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[Iakus]

sp0ck 06 wrote...

They've said ME3's single player will be roughly the length of ME2's.  So 25-30 hours probably, which is excellent these days.

I find that incredibly sad. 

I had the same worry about them wasting potential SP resources on MP, but they've said the MP was developed and built by a separate team, so no argument there.

Same disks though.

ME3 is not like NWN because its the third act of an already established storyline.  I mean they created this story and universe.  You really think they're going to let the finale suck?  Its' their baby as much as its our fancy.

Let?  No.  Have to make some tough choices because of the addition of a spsrkly new feature meant to bring in more $$$?  Maybe.

[Melchiah109]

Soul Cool wrote...
No, we won't get that, because the Mass Effect series is not that kind of series. It's not very revolutionary, and it doesn't do anything in particular extremely well. It's just an enjoyable, solid gaming experience that pretty much anyone can pick up and play.

And yes, I am aware that both games have been received very well, this does nothing to contradict what I said. The games are not "genre changers".

Get a rope.

[didymos1120]

dreman9999 wrote...

As for recources, it not as finite as you think. They have the resourses of EA with other EA studios helping them like DICE.

DICE is not working on ME3 in any way, shape or form.  People wildly overextrapolated from a single comment about a bit of knowledge-sharing the audio guys did, and it just keeps getting repeated, and now seems to be acquiring even more extrapolation.

[Iakus]

Soul Cool wrote...

No, we won't get that, because the Mass Effect series is not that kind of series. It's not very revolutionary, and it doesn't do anything in particular extremely well. It's just an enjoyable, solid gaming experience that pretty much anyone can pick up and play.

And yes, I am aware that both games have been received very well, this does nothing to contradict what I said. The games are not "genre changers".

Well, it was a science fiction RPG.  That by itself made it pretty different.  Pity it eventually bwoed to the "if it has guns, it must have multiplayer" law that rules video games, cause there's just not enough sf rpgs out there.

[sp0ck 06]

dreman9999 wrote...

sp0ck 06 wrote...

So, will ME3 have a 50+ hour epic single player adventure, the likes of which have not been seen in a decade or more?  That's how I'd know the MP aspect didn't distract from the SP game.

If Bioware want to do multiplayer, that's fine. But do it in seperate games.  Because resources are finite, and eventually a choice will have to be made.  I don't think any of us will like the results of that choice.

NWN: that's the point.  The SP was nothing to write home about.  Can you really fit two picinics in one basket?

They've said ME3's single player will be roughly the length of ME2's.  So 25-30 hours probably, which is excellent these days.

I had the same worry about them wasting potential SP resources on MP, but they've said the MP was developed and built by a separate team, so no argument there.

ME3 is not like NWN because its the third act of an already established storyline.  I mean they created this story and universe.  You really think they're going to let the finale suck?  Its' their baby as much as its our fancy.

What have you been doing? With me, every play through I have with ME2, including the dlc and doing everything, is 50+/60+.

Wow, thats a long time.  I guess I just skip through a lot of dialogue on my 3rd, 4th, etc playthrough?  My first time through I rarely do everything.  It feels more organic and inspires subsequent playthroughs to see what I missed.  

But yeah, doing all RM and LM, N7, a bit of scanning, and the SM is about 28ish hours for me.

[Soul Cool]

Melchiah109 wrote...
Get a rope.

Oh, I know. I'm already prepared.

The games are by no means bad, but they are seriously not the greatest thing ever and they will not produce the desired expereince that the poster I was responding to desires. It's just not going to happen, unless the third game is really as epic as the hypers want it to be, which it won't be. So, yeah, I love the series and seriously do enjoy nerding out over the sci-fi feel, but there you have it. 

Modifié par Soul Cool, 13 octobre 2011 - 05:48 .

[dreman9999]

didymos1120 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

As for recources, it not as finite as you think. They have the resourses of EA with other EA studios helping them like DICE.

DICE is not working on ME3 in any way, shape or form.  People wildly overextrapolated from a single comment about a bit of knowledge-sharing the audio guys did, and it just keeps getting repeated, and now seems to be acquiring even more extrapolation.

I'm sorry but we have video proof of a bioware rep saying that DICE is helping them(with the sound effects.)

DICE them selve even stated that their resources is open to every studio under EA. It's not a strech, it's a fact. They are not working on ME3, but they are proving any help they can.

[Iakus]

JeffZero wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

I'm actualy attached to all of them. but I can wait.  I'm no longer super excited and super anticipatory.  my current levels of "wanting to know" are at about the same levels as they were for DA2 - which I bought on sale months after it came out.  what they will revelain the next few weeks will either maintain that, drop it down to "wait untill ultimate edition comes out and then goes on sale" or raise it back up to "must have on day one" . I'm very careful nowadays with which games I buy and how much I pay for them, in part thanks to Portal 2.

I see. Well I understand. And I'm truly sad to see that your levels of anticipation have bubbled down so very much. I'm practically as far removed from a multiplayer gamer as possible without no longer being... a gamer, and this information hasn't spoiled my appetite much. But yes, I absolutely understand that we're all going to react to things differently. I very much hope the next few weeks restore your interest. 

Me too.  I'm not quite as pessimistic as leah, but I'm close.  I want Bioware to convince me that I have nothing to worry about.  But nothing they've said so far has been very encouraging.  And given the deceptive practices they used to hide this feature, I'm not sure I could believe them if they did say anything.

[jeweledleah]

I think the fastest I got through ME1 was 15 hours? I skipped most of the side missions and almost all of the conversations - was trying for minimalist playthrough. but even then, I umm.. only payed 5 bucks for ME1, so I definitely got my money's worth

@ Jeffzero - I hope so too. but either way-if I decide to wait, it simply opens upb my budget for other games, I might have waited on. win/win in any case

[JeffZero]

Soul Cool wrote...

Melchiah109 wrote...
Get a rope.

Oh, I know. I'm already prepared.

The games are by no means bad, but they are seriously not the greatest thing ever and they will not produce the desired expereince that the poster I was responding to desires. It's just not going to happen, unless the third game is really as epic as the hypers want it to be, which it won't be. So, yeah, I love the series and seriously do enjoy nerding out over the sci-fi feel, but there you have it. 

Frankly, I'm very much prepared that it might have something to do with how few new games I go near these days. But for me, crinkles and everything, ME1 and ME2 are very much top tier in most ways.

[sp0ck 06]

iakus wrote...

sp0ck 06 wrote...

They've said ME3's single player will be roughly the length of ME2's.  So 25-30 hours probably, which is excellent these days.

I find that incredibly sad. 

I had the same worry about them wasting potential SP resources on MP, but they've said the MP was developed and built by a separate team, so no argument there.

Same disks though.

ME3 is not like NWN because its the third act of an already established storyline.  I mean they created this story and universe.  You really think they're going to let the finale suck?  Its' their baby as much as its our fancy.

Let?  No.  Have to make some tough choices because of the addition of a spsrkly new feature meant to bring in more $$$?  Maybe.

1. In a way it is, but considering the quality of those hours in ME 1 and 2 I'm grateful for at least that much.

2.  Oblivion is one disc and it has potentially hundreds of hours of content.  Discs mean very little.  And MP won't take up much room.  Its audio and cinematics that are the hogs.

3.  I was skeptical at first, but after thinking about it a bit I think this co-op is very intriguing.  If all they cared about was the $$$, they could easily have just tacked on a crap versus mode.  If MP has to be in, this is def. the best way to go about it.

[JeffZero]

jeweledleah wrote...

I think the fastest I got through ME1 was 15 hours? I skipped most of the side missions and almost all of the conversations - was trying for minimalist playthrough. but even then, I umm.. only payed 5 bucks for ME1, so I definitely got my money's worth

Awesome bargain. I paid twelve, myself. And my first file was 55 hours. Quite pleased.

@ Jeffzero - I hope so too. but either way-if I decide to wait, it simply opens upb my budget for other games, I might have waited on. win/win in any case

Fair enough. 

[dreman9999]

sp0ck 06 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

sp0ck 06 wrote...

So, will ME3 have a 50+ hour epic single player adventure, the likes of which have not been seen in a decade or more?  That's how I'd know the MP aspect didn't distract from the SP game.

If Bioware want to do multiplayer, that's fine. But do it in seperate games.  Because resources are finite, and eventually a choice will have to be made.  I don't think any of us will like the results of that choice.

NWN: that's the point.  The SP was nothing to write home about.  Can you really fit two picinics in one basket?

They've said ME3's single player will be roughly the length of ME2's.  So 25-30 hours probably, which is excellent these days.

I had the same worry about them wasting potential SP resources on MP, but they've said the MP was developed and built by a separate team, so no argument there.

ME3 is not like NWN because its the third act of an already established storyline.  I mean they created this story and universe.  You really think they're going to let the finale suck?  Its' their baby as much as its our fancy.

What have you been doing? With me, every play through I have with ME2, including the dlc and doing everything, is 50+/60+.

Wow, thats a long time.  I guess I just skip through a lot of dialogue on my 3rd, 4th, etc playthrough?  My first time through I rarely do everything.  It feels more organic and inspires subsequent playthroughs to see what I missed.  

But yeah, doing all RM and LM, N7, a bit of scanning, and the SM is about 28ish hours for me.

In mjy first playthough, I scanned ever planet in the game.(Scanned, not mined...I'm not that crazy.) I do as much as I can of that in every play through.....All 6 of them.

Modifié par dreman9999, 13 octobre 2011 - 05:53 .

[Soul Cool]

JeffZero wrote...
Frankly, I'm very much prepared that it might have something to do with how few new games I go near these days. But for me, crinkles and everything, ME1 and ME2 are very much top tier in most ways.

Which is fine. I really have no trouble imagining the ME series as a great series, because it is. It's just not on the level of epic that the poster I was replying to (And the people who seem to desperately want it to be) desires/are anticipating.

Modifié par Soul Cool, 13 octobre 2011 - 05:53 .

[didymos1120]

sp0ck 06 wrote...

But yeah, doing all RM and LM, N7, a bit of scanning, and the SM is about 28ish hours for me.

I actually managed to reach the endgame in about 2.5 hours once while doing a run to verify some dialogue at various points along the way, but then I also cheated like a bastard and just about broke my spacebar from all the skipping of stuff I wasn't testing.

[DeltaPhoenix08]

6 ME1 Playthroughs for me. My longest was over 60
4 ME2 playthroughs so far for me, but I need to do one more since I managed to not save Miranda on my most recent one, which was to be my main carryover to 3 :|
I think my longest ME2 playthrough was 45 maybe 50

[dreman9999]

Soul Cool wrote...

JeffZero wrote...
Frankly, I'm very much prepared that it might have something to do with how few new games I go near these days. But for me, crinkles and everything, ME1 and ME2 are very much top tier in most ways.

Which is fine. I really have no trouble imagining the ME series as a great series, because it is. It's just not on the level of epic that the poster I was replying to (And the people who seem to desperately want it to be) desires.

It's great because of the same reason why BG is great. The super detailed universe. Not many game are as detailed in lore and universe as ME.

[Robuthad]

Longest ME1 playthrough....182 hrs.


Thats including like 2 more playthroughs and all the wonderous naps I had whilst in the Galaxy map with that damned relaxing music

[dreman9999]

DeltaPhoenix08 wrote...

6 ME1 Playthroughs for me. My longest was over 60
4 ME2 playthroughs so far for me, but I need to do one more since I managed to not save Miranda on my most recent one, which was to be my main carryover to 3 :|
I think my longest ME2 playthrough was 45 maybe 50

What did you do to get a 60 hour playthrough in ME1?

[JeffZero]

Soul Cool wrote...

JeffZero wrote...
Frankly, I'm very much prepared that it might have something to do with how few new games I go near these days. But for me, crinkles and everything, ME1 and ME2 are very much top tier in most ways.

Which is fine. I really have no trouble imagining the ME series as a great series, because it is. It's just not on the level of epic that the poster I was replying to (And the people who seem to desperately want it to be) desires/are anticipating.

Fair enough. 

[JeffZero]

Robuthad wrote...

Longest ME1 playthrough....182 hrs.


Thats including like 2 more playthroughs and all the wonderous naps I had whilst in the Galaxy map with that damned relaxing music

Haha, definitely beats mine, that.

[didymos1120]

dreman9999 wrote...

I'm sorry but we have video proof of a bioware rep saying that DICE is helping them(with the sound effects.)

And I'm sorry but that very same dev said "Nope":

Rob Blake wrote...

Just to clarify, DICE aren't working on ME3 audio. We had some chats with them about how they approach their weapon audio design and we've done some asset and knowledge sharing. They've been super helpful and are great guys, but it's inaccurate to state that they're working on the audio content in any way.

We make incredible different games and our discussions really highlighted those differences. However, it's been really interesting speaking to different studios to see how they approach combat audio and we've already done considerable work to make the game sound much better I'm super excited about how the end result will sound!

Thanks!

Modifié par didymos1120, 13 octobre 2011 - 05:58 .

[dreman9999]

Robuthad wrote...

Longest ME1 playthrough....182 hrs.


Thats including like 2 more playthroughs and all the wonderous naps I had whilst in the Galaxy map with that damned relaxing music

Now I understand...Needless padding of time...Works every time.

[DeltaPhoenix08]

dreman9999 wrote...

DeltaPhoenix08 wrote...

6 ME1 Playthroughs for me. My longest was over 60
4 ME2 playthroughs so far for me, but I need to do one more since I managed to not save Miranda on my most recent one, which was to be my main carryover to 3 :|
I think my longest ME2 playthrough was 45 maybe 50

What did you do to get a 60 hour playthrough in ME1?

wandered around all the planets. 
random xtreme mako driving
trying to find every side quest and general exploring
taking my time i guess. I just loved that game so damn much
didnt want it to end

[jeweledleah]

dreman9999 wrote...

In my first playthough, I scanned ever planet in the game.(Scanned, not mined...I'm not that crazy.) I do as much as I can of that in every play through.....All 6 of them.

ROFL.  I actualy still scan every planet - even though I don't mine anymore and gib resources instead - it does my completionist soul good to see all those 100% explored systems.  my biggest beef with ME1, even more so then Mako controls, was the fact that unless I wrote the names down - I could never tell if I explored a system already, untill after landing on a planet O_O

my first ME1 playthrough was about 60 hours.  about same for ME2.  but I was obsessive about dialogue and every little quest I could find,and then there was just general gawking, listening to galaxy news and clicking on every npc in my sights