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[Spanky Magoo]

well in my case Im worried that content originally meant to be in the sp will cut out and be sold to me later as dlc simply because of disk space restrictions on the 360, (6.5 gb for a dual layer dvd I think correct me if im wrong ) so if me2 was 12.5 gb for both disks and all of that was sp and if me3 is going to be 2 disks ( I assume but dont know that for sure ) and lets say 4 gb is mp then that only leaves 8.5 gb for all of me3's single player. I just dont see that being in any way fair to someone who has zero interest in co-op.

[Maeshone]

Spanky Magoo wrote...

well in my case Im worried that content originally meant to be in the sp will cut out and be sold to me later as dlc simply because of disk space restrictions on the 360, (6.5 gb for a dual layer dvd I think correct me if im wrong ) so if me2 was 12.5 gb for both disks and all of that was sp and if me3 is going to be 2 disks ( I assume but dont know that for sure ) and lets say 4 gb is mp then that only leaves 8.5 gb for all of me3's single player. I just dont see that being in any way fair to someone who has zero interest in co-op.

According to Casey they had problems fitting the game on a 25GB Bluray and were considering moving to a 50GB Bluray, I'd say that you won't have to be worried. Maybe about the number of disks you'll have to swap between

[Spanky Magoo]

Maeshone wrote...


According to Casey they had problems fitting the game on a 25GB Bluray and were considering moving to a 50GB Bluray, I'd say that you won't have to be worried. Maybe about the number of disks you'll have to swap between

Link to where he said that by any chance?

If that does turn out to be the case then consider me a little less cynical about this co-op buisiness, but I will remain on the fence leaning toward mp is a way to create dlc with minimal effort ( populate area with enemies and a few switiches and call it a day ) not saying thats what will happen but like I said Im pretty cynical.

[Maeshone]

Spanky Magoo wrote...

Maeshone wrote...


According to Casey they had problems fitting the game on a 25GB Bluray and were considering moving to a 50GB Bluray, I'd say that you won't have to be worried. Maybe about the number of disks you'll have to swap between

Link to where he said that by any chance?

If that does turn out to be the case then consider me a little less cynical about this co-op buisiness, but I will remain on the fence leaning toward mp is a way to create dlc with minimal effort ( populate area with enemies and a few switiches and call it a day ) not saying thats what will happen but like I said Im pretty cynical.

I'll see if I can find the link, but I've seen it earlier in this thread. Probably very buried right now though, so apologies in advance if I can't find it...

[Spanky Magoo]

no problem.

[didymos1120]

Maeshone wrote...

I'll see if I can find the link, but I've seen it earlier in this thread. Probably very buried right now though, so apologies in advance if I can't find it...

It was Jesse Houston, not Casey Hudson:

@AntiBioticFox At one point there was a worry that we might need a BD50 instead of the norm BD25. We're also trying to not require install.

[CroGamer002]

DeathDragon185 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

We all think one thing or another on this matter, just like he thinks his opinion is correct. We can only wait and see if we have a disaster on our hands or not.

Squee913 thinks his opinion is correct?

That's a blatant lie.

I am more worried about the effect of being able to gain resources in co-op will have on the difficulty and length of the game. If you can gain these resources in co-op, it may be able to ignore some Single Player content.

There are 5 Bioware Studios.

BioWare Edmonton is doing Mass Effect 3 SP and Dragon Age.
BioWare Austin is doing The Old Republic MMO.
BioWare Mythic is doing Warhammer Online.
BioWare Montreal is doing Mass Effect 3 MP.
BioWare Ireland which will do secret projects I presume( it's newest Studio that was created this year in June).

so people will finally stop ****ing?

That I doubt.

[Maeshone]

didymos1120 wrote...

Maeshone wrote...

I'll see if I can find the link, but I've seen it earlier in this thread. Probably very buried right now though, so apologies in advance if I can't find it...

It was Jesse Houston, not Casey Hudson:

@AntiBioticFox At one point there was a worry that we might need a BD50 instead of the norm BD25. We're also trying to not require install.

Thank you. Must've been a bit confused

[Spanky Magoo]

didymos1120 wrote...


It was Jesse Houston, not Casey Hudson:

@AntiBioticFox At one point there was a worry that we might need a BD50 instead of the norm BD25. We're also trying to not require install.

ahh, thanks for that. well the " at one point " tells me it less than 25 but maybe more than 19.5 so I guess its wait and see on the actual size but Im still wary of "nickel and dime"  dlc tactics and will watch closely. Hopefully im just being paranoid but Ive seen it done before.

[shepskisaac]

Darkeus wrote...

BioWare Ireland which will do secret projects I presume( it's newest Studio that was created this year in June).

The studio in Ireland will be only responsible for running TOR one it launches, from what I know.

[Killjoy Cutter]

TobyHasEyes wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

So, you are saying that increase amount of money to develoment does not affect the games end sales at all? Meaning EA did put money in the game and does't want to get it back?

Please, every money put in any product has to also be taken back by selling the product with profit.

 What I mean is that, if you were happy to pay £40 for the SP product, which had used up the limits of its funding, then I don't see why you object to paying the SAME amount for that SAME product (which has used up the limits of its funding) plus some MP content which came from funding that, whether MP had been included or not, would not have gone to the SP content

Money, time, effort, and disk space are all fungible.  Anything that goes to MP could have gone to SP. 

[didymos1120]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Money, time, effort, and disk space are all fungible.  Anything that goes to MP could have gone to SP. 

Now please demonstrate that they would have.  Or you could just say "fungible" yet again.

[TobyHasEyes]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

TobyHasEyes wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

So, you are saying that increase amount of money to develoment does not affect the games end sales at all? Meaning EA did put money in the game and does't want to get it back?

Please, every money put in any product has to also be taken back by selling the product with profit.

 What I mean is that, if you were happy to pay £40 for the SP product, which had used up the limits of its funding, then I don't see why you object to paying the SAME amount for that SAME product (which has used up the limits of its funding) plus some MP content which came from funding that, whether MP had been included or not, would not have gone to the SP content

Money, time, effort, and disk space are all fungible.  Anything that goes to MP could have gone to SP. 

 You know that is the case? I am talking about  Bioware's decisions here; they have a budget to make the SP game.. if EA gave them money specifically to be used to develop a form of multiplayer, and Bioware use it to fund Bioware Montreal making a MP component.. how has this compromised the SP?

 If at the limits of their available funding Bioware has made the SP component of ME3 exactly as they hoped, and then another department uses seperate funding to make MP.. the only compromise will be some overseeing by those at the top.. and the impact of this is surely negligible?

 I am not saying this is definately what happened, but at the same time I don't think it can be said that the mere presence of an MP component means that time/effort/money that otherwise would have been available for SP has been diverted

[Killjoy Cutter]

didymos1120 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Money, time, effort, and disk space are all fungible.  Anything that goes to MP could have gone to SP. 

Now please demonstrate that they would have.  Or you could just say "fungible" yet again.

"Would have" is irrelevent. 

The claim is being made that any resources dedicated to MP are somehow entirely seperate from SP and just would never ever have been spent on SP.  

And that is simply complete nonsense -- any of it could have been spent there instead. 

[Il Divo]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...



"Would have" is irrelevent. 

The claim is being made that any resources dedicated to MP are somehow entirely seperate from SP and just would never ever have been spent on SP.  

And that is simply complete nonsense -- any of it could have been spent there instead. 

But I think that's his point. "Could have" indicates possibility, meaning that even if MP didn't exist there is no guarantee that the resources would go to SP. "Would have" on the other hand indicates certainty, meaning that if MP didn't exist, we know the resources would be placed in the SP.

But I do agree with your bolded. We have no means of knowing that either. It's an issue of certainty either way.  

Modifié par Il Divo, 14 octobre 2011 - 01:51 .

[nelly21]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

"Would have" is irrelevent. 

The claim is being made that any resources dedicated to MP are somehow entirely seperate from SP and just would never ever have been spent on SP.  

And that is simply complete nonsense -- any of it could have been spent there instead. 

It is shocking how silly this argument is.

Bioware laid out their plans to EA. The plans included the SP campaign and Mp (since it's ONE FRACKING GAME). EA decides whether they want to invest or not.

They don't say, "Hey we need funds to make the game and then additional funds to make it super awesome!" All the money spent is for the entire package. Sure there are extra expenditures here and there because of unforeseen circumstances. But to think: "Oh if ME 3 had no multiplayer X amount of dollars would have gone to the SP" is beyond absurd. EA lays out what they have planned along with estimated cost of production. If there were no MP, the same amount would have been spent on SP as is being spent now.

Edit: For God-awful spelling

Modifié par nelly21, 14 octobre 2011 - 01:55 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

nelly21 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

"Would have" is irrelevent. 

The claim is being made that any resources dedicated to MP are somehow entirely seperate from SP and just would never ever have been spent on SP.  

And that is simply complete nonsense -- any of it could have been spent there instead. 

It is shocking how silly this argument is.

Bioware laid out their plans to EA. The plans included the SP campaign and Mp (since it's ONE FRACKING GAME). EA decides whether they want to invest or not.

They don't say, "Hey we need funds to make the game and then additional funds to make it super awesome!" All the money spent is for the entire package. Sure there are extra expenditures here and there because of unforeseen circumstances. But to think: "Oh if ME 3 had no multiplayer X amount of dollars would have gone to the SP" is beyond absurd. EA lays out what they have planned along with estimated cost of production. If there were no MP, the same amount would have been spent on SP as is being spent now.

Ironic that you'd call my argument "silly" and then follow it up with that. 

You don't actually know the exact sequence of events inside Bioware/EA, how the funding was assigned, when the decision to tack on MP was made, etc.  The relatively late change in the release date of many months , followed relatively shortly by the announcement of MP, actually hints at MP not being part of the original plans for ME3. 

And really, I'm not assuming that the resources would have been spent, I'm just refuting the rediculous notion being spouted that they never, ever, ever would have been spent, that they certainly would not have been spent on SP if they had't been spent on MP.

So before you start calling people "silly", perhaps you'd first like to offer up some proof of your claim that the resources just simply could and would not have been spent on SP if they hadn't been spent on MP.  Go on, prove it. 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 14 octobre 2011 - 02:09 .

[nelly21]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Ironic that you'd call my argument "silly" and then follow it up with that. 

Hilarious that you defend your argument with this.

[Il Divo]

Is this really going on right now?

[ArkkAngel007]

 And this is why we can't have nice things.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Bah, nevermind.  Removed.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 14 octobre 2011 - 02:08 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

nelly21 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Ironic that you'd call my argument "silly" and then follow it up with that. 

Hilarious that you defend your argument with this.

I'm sure you think so, chief.

[Beerfish]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Money, time, effort, and disk space are all fungible.  Anything that goes to MP could have gone to SP. 

Now please demonstrate that they would have.  Or you could just say "fungible" yet again.

"Would have" is irrelevent. 

The claim is being made that any resources dedicated to MP are somehow entirely seperate from SP and just would never ever have been spent on SP.  

And that is simply complete nonsense -- any of it could have been spent there instead. 

Silly arguement, any time spent on DA could have gone into ME, any time spent on DLC for ME2 could have gone into ME3.

Until a person can come up with a totally reliable insider saying that they made clear compromises to ME3 to accomodate MP it's baseless speculatuion or that resources that would be used in ME3 were diverted.  Since a whole other studio is doing the MP part your arguement is very weak.

[Il Divo]

Beerfish wrote...


Silly arguement, any time spent on DA could have gone into ME, any time spent on DLC for ME2 could have gone into ME3.

Until a person can come up with a totally reliable insider saying that they made clear compromises to ME3 to accomodate MP it's baseless speculatuion or that resources that would be used in ME3 were diverted.  Since a whole other studio is doing the MP part your arguement is very weak.

Actually, the argument works. Any feature you do not intend to use or do not enjoy results in resources going to areas you dislike. If I love Bioware games but hate Dragon Age for whatever reason, it is acceptable to argue that not creating Dragon Age would have resulted in Bioware working on other projects.

[sylvianfan]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Has anyone seen the crap being pulled on purchasers of the new Batman game? If Bioware pulled that, there would definitely be problems. For those who don't know, the Catwoman portion of the campaign is being pulled to be only accessible to those who purchase the game new and, I do believe, some sort of content pass.

Imagine if the vanguard class or the Mars mission was locked in the game to everyone with a used copy? Ugh...horrible thoughts to end a night with...

Edit: As the multiplayer debate has strayed into the argument of online passes and locking content out to used-game purchasers, I found this info to be relevent, though it deals with single-player elements rather than multiplayer. 

WHAT? Thankfully I've got it pre-ordered, but that's just dirty. Warners for you, sadly.

As for this co-op nonsense, it just sounds like Pinnacle Station/Arrival's wave battles. They weren't much cop.