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[Guanxi]

Probably been asked half a dozen times by now but will there be bots?

Modifié par Guanxi, 13 octobre 2011 - 11:07 .

[JeffZero]

Guanxi wrote...

Will there be bots?

According to OXM (without a quote from a developer) no but there will be the option to play the missions on one's own (with a quote from the developer on these very forums).

[Guanxi]

JeffZero wrote...

Guanxi wrote...

Will there be bots?

According to OXM (without a quote from a developer) no but there will be the option to play the missions on one's own (with a quote from the developer on these very forums).

Thanks for the quick response. Bots would be cool though.

[JeffZero]

Guanxi wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Guanxi wrote...

Will there be bots?

According to OXM (without a quote from a developer) no but there will be the option to play the missions on one's own (with a quote from the developer on these very forums).

Thanks for the quick response. Bots would be cool though.

Yeah, they certainly would be.

[whywhywhywhy]

drimacus wrote...

I don't know if this is a silly question, but is it possible to play multiplayer without an internet connection. I mean if you have two controllers for you 360, can you then play with 2 persons split screen?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say, absolutely not.  What your describing old school multiplayer. 

New school multiplayer requires EVERYTHING to be online so they can monitor you, "check" to see if your game is legit and to encourage used game purchasers to buy the online component. 

[1136342t54_]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

drimacus wrote...

I don't know if this is a silly question, but is it possible to play multiplayer without an internet connection. I mean if you have two controllers for you 360, can you then play with 2 persons split screen?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say, absolutely not.  What your describing old school multiplayer. 

New school multiplayer requires EVERYTHING to be online so they can monitor you, "check" to see if your game is legit and to encourage used game purchasers to buy the online component. 

Actually I could play offline on COD Blackops and Modern Warfare 2 with a friend. The same goes with Gears. 

[Pythonicus]

JeffZero wrote...

Guanxi wrote...

Will there be bots?

According to OXM (without a quote from a developer) no but there will be the option to play the missions on one's own (with a quote from the developer on these very forums).

Is this true? I haven't this anywhere in the discussion. Being able to solo these missions would make me happy.

I also have another question. My experiences with games that include MP are limited. Basically only Red Dead Redemption and Borderlands and a little bit of Gears of War.  All of these games had a very what I consider unfriendly save game feature. Will ME3 still be saveable basically at will or will it have some kind of checkpoint feature instead?

[Il Divo]

Gatt9 wrote...

Because they now cannot have the way to circumvent it something that can be spoiled through walkthroughs,  which means heavy randomization and a very heavy burden on Single-Players and used game buyers,  or alternatively,  very heavy requirements to achieve optimal solutions in single player mode and get the highest yield of "War assets".  Either way,  this has alot of potential to backfire and generate alot of unhappy people.

Gatt, would you mind loaning me your copy of Mass Effect 3? My copy doesn't arrive until March, but since you seem to know all about the game already, I figured  you're just about finished with yours.

[JeffZero]

Pythonicus wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Guanxi wrote...

Will there be bots?

According to OXM (without a quote from a developer) no but there will be the option to play the missions on one's own (with a quote from the developer on these very forums).

Is this true? I haven't this anywhere in the discussion. Being able to solo these missions would make me happy.

I also have another question. My experiences with games that include MP are limited. Basically only Red Dead Redemption and Borderlands and a little bit of Gears of War.  All of these games had a very what I consider unfriendly save game feature. Will ME3 still be saveable basically at will or will it have some kind of checkpoint feature instead?

Yes, of course it's true. Please seek out BioWare developer Brenon Holmes' question-answering post in Bogsnot's Multiplayer FAQ.

You haven't seen much discussion yet because right now there's still a buzzing swarm of apathy. It obscures forum-vision, you see.

[Il Divo]

JeffZero wrote...

Yes, of course it's true. Please seek out BioWare developer Brenon Holmes' question-answering post in Bogsnot's Multiplayer FAQ.

You haven't seen much discussion yet because right now there's still a buzzing swarm of apathy. It obscures forum-vision, you see.

Keep in mind that Brenon did say that it's not confirmed that this feature will remain with the final version. He described it as being tentative.

[whywhywhywhy]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I missed the thing about Facebook and mobile devices.

I can guarantee that tying ME3 in the Facebook and the like will make me FAR LESS likely to bother with ME3. Multiplayer is one thing, Facebook is a whole different story. Anyone who doesn't understand why needs to educate themslves about the company and its founder -- the man who said that privacy is dead and that anyone who wants or supports privacy is a naive idiot.

Where was this mentioned ?

[Texhnolyze101]

JeffZero wrote...

Guanxi wrote...

Will there be bots?

According to OXM (without a quote from a developer) no but there will be the option to play the missions on one's own (with a quote from the developer on these very forums).

Except on xbox you will have to pay for gold to do co-op even by yourself :\\ and i don't do the monthly fee nonsense.

[Il Divo]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Guanxi wrote...

Will there be bots?

According to OXM (without a quote from a developer) no but there will be the option to play the missions on one's own (with a quote from the developer on these very forums).

Except on xbox you will have to pay for gold to do co-op even by yourself : and i don't do the monthly fee nonsense.

Why exactly? GoW Horde mode doesn't require this. Neither does Halo with its off-line multiplayer. If there is single-player horde mode, I don't see how they would force players to pay Xbox live.

[JeffZero]

Il Divo wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Yes, of course it's true. Please seek out BioWare developer Brenon Holmes' question-answering post in Bogsnot's Multiplayer FAQ.

You haven't seen much discussion yet because right now there's still a buzzing swarm of apathy. It obscures forum-vision, you see.

Keep in mind that Brenon did say that it's not confirmed that this feature will remain with the final version. He described it as being tentative.

"Currently, yes." Yeah, I'm admittedly not too thrilled on the opener there. I hope with as much backlash as has occurred thus far the developers see the light in not taking it out between now and then.

Basically, I'm in a funny position -- I love just about everything I'm hearing about ME3 but there are some multiplayer issues, however much tinier to me than to others, that I want in a particular fashion. All the screaming posts in the world won't get it taken out at this point but they will likely give me what I want -- the continued presence of single-player "co-op" in the retail version is one such thing.

[1136342t54_]

Il Divo wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Guanxi wrote...

Will there be bots?

According to OXM (without a quote from a developer) no but there will be the option to play the missions on one's own (with a quote from the developer on these very forums).

Except on xbox you will have to pay for gold to do co-op even by yourself : and i don't do the monthly fee nonsense.

Why exactly? GoW Horde mode doesn't require this. Neither does Halo with its off-line multiplayer. If there is single-player horde mode, I don't see how they would force players to pay Xbox live.

I'm assuming they don't play most if not any actual modern multiplayer games and seem to assume the worse about them.

[JeffZero]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I missed the thing about Facebook and mobile devices.

I can guarantee that tying ME3 in the Facebook and the like will make me FAR LESS likely to bother with ME3. Multiplayer is one thing, Facebook is a whole different story. Anyone who doesn't understand why needs to educate themslves about the company and its founder -- the man who said that privacy is dead and that anyone who wants or supports privacy is a naive idiot.

Where was this mentioned ?

It's been mentioned that you can "keep track of your progress" with things like facebook. It's worth keeping a keen eye on and hoping nothing too over-the-top occurs, just a clear-cut "share the silliness with all your friends so we can advertise to them how awesome it is that you're fighting Reapers" and I can stay the heck away from it. Limited knowledge now, of course, but I predict that will be it for the most part.

[NOD-INFORMER37]

1136342t54 wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

drimacus wrote...

I don't know if this is a silly question, but is it possible to play multiplayer without an internet connection. I mean if you have two controllers for you 360, can you then play with 2 persons split screen?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say, absolutely not.  What your describing old school multiplayer. 

New school multiplayer requires EVERYTHING to be online so they can monitor you, "check" to see if your game is legit and to encourage used game purchasers to buy the online component. 

Actually I could play offline on COD Blackops and Modern Warfare 2 with a friend. The same goes with Gears. 

Same here, online is good sometimes, like getting DLC(although if they did it Fallout 3 style, we wouldnt need it) but absolutely everything online ISNT a good thing.

As EA/other despicable companies has proved to us over and over again. =/ 

[Texhnolyze101]

Il Divo wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Guanxi wrote...

Will there be bots?

According to OXM (without a quote from a developer) no but there will be the option to play the missions on one's own (with a quote from the developer on these very forums).

Except on xbox you will have to pay for gold to do co-op even by yourself : and i don't do the monthly fee nonsense.

Why exactly? GoW Horde mode doesn't require this. Neither does Halo with its off-line multiplayer. If there is single-player horde mode, I don't see how they would force players to pay Xbox live.

I don't play multiplayer or co-op stuff because im not interested in playing games with other people which is why im hoping i don't have to buy a gold membership just to play with bots and if it does il just ignore the co-op thing all together.

Modifié par 101ezylonhxeT, 13 octobre 2011 - 11:46 .

[tetrisblock4x1]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Guanxi wrote...

Will there be bots?

According to OXM (without a quote from a developer) no but there will be the option to play the missions on one's own (with a quote from the developer on these very forums).

Except on xbox you will have to pay for gold to do co-op even by yourself : and i don't do the monthly fee nonsense.

It would serve you right for supporting Microsoft, one of the greediest corporations on Earth.

[Texhnolyze101]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Guanxi wrote...

Will there be bots?

According to OXM (without a quote from a developer) no but there will be the option to play the missions on one's own (with a quote from the developer on these very forums).

Except on xbox you will have to pay for gold to do co-op even by yourself : and i don't do the monthly fee nonsense.

It would serve you right for supporting Microsoft, one of the greediest corporations on Earth.

I don't "serve" anyone don't get me confused with idiots who blindly follow companies.

[whywhywhywhy]

iakus wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

iakus wrote...

I need to know for certain that there is  zero interference in the SP game.

Okay.

The multiplayer co-op mode is OPTIONAL.

It can help you with the war effort, but you can get the exact same thing while playing solo.

i am aware of that.

But was anything, anything at all, left out or changed because mp was put in?

When developing the game sometimes the team hits road blocks in budget, bugged content and or a underestmation of the effort needed to complete a certain task.  Because of this content can be and most times will be cut from games.  The chance of things being cut from ME3 is 99.99%

When you consider that two teams worked on ME3: One suppositely had on work at the game and the other chugging along at multiplayer a reality that others overlook appears.  These two teams HAD to work together.

Not the whole team but part of the team had to spend time working together to incorporate the MP features into the game.  Not a trivial task at this point and most likely this aspect is the reason for the delay aside from it not being finished.   I'm sure some areas had some added polish but content specific ?  I'm positive very little if any was added to the game during this time due to the effort needed to implement and polish MP.

In short the SP was affected on several levels but some here seem to think the teams worked on this in isolation.  I assure you that did not happen.

[whywhywhywhy]

1136342t54 wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

drimacus wrote...

I don't know if this is a silly question, but is it possible to play multiplayer without an internet connection. I mean if you have two controllers for you 360, can you then play with 2 persons split screen?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say, absolutely not.  What your describing old school multiplayer. 

New school multiplayer requires EVERYTHING to be online so they can monitor you, "check" to see if your game is legit and to encourage used game purchasers to buy the online component. 

Actually I could play offline on COD Blackops and Modern Warfare 2 with a friend. The same goes with Gears. 

That makes the underlined oldschool.  You have a point here or are you sweet on me ?

[kingbuddy]

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

So long as Single Player remains completely untouched by multiplayer, this sounds like a fantastic idea. But if there is any content (an alternate ending, cinematics, dialogue,etc) achieved only through MP, then this will become an issue.
Otherwise, I look forward to giving it a shot. I'm not a MP person usually, but ACBrotherhood and Uncharted convinced me to give them a try every now and then.

for starters why in the F*** is me3 going to have multiplayer? its always been  single player rpg and remain so
and secondly, from what i heard hamburger helper (http://img220.images...00474624648.jpg) has quite an influence on biowares new productions and you wont be able to get the "good" eding unless you have a enough MP or somthing stupid, and now i cancled all my pre-orders on every bioware game, YYAYYYYY HAMBURGER HELPER! 

[whywhywhywhy]

JeffZero wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I missed the thing about Facebook and mobile devices.

I can guarantee that tying ME3 in the Facebook and the like will make me FAR LESS likely to bother with ME3. Multiplayer is one thing, Facebook is a whole different story. Anyone who doesn't understand why needs to educate themslves about the company and its founder -- the man who said that privacy is dead and that anyone who wants or supports privacy is a naive idiot.

Where was this mentioned ?

It's been mentioned that you can "keep track of your progress" with things like facebook. It's worth keeping a keen eye on and hoping nothing too over-the-top occurs, just a clear-cut "share the silliness with all your friends so we can advertise to them how awesome it is that you're fighting Reapers" and I can stay the heck away from it. Limited knowledge now, of course, but I predict that will be it for the most part.

I wasn't against Killjoy cutter's position I actually fully agree with him/her and it seems you as well.  I was just a bit shocked to hear the news.  Aside from all the privacy issues that'll make me stay away from this.  What happens if a new social network overtakes facebook like it did to myspace ?

Wow a true mainstream push...

[whywhywhywhy]

Gatt9 wrote...

Sojourner83 wrote...

iakus wrote...
I need to know for certain that there is  zero interference in the SP game.

Does this answer your question?

Q: Does the addition of co-op multiplayer missions impact the scope or quality of the single-player experience?

A: No. A dedicated team from our recently formed BioWare Montreal studio has been focused on creating the multiplayer game features while the main game continued to be developed by the team in BioWare Edmonton. <snip>

Q: How did developing multiplayer impact the single player game?

A: <snip>...Rest assured that no compromises were made to either of these modes in the development of Mass Effect 3.

It's marketing speak.  They're *not* going to tell you that it was an EA mandate and it was shoehorned in.

Not only is didymos1120 right, but the assumption there was a "budget" of some set amount for the game, SP or MP, is almost certainly wrong.

There was not point to keep pouring money into the budget of a game that you knew was only going to sell about 2 million copies. ME2 improved upon ME1's sales figures, even if you don't count the PS3 sales figures, but it was already knocking near the top of what it will ever sell as a SP only experience.

MP, however, is a potential "game changer," to use business jargon, that would justify increased investment.

No it isn't.  It's not even remotely a "Game changer",  Multiplayer shooter and RTS fans aren't going to suddenly buy ME3 in droves because you can play a few missions co-op.  We can look directly at Fable 2 to see this. 

Multiplayer as a draw for more customers only works when the game is designed around the concept of Multiplayer.  Halo,  CoD,  GoW.  Shoehorning it into every game willie-nillie doesn't immediately give greater sales,  as the RTS craze of the early 00's showed us,  more often it results in fewer sales because the quality of the game suffers from forced-conversion into a format it was never meant to possess.

Which isn't necessarily the case here either,  because the fact still remains,  this is all about Online Pass and forcing used game buyers to pay them.  But that's still not without danger,  because as I said before,  it has to be invasive for that to work,  and there's a very high probability that the game will be much worse for it.

Because they now cannot have the way to circumvent it something that can be spoiled through walkthroughs,  which means heavy randomization and a very heavy burden on Single-Players and used game buyers,  or alternatively,  very heavy requirements to achieve optimal solutions in single player mode and get the highest yield of "War assets".  Either way,  this has alot of potential to backfire and generate alot of unhappy people.

Good post