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[Jokermania5150]

As long as I can 100% my achievements in single player without ANY other required modes I'll be ok.
FAQ the achievement list! I had better be able to 100% without having to go online!!!

[dreman9999]

Jokermania5150 wrote...

As long as I can 100% my achievements in single player without ANY other required modes I'll be ok.
FAQ the achievement list! I had better be able to 100% without having to go online!!!

...Ooops ...to late.

[Jokermania5150]

What happened? What I'd miss?

[Genshie]

Jokermania5150 wrote...

As long as I can 100% my achievements in single player without ANY other required modes I'll be ok.
FAQ the achievement list! I had better be able to 100% without having to go online!!!

I believe the multiplayer co-op/horde mode can be done solo but you are delusional if you think that there won't be any achievements/trophies for it. Whenever there is a multiplayer portion there is always some kind of achievement system involved with it.

[Jokermania5150]

Then they lied when they said you wouldn't have to play MP to get the FULL single player experience. Why would they ruin my happiness like that? Does this mean I'm gonna have to pay for Xbox Live Gold to 100%.

Modifié par Jokermania5150, 15 octobre 2011 - 02:18 .

[ArkkAngel007]

Jog0907 wrote...

I wouldnt mind origin if it worked well at least, but from my experience with bf3 beta the system was simply awful. If they want people to like using it or at least tolerate it they need to you know actually make it work.

I don't think that was Origin as much as DICE/EA running the servers through a web browser in addition to Origin and the game.  It was poorly executed and made my BF3 experience a nightmare at times.  

Hopefully EA won't make the same mistake with ME3.  I see that my DA2 will run on Origin, but I haven't had the time or really felt the urge to run it and see how it is for actual retail titles.  Of course, I'm not sure if that will really count since DA2 is a pure campaign experience.

[didymos1120]

Jokermania5150 wrote...

Then they lied when they said you wouldn't have to play MP to get the FULL single player experience.

OK, well, thing is, multiplayer achievements can't really be considered part of the single-player experience by like, you know, definition. 

[ArkkAngel007]

Genshie wrote...

Jokermania5150 wrote...

As long as I can 100% my achievements in single player without ANY other required modes I'll be ok.
FAQ the achievement list! I had better be able to 100% without having to go online!!!

I believe the multiplayer co-op/horde mode can be done solo but you are delusional if you think that there won't be any achievements/trophies for it. Whenever there is a multiplayer portion there is always some kind of achievement system involved with it.

Not completely true, just 99% trueB).  Resident Evil 5 could be 100% without completing the multiplayer (85%, but you can get the platinum trophy on PS3 which usually is only attainable through 100%), and I know there have been other titles...Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare was another I believe.

I'm not a real achievement hound, though I enjoy trying to accomplish them, but I honestly could care less whether there is or not.  The only thing that would irk me is if they have a ridiculous multiplayer achievement tied to some in-game bonus for completing the achievement.

[Iron Waffle]

Genshie wrote...

Jokermania5150 wrote...

As long as I can 100% my achievements in single player without ANY other required modes I'll be ok.
FAQ the achievement list! I had better be able to 100% without having to go online!!!

I believe the multiplayer co-op/horde mode can be done solo but you are delusional if you think that there won't be any achievements/trophies for it. Whenever there is a multiplayer portion there is always some kind of achievement system involved with it.

None of the Call of Duty games, a very multiplayer-dominated series, have had achievements for multiplayer (save maybe one or two in Black Ops).

As for ME3, ya, they confirmed that there will be co-op achievements.

EDIT: Ninja'd like a boss.

Modifié par Iron Waffle, 15 octobre 2011 - 03:16 .

[didymos1120]

Iron Waffle wrote...

As for ME3, ya, they confirmed that there will be co-op achievements.

Brenon Holmes said they were likely, but they haven't confirmed anything about achievements yet, other than the fact that they'll exist.

[DrFumb1ezX]

didymos1120 wrote...

Iron Waffle wrote...

As for ME3, ya, they confirmed that there will be co-op achievements.

Brenon Holmes said they were likely, but they haven't confirmed anything about achievements yet, other than the fact that they'll exist.

I'm almost certain that the video said that you could get the best ending WITHOUT playing the Co-op, but that playing the Co-op is an alternative way to get things done. You may have to double-check that. 

[Iakus]

soccerchick wrote...=

I'm almost certain that the video said that you could get the best ending WITHOUT playing the Co-op, but that playing the Co-op is an alternative way to get things done. You may have to double-check that. 

Now here's wondering if being able to get the "optimal" ending purely through SP requires finding all the whatever the equivalent to rare minerals, turian insignias are, scanning,/probe launching for metric frack-tons of minerals, etc.

[Il Divo]

iakus wrote...

soccerchick wrote...=

I'm almost certain that the video said that you could get the best ending WITHOUT playing the Co-op, but that playing the Co-op is an alternative way to get things done. You may have to double-check that. 

Now here's wondering if being able to get the "optimal" ending purely through SP requires finding all the whatever the equivalent to rare minerals, turian insignias are, scanning,/probe launching for metric frack-tons of minerals, etc.

That would absolutely suck. Here's hoping the narrative actually plays some role in the optimal ending.

[didymos1120]

soccerchick wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Iron Waffle wrote...

As for ME3, ya, they confirmed that there will be co-op achievements.

Brenon Holmes said they were likely, but they haven't confirmed anything about achievements yet, other than the fact that they'll exist.

I'm almost certain that the video said that you could get the best ending WITHOUT playing the Co-op, but that playing the Co-op is an alternative way to get things done. You may have to double-check that. 

Well, yeah, it did, but that's an entirely different issue from what the achievements will be. 

[Lumikki]

I don't have internet connection in my game computer. That's why I play single player games. (Not only reason)
How can anyone play co-op content without internet connection?

Also developers time spend in MP could have spend to make SP content, like side missions. What would have make SP game longer for those who don't want to or can't play MP content.

All these arguments here are for everyone based what every induvidual wants. Meaning if you want to play co-op missions, you support co-op content. How ever, if you can't use or don't want co-op content, you support SP content. It's totally based everyones own needs as what they want.

Every resource game developers used to something adds total cost of making the game for the game company. Every money spend in the game needs to be get BACK by selling the product. This is basic philosophy of ANY business.

Every content what player WANTS is usefull and every content what player has no use, is getting wasted. Meaning developers wasted they development time for this induvidual, because person did not need that content. How ever, every induvidual allways pays all the games content.

People, don't assume that every player has same needs than you do. If MP content is useless to someone like me, then it is. Just because it's not useless to you, doesn't mean it's not 100% useless for someone else.

Modifié par Lumikki, 15 octobre 2011 - 07:04 .

[Genshie]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Genshie wrote...

Jokermania5150 wrote...

As long as I can 100% my achievements in single player without ANY other required modes I'll be ok.
FAQ the achievement list! I had better be able to 100% without having to go online!!!

I believe the multiplayer co-op/horde mode can be done solo but you are delusional if you think that there won't be any achievements/trophies for it. Whenever there is a multiplayer portion there is always some kind of achievement system involved with it.

Not completely true, just 99% trueB).  Resident Evil 5 could be 100% without completing the multiplayer (85%, but you can get the platinum trophy on PS3 which usually is only attainable through 100%), and I know there have been other titles...Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare was another I believe.

I'm not a real achievement hound, though I enjoy trying to accomplish them, but I honestly could care less whether there is or not.  The only thing that would irk me is if they have a ridiculous multiplayer achievement tied to some in-game bonus for completing the achievement.

 Let me rephrase then the majority of multiplayer feature in most games have achievements for multiplayer. It is safe to assume that most of the time if a game has multiplayer in today's gaming world on any major plateform it will have some form of achievements.

[Gatt9]

didymos1120 wrote...

soccerchick wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Iron Waffle wrote...

As for ME3, ya, they confirmed that there will be co-op achievements.

Brenon Holmes said they were likely, but they haven't confirmed anything about achievements yet, other than the fact that they'll exist.

I'm almost certain that the video said that you could get the best ending WITHOUT playing the Co-op, but that playing the Co-op is an alternative way to get things done. You may have to double-check that. 

Well, yeah, it did, but that's an entirely different issue from what the achievements will be. 

This we can agree on,  because while technically true,  IMO it's a certainty that it is not reasonably true.  The way this is implemented strongly telegraphs a motivation other than adding a feature to improve the game,  primarily because it's sounding very forced.

As I said earlier in the thread,  Fable 2 is a great example,  as is Gears of War strangely enough.  Co-op is possible,  but not necessary in any way.  ME3's is necessary and very instrumental to achieving the optimal solution to a 3 game/7 year story arc.

It could have easily been implemented as simply side stories,  told to give more lore.  It wasn't,  it was designed specifically to be a key component of an impediment.  Strong indicator the motivation is not to implement a fun feature,  but rather to increase revenue,  and given that,  it's highly unlikely it will be implemented such that one can reasonably achieve the optimal solution without submitting to the horrors of multiplayer (No,  I don't consider being forced to play with people who seem to be stuck in a junior high school lockerroom compelling).

People, don't assume that every player has same needs than you do. If MP content is useless to someone like me, then it is. Just because it's not useless to you, doesn't mean it's not 100% useless for someone else.

You're making the same assumption that Thompson was,  that this was implemented to be a "Fun feature".  It's much more likely this was implemented to sell Online Passes,  given how it was implemented.  As such,  it's highly unlikely it'll satisfy everyone or even anyone.

And that's the problem with the whole thing.

No one cares if Co-op is implemented.  Fable 2 and 3 did it,  and everyone shrugged and went on about their day.  Because it was entirely optional,  and didn't affect your ability to get the optimal ending.

This is different.  This is implemented such that it's a component of achieving the optimal ending.  Given Bioware's recent history of being lenient with the truth,  such as their statements on Multiplayer being present,  it's very likely that their statements on how it's "Optional" are equally inaccurate.

It's much more likely it's nigh-mandatory unless you're willing to put up with the most tedious form of gameplay possible.

Simply because it wasn't implemented to give people a fun feature,  it was implemented to sell Online Passes.  "Features" whose entire purpose is just to generate more revenue very,  very,  rarely turn out well.  I'm pretty confident this will turn out badly.

Because I strongly suspect that what's going to actually happen is:  If you want to complete everything in the game,  which is part of what they say you must do,  you're going to have to sit through stuff that makes planet-scanning look like the pinnacle of entertainment.

EA can't sell Online Passes otherwise,  and that's all they're worried about.

Because if that wasn't the case,  they would've used Fable's implementation in some form.

Modifié par Gatt9, 15 octobre 2011 - 07:44 .

[Spanky Magoo]

Gatt9 wrote...


You're making the same assumption that Thompson was,  that this was implemented to be a "Fun feature".  It's much more likely this was implemented to sell Online Passes,  given how it was implemented.  As such,  it's highly unlikely it'll satisfy everyone or even anyone.

And that's the problem with the whole thing.

No one cares if Co-op is implemented.  Fable 2 and 3 did it,  and everyone shrugged and went on about their day.  Because it was entirely optional,  and didn't affect your ability to get the optimal ending.

This is different.  This is implemented such that it's a component of achieving the optimal ending.  Given Bioware's recent history of being lenient with the truth,  such as their statements on Multiplayer being present,  it's very likely that their statements on how it's "Optional" are equally inaccurate.

It's much more likely it's nigh-mandatory unless you're willing to put up with the most tedious form of gameplay possible.

Simply because it wasn't implemented to give people a fun feature,  it was implemented to sell Online Passes.  "Features" whose entire purpose is just to generate more revenue very,  very,  rarely turn out well.  I'm pretty confident this will turn out badly.

Because I strongly suspect that what's going to actually happen is:  If you want to complete everything in the game,  which is part of what they say you must do,  you're going to have to sit through stuff that makes planet-scanning look like the pinnacle of entertainment.

EA can't sell Online Passes otherwise,  and that's all they're worried about.

Because if that wasn't the case,  they would've used Fable's implementation in some form.

I agree but i'd take it a step further They can only do so many character related dlcs but they can pump out " co-op missions " aka populate an area with baddies with what I would think to be minimal effort when compared with relevent story dlcs with VAs and writers.

as of now its wait and see but Ive got a bad feeling.  

Modifié par Spanky Magoo, 15 octobre 2011 - 08:28 .

[masterkajo]

They will likely conisder multiplayer achievements - perhaps only a handfull - just so people have the incentive to try it out. I guess they won't be too hard to complete but rather be a way for people on the edge (who do care about achievements) to try out the multiplayer.

I myself will try the multiplayer and couldn't care less about achievements in my Mass Effect games. I got all of them in ME and ME2 simple by playing through these games. I have my achievement notifications turned off so I never know if and when I earn one. I just don't care about achievements anymore.

Modifié par masterkajo, 15 octobre 2011 - 09:46 .

[Igib]

"Commander Shepard, making bad decisions and watching the galaxy burn around you? Don't worry! Just do our great co-op missions and you'll get your happy ending."

That said, I'm not against co-op (or any form of multiplayer that makes sense) in ME3. But I could also easily live without it. Will I play co-op missions? Certainly. Will I use them to influence my singleplayer story? No.

[Candidate 88766]

Jokermania5150 wrote...

Then they lied when they said you wouldn't have to play MP to get the FULL single player experience. Why would they ruin my happiness like that? Does this mean I'm gonna have to pay for Xbox Live Gold to 100%.

You can play the co-op offline with just yourself.

Also, since when are achievements purely a SP experience? Just because you may not be able to get all the achivements in SP doesn't mean you aren't getting the full SP experience.

[spacehamsterZH]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Not completely true, just 99% trueB).  Resident Evil 5 could be 100% without completing the multiplayer (85%, but you can get the platinum trophy on PS3 which usually is only attainable through 100%)

Wait, so you could get the platinum in RE5 without the MP achievements? That would be kind of funny because ever since the game forced you to download a patch that included trophies for the paid MP DLC, I've been b!tching about what a shady move on Capcom's part that was.

Anyway, I don't usually care that much about trophies and achievements, but ME2 is the only game besides Demon's Souls where I've ever done all of them, so I was kind of hoping I could do it again in ME3, and the existence of MP will likely mean I can't.

Modifié par spacehamsterZH, 15 octobre 2011 - 11:45 .

[PSY the SPY]

Sorry if this has already been explained (and if it's a stupid question), but can you play 2 or 3 player co-op or does it have to be 4 players?
The reason i'm asking is they haven't said (atleast to my knowledge) that it's UP TO 4 players, they've only said that it's 4 player co-op.

[Candidate 88766]

PSY the SPY wrote...

Sorry if this has already been explained (and if it's a stupid question), but can you play 2 or 3 player co-op or does it have to be 4 players?
The reason i'm asking is they haven't said (atleast to my knowledge) that it's UP TO 4 players, they've only said that it's 4 player co-op.

Pretty sure you can play with 1, 2, 3 or 4 players - however, as far as I know the slots you don't use aren't filled with bots, so the fewer players you have the harder it is.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Gatt9 wrote...

Because I strongly suspect that what's going to actually happen is:  If you want to complete everything in the game,  which is part of what they say you must do,  you're going to have to sit through stuff that makes planet-scanning look like the pinnacle of entertainment.

I *seriously* hope this isn't the case...