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[Lumikki]

BickDutt wrote...


Your naivete is amusing.

I don't know what I sayed has to do with me? I was talking how the system works.

[Lunatic LK47]

Forsythia wrote...

So... playing the co-op helps in singleplayer. Does that mean I have to do this for every time I play the singleplayer game? What if the multiplayer is dead after a few months?

I can't be the only Mass Effect player who has multiple playthroughs of both games (i.e. at least 10+ each) and I'm not looking forward to play the co-op each time to get the best ending. Yes, they said it could be done with only one player, but come on, that's not how it's meant, it's co-op.

You know what would solve this issue? Splitscreen offline multiplayer. But I don't think that's an option, sadly.

Bolded for emphasis.

[The Elder King]

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

Forsythia wrote...

So... playing the co-op helps in singleplayer. Does that mean I have to do this for every time I play the singleplayer game? What if the multiplayer is dead after a few months?

I can't be the only Mass Effect player who has multiple playthroughs of both games (i.e. at least 10+ each) and I'm not looking forward to play the co-op each time to get the best ending. Yes, they said it could be done with only one player, but come on, that's not how it's meant, it's co-op.

You know what would solve this issue? Splitscreen offline multiplayer. But I don't think that's an option, sadly.

Bolded for emphasis.

The "best ending" could be achieved without playing coop. I think that after a few playtroughs, it'll not be that hard to know what to do in the single player. I only hope that, unlike ME2, beating the game will be hard (at least the first time).
Though I support splitscreen offline coop.

Modifié par hhh89, 16 octobre 2011 - 10:41 .

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

Well the coop isn't exactly how I had hoped (I wanted it to be the for the main story), but it's good enough. What I am worrying about is if the game will be too easy for me if I finish all of the Galactic Readiness stuff. I wonder if should do my first playthrough on Insanity... Still, that'd only affect combat, not the actual decision-making in the game.

Guess I'll put my questions in the question thread.  BTW guys, thanks for being brave and putting in multiplayer. I appreciated it a lot.

Modifié par Tony_Knightcrawler, 16 octobre 2011 - 11:25 .

[KBomb]

hhh89 wrote...

The "best ending" could be achieved without playing coop. I think that after a few playtroughs, it'll not be that hard to know what to do in the single player. I only hope that, unlike ME2, beating the game will be hard (at least the first time).
Though I support splitscreen offline coop.

It isn’t about knowing what to do to achieve the best ending in single-player as much as it’s if choices that we make raise or lower our readiness points or not. For the sake of discussion, let me use the Collector Base an as example had this point system been in effect during ME2 and assuming how the point system works and basing my question on Casey Hudson’s statement that if you “do really well” in single-player you can still get the ‘maximum ending’.

You decide to destroy the CB and gain 25,000 RP.

You decide to keep the CB and gain only 15,000RP.

Based on making one decision you gain more points than you do if you choose another option. If the decisions you choose through out the game reflects how many RP you gather, then you may have to play MP to get enough points to get the ‘maximum ending’. If this is the case, then this MP will effect how you play the game because it’s dictating how you should play the SP.

Also, he said you’d have to basically be a completist and ‘do really well’. What does that mean? It seems like it means that if you play through ten imports, then each of the ten play throughs you’ll have to complete every mission(even the most mundane ones) and make the right choices to give you enough RP to get the maximum ending or supplement them from MP.


These questions are the only thing bothering me. I don’t want to have those points dictating what decisions I make in SP. If I don’t want to gain krogan allies (ex. Only) then I don’t want to feel like I am forced into doing so just to gain RP.

[BillyMahoney]

I don't think anyone wanted multi player for Mass Effect. I don't understand who you are making this game for anymore. If I wanted to play a multiplayer third person shooter I would choose from the other 20 franchise that are doing that.

Really feel you're taking a dump on the fans of the original. I probably will not purchase ME3. Definitely not buying it new that is for sure. Loved the original probably the greatest sci fi rpg ever made. The story in the 2nd was garbage and it became a third person shooter with rpg elements. I imagine the 3rd one is going to be a linear point A to point B generic shooter. Way too many good rpg's coming out to bother myself with the garbage Bioware calls rpg's these days.

[CAPSLOCK FURY]

BillyMahoney wrote...

I don't think anyone wanted multi player for Mass Effect. I don't understand who you are making this game for anymore. If I wanted to play a multiplayer third person shooter I would choose from the other 20 franchise that are doing that.

Really feel you're taking a dump on the fans of the original. I probably will not purchase ME3. Definitely not buying it new that is for sure. Loved the original probably the greatest sci fi rpg ever made. The story in the 2nd was garbage and it became a third person shooter with rpg elements. I imagine the 3rd one is going to be a linear point A to point B generic shooter. Way too many good rpg's coming out to bother myself with the garbage Bioware calls rpg's these days.

Ok thanks for your input. See you in March.

[Garrison2009]

BillyMahoney wrote...

I don't think anyone wanted multi player for Mass Effect. I don't understand who you are making this game for anymore. If I wanted to play a multiplayer third person shooter I would choose from the other 20 franchise that are doing that.

Really feel you're taking a dump on the fans of the original. I probably will not purchase ME3. Definitely not buying it new that is for sure. Loved the original probably the greatest sci fi rpg ever made. The story in the 2nd was garbage and it became a third person shooter with rpg elements. I imagine the 3rd one is going to be a linear point A to point B generic shooter. Way too many good rpg's coming out to bother myself with the garbage Bioware calls rpg's these days.

I am sick and tired of RPG stick-in-the muds, like Billy here, who, when a game doesnt have all the statistics management they want in it, immediately condemn it for 'appealing to the casual gamer,' tie it to the back of their metaphorical wagon, drag it through the streets, and then jump up and down ontop of its now twisted and mud-stained box, screaming curses and having a general all-out temper tantrum as a result.

Granted, I'm being sarcastic here, but the reaction by RPG fans to alot that Bioware has been doing lately, isnt that far off from the description above... Now we all have different opinions on the direction in which our favorite game franchises should go, but I dont believe it gives us the ability to ruin it for everyone else if it starts going in a direction we dont necessarily approve of. In short, if you dont like it... DONT PLAY IT. Simply as that. No need to waste both your time and ours by coming on here and griping and complaining about it...

[KBomb]

Garrison2009 wrote...

I am sick and tired of RPG stick-in-the muds, like Billy here, who, when a game doesnt have all the statistics management they want in it, immediately condemn it for 'appealing to the casual gamer,' tie it to the back of their metaphorical wagon, drag it through the streets, and then jump up and down ontop of its now twisted and mud-stained box, screaming curses and having a general all-out temper tantrum as a result.

Granted, I'm being sarcastic here, but the reaction by RPG fans to alot that Bioware has been doing lately, isnt that far off from the description above... Now we all have different opinions on the direction in which our favorite game franchises should go, but I dont believe it gives us the ability to ruin it for everyone else if it starts going in a direction we dont necessarily approve of. In short, if you dont like it... DONT PLAY IT. Simply as that. No need to waste both your time and ours by coming on here and griping and complaining about it...

Are you saying that those who aren’t happy about multiplayer should just stay away and not voice their opinions as to why they oppose it? Are you saying that only people who are happy about multiplayer should post their thoughts and opinions?

I don’t think people voicing their dislikes, opinions and thoughts is going to ruin the game for you or anyone else and if someone allows that, then maybe they shouldn’t read such opinions.

[CAPSLOCK FURY]

KBomb wrote...

Are you saying that those who aren’t happy about multiplayer should just stay away and not voice their opinions as to why they oppose it? Are you saying that only people who are happy about multiplayer should post their thoughts and opinions?

I don’t think people voicing their dislikes, opinions and thoughts is going to ruin the game for you or anyone else and if someone allows that, then maybe they shouldn’t read such opinions.

No. We're saying to quit with the temper tantrums, thread spamming, personal and sweeping insults, and talk about it like you have evolved past the point of a caveman. Drive by "I canceled my preorder because you ruined my game!" posts, going through all the threads posting the same thing repeatedly (especially when it's baseless accusations), and degrading anyone that doesn't fall in line behind you is getting really boring.

[Garrison2009]

KBomb wrote...

Garrison2009 wrote...

I am sick and tired of RPG stick-in-the muds, like Billy here, who, when a game doesnt have all the statistics management they want in it, immediately condemn it for 'appealing to the casual gamer,' tie it to the back of their metaphorical wagon, drag it through the streets, and then jump up and down ontop of its now twisted and mud-stained box, screaming curses and having a general all-out temper tantrum as a result.

Granted, I'm being sarcastic here, but the reaction by RPG fans to alot that Bioware has been doing lately, isnt that far off from the description above... Now we all have different opinions on the direction in which our favorite game franchises should go, but I dont believe it gives us the ability to ruin it for everyone else if it starts going in a direction we dont necessarily approve of. In short, if you dont like it... DONT PLAY IT. Simply as that. No need to waste both your time and ours by coming on here and griping and complaining about it...

Are you saying that those who aren’t happy about multiplayer should just stay away and not voice their opinions as to why they oppose it? Are you saying that only people who are happy about multiplayer should post their thoughts and opinions?

I don’t think people voicing their dislikes, opinions and thoughts is going to ruin the game for you or anyone else and if someone allows that, then maybe they shouldn’t read such opinions.

If you've been a member of these boards for more than one week together, you've heard the outroar by RPG fans before. It simply seems that everytime Bioware tries ANYTHING new at all, the fans pick up their pitchforks and torches and head off to burn, pillage, and create general mayhem and chaos. I mean seriously.. Bioware deserves to be able to branch out and try new things if they want, rather than being stuck creating practically the same type of game over and over. Now I have nothing against good strong RPG games, I simply believe that people need to be more flexible.

The ironic part is when RPG players complain about games like Call of Duty being repetitive, when they turn around and play the same kind of games again and again. "Level up Dexterity. Collect 5 of this kind of berry. Equip enchanted vest of +12 Strength." Talk about TRULY repetitive... And, as I said before, I personally love games like that, but I dont limit myself to them alone.

[KBomb]

CAPSLOCK FURY wrote...

No. We're saying to quit with the temper tantrums, thread spamming, personal and sweeping insults, and talk about it like you have evolved past the point of a caveman. Drive by "I canceled my preorder because you ruined my game!" posts, going through all the threads posting the same thing repeatedly (especially when it's baseless accusations), and degrading anyone that doesn't fall in line behind you is getting really boring.

When you use the term “you”, I am assuming you are not directing this to me, since I have not said anything like of the sort. People also have every right to mention they canceled their pre-orders because they are not happy with the aspect of the game and as far as insults go, I have seen them used by both sides of the fence, unless you think being called a “stick-in-the-mud” is rising above it all and being the better person. Or perhaps you think it’s rising above petty insults when people who aren’t satisfied with MP are being patronized about their concerns by being told “get over it”, or “don’t like it, don’t buy it!” and so on and so on. And please, what baseless accusations are being used? This is an honest question with no sarcasm. I really want to know what baseless accusations you think are being made.

[Garrison2009]

CAPSLOCK FURY wrote...

KBomb wrote...

Are you saying that those who aren’t happy about multiplayer should just stay away and not voice their opinions as to why they oppose it? Are you saying that only people who are happy about multiplayer should post their thoughts and opinions?

I don’t think people voicing their dislikes, opinions and thoughts is going to ruin the game for you or anyone else and if someone allows that, then maybe they shouldn’t read such opinions.

No. We're saying to quit with the temper tantrums, thread spamming, personal and sweeping insults, and talk about it like you have evolved past the point of a caveman. Drive by "I canceled my preorder because you ruined my game!" posts, going through all the threads posting the same thing repeatedly (especially when it's baseless accusations), and degrading anyone that doesn't fall in line behind you is getting really boring.

You go, Capslock! lol

[KBomb]

Garrison2009 wrote...

If you've been a member of these boards for more than one week together, you've heard the outroar by RPG fans before. It simply seems that everytime Bioware tries ANYTHING new at all, the fans pick up their pitchforks and torches and head off to burn, pillage, and create general mayhem and chaos. I mean seriously.. Bioware deserves to be able to branch out and try new things if they want, rather than being stuck creating practically the same type of game over and over. Now I have nothing against good strong RPG games, I simply believe that people need to be more flexible.

The ironic part is when RPG players complain about games like Call of Duty being repetitive, when they turn around and play the same kind of games again and again. "Level up Dexterity. Collect 5 of this kind of berry. Equip enchanted vest of +12 Strength." Talk about TRULY repetitive... And, as I said before, I personally love games like that, but I dont limit myself to them alone.

I do see your point and of course I have seen it. It still goes on over on the DA2 forums with a fury. The thing is, when a thread is made about discussing an aspect of a game, you’re going to hear opinions for and against. Some express these concerns or opinions eloquently, while others do not. Regardless, it is their opinion and since it’s a discussion thread and not a “Multiplayer: Tell us how much you love it!” thread, you have to expect the ones who aren’t happy with it will...discuss it.
It reminds me of those character discussion threads that fill up with squees and as soon as someone posts their dislike of said character, they are told “If you don’t like this character, then don’t post!”

[CAPSLOCK FURY]

KBomb wrote...

CAPSLOCK FURY wrote...

No. We're saying to quit with the temper tantrums, thread spamming, personal and sweeping insults, and talk about it like you have evolved past the point of a caveman. Drive by "I canceled my preorder because you ruined my game!" posts, going through all the threads posting the same thing repeatedly (especially when it's baseless accusations), and degrading anyone that doesn't fall in line behind you is getting really boring.

When you use the term “you”, I am assuming you are not directing this to me, since I have not said anything like of the sort. People also have every right to mention they canceled their pre-orders because they are not happy with the aspect of the game and as far as insults go, I have seen them used by both sides of the fence, unless you think being called a “stick-in-the-mud” is rising above it all and being the better person. Or perhaps you think it’s rising above petty insults when people who aren’t satisfied with MP are being patronized about their concerns by being told “get over it”, or “don’t like it, don’t buy it!” and so on and so on. And please, what baseless accusations are being used? This is an honest question with no sarcasm. I really want to know what baseless accusations you think are being made.

That was a general you. Not a finger point. The "I canceled my pre-order" posts are all fine and dandy if there's some actual substance to them. The VAST majority of them are just people throwing a tantrum, making a drive by post about how evil Bioware is, and leaving or going on about how us "fanboys" are beyond redemption without even attempting to join an actual discussion about it.

As for the accusations oh lets see...
The conspiracy theories that it was just so they cut put in Online Passes or force Origin on us.
The ever so popular "This clearly took away from the SP campaign".
etc. etc.

They might even be true, but just because someone thinks they are doesn't make them facts, and that's the part that most of them have a problem with. "It's my opinion and therefore an irrefutable fact." statements have been pretty widespread. I realize that there are people on both sides doing it, and I think no higher of the ones on the pro-MP side of the fence doing it for the most part. I think that the ones starting it deserve getting repaid in kind, though.

[Garrison2009]

KBomb wrote...

Garrison2009 wrote...

If you've been a member of these boards for more than one week together, you've heard the outroar by RPG fans before. It simply seems that everytime Bioware tries ANYTHING new at all, the fans pick up their pitchforks and torches and head off to burn, pillage, and create general mayhem and chaos. I mean seriously.. Bioware deserves to be able to branch out and try new things if they want, rather than being stuck creating practically the same type of game over and over. Now I have nothing against good strong RPG games, I simply believe that people need to be more flexible.

The ironic part is when RPG players complain about games like Call of Duty being repetitive, when they turn around and play the same kind of games again and again. "Level up Dexterity. Collect 5 of this kind of berry. Equip enchanted vest of +12 Strength." Talk about TRULY repetitive... And, as I said before, I personally love games like that, but I dont limit myself to them alone.

I do see your point and of course I have seen it. It still goes on over on the DA2 forums with a fury. The thing is, when a thread is made about discussing an aspect of a game, you’re going to hear opinions for and against. Some express these concerns or opinions eloquently, while others do not. Regardless, it is their opinion and since it’s a discussion thread and not a “Multiplayer: Tell us how much you love it!” thread, you have to expect the ones who aren’t happy with it will...discuss it.
It reminds me of those character discussion threads that fill up with squees and as soon as someone posts their dislike of said character, they are told “If you don’t like this character, then don’t post!”

I guess I'm just tired of hearing people state, as Capslock said just now, that their opinion must be absolute fact and that anyone and everyone else who disagrees with them must be morons and that Bioware and all franchises they ever come out with in future will be terrible and watered down... Becuase they said so. So forgive me for my 'Stick-in-the-mud' comment. It was spoken out of exasperation.

[KBomb]

CAPSLOCK FURY wrote...

That was a general you. Not a finger point. The "I canceled my pre-order" posts are all fine and dandy if there's some actual substance to them. The VAST majority of them are just people throwing a tantrum, making a drive by post about how evil Bioware is, and leaving or going on about how us "fanboys" are beyond redemption without even attempting to join an actual discussion about it.

I have seen tantrums on both sides. I have seen immaturity on both sides. One isn’t better than the other.

As for the accusations oh lets see...
The conspiracy theories that it was just so they cut put in Online Passes or force Origin on us.
The ever so popular "This clearly took away from the SP campaign".
etc. etc.

 
Those are valid concerns.

They might even be true, but just because someone thinks they are doesn't make them facts, and that's the part that most of them have a problem with. "It's my opinion and therefore an irrefutable fact." statements have been pretty widespread.

You mean like the pro-MP people stating that because they see MP as a good thing, everyone else should to? How in no certain terms will MP ever effect SP? How everyone who dislikes the thoughts of MP are just sticks-in-the-mud, or haters, or just want to rip on EA and Bioware, Etc. etc. Those kinds of opinions that are being passed off as irrefutable truth?

 
I realize that there are people on both sides doing it, and I think no higher of the ones on the pro-MP side of the fence doing it for the most part. I think that the ones starting it deserve getting repaid in kind, though.

Why can't they just ignore it and not read those terrible posts? You know, like the ones who dislike MP should just not play it?

[KBomb]

Garrison2009 wrote...

I guess I'm just tired of hearing people state, as Capslock said just now, that their opinion must be absolute fact and that anyone and everyone else who disagrees with them must be morons and that Bioware and all franchises they ever come out with in future will be terrible and watered down... Becuase they said so. So forgive me for my 'Stick-in-the-mud' comment. It was spoken out of exasperation.

No need to be forgiven.  It wasn’t directed at me and didn’t offend me in the least. I was just using it as an example.

[Garrison2009]

KBomb wrote...

Garrison2009 wrote...

I guess I'm just tired of hearing people state, as Capslock said just now, that their opinion must be absolute fact and that anyone and everyone else who disagrees with them must be morons and that Bioware and all franchises they ever come out with in future will be terrible and watered down... Becuase they said so. So forgive me for my 'Stick-in-the-mud' comment. It was spoken out of exasperation.

No need to be forgiven.  It wasn’t directed at me and didn’t offend me in the least. I was just using it as an example.

lol, well good. I for one am waiting till Mass Effect 3 actually comes out before I pass final judgement on the Multiplayer aspect. Does it sound cool? Yes, I must admit, it does. Will it remain cool if it detracts from the SP Campaign? Not at all. I am willing to give Bioware the benefit of the doubt however, as I can understand their willingness to expand their game types and if it DOESNT detract from the SP campaign... Then it's gonna be awesome. Besides, even though many hated Dragon Age 2, Bioware has never really disapointed me yet and I have faith (Or hope maybe) that they will not do so with ME3.

[CAPSLOCK FURY]

KBomb wrote...

I have seen tantrums on both sides. I have seen immaturity on both sides. One isn’t better than the other.

I just said it was on both sides. I also said that the ones starting it deserve getting it back.

Those are valid concerns.

Concerns. They are not *facts*. Which is what people want us to believe, regardless of the lack of actual evidence to back up the claims. Without evidence to support them they are nothing more than theories and opinions. If you want to believe that it's true, go ahead. Don't shove it down my throat when I won't swallow it at face value.

You mean like the pro-MP people stating that because they see MP as a good thing, everyone else should to? How in no certain terms will MP ever effect SP? How everyone who dislikes the thoughts of MP are just sticks-in-the-mud, or haters, or just want to rip on EA and Bioware, Etc. etc. Those kinds of opinions that are being passed off as irrefutable truth?

It may seem that way since people are getting sick of seeing someone bust into every thread they can to copypasta something that they posted in 14 other threads, or completely ignore something right in front of their face so they can continue to spout their irrational hatred towards something because they read it on a gaming news site.

Why can't they just ignore it and not read those terrible posts? You know, like the ones who dislike MP should just not play it?

They might, if they would keep it to the threads that serve the purpose of discussing their like or dislike of the MP aspect. Since they have not, I see no reason why we should just let them have free reign over the forums.

Modifié par CAPSLOCK FURY, 17 octobre 2011 - 03:07 .

[KBomb]

CAPSLOCK FURY wrote...

Concerns. They are not *facts*. Which is what people want us to believe, regardless of the lack of actual evidence to back up the claims. Without evidence to support them they are nothing more than theories and opinions. If you want to believe that it's true, go ahead. Don't shove it down my throat when I won't swallow it at face value.

Where has someone said it was a fact and not their opinion? Who has said, "This is an absolute fact and not how I see things as being." Stating "Bioware is doing this so people can purchase an online pass." isn't the same as saying, "It's a known fact that Bioware is doing this so people will have to purchase an online pass!" The first can be taken as opinion, unlike the second. So again, is there an instance of someone stating these concerns are based off what they believe to be undeniable truth as opposed to what they see as something that could be a concern.

It may seem that way since people are getting sick of seeing someone bust into every thread they can to copypasta something that they posted in 14 other threads, or completely ignore something right in front of their face so they can continue to spout their irrational hatred towards something because they read it on a gaming news site.

Example of this, please.

[FFinfinity1]

PSY the SPY wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

PSY the SPY wrote...

Sorry if this has already been explained (and if it's a stupid question), but can you play 2 or 3 player co-op or does it have to be 4 players?
The reason i'm asking is they haven't said (atleast to my knowledge) that it's UP TO 4 players, they've only said that it's 4 player co-op.

Pretty sure you can play with 1, 2, 3 or 4 players - however, as far as I know the slots you don't use aren't filled with bots, so the fewer players you have the harder it is.

Ok, thx for the answer

Just wanted to know if i could play co-op with just my brother, or if i would have to play with random people.
I'm not the most social person, so i have some issues playing co-op with people i don't know.

Yea same, i'm not the most talkative guy at the party, if at all, thats why i'm trying to get my friends to get ME3 so we can co-op it up, but i wouldn't mind playing with strangers.

[BillyMahoney]

I just don't recall people ringing Biowares phone off the hook for a multiplayer feature. Why even go that direction? It's simply a tool to sell online passes. I have no problem with how EA and Bioware want to make money but I feel that they are retarding the game to the level of gears of war. You're right I don't have to buy it and I probably wont. I just felt this was an area to air my displeasure.

[dreman9999]

KBomb wrote...

Garrison2009 wrote...

I am sick and tired of RPG stick-in-the muds, like Billy here, who, when a game doesnt have all the statistics management they want in it, immediately condemn it for 'appealing to the casual gamer,' tie it to the back of their metaphorical wagon, drag it through the streets, and then jump up and down ontop of its now twisted and mud-stained box, screaming curses and having a general all-out temper tantrum as a result.

Granted, I'm being sarcastic here, but the reaction by RPG fans to alot that Bioware has been doing lately, isnt that far off from the description above... Now we all have different opinions on the direction in which our favorite game franchises should go, but I dont believe it gives us the ability to ruin it for everyone else if it starts going in a direction we dont necessarily approve of. In short, if you dont like it... DONT PLAY IT. Simply as that. No need to waste both your time and ours by coming on here and griping and complaining about it...

Are you saying that those who aren’t happy about multiplayer should just stay away and not voice their opinions as to why they oppose it? Are you saying that only people who are happy about multiplayer should post their thoughts and opinions?

Yes, Why? Because it will not effecty ou...You don't have to play the mp. You will lose nothing for not playing the mp. You can get everything you can get from the mp in the sp. You just complaining about it exsisting.

[KBomb]

dreman9999 wrote...

Yes, Why? Because it will not effecty ou...You don't have to play the mp. You will lose nothing for not playing the mp. You can get everything you can get from the mp in the sp. You just complaining about it exsisting.

I don’t think I have complained once about it “just existing”. And about the rest of your post, you’ve obviously skipped over my concerns and those of others or maybe you have selective reading. Either way, it doesn’t surprise me.

And about the posts that are complaining just because MP exist and they wish it did not. Well, it doesn’t effect you. You don’t have to read those posts. You will lose nothing if you do not read those complaints. You can still read all the “Yippee Multiplayer!” posts even if you ignore the complaining posts. You just complain about them existing.