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[JeffZero]

Well, I looked it up myself. One year versus twenty-two months. I don't see the correlation.

[Grey34]

dreman9999 wrote...

Robuthad wrote...

I had 999 omni-gel constantly so the minigame wasnt too horrible...most of the time

It was simon say only simpler. I never used the omni-gel.

stop saying my name dam it! 

[BloodyTalon]

Better then I thought and glad you all finally confirmed, sorta looking forward to it be fun to try from time to time even if my mp stuff is rusty.

[neoxus299]

"Play with your friends" I don't have friends, thats why I play Singleplayer... >_<

[Soul Cool]

neoxus299 wrote...

"Play with your friends" I don't have friends, thats why I play Singleplayer... >_<

You make Soul Cool a Sad Panda.

[Someone With Mass]

JeffZero wrote...

Well, I looked it up myself. One year versus twenty-two months. I don't see the correlation.

That, and the DA games had a different team.

[Rixxencaxx]

I feel that cause of ME 3 content and quality Bioware will be caught by another fan **** storm.
This and the cold reaction to kotor will bring bioware to fail.
This is the fate of every winning studio bought by ea.
Bioware will be no exception

Modifié par Rixxencaxx, 13 octobre 2011 - 10:02 .

[Maeshone]

Rixxencaxx wrote...

I feel that cause of ME 3 content and quality Bioware will be caught by another fan **** storm.
This and the cold reaction to kotor will bring bioware to fail.
This is the fate of every winning studio bought by ea.
Bioware will be no exception

DICE directly contradics this statement as they've been an EA subsidiary since 2004, and their games are only getting more and more popular

[Soul Cool]

Rixxencaxx wrote...

I feel that cause of ME 3 content and quality Bioware will be caught by another fan **** storm.
This and the cold reaction to kotor will bring bioware to fail.
This is the fate of every winning studio bought by ea.
Bioware will be no exception

DICE doesn't seem to be doing too bad?


Lol, 'd.

Modifié par Soul Cool, 13 octobre 2011 - 10:05 .

[whywhywhywhy]

DeltaPhoenix08 wrote...

First time posting here.

I was super psyched for ME3 and pre-ordered ages ago. Then I heard about MP and I flipped out (before I knew any details). Then I read the FAQ and continued to flip out and cancelled my pre-order. Then I watched the video and read the "somewhat" updated FAQ and still flipped out.

I have finally calmed down enough now to be rational (well a little at least)

I have not preordered the game again.

I am not interested at all in the MP. I understand that the ability to affect the SP by MP is optional, however I think that even the inclusion of that is a mistake. The existence of the MP makes me not want to play it at all (ok thats not very rational), so I won't.

Maybe some time in the future when I stop nerd raging and being so butthurt I'll play it, but for now, no thanks.

To me, Shepherd defeated the Collectors and then flew to some tropical planet to live with Miranda and Liara happily ever after.

Actually it's a very rational thought.  You were buying the game for a previous experience, that experience has changed no matter what nay sayers say.  Bioware has an objective here, a timeline of sorts and people like to act like it doesn't make sense to not support what you don't want.  But it makes perfect sense, if you shrug and "go along with the crowd" things get worst and at that moment, when you wake up....it's too late.

Multiplayer is DRM for used game sales in games that don't typically have multiplayer.  That's all this is and mark my words traditional MP is coming, all of the smoke and mirrors is to fool the simple minded who believe all they hear.  Or accept everything that's said at face value, all the information you need to make an informed opinion is out there.  Don't let naysayers decide things for you and follow your gut instinct it's usually right.  So whether that's me and others who hate the direction the Me series is going or the others who try belittling you for not buying a game. 

But ask yourself, why is (in most cases) a complete stranger worried about how you spend your money ?  They use lines like "your letting all that time & effort you put into the first two games go to waste"  "not buying the final installment over multiplayer that doesn't effect you is stupid" something along those lines.  Doesn't make sense to me.  I won't buy ME3 but I'll definately rent it unless more bad news come out.  If I decided it's decent enough for a purchase it'll definately be a used game purchase.

[Whyp_2]

ME3 Co-op mode? Sounds cool! Little sceptic, but still.

[Il Divo]

iakus wrote...

So, will ME3 have a 50+ hour epic single player adventure, the likes of which have not been seen in a decade or more?  That's how I'd know the MP aspect didn't distract from the SP game.

Is that how you would know? Quality trumps quantity every time. Jade Empire remains Bioware's shortest experience, yet I'd argue that it's probably their best. If ME3 is about as long as ME2? Well, I'd argue that's pretty standard for Bioware. Mass Effect may have been a bit longer, but that was mainly due to planet exploration, which I would ask that Bioware never return to.

The simple way to put this is that we will never 100% know whether the MP affected the SP. At the conclusion of the experience however, I can say whether I'm satisfied or not satisfied and that itself can determine my perception of the multiplayer. If I come out thinking this was the best Bioware game ever, then I couldn't care less what content may or may not have been cut; it's been over-ridden by my sheer enjoyment of the experience.

NWN: that's the point.  The SP was nothing to write home about.  Can you really fit two picinics in one basket?

Certainly, and it all depends on implementation. In the case of Neverwinter Nights, the campaign was (quite literally) intended as an intro prior to the multiplayer. However, I'm also not certain of the structure Bioware employed then in terms of single-player/multi-player. By opening a new studio, the same group is not working on single-player/multi-player content. It's similar to how a dlc exclusive studio means that other Bioware teams can keep working on premium content with no issue of time.

Modifié par Il Divo, 13 octobre 2011 - 01:26 .

[Il Divo]

Gatt9 wrote...

This whole racket only works is if the work to achieve Optimal without multiplayer is so difficult that most people would rather cough up the money to avoid it.  Such as a galaxy full of missions and artifacts randomly distributed through 50 different worlds that must be explored in some tedious manner.  Is it possible?  Sure.  Is it reasonable?  No.

So a return to Mass Effect 1's approach? Wonderful.

I recommend you stop with the melodrama. It gets tiresome. I hardly imagine that EA is some benevolent artist, but your conspiracy theories are hardly any better. It would also be great if you could point out to me, given this new approach, why EA didn't follow suit with ME2 and DA2. Clearly, if we follow your "logic", they would've gone with this approach then, since it would generate greater revenue. Oh, and also point out to me all these examples of video games in existence where the optimal SP ending is impossible without 50+ hours in co-op. Thanks, in advance.

Modifié par Il Divo, 13 octobre 2011 - 01:07 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Lard wrote...

Twistedfaith wrote... Well, what is there -NOT- to like. You don't -LOSE- any of your lone-wolf playing, nor get any less than what you would anyway. --

But you lose part of the single player experience because it is consigned to MP.

To be fair, that's only true in the sense that the content that's being added for MP could have in theory been added for SP.

[Iakus]

Il Divo wrote...

iakus wrote...

So, will ME3 have a 50+ hour epic single player adventure, the likes of which have not been seen in a decade or more?  That's how I'd know the MP aspect didn't distract from the SP game.

Is that how you would know? Quality trumps quantity every time. Jade Empire remains Bioware's shortest experience, yet I'd argue that it's probably their best. If ME3 is about as long as ME2? Well, I'd argue that's pretty standard for Bioware. Mass Effect may have been a bit longer, but that was mainly due to planet exploration, which I would ask that Bioware never return to.
 

I'd know because a long game of high quality was produced.  It's not just length, or just quality, but both.  A fun, but short game would leave me wondering if more couldn't have been added.  A longer, mediocre game would leave me wondering if things got tinkered with to suit the addition of multiplayer.  

You of all people know that I was no fan of the direction ME2 went in.  I have to know that everything possible was done to give this trilogy a satisfying conclusion.  WIthout further reassurance, I can't know that now.

[Savber100]

iakus wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

*hands a tissue to stop the bleeding on Iakus' forehead*

Aw.. It's not going to be THAT bad. Bioware has already entered the foray of MP with Baldur's Gate and NWN. Where those games bad? :innocent:

BG is not known for it's multiplayer, it's known for having an incredibly epic single-player storyline the likes of which haven't been seen in a decade.  If DA3 (or any other Bioware game) had a 50 hour+ epic storyline of that kind of quality,  it would be worth it.

But that's not gonna happen.  Those days are behind us, given the changes from DAO to DA2.

NWN's's single player storyline is one of the weakest Bioware has ever done.  You need the expansions to really get good storytelling out of it.  The big draw it had was modding tools, so peple could create their own dungeons for people to crawl around in.  That's something else who's days are probably long past.

You missed my point. I was pointing out how the MP doesn't always mean a bad SP and not that MP was the best feature in Baldur's Gate. 

How about a more recent example? Do you think Portal 2 and Uncharted 2 have bad SP? 

[Il Divo]

iakus wrote...

I'd know because a long game of high quality was produced.  It's not just length, or just quality, but both.  A fun, but short game would leave me wondering if more couldn't have been added.  A longer, mediocre game would leave me wondering if things got tinkered with to suit the addition of multiplayer.  

I agree that a long, good game may outweigh a short, good game, but that's still contrary to the issue at hand. Length will not, by necessity, lead to satisfaction. Fun/short outweighs long/mediocre every time. Much as I know your dislike of ME2, you're aware of my dislike of ME1's exploration/side quest mechanism. Without that, ME1 is a rather short experience, on the scale of ME2's campaign + loyalty missions. Outside of BGII and Dragon Age: Origins, I really can't say that there are many Bioware games where I personally enjoyed the "length of the experience", which was usually a result of prolonged exploration (BG1, ME1, NwN).

You of all people know that I was no fan of the direction ME2 went in.  I have to know that everything possible was done to give this trilogy a satisfying conclusion.  WIthout further reassurance, I can't know that now.

I do and I am sympathetic. I personally don't want multiplayer in the slighest. However, maybe I'm just waxing philosophical, but we can never know whether resources were/were not cut significantly from the SP. All we can ever judge is our total satisfaction from the experience. In this case, ME3 (length-wise) being on the scale of ME2 is certainly not terrible for Bioware. And it's why if I'm satisfied with ME3 as a whole, regardless of length, I will remain satisfied.

Modifié par Il Divo, 13 octobre 2011 - 01:45 .

[Tryphus]

This co-op is going to be the best part of the entire series. There.

But no, seriously, this'll be the best game, SP and all.  I love playing ME1, but by the end I'm itching to get the character through to 2 to experience new and better gameplay...and now I'll be itching to get through to 3 to decide which paths I want to take(and who will have co-op back them) on each of my 6 character run-throughs...now I'm just waiting to see how they'll handle exploration/vehicles...

Modifié par Tryphus, 13 octobre 2011 - 01:50 .

[Novate]

The fact is that This Co-op could have been made as a Single Player Campaign, holding specific sections for war, where Shepard swoops in and helps the soldiers gain the upper hand in preparation for the final confrontation.

Story wise its totally workable, and would have provided another huge chunk of playtime. Even if its just a single player with AI. Not necessary having to be Co-op and being Optional, where those areas you control would show up during the finale.

Not against Co-op but just saying it could have added a whole epic end to the trilogy as a single player campaign.

[drimacus]

I don't know if this is a silly question, but is it possible to play multiplayer without an internet connection. I mean if you have two controllers for you 360, can you then play with 2 persons split screen?

[bigheadzach]

Novate wrote...

The fact is that This Co-op could have been made as a Single Player Campaign, holding specific sections for war, where Shepard swoops in and helps the soldiers gain the upper hand in preparation for the final confrontation.

Story wise its totally workable, and would have provided another huge chunk of playtime. Even if its just a single player with AI. Not necessary having to be Co-op and being Optional, where those areas you control would show up during the finale.

Not against Co-op but just saying it could have added a whole epic end to the trilogy as a single player campaign.

Sounds like a great addition to the next Mass Effect title. Once we've finished the Shepard Trilogy I am excited to see what other game types and stories they tell in this universe.

[C-Sec Nova]

The main reason why I was against mp was because, they shouldn't fix something that isn't broke. Granted I am a little happy that I can play the Co-op missions by myself, having MP in a game like this is just... very touchy and difficult to stomach. But that's just what I think.

[DarkSun522]

GOD BLESS YOU BIOWARE! GOD BLESS YOU CASEY HUDSON! GOD BLESS MASS EFFECT!

[Killjoy Cutter]

neoxus299 wrote...

"Play with your friends" I don't have friends, thats why I play Singleplayer... >_<

I don't know anyone else who has played any of the ME series.  

[angelus2402004]

If I don't have an Xbox Live gold account does that mean I won't be able to play multiplayer?