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[CAPSLOCK FURY]

KBomb wrote...

Where has someone said it was a fact and not their opinion? Who has said, "This is an absolute fact and not how I see things as being." Stating "Bioware is doing this so people can purchase an online pass." isn't the same as saying, "It's a known fact that Bioware is doing this so people will have to purchase an online pass!" The first can be taken as opinion, unlike the second. So again, is there an instance of someone stating these concerns are based off what they believe to be undeniable truth as opposed to what they see as something that could be a concern.

Example of this, please.

http://social.biowar...23577/6#8530519

You can see more from the same guy spamming about Online passes in his post history too. In multiple threads, most of which are not about voicing your displeasure at MP.

Also, a couple replies prior to this one.

Modifié par CAPSLOCK FURY, 17 octobre 2011 - 05:22 .

[KBomb]

CAPSLOCK FURY wrote...

[http://social.biowar...23577/6#8530519

You can see more from the same guy spamming about Online passes in his post history too. In multiple threads, most of which are not about voicing your displeasure at MP.

Also, a couple replies prior to this one.

Are you talking about sympathyforsaren?

Bad example since he states these words in his posts:

Wow. People get defensive when someone simply states their own opinion anti-multiplayer.

He clearly stated it was his opinion. SO he thinks it will be a lame game, so? His opinion. Again:

I would love to engage you legitimate, mature argumentation. Although, as I have stated before, many factors are based upon pure individual perception and viewpoints will be varying depending on how one analyzes it for themselves. In other words, basic objectivism.

He states that many factors based on his opinion are purely individual perceptions and viewpoints on how he analyzes it.

You may not like what he has to say, but it is his opinion and he even says as much. Do people have to start putting disclosures on every single post they make for the ones who cannot distinguish the difference? “WARNING: This post is pure opinion only!”

[CAPSLOCK FURY]

KBomb wrote...



Are you talking about sympathyforsaren?

Bad example since he states these words in his posts:

Gatt. Exactly the post that the link heads to.

and he clearly states "It's not my opinion,  it is simply fact.  Live with it."

Modifié par CAPSLOCK FURY, 17 octobre 2011 - 05:36 .

[KBomb]

CAPSLOCK FURY wrote...

Gatt. Exactly the post that the link heads to.

and he clearly states "It's not my opinion,  it is simply fact.  Live with it."

Apologies, I see it now. However, it doesn’t change the fact that it’s his opinion. He states it’s a fact, but you know it is an opinion, I know it’s an opinion and he knows it. He sounds very pompous when relaying his opinion, why would you even care what he says? It’s still his opinion. It’s clear he is one of those people who doesn’t care for EA. His posts do not negate the ones where people have legitimate concerns, like myself. To say that people who have complaints should stop posting is absurd and just like every other troll post: report them, ignore them and move on. To hold those with genuine complaints and concerns in the same regards as the trolls is just as bad as the ones who say that every person who is happy about MP are all biodrones.

[WilliamFDrake]

I hope there will be crossplaying. A firend of mine plays on 360 and my selfe will play on pc... 

[CAPSLOCK FURY]

KBomb wrote...

Apologies, I see it now. However, it doesn’t change the fact that it’s his opinion. He states it’s a fact, but you know it is an opinion, I know it’s an opinion and he knows it. He sounds very pompous when relaying his opinion, why would you even care what he says? It’s still his opinion. It’s clear he is one of those people who doesn’t care for EA. His posts do not negate the ones where people have legitimate concerns, like myself. To say that people who have complaints should stop posting is absurd and just like every other troll post: report them, ignore them and move on. To hold those with genuine complaints and concerns in the same regards as the trolls is just as bad as the ones who say that every person who is happy about MP are all biodrones.

You wanted an example, he's a prime one. Normally, I don't care, but if you go through his history you'll see he has a habit of spamming every thread he can with it, which is why people are getting sick of it. That particular thread, even, was about what people planned on playing and they busted in there to shove their opinions or "facts", in his case, in their faces. If they want to rant about how evil EA is in the threads that are for it, they can cry their heads off for all I care.

Modifié par CAPSLOCK FURY, 17 octobre 2011 - 06:05 .

[dreman9999]

KBomb wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Yes, Why? Because it will not effecty ou...You don't have to play the mp. You will lose nothing for not playing the mp. You can get everything you can get from the mp in the sp. You just complaining about it exsisting.

I don’t think I have complained once about it “just existing”. And about the rest of your post, you’ve obviously skipped over my concerns and those of others or maybe you have selective reading. Either way, it doesn’t surprise me.

And about the posts that are complaining just because MP exist and they wish it did not. Well, it doesn’t effect you. You don’t have to read those posts. You will lose nothing if you do not read those complaints. You can still read all the “Yippee Multiplayer!” posts even if you ignore the complaining posts. You just complain about them existing.

If your complaining about it...You are complaining about it exsisting. You would complain about no matter how it was made, no matter how well the consept is....And the consept is very good for mp.
And No I don't have select reading. Just that your conserns about it is unsounded....(Exsept everyones(pc users) consern about origin.) No matter how you cut it, it won't take away from the sp, which is the most important part of the game. Any consern with with the mp ends with one statement.....You do not have to play the mp.

[KBomb]

dreman9999 wrote...

If your complaining about it...You are complaining about it exsisting. You would complain about no matter how it was made, no matter how well the consept is....And the consept is very good for mp.
And No I don't have select reading. Just that your conserns about it is unsounded....(Exsept everyones(pc users) consern about origin.) No matter how you cut it, it won't take away from the sp, which is the most important part of the game. Any consern with with the mp ends with one statement.....You do not have to play the mp.

Nonsense. I don’t care that it exists. I’m not concerned about the fact that ME3 has MP, only about how MP will be implemented. Do not presume to speak for me or to put words in my mouth. Show me once where I have said I hated the fact MP existed. And the fact that you say MP is a good concept is purely your opinion. There are lots of people who don’t mind the multiplayer, they just want to know how it will affect certain aspects of SP, or their internet connection and play style. It’s silly to think anyone who has concerns are just complaining about the existence of it.

And how are my concerns unsounded? Do you have a link stating that our decisions in SP won’t affect our RP? If so, I would love to see it, since that is what my concerns come from. Do you have the definition of the phrase “do really well” and what it means as far as choices, allies, sacrifices? If so, I would love to see it, since that is what another concern I have comes from. Do you know if we’ll have to get 100% on each and every play through to get enough RP to get the ’maximum ending’, or if we skip missions we’ll have to supplement those points in MP for additional imports? Do you know if you do play MP, do you have to unlock all the species in SP in order to have them in MP, or if it’s exclusive to only one or two races? If these concerns have been addressed by a dev and I have missed it, then by all means show me the links. I would love to have these things answered. Until then, do not tell me “Just do not have to play MP.” Because “You don’t have to play it.” and “There is no reason at all to play it.” are two different things. One implies that if you don’t mind completing 100% of all quests, and making all the right choices, you don’t have to play it, while the other implies “ You can choice which missions to do, which allies you want, and which sacrifices to make and still have enough RP without having to touch MP.” So, yeah--links please.

[WilliamFDrake]

First of all, it sounds more like an co-op than an MP. An please dont talk about conjectures. Wait for the facts.

[Lumikki]

CAPSLOCK FURY wrote...

No. We're saying to quit with the temper tantrums, thread spamming, personal and sweeping insults, and talk about it like you have evolved past the point of a caveman. Drive by "I canceled my preorder because you ruined my game!" posts, going through all the threads posting the same thing repeatedly (especially when it's baseless accusations), and degrading anyone that doesn't fall in line behind you is getting really boring.

I agree the tone of post thing, as people should express them self more constructive and polite manner, but I'm not sure do I agree the other point what previous poster did say.

Example RPG fans was arguing in past how much something changed from RPG to shooter direction. They made some very valid poits there too, but in the end everyone has to accept those changes, because what ME serie is and not what we hope it to be. Like now we have to accept that MP (Co-op)  is part of the game. So, you have valid point there about that we should accept things as they are.

How ever, there is one difference between these changes. Meaning everyone could play every changed content, even RPG's fans because it was still single player game, but without friends or internet connection you can't play MP content how it should be played.

So saying I'm not gonna pay full price of game because of it, but wait untill price drops, is valid statement. It's actually smart one too, because why pay money from content what is useless to you self. Could RPG fans made same as not play full price because content isn't perfect for them, yes they could. We players vote with our wallet.

Will I buy the ME3? I think so, unless something major happen, I don't see why not, I wanna finish my Shepard story. Do I pay full price ? Hell No, I don't pay multi-players fun in single player games from my wallet, when I don't even have internet connection on my game computer, do you have anything agaist my personal choise?

As for other comments as how MP may affect SP gameplay, I think it's valid consern to express. Because many of us are buying ME3 because single player game, not because multi-player feature. Same way that RPG fans had valid consern to express the direction to be too much shooter direction. What the end result of the game will be, we just have to accept is as it is, because game is what it is and we can't change it. But we can allways express our conserns, if it's done polite and constructive manner.

Modifié par Lumikki, 17 octobre 2011 - 09:51 .

[CptBomBom00]

I will buy it the second it comes out in the shops here in England, an it will cost 39.99 like every new game that is not preorder, and also if I would buy second hand preorder game would I have the N7 stuff?

[Garrison2009]

KBomb wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

If your complaining about it...You are complaining about it exsisting. You would complain about no matter how it was made, no matter how well the consept is....And the consept is very good for mp.
And No I don't have select reading. Just that your conserns about it is unsounded....(Exsept everyones(pc users) consern about origin.) No matter how you cut it, it won't take away from the sp, which is the most important part of the game. Any consern with with the mp ends with one statement.....You do not have to play the mp.

Nonsense. I don’t care that it exists. I’m not concerned about the fact that ME3 has MP, only about how MP will be implemented. Do not presume to speak for me or to put words in my mouth. Show me once where I have said I hated the fact MP existed. And the fact that you say MP is a good concept is purely your opinion. There are lots of people who don’t mind the multiplayer, they just want to know how it will affect certain aspects of SP, or their internet connection and play style. It’s silly to think anyone who has concerns are just complaining about the existence of it.

And how are my concerns unsounded? Do you have a link stating that our decisions in SP won’t affect our RP? If so, I would love to see it, since that is what my concerns come from. Do you have the definition of the phrase “do really well” and what it means as far as choices, allies, sacrifices? If so, I would love to see it, since that is what another concern I have comes from. Do you know if we’ll have to get 100% on each and every play through to get enough RP to get the ’maximum ending’, or if we skip missions we’ll have to supplement those points in MP for additional imports? Do you know if you do play MP, do you have to unlock all the species in SP in order to have them in MP, or if it’s exclusive to only one or two races? If these concerns have been addressed by a dev and I have missed it, then by all means show me the links. I would love to have these things answered. Until then, do not tell me “Just do not have to play MP.” Because “You don’t have to play it.” and “There is no reason at all to play it.” are two different things. One implies that if you don’t mind completing 100% of all quests, and making all the right choices, you don’t have to play it, while the other implies “ You can choice which missions to do, which allies you want, and which sacrifices to make and still have enough RP without having to touch MP.” So, yeah--links please.

Good questions you bring up there. It will be interesting to see if you will be able to boost your readiness points with the MP and still be able to achieve the maximum ending without making all the 'right' decisions in SP. I actually hope this is not so, as it would make the consequences for making the 'wrong' decisions, less meaningful as you would be able to make it thorugh, purely on your performance in MP, or at least partially. I'm confident however, that. in whatever way they set up the collection of Readiness points, they've balanced the tables between SP and MP.

[KBomb]

WilliamFDrake wrote...

First of all, it sounds more like an co-op than an MP. An please dont talk about conjectures. Wait for the facts.

 
Co-op is a type of multiplayer and all we have now is a miniscule amount of information through interviews, tweets, quotes and facts they give to us. It’s normal that if you hear something within those small items that give you pause, you’ll be concerned. And people will remain so until all the information has been released, or at least any information released that addresses their particular concern.

[clone wars]

can i play this Galaxy at War and the 4 player co-op multiplayer offline play or is just for online

[Killjoy Cutter]

KBomb wrote...

Nonsense. I don’t care that it exists. I’m not concerned about the fact that ME3 has MP, only about how MP will be implemented. Do not presume to speak for me or to put words in my mouth. Show me once where I have said I hated the fact MP existed. And the fact that you say MP is a good concept is purely your opinion. There are lots of people who don’t mind the multiplayer, they just want to know how it will affect certain aspects of SP, or their internet connection and play style. It’s silly to think anyone who has concerns are just complaining about the existence of it.

That's Dreman's style of "discussion".   He's either committed to being disingenuous, or incapable of reading what's on the page in front of him.  I'm at the point where I'm not wasting my time on his crap.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 17 octobre 2011 - 01:13 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

CAPSLOCK FURY wrote...
As for the accusations oh lets see...
The conspiracy theories that it was just so they cut put in Online Passes or force Origin on us.

The timing and the details certainly make it look that way. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Jokermania5150 wrote...

Then they lied when they said you wouldn't have to play MP to get the FULL single player experience. Why would they ruin my happiness like that? Does this mean I'm gonna have to pay for Xbox Live Gold to 100%.

You can play the co-op offline with just yourself.

Where is this sayed?

I mean, there is different have ability soloing MP content ONLINE, than soloing MP content OFFLINE.

I'm sure someone can find the quote, but I'm certain you can play the missions solo. And I've never seen a game where you have to be online to play something solo. You need the online pass to play online, but I'd be shocked if you can't play alone offline on the co-op missions.

I certainly hope you're right.

[Killjoy Cutter]

didymos1120 wrote...

Iron Waffle wrote...

As for ME3, ya, they confirmed that there will be co-op achievements.

Brenon Holmes said they were likely, but they haven't confirmed anything about achievements yet, other than the fact that they'll exist.

Of all the reasons to be concerned about MP in ME3... achievements just seem so superfluous.  I couldn't even tell you which achievements I do or don't have in ME1, ME2, DAO, or DA2. 

[Gimli444]

so much time wasted whining... if you have already decided how the half-finished game will be when finished, then go join a psychic fair and spare us of your pointless drivel. If you cared enough about the franchise you'd think you'd care enough to actually play it before condemning it.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Gimli444 wrote...

so much time wasted whining... if you have already decided how the half-finished game will be when finished, then go join a psychic fair and spare us of your pointless drivel. If you cared enough about the franchise you'd think you'd care enough to actually play it before condemning it.

The idea that I should "care" about a game franchise.... whatever. 

Either they make a game that I like, and I buy it and play it, or they don't, and I don't and don't.  Inclusion of MP with all the related crap and potential pitfalls makes it less likely to be a game that I like, end of story, no discussion necessary. 


For years, some "world travelling" friends told me I should try caviar, tried to get me to try it whenever they brought some back.  I always said "no thanks, I wouldn't like salty fish eggs".  Finally, I gave in, and tried it. 

Do you know what cavier tastes like?  Salty fish eggs. 

So anyone dragging out that old tired pathetic nonsense about "you never know until you've tried it" can go suck a salty fish egg, and keep their platitudes to themselves.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 17 octobre 2011 - 03:29 .

[Garrison2009]

clone wars wrote...

can i play this Galaxy at War and the 4 player co-op multiplayer offline play or is just for online

It hasnt yet been determined, but I AM hoping that they have an offline version. Would make it alot more versatile on whether you wanted to play with other people or not.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Garrison2009 wrote...

clone wars wrote...

can i play this Galaxy at War and the 4 player co-op multiplayer offline play or is just for online

It hasnt yet been determined, but I AM hoping that they have an offline version. Would make it alot more versatile on whether you wanted to play with other people or not.

That would be my preference.  A setup of that type would also run counter to the concern that this is being done for non-game-design reasons. 

[KBomb]

Gimli444 wrote...

so much time wasted whining... if you have already decided how the half-finished game will be when finished, then go join a psychic fair and spare us of your pointless drivel. If you cared enough about the franchise you'd think you'd care enough to actually play it before condemning it.

So much time whining, you say? Right back at you, since you’re whining about people expressing their concerns. Your pointless drivel is no better.

It’s because I care about Mass Effect that I have concerns, not condemnations. I want ME3 to succeed.


Like many others, I have played this game from the beginning, I have invested hundreds of hours into this franchise. I pre-ordered the ME3 CE as soon as I could and intend to keep the pre-order. I do have questions and concerns about this new feature, though and as a consumer, it’s well within my right. If you have no concerns and questions, then bully for you.

[dreman9999]

KBomb wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

If your complaining about it...You are complaining about it exsisting. You would complain about no matter how it was made, no matter how well the consept is....And the consent is very good for mp.
And No I don't have select reading. Just that your conserns about it is unbounded....(Except everyones(pc users) consern about origin.) No matter how you cut it, it won't take away from the sp, which is the most important part of the game. Any consern with with the mp ends with one statement.....You do not have to play the mp.

Nonsense. I don’t care that it exists. I’m not concerned about the fact that ME3 has MP, only about how MP will be implemented. Do not presume to speak for me or to put words in my mouth. Show me once where I have said I hated the fact MP existed. And the fact that you say MP is a good concept is purely your opinion. There are lots of people who don’t mind the multiplayer, they just want to know how it will affect certain aspects of SP, or their internet connection and play style. It’s silly to think anyone who has concerns are just complaining about the existence of it.

And how are my concerns unsounded? Do you have a link stating that our decisions in SP won’t affect our RP? If so, I would love to see it, since that is what my concerns come from. Do you have the definition of the phrase “do really well” and what it means as far as choices, allies, sacrifices? If so, I would love to see it, since that is what another concern I have comes from. Do you know if we’ll have to get 100% on each and every play through to get enough RP to get the ’maximum ending’, or if we skip missions we’ll have to supplement those points in MP for additional imports? Do you know if you do play MP, do you have to unlock all the species in SP in order to have them in MP, or if it’s exclusive to only one or two races? If these concerns have been addressed by a dev and I have missed it, then by all means show me the links. I would love to have these things answered. Until then, do not tell me “Just do not have to play MP.” Because “You don’t have to play it.” and “There is no reason at all to play it.” are two different things. One implies that if you don’t mind completing 100% of all quests, and making all the right choices, you don’t have to play it, while the other implies “ You can choice which missions to do, which allies you want, and which sacrifices to make and still have enough RP without having to touch MP.” So, yeah--links please.

For one, Casey Hudson stated as well as the FAQ stated that everything you get from the mp you can also get from the sp. Worrying about how the mp may effect the sp is unsounded because you don't need to play the mp to get the full sp experience. If you feel that the mp will make the game unbalanced, don't play the mp. The mp only increased the galaxy readiness level, as bw word it, and you can do that with just the side missions in the main game, based on how bw stated it. The galactic readiness level, the thing you get for doing the mp and/or side missions, is only one part of what is need to get the full ending. In that you can increase the galactic readiness with sp side missions or the mp.
As for race on locking. That make sense based on the story. If you don't have a race on your side, why would someone from that race be on a mission to get more resources for the war.
...
In short, you worries are over blown.

[Killjoy Cutter]

That assumes we trust Bioware all that much after getting the runaround for months about MP, about the reasons for the release delay, etc, not to mention DA2...