoenix08]

In my case it's more like "Re-Re" pre-ordering it
alls i can do is laugh at myself.
if anyone still on the other side needs a sponsor, i'm here. haha

[Nayt Navare]

Have they said how we can see the Galactic Readiness yet? Devs, if you're still working through this, feel free to say you can't comment, I'll understand the code phrase.

Oh, and a slight rant from a usually composed poster after watching the Pulse video- YOU DO NOT NEED TO TELL US WHAT IS NEXT ON A 5 MINUTE VIDEO!  Seriously, it annoys me to no end when IGN CREATES AN ARTICLE TO TELL ME WHEN AN ARTICLE IS COMING, and you don't need to spend 30 seconds previewing  and 20 seconds summarizing what is less than 5 minutes.  JUST DO IT or notify me via text, tweet, or blurb.

Sigh, sorry, rant over. 

Modifié par SE JN, 13 octobre 2011 - 05:37 .

[jeweledleah]

DeltaPhoenix08 wrote...

It feels much better to not be burdened by irrational and unreasonable hatred and fanboy logic.

personaly, my dislike for multiplayer is neither illogical nor irrational. the only reason I'm concidering pre-ordering again is becasue MP mission are currently confirmed to be available solo - which means I won't be missing any content.  however, I need more information on game mechanics for both before deciding wither to give bioware full price of the game or wait untill it goes on sale. 

I'm not worried about finding out the end of Shepard's story.  the web will be abuzz with spoilers in a matter of days - videos, cutscenes, dialogues, guides to paragon/renegade, galactic readiness, which character play how big of a role, romances both new and old - it will all be available online to be spoiled at leasure.  so I'm not worried.  I'll see how it ends one way or another. I just want to know if its worth including into my limited budget.  next few weeks should give me a good idea.

[JeffZero]

jeweledleah wrote...
I'm not worried about finding out the end of Shepard's story.  the web will be abuzz with spoilers in a matter of days - videos, cutscenes, dialogues, guides to paragon/renegade, galactic readiness, which character play how big of a role, romances both new and old - it will all be available online to be spoiled at leasure.  so I'm not worried.  I'll see how it ends one way or another. I just want to know if its worth including into my limited budget.  next few weeks should give me a good idea.

But leah, it isn't terribly important to you that your Shepard(s) experience that resolution? Finding out the general gist of the spoilers is truly enough for you, even despite all the hours you've spent involved in the overall fandom? I know this post might sound kinda strange, but surely you know what I mean -- don't you have something of a personal connection to at least one file?

[lobi]

Melchiah109 wrote...

lobi wrote...

I just hope there is not crap all over the hud. I like that ME is Cinematic and would be pretty angry if they turn it into Borderlands.

What's wrong with Borderlands?

All those dumb numbers and lables for items and guns popping up on the screen ruining the art and distracting from the combat. I know it's subjective and all that but it annoys me. It's bearable in a non-Cine art but ME is very Cinematic and it would ruin it.

Modifié par lobi, 13 octobre 2011 - 05:34 .

[sp0ck 06]

iakus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

iakus wrote...

BG is not known for it's multiplayer, it's known for having an incredibly epic single-player storyline the likes of which haven't been seen in a decade.  If DA3 (or any other Bioware game) had a 50 hour+ epic storyline of that kind of quality,  it would be worth it.

But that's not gonna happen.  Those days are behind us, given the changes from DAO to DA2.

NWN's's single player storyline is one of the weakest Bioware has ever done.  You need the expansions to really get good storytelling out of it.  The big draw it had was modding tools, so peple could create their own dungeons for people to crawl around in.  That's something else who's days are probably long past.

So what? It had MP and the mp did not distract from the sp experiance. That the point we are trying to make. And it's clear with Swtor that Bioware wants to go into the mp area.
Also, NWN was never made to be a sp game. It was made as a mp where you make and play other people dungeons. That was what so spcial about it.

So, will ME3 have a 50+ hour epic single player adventure, the likes of which have not been seen in a decade or more?  That's how I'd know the MP aspect didn't distract from the SP game.

If Bioware want to do multiplayer, that's fine. But do it in seperate games.  Because resources are finite, and eventually a choice will have to be made.  I don't think any of us will like the results of that choice.

NWN: that's the point.  The SP was nothing to write home about.  Can you really fit two picinics in one basket?

They've said ME3's single player will be roughly the length of ME2's.  So 25-30 hours probably, which is excellent these days.

I had the same worry about them wasting potential SP resources on MP, but they've said the MP was developed and built by a separate team, so no argument there.

ME3 is not like NWN because its the third act of an already established storyline.  I mean they created this story and universe.  You really think they're going to let the finale suck?  Its' their baby as much as its our fancy.

[DeltaPhoenix08]

jeweledleah wrote...

DeltaPhoenix08 wrote...

It feels much better to not be burdened by irrational and unreasonable hatred and fanboy logic.

personaly, my dislike for multiplayer is neither illogical nor irrational. the only reason I'm concidering pre-ordering again is becasue MP mission are currently confirmed to be available solo - which means I won't be missing any content.  however, I need more information on game mechanics for both before deciding wither to give bioware full price of the game or wait untill it goes on sale. 

I'm not worried about finding out the end of Shepard's story.  the web will be abuzz with spoilers in a matter of days - videos, cutscenes, dialogues, guides to paragon/renegade, galactic readiness, which character play how big of a role, romances both new and old - it will all be available online to be spoiled at leasure.  so I'm not worried.  I'll see how it ends one way or another. I just want to know if its worth including into my limited budget.  next few weeks should give me a good idea.

sorry mate. i wasn't saying that everyone against  the MP was being illogical or irrational. I know personally I was. I'm sure lots of people do have legitimate reasons which they are entitled to. I just really didn't.

Modifié par DeltaPhoenix08, 13 octobre 2011 - 05:35 .

[Melchiah109]

lobi wrote...

Melchiah109 wrote...

lobi wrote...

I just hope there is not crap all over the hud. I like that ME is Cinematic and would be pretty angry if they turn it into Borderlands.

What's wrong with Borderlands?

All those dumb numbers and lables for items and guns popping up on the screen ruining the art and distracting from the combat. I know it's subjective and all that but it annoys me.

Ok yeah, that I can see. I thought you was talking about how the health and ammo and stuff was put up on the hud.

[JeffZero]

iakus wrote...
So, will ME3 have a 50+ hour epic single player adventure, the likes of which have not been seen in a decade or more?

That's going to be really, really subjective.

I mean, don't get me wrong, based on some of your posts to this end I get the feeling we sort of tend to agree that this kind of thing has largely vanished from the industry and we're probably both a bit upset about it. I tend to view the Mass Effect trilogy as reaching that level of win because it's all one story, which, yes, I realize that ups the pricetag of said single story tremendously but that's how I see things.

[Robuthad]

If you really take your time on things and go slow enough to appreciate things and do all side missions and collect everything and see everywhere, talk to everyone..I'm sure we could all drag out ME3 to a nice 40-45 hours maybe 50 if you try

[dreman9999]

iakus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

iakus wrote...

BG is not known for it's multiplayer, it's known for having an incredibly epic single-player storyline the likes of which haven't been seen in a decade.  If DA3 (or any other Bioware game) had a 50 hour+ epic storyline of that kind of quality,  it would be worth it.

But that's not gonna happen.  Those days are behind us, given the changes from DAO to DA2.

NWN's's single player storyline is one of the weakest Bioware has ever done.  You need the expansions to really get good storytelling out of it.  The big draw it had was modding tools, so peple could create their own dungeons for people to crawl around in.  That's something else who's days are probably long past.

So what? It had MP and the mp did not distract from the sp experiance. That the point we are trying to make. And it's clear with Swtor that Bioware wants to go into the mp area.
Also, NWN was never made to be a sp game. It was made as a mp where you make and play other people dungeons. That was what so spcial about it.

So, will ME3 have a 50+ hour epic single player adventure, the likes of which have not been seen in a decade or more?  That's how I'd know the MP aspect didn't distract from the SP game.

If Bioware want to do multiplayer, that's fine. But do it in seperate games.  Because resources are finite, and eventually a choice will have to be made.  I don't think any of us will like the results of that choice.

NWN: that's the point.  The SP was nothing to write home about.  Can you really fit two picinics in one basket?

Let's see....ME1 didn't have mulitplayer and it only had 40 + hours....If you did everything. With ME2 it was 50
+........The same team that worked on the sp of ME2 is focusing on the sp only in ME3....So, yes it will be 50
+.....
As for recources, it not as finite as you think. They have the resourses of EA with other EA studios helping them like DICE. They are not going to run out of recourses. The only thing to be conserned about is the time limit they have to make  it....And with the game coming out in March and the sp team only working on the sp, and the fact that the game was delay after it's stated time of a fall realse.....It's clear they have plenty of time.
 
The reason Why NWN main story was not great is because the team was conserned about the MP only. It''s D&D in digital form. They wanted to work on the mp D&D aspect of it, not work on a great story. The team working on the sp aspect of ME3 is not conserned with the mp, that job is with another team.

Modifié par dreman9999, 13 octobre 2011 - 05:38 .

[JeffZero]

Robuthad wrote...

If you really take your time on things and go slow enough to appreciate things and do all side missions and collect everything and see everywhere, talk to everyone..I'm sure we could all drag out ME3 to a nice 40-45 hours maybe 50 if you try

Heh.

I dragged ME2 out to 60 on my first file. I'm willing to bet I can very easily pull the same thing off with ME3.

[jeweledleah]

JeffZero wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...
I'm not worried about finding out the end of Shepard's story.  the web will be abuzz with spoilers in a matter of days - videos, cutscenes, dialogues, guides to paragon/renegade, galactic readiness, which character play how big of a role, romances both new and old - it will all be available online to be spoiled at leasure.  so I'm not worried.  I'll see how it ends one way or another. I just want to know if its worth including into my limited budget.  next few weeks should give me a good idea.

But leah, it isn't terribly important to you that your Shepard(s) experience that resolution? Finding out the general gist of the spoilers is truly enough for you, even despite all the hours you've spent involved in the overall fandom? I know this post might sound kinda strange, but surely you know what I mean -- don't you have something of a personal connection to at least one file?

I'm actualy attached to all of them. but I can wait.  I'm no longer super excited and super anticipatory.  my current levels of "wanting to know" are at about the same levels as they were for DA2 - which I bought on sale months after it came out.  what they will revelain the next few weeks will either maintain that, drop it down to "wait untill ultimate edition comes out and then goes on sale" or raise it back up to "must have on day one" . I'm very careful nowadays with which games I buy and how much I pay for them, in part thanks to Portal 2.

@DeltaPhoenix08  no worries.  its just that there's an assumption on these forums, not by everyone, but quite a few.  that anyone who dislikes multiplayer - must not be thinking straight and/or is untisocial.

one of the reasons I dislike it, is becasue its very limiting.  you have to schedule gametime based on other people's schedule, you cannot just log in, play for 15 minutes, and then log out, whenever you feel like it, you have to adopt your pace to that of the others (or they have to adopt to you).  you cannot just pause at random, get up, have a phone conversation, or take your dogfor a walk, thencome back and pick up where you left off

or

you could try play with random pugs and pray that you luck out and get the rare decent ones.

the main atraction of a single player game to me is its extreme flexibility.  the only person limiting when, where and how I can play?..is myself.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 13 octobre 2011 - 05:45 .

[dreman9999]

sp0ck 06 wrote...

iakus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

iakus wrote...

BG is not known for it's multiplayer, it's known for having an incredibly epic single-player storyline the likes of which haven't been seen in a decade.  If DA3 (or any other Bioware game) had a 50 hour+ epic storyline of that kind of quality,  it would be worth it.

But that's not gonna happen.  Those days are behind us, given the changes from DAO to DA2.

NWN's's single player storyline is one of the weakest Bioware has ever done.  You need the expansions to really get good storytelling out of it.  The big draw it had was modding tools, so peple could create their own dungeons for people to crawl around in.  That's something else who's days are probably long past.

So what? It had MP and the mp did not distract from the sp experiance. That the point we are trying to make. And it's clear with Swtor that Bioware wants to go into the mp area.
Also, NWN was never made to be a sp game. It was made as a mp where you make and play other people dungeons. That was what so spcial about it.

So, will ME3 have a 50+ hour epic single player adventure, the likes of which have not been seen in a decade or more?  That's how I'd know the MP aspect didn't distract from the SP game.

If Bioware want to do multiplayer, that's fine. But do it in seperate games.  Because resources are finite, and eventually a choice will have to be made.  I don't think any of us will like the results of that choice.

NWN: that's the point.  The SP was nothing to write home about.  Can you really fit two picinics in one basket?

They've said ME3's single player will be roughly the length of ME2's.  So 25-30 hours probably, which is excellent these days.

I had the same worry about them wasting potential SP resources on MP, but they've said the MP was developed and built by a separate team, so no argument there.

ME3 is not like NWN because its the third act of an already established storyline.  I mean they created this story and universe.  You really think they're going to let the finale suck?  Its' their baby as much as its our fancy.

What have you been doing? With me, every play through I have with ME2, including the dlc and doing everything, is 50+/60+.

[Robuthad]

JeffZero wrote...

Robuthad wrote...

If you really take your time on things and go slow enough to appreciate things and do all side missions and collect everything and see everywhere, talk to everyone..I'm sure we could all drag out ME3 to a nice 40-45 hours maybe 50 if you try

Heh.

I dragged ME2 out to 60 on my first file. I'm willing to bet I can very easily pull the same thing off with ME3.

EXACTLY! This is what I'm talking about. I live for dragging out the really good games. With as much thats being crammed into ME3 story wise and otherwise, Probably wont have a problem with it. Oh yeah and theres this thing called Co-op? that will add even more time after the first playthrough of course hahaah

[Soul Cool]

iakus wrote...
So, will ME3 have a 50+ hour epic single player adventure, the likes of which have not been seen in a decade or more?  That's how I'd know the MP aspect didn't distract from the SP game.

No, we won't get that, because the Mass Effect series is not that kind of series. It's not very revolutionary, and it doesn't do anything in particular extremely well. It's just an enjoyable, solid gaming experience that pretty much anyone can pick up and play.

And yes, I am aware that both games have been received very well, this does nothing to contradict what I said. The games are not "genre changers".

[JeffZero]

jeweledleah wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...
I'm not worried about finding out the end of Shepard's story.  the web will be abuzz with spoilers in a matter of days - videos, cutscenes, dialogues, guides to paragon/renegade, galactic readiness, which character play how big of a role, romances both new and old - it will all be available online to be spoiled at leasure.  so I'm not worried.  I'll see how it ends one way or another. I just want to know if its worth including into my limited budget.  next few weeks should give me a good idea.

But leah, it isn't terribly important to you that your Shepard(s) experience that resolution? Finding out the general gist of the spoilers is truly enough for you, even despite all the hours you've spent involved in the overall fandom? I know this post might sound kinda strange, but surely you know what I mean -- don't you have something of a personal connection to at least one file?

I'm actualy attached to all of them. but I can wait.  I'm no longer super excited and super anticipatory.  my current levels of "wanting to know" are at about the same levels as they were for DA2 - which I bought on sale months after it came out.  what they will revelain the next few weeks will either maintain that, drop it down to "wait untill ultimate edition comes out and then goes on sale" or raise it back up to "must have on day one" . I'm very careful nowadays with which games I buy and how much I pay for them, in part thanks to Portal 2.

I see. Well I understand. And I'm truly sad to see that your levels of anticipation have bubbled down so very much. I'm practically as far removed from a multiplayer gamer as possible without no longer being... a gamer, and this information hasn't spoiled my appetite much. But yes, I absolutely understand that we're all going to react to things differently. I very much hope the next few weeks restore your interest.