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[dreman9999]

KBomb wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

What not to understand from the statement,"You can get everything you gain from the mp in the sp"?
And yes, your reason to hate mp needtobe logical to give a reason tonot want it. You look reather foolish and stubborn otherwise in an arguement.
Also, clearly ME can be at any time be the the place for mp. All rpgs can be mp, which they originally were.

The first is debatable on your personal definition of “all and most”. Especially since no definite confirmation has been made by a dev. Unless you’ve found some since my last reply to you.

The second thing:
“I don’t like rice pudding.”
“Why?”
“I just don’t.”
“Why”
“No reason. I just don’t like it.”
“OMG! You have to have a logical reason for not liking something! You just can’t not like something without a reason! That’s foolish and stubborn!”
She is allowed not to just like something, you know. She doesn’t have to give a reason why she doesn’t like it. Maybe she just doesn’t enjoy MP of any kind. Doesn’t have to be logical, does it? She isn’t being hateful about the statement. I took it as more of a “meh, I don’t care for MP that much.” kind of thing. Opinions are still allowed on a forum, are they not?

And last, well. I agree with you on that rpg’s can most certainly have MP and work well. If they’re implemented right. This is the concern that brings one full circle, innit?

If you don't like rice pudding don't eat it. Just like if if you don't like the mp, don't play it.
Not eating the the rice pudding is fine, it  screaming at the top ofyour lung tell everyone you hate rice pudding once someone brings it out that's the problem.

[Il Divo]

Pro_Consul wrote...


Once again with the facepalm. To whomever came up with the idea to peddle that line: the best place to start ANYTHING is at the beginning. If this franchise was so perfect for MP that you just could not resist adding it, then you should have added it at the beginning. If it wasn't, then perhaps you should have kicked your MP plans to the curb and tried to maintain some consistency within the franchise.

That never stopped Quentin Tarantino or Christopher Nolan.

[Pro_Consul]

Il Divo wrote...

Pro_Consul wrote...


Once again with the facepalm. To whomever came up with the idea to peddle that line: the best place to start ANYTHING is at the beginning. If this franchise was so perfect for MP that you just could not resist adding it, then you should have added it at the beginning. If it wasn't, then perhaps you should have kicked your MP plans to the curb and tried to maintain some consistency within the franchise.

That never stopped Quentin Tarantino or Christopher Nolan.

Then maybe Bioware should hire THEM to do their next mid-franchise flip-flop.

[dreman9999]

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Modifié par dreman9999, 18 octobre 2011 - 03:18 .

[Vegos]

Development resources.

That's the first thing MP takes from SP.

[Il Divo]

Pro_Consul wrote...

Then maybe Bioware should hire THEM to do their next mid-franchise flip-flop.

Haha, great answer. I would love to see that kind of collaboration. It would be either the greatest game ever made or a heaping pile of crap.

Modifié par Il Divo, 18 octobre 2011 - 03:03 .

[dreman9999]

Pro_Consul wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Pro_Consul wrote...


Once again with the facepalm. To whomever came up with the idea to peddle that line: the best place to start ANYTHING is at the beginning. If this franchise was so perfect for MP that you just could not resist adding it, then you should have added it at the beginning. If it wasn't, then perhaps you should have kicked your MP plans to the curb and tried to maintain some consistency within the franchise.

That never stopped Quentin Tarantino or Christopher Nolan.

Then maybe Bioware should hire THEM to do their next mid-franchise flip-flop.

Or maybe people should understand that they just want to sell the game to new people as well. How many new people will they get to by ME3 if they flat out told everyone "Yes, in order to enjoy ME3 in any way you have to get ME1 and ME2 and play it straight though...Even if you have a ps3."......Sounds like a get advertizement to new gamers, does it?

[Vegos]

Or maybe people should understand that they just want to sell the game to new people as well. How many new people will they get to by ME3 if they flat out told everyone "Yes, in order to enjoy ME3 in any way you have to get ME1 and ME2 and play it straight though...Even if you have a ps3."......Sounds like a get advertizement to new gamers, does it?

So what's the point of it being a "trilogy" then?

[Il Divo]

dreman9999 wrote...


Or maybe people should understand that they just want to sell the game to new people as well. How many new people will they get to by ME3 if they flat out told everyone "Yes, in order to enjoy ME3 in any way you have to get ME1 and ME2 and play it straight though...Even if you have a ps3."......Sounds like a get advertizement to new gamers, does it?

I like the Quentin Tarantino idea better.

[dreman9999]

Vegos wrote...

Development resources.

That's the first thing MP takes from SP.

Resource of EA backing Bioware. That's the thing anyone using that arguement should remeber before say it. Also, they need to look up the fact that MP is being made by another team and nothing has been taken away fro the sp team. And the extention that happen because of mp also gave the sp team more time to add things to the sp game.

[dreman9999]

Il Divo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...


Or maybe people should understand that they just want to sell the game to new people as well. How many new people will they get to by ME3 if they flat out told everyone "Yes, in order to enjoy ME3 in any way you have to get ME1 and ME2 and play it straight though...Even if you have a ps3."......Sounds like a get advertizement to new gamers, does it?

I like the Quentin Tarantino idea better.

Hey, nothing stopping you from doing that.

[Vegos]

Why are those two teams not working on two separate stand-alone games then, if both are getting the resources sufficient to develop a stand-alone game?

[JeffZero]

Vegos wrote...

Or maybe people should understand that they just want to sell the game to new people as well. How many new people will they get to by ME3 if they flat out told everyone "Yes, in order to enjoy ME3 in any way you have to get ME1 and ME2 and play it straight though...Even if you have a ps3."......Sounds like a get advertizement to new gamers, does it?

So what's the point of it being a "trilogy" then?

It's still required to be a natural extension of the bigger picture -- the point of being a marketable item. And the point of marketable items is to be sold. And to do better rather than worse over time.

Scripted television dramas lose viewers over time. Almost always. To avoid death by massive viewer bleed-off they're forced to attract new fans regularly, reinventing themselves sometimes and keeping things identifiable to people tuning in out of curiosity during the fourth season of a complex show.

It's a different situation with gaming but a similar enough concept to draw comparisons. Even trilogies need to do this. "We got most of the people who bought ME2 to buy ME3, yay!" isn't success, after all. Not even with good sales. Companies want more, not less or even the same.

Modifié par JeffZero, 18 octobre 2011 - 03:20 .

[CoffeeHolic93]

Vegos wrote...



So what's the point of it being a "trilogy" then?

They can pander to the fanbase while making ME3 seem like a standalone experience. ME2 has a lot fo references to the first game you miss without playing it. I started ME2 before ME1 so I should know. 

[dreman9999]

Vegos wrote...

Or maybe people should understand that they just want to sell the game to new people as well. How many new people will they get to by ME3 if they flat out told everyone "Yes, in order to enjoy ME3 in any way you have to get ME1 and ME2 and play it straight though...Even if you have a ps3."......Sounds like a get advertizement to new gamers, does it?

So what's the point of it being a "trilogy" then?

To be a trilogy. It does not mean the people viewing the trilogy have to see it fromthe very begining to the end. Not every one saw Star war :new hope first.

[JeffZero]

Vegos wrote...

Why are those two teams not working on two separate stand-alone games then, if both are getting the resources sufficient to develop a stand-alone game?

Montreal is not given the resources to make a full-fledged game. They are given the resources to make an expanded multiplayer co-op add-on.

[KBomb]

dreman9999 wrote...

If you don't like rice pudding don't eat it. Just like if if you don't like the mp, don't play it.
Not eating the the rice pudding is fine, it  screaming at the top ofyour lung tell everyone you hate rice pudding once someone brings it out that's the problem.

What if to get the chocolate cake you have to eat the rice pudding? You might feel influenced to eat the rice pudding anyway. And saying "Don't like MP, then don't play it!" Would only be sufficient advice if nothing influenced you to play MP in the first place. Which is what some people are concerned about and are waiting for a dev to confirm something so our concerns can be put to rest. Unless you’ve found those links to where they’ve already been confirmed? Y/N?

And I saw no one screaming at the top of their lungs. Especially Vegos, who we are talking about. So while screaming at the top of your lungs about hating the rice pudding is not acceptable, stating you don’t like it is.

[didymos1120]

dreman9999 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

albafica wrote...

"ME3 is the best place to start" facepalm...

Tell me about it: he doesn't actually say that in the video.

You do know he's trying to sell the game to new people...Right?

You do know I'm not the complaining about it, right?

[Vegos]

It does not mean the people viewing the trilogy have to see it fromthe very begining to the end. Not every one saw Star war :new hope first.

Nobody has to play ME1 and 2 first either. But the people who never saw A New Hope were not the ones who Return of the Jedi was made for.

[Pro_Consul]

dreman9999 wrote...

And this is the over acting I'm talking about......
Mp doesn't take anything from the sp and you don't have to play it.  Your just makinga mountian out of a mole hill.

Odd response from the person who just 10 minutes ago criticized another poster for not stating specific, logical reasons for her difference of opinion. Do you have specific, logical reasons for just dismissing out of hand the statements of every single poster you have responded to who didn't agree with your opinion? Or is this that whole trolling thing you were accusing the rest of us of doing earlier?

Seriously, though, I gave very specific and logical reasons for my own negative reaction to the whole MP thing. Isn't that what you were just asking another poster for? I am seriously curious about your own position on some of those points I mentioned.

By the way, your own statement there was patently incorrect. MP did, as Vegos rightly pointed out, take something from SP - development resources. It also took away something else I mentioned in my own post - focus. As for making a mountain out of mole hill - how do you figure that? I clearly stated that my only response, beyond expressing my opinion, is that I will wait until after I see how the game community receives this game before I pony up any of my own cash to buy it. How is that "making a mountain out of a mole hill"?

[dreman9999]

Vegos wrote...

Why are those two teams not working on two separate stand-alone games then, if both are getting the resources sufficient to develop a stand-alone game?

Because it a better chance to make a profit to make one game. Making Twao games means more resourse is need of the second team. Making an extra mode for game with another team mean less resourse is needto maintain that team based on what they are making. Being that the extra mode is pve(Player vs enemie) , a very easy multiplayer game mode to make. it would  not take a large amount of resource to make that mode.

[dreman9999]

Vegos wrote...

It does not mean the people viewing the trilogy have to see it fromthe very begining to the end. Not every one saw Star war :new hope first.

Nobody has to play ME1 and 2 first either. But the people who never saw A New Hope were not the ones who Return of the Jedi was made for.

So what? That did not stop  alot of people from seeing RotJ first. 

[dreman9999]

Pro_Consul wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

And this is the over acting I'm talking about......
Mp doesn't take anything from the sp and you don't have to play it.  Your just makinga mountian out of a mole hill.

Odd response from the person who just 10 minutes ago criticized another poster for not stating specific, logical reasons for her difference of opinion. Do you have specific, logical reasons for just dismissing out of hand the statements of every single poster you have responded to who didn't agree with your opinion? Or is this that whole trolling thing you were accusing the rest of us of doing earlier?

Seriously, though, I gave very specific and logical reasons for my own negative reaction to the whole MP thing. Isn't that what you were just asking another poster for? I am seriously curious about your own position on some of those points I mentioned.

By the way, your own statement there was patently incorrect. MP did, as Vegos rightly pointed out, take something from SP - development resources. It also took away something else I mentioned in my own post - focus. As for making a mountain out of mole hill - how do you figure that? I clearly stated that my only response, beyond expressing my opinion, is that I will wait until after I see how the game community receives this game before I pony up any of my own cash to buy it. How is that "making a mountain out of a mole hill"?

Sorry, quoted the wrong person.

[Vegos]

dreman9999 wrote...

Vegos wrote...

It does not mean the people viewing the trilogy have to see it fromthe very begining to the end. Not every one saw Star war :new hope first.

Nobody has to play ME1 and 2 first either. But the people who never saw A New Hope were not the ones who Return of the Jedi was made for.

So what? That did not stop  alot of people from seeing RotJ first. 

Thank you for making my point.

[JeffZero]

Vegos wrote...

It does not mean the people viewing the trilogy have to see it fromthe very begining to the end. Not every one saw Star war :new hope first.

Nobody has to play ME1 and 2 first either. But the people who never saw A New Hope were not the ones who Return of the Jedi was made for.

But ROTJ was still expressly written as entertaining and reasonably simple-to-grasp enough for those who for whatever ridiculous reason started with it.

It's the same with Mass Effect. Hell, more so.