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[OperativeX]

So, its the end of an era - the final chapter of a great trilogy will come to rest and be regarded as one of the greatest series ever to hit all platforms. A good innings it had, many many sales, great story, great gameplay. And for it to remain great, Mass Effect must end with ME3. Then Bioware can move on and create a brand new IP to keep their minds fresh

But wait a second who's the publisher? Oh yeah... Electronic Arts. What are they famous for? Milking franchises and exhuming the dead, and re-animating them until they have no more dignity left. Then the developers mind's go stale, the constant nights and days they are told to work to hit deadlines begins to wreck their home lives. End result, Bioware could be ripped apart from the inside out.

Take a good long look at the Command & Conquer team, Bioware. Look what happened to them. And the creator of the Sims series.

I'm very suspicious about multiplayer coming to Mass Effective during ME3. I think EA are out to bleed the water hole until its bone dry. Be very wary of your next moves Bioware. You might get dragged into a mind-numbing limbo

[Killjoy Cutter]

Yeap... EA doesn't just beat a dead horse... they use it for... other stuff...

[Killjoy Cutter]

KBomb wrote...

Jesus Christ, do you even read my replies?

So, yeah, it's not just me he does it to...

[lord vaalic]

I am not usually one to jump on the net and whine about a game, but I have to say this is total BS. Mass Effect is a single player game... I have spent hundreds of hours on multiple playthroughs and always enjoyed this because its a single player experience. My game is what I made of it, period. Implementing MP is BS on several levels. It has no place in a single player epic trilogy, hasnt been there so far, no need to start now. If you want MP, release another ME game with MP, Im sure people will buy it, I may buy it as well, but it has no place in the ME/Reaper trilogy. Also to somehow imply to get the "maximum ending" I may need to play MP is just cheap and stupid. Yes, I know, if you have enough "war assets" you dont need to play MP, but its still just wrong. Also a game development can only have a finite amount of resources, so if the team was working on MP, they werent working on the single player game, period. They can say what they will about ME3 being a great game, etc. But if the time money and programming spent on the MP was spent on the campaign, what else could we have had? The last game of an epic and beloved single player experience should not add MP, it doesnt add anything, in fact now it detracts. ME was the story of my Shepard, played my way. Now I have to invite my chuckleheaded friends into the experience? Hey I love playing with them in Dungeon Seige, CoD, etc, but those are MP experience games.  Im sure ME3 will still sell a billion copies, and Im sure Ill still enjoy the game, but this is a let down for me. This is just a bad decision in my opinion, plain and simple and sours the final chapter of one of my favorite SINGLE PLAYER game franchises.

[albafica]

"ME3 is the best place to start" facepalm...

[albafica]

EA really destroyed you Bio....what a shame

[Drew351]

 In all endings you will proboly die even if you save the galaxy.

[didymos1120]

albafica wrote...

"ME3 is the best place to start" facepalm...

Tell me about it: he doesn't actually say that in the video.

[Chrissages]

I'm looking forward to multiplayer definitely.
As for the people who go all rage at the mention of MP, what is the big deal!?

-"Mass Effect 3 is a complete, standalone game that will deliver a satisfying story experience, even if you choose not to try multiplayer."-

I copied that quote from the link... does everyone know what that means?
Yeah, multiplayer IS NOT MANDATORY. Oh, you dont want to play MP so just don't play it, and if it bothers you so much to see it on the game don't buy it... oh wait.... you probably already ARE buying it, so just stop with the mindless rage and lay off the forums if all you want to do is rage about MP.
Thanks for your time Trolls, and remember...
TROLLOLOLOLOL


(Also a question, does multiplayer make any other differences in SP other than just improving 'Galactic Readiness'?)

Modifié par Chrissages, 18 octobre 2011 - 01:58 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

I'll wait for the reviews before I'm 100% convinced about MP being 100% optional and detached.

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I'll wait for the reviews before I'm 100% convinced about MP being 100% optional and detached.

But it is optional. It's just not as detached as you want it to be. The mp is more depended to the sp. Just be glad that it's not so attached to the sp to make it manditory.

Modifié par dreman9999, 18 octobre 2011 - 02:21 .

[dreman9999]

Chrissages wrote...

I'm looking forward to multiplayer definitely.
As for the people who go all rage at the mention of MP, what is the big deal!?

-"Mass Effect 3 is a complete, standalone game that will deliver a satisfying story experience, even if you choose not to try multiplayer."-

I copied that quote from the link... does everyone know what that means?
Yeah, multiplayer IS NOT MANDATORY. Oh, you dont want to play MP so just don't play it, and if it bothers you so much to see it on the game don't buy it... oh wait.... you probably already ARE buying it, so just stop with the mindless rage and lay off the forums if all you want to do is rage about MP.
Thanks for your time Trolls, and remember...
TROLLOLOLOLOL


(Also a question, does multiplayer make any other differences in SP other than just improving 'Galactic Readiness'?)

Just GR. It more depended to the sp then the sp is depended on the mp.

[dreman9999]

didymos1120 wrote...

albafica wrote...

"ME3 is the best place to start" facepalm...

Tell me about it: he doesn't actually say that in the video.

You do know he's trying to sell the game to new people...Right?

[Vegos]

But it is optional. It's just not as detached as you want it to be

That's not the point.

The point is that some of us, I dare say, many of us, came to love the ME franchise for the complete ABSENCE of multiplayer, optional or not.

[dreman9999]

Vegos wrote...

But it is optional. It's just not as detached as you want it to be

That's not the point.

The point is that some of us, I dare say, many of us, came to love the ME franchise for the complete ABSENCE of multiplayer, optional or not.

So because you like sp...Just having mp exsist upsets you, even if it won't effect you.....So in the end you hate mp in ME3 because it exsists.......Very logical reason...

Modifié par dreman9999, 18 octobre 2011 - 02:32 .

[Vegos]

So because you like sp...Just having mp exsist upsets you, even if it won't effect you.....So in the end you hate mp in ME3 because it exsists.......Very logical reason...

1) I am not convinced "it will not affect me"
2) Why would my reason have to be "logical" and/or why should be it worth less if it's a bit on the emotional/sentimental side?
3) I do not hate co-op MP. But there is a time and a place for everything, and ME is not the place for it.

Modifié par Vegos, 18 octobre 2011 - 02:39 .

[dreman9999]

Vegos wrote...

So because you like sp...Just having mp exsist upsets you, even if it won't effect you.....So in the end you hate mp in ME3 because it exsists.......Very logical reason...

1) I am not convinced "it will not affect me"
2) Why would my reason have to be "logical" and/or why should be it worth less if it's a bit on the emotional/sentimental side?
3) I do not hate co-op MP. But there is a time and a place for everything, and ME is not the place for it.

What not to understand from the statement,"You can get everything you gain from the mp in the sp"?
And yes, your reason to hate mp needtobe logical to give a reason tonot want it. You look reather foolish and stubborn otherwise in an arguement.
Also, clearly ME can be at any time be the the place for mp. All rpgs can be mp, which they originally were.

[KBomb]

Chrissages wrote...

I'm looking forward to multiplayer definitely.
As for the people who go all rage at the mention of MP, what is the big deal!?

-"Mass Effect 3 is a complete, standalone game that will deliver a satisfying story experience, even if you choose not to try multiplayer."-

I copied that quote from the link... does everyone know what that means?
Yeah, multiplayer IS NOT MANDATORY. Oh, you dont want to play MP so just don't play it, and if it bothers you so much to see it on the game don't buy it... oh wait.... you probably already ARE buying it, so just stop with the mindless rage and lay off the forums if all you want to do is rage about MP.
Thanks for your time Trolls, and remember...
TROLLOLOLOLOL


(Also a question, does multiplayer make any other differences in SP other than just improving 'Galactic Readiness'?)

Wow, you’re so edgy and original. Calling people trolls just because they don’t agree with you? So rare and provocative. I heard the only people who do that is the ones who can’t come up with a better suited argument to make a case for their views and opinions and so they resort to calling people trolls and….oh, wait. 


I am sure Bioware wants to hear their fan’s concerns if they are stated in a reasonable fashion. If they are a good company, as I believe they are, then they will welcome those concerns. The ones who state their concerns using vitriol, venom and bitterness aren’t really looking for answers, but a place to vent and I am certain Bioware knows the difference between the two. I have seen a lot of people with valid concerns and questions and they have just as much right to post on these forums as those who have no questions or concerns about MP. Unless you’re working for them or have become a moderator? Yep.

Modifié par KBomb, 18 octobre 2011 - 02:45 .

[Vegos]

What not to understand from the statement,"You can get everything you gain from the mp in the sp"?

Let's say I have bad experience with the not-so-optional optional stuff from other games I played, games I will not name, but some of them were big names.

And yes, your reason to hate mp needtobe logical to give a reason tonot want it. You look reather foolish and stubborn otherwise in an arguement.

Good to know that standing up for what I believe is considered "stubborn and foolish".

Also, clearly ME can be at any time be the the place for mp. All rpgs can be mp, which they originally were.

No, that's exactly it. If it had the MP component to begin with, fine, that's completely okay, but 2/3 of the trilogy was focused on singleplayer alone, on Shepard and his/her story. Bringing MP into the last third is just cheap. I wouldn't mind if they made a MP game set in the ME universe, but I'm going remain against including them into a Shepard game, since THAT is what ME has been about up to this point. About Shepard, not about 2-4 random people who happened to go shoot some stuff.

Modifié par Vegos, 18 octobre 2011 - 02:51 .

[Pro_Consul]

didymos1120 wrote...

albafica wrote...

"ME3 is the best place to start" facepalm...

Tell me about it: he doesn't actually say that in the video.

He comes close to saying that in the FAQ: "Mass Effect 3 is the best place for us to introduce multiplayer through
co-op because of the premise of the game - all out galactic war."

Once again with the facepalm. To whomever came up with the idea to peddle that line: the best place to start ANYTHING is at the beginning. If this franchise was so perfect for MP that you just could not resist adding it, then you should have added it at the beginning. If it wasn't, then perhaps you should have kicked your MP plans to the curb and tried to maintain some consistency within the franchise.

Chrissages wrote...

I'm looking forward to multiplayer definitely.
As for the people who go all rage at the mention of MP, what is the big deal!?

Because every dollar and every man-hour spent developing the MP system is money and time NOT spent improving what we (the ragers) all want and came to ME to get: a great SP story experience. As for that line you quoted, do you actually believe that is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Take a look at some other suspiciously naive and/or false statements from that FAQ:

1. " Under the direction of Casey Hudson and other team veterans, both studios make contributions to both the single player and multiplayer modes in Mass Effect 3. Rest assured that no compromises were made to either of these modes in the development of Mass Effect 3." - by definition the basic fact of adding MP to a SP game  franchise is itself a compromise. So this is 100% false, possibly due to misunderstanding the English language  after too long speaking that odd, self-contradictory tongue known as Marketing. Plain English: SP and MP are  diametrically opposing game concepts, so by definition any attempt to combine them is itself an exercise in  compromise.

2. "Our priority and focus with Mass Effect 3 has and always will be to deliver a complete and satisfying single  player experience." Huh? If that was the priority and focus, then why distract themselves with building a totally separate MP game to bundle with it? Seems the priority is to try to use ME3 to please all the people all the time, which usually just pleases nobody because of all the compromises one must make to take this route. As for focus, that obviously went right out the window the moment they decided to make ME3 into a Frankenstein SP-RPG/MP-action combo monster game. Focus is when you put all your attention into one area to be sure you do it the best it can be done. When you split your attention to try simultaneously accomplishing multiple things, focus is exactly what you DON'T have.

3. "The Mass Effect 3: Galaxy at War system is meant to complement that amazing game and we're excited we can give it to our fans as a bonus for those who want to experience Mass Effect in different ways." This one isn't false, but rather naively short-sighted. If it is that exciting to offer it to your fans, how much MORE exciting would it have been to offer it is a separate standalone game for which you could charge full price? And how much more exciting for us, the fans, would it have been to know that each offering, the SP game and the MP one, had your full focus when you made it. Instead we now know that neither one had your entire focus. That doesn't really raise my expectations; in fact they fell through the floor the moment you announced this.

Bottom line: though I have been a total ME game fan since 4 days after ME1 released, I plan to give this one a miss until after the release has completely played itself out and I can get a good read on exactly how badly they screwed up a good thing with this MP nonsense. If they exceed my expectations and turn out such a great, compelling game that it does a GOTY kinda thing and stays full price for a long time due to high demand, then they will get their full price from me. Otherwise I expect I will end up paying significantly less. But sooner or later I will buy it just to see how the story ends, though by the time I do I may find it in a $10 bargain bin.

And I can guarantee I will never buy a new Bioware release again - I will always be suspicious and wait to see  how their offerings play out in the gamer community before I risk my money on them. Its kinda sad really, the end of a relationship for me. Ever since Baldur's Gate I have trusted Bioware's commitment to quality enough to buy every one of their games (except DA2) while it was a new release...until now. Oddly I had similar relationships with Westwood and Origin back in the day...until they were bought out by EA. Funny coincidence, that.

/rant

Modifié par Pro_Consul, 18 octobre 2011 - 02:54 .

[Pro_Consul]

Crap. Hit quote instead of edit. My bad.

Modifié par Pro_Consul, 18 octobre 2011 - 02:53 .

[Vegos]

THANK YOU, Consul.

I couldn't have put it better.

[KBomb]

dreman9999 wrote...

What not to understand from the statement,"You can get everything you gain from the mp in the sp"?
And yes, your reason to hate mp needtobe logical to give a reason tonot want it. You look reather foolish and stubborn otherwise in an arguement.
Also, clearly ME can be at any time be the the place for mp. All rpgs can be mp, which they originally were.

The first is debatable on your personal definition of “all and most”. Especially since no definite confirmation has been made by a dev. Unless you’ve found some since my last reply to you.

The second thing:
“I don’t like rice pudding.”
“Why?”
“I just don’t.”
“Why”
“No reason. I just don’t like it.”
“OMG! You have to have a logical reason for not liking something! You just can’t not like something without a reason! That’s foolish and stubborn!”
She is allowed not to just like something, you know. She doesn’t have to give a reason why she doesn’t like it. Maybe she just doesn’t enjoy MP of any kind. Doesn’t have to be logical, does it? She isn’t being hateful about the statement. I took it as more of a “meh, I don’t care for MP that much.” kind of thing. Opinions are still allowed on a forum, are they not?

And last, well. I agree with you on that rpg’s can most certainly have MP and work well. If they’re implemented right. This is the concern that brings one full circle, innit?

[dreman9999]

Vegos wrote...

What not to understand from the statement,"You can get everything you gain from the mp in the sp"?

Let's say I have bad experience with the not-so-optional optional stuff from other games I played, games I will not name, but some of them were big names.

And yes, your reason to hate mp needtobe logical to give a reason tonot want it. You look reather foolish and stubborn otherwise in an arguement.

Good to know that standing up for what I believe is considered "stubborn and foolish".

Also, clearly ME can be at any time be the the place for mp. All rpgs can be mp, which they originally were.

No, that's exactly it. If it had the MP component to begin with, fine, that's completely okay, but 2/3 of the trilogy was focused on singleplayer alone, on Shepard and his/her story. Bringing MP into the last third is just cheap. I wouldn't mind if they made a MP game set in the ME universe, but I'm going remain against including them into a Shepard game, since THAT is what ME has been about up to this point.

1.Yes, Casey Hudson is clearly lieing to you. ME3 is no longer an rpg but a linear even base shoot where you run from cut scene to cut scene. You can only paly male shepard and only as a soldier. The main story is co-op and it has intensevs combat. They are cuting outall the great stuff about the game to get COD fans.
2. With no sound reason it's blind and ignorant.
3.So whatif it did not have mp inthe begining.That does not matter. They can put mp when ever they want. As long as it doesn't take away from what important in the game it's fine.

[Vegos]

1.Yes, Casey Hudson is clearly lieing to you. ME3 is no longer an rpg but a linear even base shoot where you run from cut scene to cut scene. You can only paly male shepard and only as a soldier. The main story is co-op and it has intensevs combat. They are cuting outall the great stuff about the game to get COD fans.
2. With no sound reason it's blind and ignorant.
3.So whatif it did not have mp inthe begining.That does not matter. They can put mp when ever they want. As long as it doesn't take away from what important in the game it's fine.

1) Now you're just trolling me
2) The reason is, "I don't think MP has a place in a Shepard story, therefore I am against that". Seriously, it's like bringing a MP component into Planescape: Torment; It's just WRONG.
3) Yes, it does matter. Because focus on the SP experience is what's important for this particular franchise.

Modifié par Vegos, 18 octobre 2011 - 03:00 .