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[didymos1120]

PXXL wrote...

iakus wrote...

I need to know for certain that there is  zero interference in the SP game.

Why do you need to know?

It's not like it matters, because it's a need that can't ever be met without getting a job at Bioware and having access to the entire ME3 paper trail.

[Iakus]

Someone With Mass wrote...

iakus wrote...

I need to know for certain that there is  zero interference in the SP game.

Okay.

The multiplayer co-op mode is OPTIONAL.

It can help you with the war effort, but you can get the exact same thing while playing solo.

i am aware of that.

But was anything, anything at all, left out or changed because mp was put in?

[Iakus]

didymos1120 wrote...

PXXL wrote...

iakus wrote...

I need to know for certain that there is  zero interference in the SP game.

Why do you need to know?

It's not like it matters, because it's a need that can't ever be met without getting a job at Bioware and having access to the entire ME3 paper trail.

So I have to settle for being "fairly certain"  

I'm not that either.

[Strephon Gentry]

Yes because that is the best you are probably going to get. Until you purchase the game that is...

Or you can continue to be paranoid like some other members...

"many decisions lie ahead...none of them easy"

[bigheadzach]

iakus wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

iakus wrote...

I need to know for certain that there is  zero interference in the SP game.

Okay.

The multiplayer co-op mode is OPTIONAL.

It can help you with the war effort, but you can get the exact same thing while playing solo.

i am aware of that.

But was anything, anything at all, left out or changed because mp was put in?

This is very much a Schroedinger's Cat situation. You don't know until you open the box.

BW is under no obligation to tell you, and even if they lied, how would you know?

[Thompson family]

iakus wrote...

But was anything, anything at all, left out or changed because mp was put in?

Good lord.

Well, at least I can answer this question.

Everything,no matter how minor, has an effect.

Therefore, I can absolutely guarantee you that something was, indeed, changed, left out or put in.

As I type this, skin flakes and oils from my fingertips are left on the keyboard. Someday, enough will accumulate to become noticeable. I don't see them yet, but they are there.

Such is the way of life. You should ponder upon this.

[didymos1120]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

iakus wrote...

But was anything, anything at all, left out or changed because mp was put in?

Probably.

All the money and resources they spent on making multiplayer could have been used for singleplayer instead.

Yes, and all the money and resources they spent on DA2 could have been used for ME3 too.  So what?  Doesn't mean that would have happened.

[SojournerN7]

iakus wrote...
I need to know for certain that there is  zero interference in the SP game.

Does this answer your question?

Q: Does the addition of co-op multiplayer missions impact the scope or quality of the single-player experience?

A: No. A dedicated team from our recently formed BioWare Montreal studio has been focused on creating the multiplayer game features while the main game continued to be developed by the team in BioWare Edmonton. <snip>

Q: How did developing multiplayer impact the single player game?

A: <snip>...Rest assured that no compromises were made to either of these modes in the development of Mass Effect 3.

[Thompson family]

didymos1120 wrote...

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

All the money and resources they spent on making multiplayer could have been used for singleplayer instead.

Yes, and all the money and resources they spent on DA2 could have been used for ME3 too.  So what?  Doesn't mean that would have happened.

Not only is didymos1120 right, but the assumption there was a "budget" of some set amount for the game, SP or MP, is almost certainly wrong.

There was not point to keep pouring money into the budget of a game that you knew was only going to sell about 2 million copies. ME2 improved upon ME1's sales figures, even if you don't count the PS3 sales figures, but it was already knocking near the top of what it will ever sell as a SP only experience.

MP, however, is a potential "game changer," to use business jargon, that would justify increased investment.

[BiggumsKlown]

 So my opinion. As an avid gamer? Is that Mp in Mass Effect is an excellent idea. Mainly because it opens up more game play options, gives players a new way to affect the single player story. People keep complaining that it will ruin SP, but personally it will most likely be comepletely optional. And if you don't like the idea of MP then don't play it, and you won't know whether you like it or not until you give it a try, which you won't if you rage about it just being a selection in the menu and for those who beleive that MP will make SP worse. Ya, that is a load. Mass effect was planned as a trilogy from the start. Which means that the game has been most likely had story written since the early success of the first two games

[nubbers666]

well i can scratch this game off my wish list
thanx for saving me 60 bucks

[SNascimento]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

iakus wrote...

But was anything, anything at all, left out or changed because mp was put in?

Probably.

All the money and resources they spent on making multiplayer could have been used for the singleplayer instead.

.
Can you prove this? Because... this can be far from the truth. 

[Rizia vas Kasai]

Is there dialogue trees in MP that's all I wanna know. Otherwise I trust Bioware.

[nelly21]

SNascimento wrote...

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

iakus wrote...

But was anything, anything at all, left out or changed because mp was put in?

Probably.

All the money and resources they spent on making multiplayer could have been used for the singleplayer instead.

.
Can you prove this? Because... this can be far from the truth. 

You know damn well he can't prove it. The very premise of "leaving stuff out" because of a new feature is ridiculous. We just heard about the mp. Do you honestly think that Bio just sprung the idea on EA a few weeks ago? Of course not. They laid out their plans years ago and EA allocated the money. If the single player was the only mode, EA wouldn't have allocated additional funds. MP was already budgeted.

[bigheadzach]

Rizia vas Kasai wrote...

Is there dialogue trees in MP that's all I wanna know. Otherwise I trust Bioware.

What if the dialogue trees were for witty action-movie banter between you and your squad mates? 

[TheRealJayDee]

iakus wrote...
If the single player is less than absolutely stellar, the mp will be forever tainted, justified or not.  Because there'll always be the lingering doubt that maybe compromises were made.scenes were trimmed, content relegated to dlc or eliminated entirely, all to facilitate this new feature I never asked for, didn't want, and never touched.

+ over 9000

[Gatt9]

Sojourner83 wrote...

iakus wrote...
I need to know for certain that there is  zero interference in the SP game.

Does this answer your question?

Q: Does the addition of co-op multiplayer missions impact the scope or quality of the single-player experience?

A: No. A dedicated team from our recently formed BioWare Montreal studio has been focused on creating the multiplayer game features while the main game continued to be developed by the team in BioWare Edmonton. <snip>

Q: How did developing multiplayer impact the single player game?

A: <snip>...Rest assured that no compromises were made to either of these modes in the development of Mass Effect 3.

It's marketing speak.  They're *not* going to tell you that it was an EA mandate and it was shoehorned in.

Not only is didymos1120 right, but the assumption there was a "budget" of some set amount for the game, SP or MP, is almost certainly wrong.

There was not point to keep pouring money into the budget of a game that you knew was only going to sell about 2 million copies. ME2 improved upon ME1's sales figures, even if you don't count the PS3 sales figures, but it was already knocking near the top of what it will ever sell as a SP only experience.

MP, however, is a potential "game changer," to use business jargon, that would justify increased investment.

No it isn't.  It's not even remotely a "Game changer",  Multiplayer shooter and RTS fans aren't going to suddenly buy ME3 in droves because you can play a few missions co-op.  We can look directly at Fable 2 to see this. 

Multiplayer as a draw for more customers only works when the game is designed around the concept of Multiplayer.  Halo,  CoD,  GoW.  Shoehorning it into every game willie-nillie doesn't immediately give greater sales,  as the RTS craze of the early 00's showed us,  more often it results in fewer sales because the quality of the game suffers from forced-conversion into a format it was never meant to possess.

Which isn't necessarily the case here either,  because the fact still remains,  this is all about Online Pass and forcing used game buyers to pay them.  But that's still not without danger,  because as I said before,  it has to be invasive for that to work,  and there's a very high probability that the game will be much worse for it.

Because they now cannot have the way to circumvent it something that can be spoiled through walkthroughs,  which means heavy randomization and a very heavy burden on Single-Players and used game buyers,  or alternatively,  very heavy requirements to achieve optimal solutions in single player mode and get the highest yield of "War assets".  Either way,  this has alot of potential to backfire and generate alot of unhappy people.

[bigheadzach]

nelly21 wrote...

You know damn well he can't prove it. The very premise of "leaving stuff out" because of a new feature is ridiculous. We just heard about the mp. Do you honestly think that Bio just sprung the idea on EA a few weeks ago?

Careful how you counter that, because in many of the anti-MP players' minds, EA is the greedy puppetmaster who wants to slap "dudebro shooter" labels on all of their IPs. In their opinion, EA would have sprung "now you have to put in MP" on Bioware because kids love shooters, and if they're extremely pessimistic, "...and you have to use the remaining SP budget to do so."

[Rizia vas Kasai]

bigheadzach wrote...

Rizia vas Kasai wrote...

Is there dialogue trees in MP that's all I wanna know. Otherwise I trust Bioware.

What if the dialogue trees were for witty action-movie banter between you and your squad mates? 

I would annoy my friends to death lol
But it would be nice to have a few serious choices to make me and my friends think about stuff.

Modifié par Rizia vas Kasai, 13 octobre 2011 - 11:02 .

[Takio]

katie916 wrote...

well i can scratch this game off my wish list
thanx for saving me 60 bucks

Oh, so you won't buy ME 3 and finish the story, just because of an optional MP mode? That makes sense. 

[JeffZero]

katie916 wrote...

well i can scratch this game off my wish list
thanx for saving me 60 bucks

you're welcome

bye

[bigheadzach]

Gatt9 wrote...

Which isn't necessarily the case here either,  because the fact still remains,  this is all about Online Pass and forcing used game buyers to pay them.  But that's still not without danger,  because as I said before,  it has to be invasive for that to work,  and there's a very high probability that the game will be much worse for it.

You don't defeat the game reseller business by refusing to buy games. You defeat it by not buying used games....

...and telling the hundreds of thousands of gamers out there who don't care as much as you about ethics to start caring. (I would say this is also the reason the economy is also the state its in - complacency - but that's not relevant to this discussion.)

I wish that could happen, because I do agree with you about how that hurts the developers when someone else is stealing money from their revenue stream out of some "courtesy" the reseller thinks its providing.

If you have to buy a used game, buy it straight from the previous owner. Maybe someday there will be an easy means to transfer an Online Game Pass from user to user and this whole notion will go away. But as long as there's leeches who don't feel morally troubled committing software fraud, companies have to at least make an effort to protect their IP rights or punks will walk right over them.