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[CptBomBom00]

Do you honestly think ME3 might hit the dirt in sales?

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Iakus never said he hated it. I think you are still missing his point mate. He is worried about some of the things bioware are doing, and is voicing them. He states he probably won't buy new, he probably won't.

I can tell you buying ME3 from the bargain bin is much different than preordering it, for all parties involved. If he pays ten bucks for ME3, finds it was an amazing experience, he got an incredible bargain.

If he buys ME3 from the bargain bin, hates (or at least doesn't love) the new features, he just saved himself fifty five plus dollars, and gets to be right, and he knows he probably won't buy the next bioware game new either, if he does at all. Either way he wins.

I never said he did. It's ageneral statement.My point is no one here really hates ME, no matter what direction it's going. As much as we fight, and state how much we hate this or that, the fact we are giving our opioion show we really love this series. If we did not, none of use would be here.
You may say, I'm not buying. In the end one way oranother you will. That's my point.

Your "point" is the "point" of a presumptuous arse. 

Telling someone that they'll end up doing something no matter what they say or think now is arrogant, insulting, and pathetic. 

Coming to a forum and posting about a game you don't like over and over again is also all those things as well. If you really hate or dislike something you'll leave it allown, no go to it's site. If your that obsessed with it than it's clear you want  it. There is no real point for anyone disliking the game to come to the site.

[CptBomBom00]

Who The **** dislikes the ME?

[Il Divo]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Companies don't lower their prices because they've "made enough money". They lower prices when sales are getting low and they still want to get something instead of nothing.

If the price drops on a video game, it's because it's not selling, or not selling any more, and only because of that. If the sales are still strong, the price doesn't drop.

If sales on ME3 are low, then the price will drop because EA and/or the retailers want to recoup some of the sunk costs. Not because "it's time to lower them" and not because "they've made enough money".  

LoL @ "they don't need to sell it at $60" 

Pretty much this. From a profit-standpoint, if something is selling strong, you don't lower the value.

[Killjoy Cutter]

CptBomBom00 wrote...

Do you honestly think ME3 might hit the dirt in sales?

We'll see. 

If it's like DA2, based entirely on hype from the previous games, then it will pre-order well and then tank after a couple of weeks once people see the real game. 

[CptBomBom00]

I see, because I'm curious is the pre-order worth it because I live in England and I don't know if it worth to throw away £70 for it, and I thinking about buying it normaly for £39.99.

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Iakus never said he hated it. I think you are still missing his point mate. He is worried about some of the things bioware are doing, and is voicing them. He states he probably won't buy new, he probably won't.

I can tell you buying ME3 from the bargain bin is much different than preordering it, for all parties involved. If he pays ten bucks for ME3, finds it was an amazing experience, he got an incredible bargain.

If he buys ME3 from the bargain bin, hates (or at least doesn't love) the new features, he just saved himself fifty five plus dollars, and gets to be right, and he knows he probably won't buy the next bioware game new either, if he does at all. Either way he wins.

I never said he did. It's ageneral statement.My point is no one here really hates ME, no matter what direction it's going. As much as we fight, and state how much we hate this or that, the fact we are giving our opioion show we really love this series. If we did not, none of use would be here.
You may say, I'm not buying. In the end one way oranother you will. That's my point.

Your "point" is the "point" of a presumptuous arse. 

Telling someone that they'll end up doing something no matter what they say or think now is arrogant, insulting, and pathetic. 

Coming to a forum and posting about a game you don't like over and over again is also all those things as well. If you really hate or dislike something you'll leave it allown, no go to it's site. If your that obsessed with it than it's clear you want  it. There is no real point for anyone disliking the game to come to the site.

No, coming to an outlet and expressing your disappointment when you perceive that something you liked has now been shat upon in the name of money-grubbing greed is not pathetic or arrogant.  MORE people need to speak up when they perceive something of the sort to have happened.  

Yes, yes, you think it's clear that continuing to talk about something if you're upset about shows something different than being disappointed and disgusted with what's going on.  Whatever.  First thing you need to do is stop believing that you can see into other people's heads. 

[CptBomBom00]

I don't get people that always look for a fight without reason.

[Killjoy Cutter]

CptBomBom00 wrote...

I don't get people that always look for a fight without reason.

Simple answer is that I won't stand for arrogant pricks smirkingly telling other people what they (the other people) really think or what they'll really do. 

[Il Divo]

CptBomBom00 wrote...

I see, because I'm curious is the pre-order worth it because I live in England and I don't know if it worth to throw away £70 for it, and I thinking about buying it normaly for £39.99.

I'm personally going with the regular. I'm looking forward to ME3, but I haven't seen anything in the CE that's really piqued my interest. Now, the Assassin's Creed 2 Special Edition had an Ezio doll action figure for an extra $20. That's what I call a deal.

Modifié par Il Divo, 18 octobre 2011 - 02:05 .

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Iakus never said he hated it. I think you are still missing his point mate. He is worried about some of the things bioware are doing, and is voicing them. He states he probably won't buy new, he probably won't.

I can tell you buying ME3 from the bargain bin is much different than preordering it, for all parties involved. If he pays ten bucks for ME3, finds it was an amazing experience, he got an incredible bargain.

If he buys ME3 from the bargain bin, hates (or at least doesn't love) the new features, he just saved himself fifty five plus dollars, and gets to be right, and he knows he probably won't buy the next bioware game new either, if he does at all. Either way he wins.

I never said he did. It's ageneral statement.My point is no one here really hates ME, no matter what direction it's going. As much as we fight, and state how much we hate this or that, the fact we are giving our opioion show we really love this series. If we did not, none of use would be here.
You may say, I'm not buying. In the end one way oranother you will. That's my point.

Your "point" is the "point" of a presumptuous arse. 

Telling someone that they'll end up doing something no matter what they say or think now is arrogant, insulting, and pathetic. 

Coming to a forum and posting about a game you don't like over and over again is also all those things as well. If you really hate or dislike something you'll leave it allown, no go to it's site. If your that obsessed with it than it's clear you want  it. There is no real point for anyone disliking the game to come to the site.

No, coming to an outlet and expressing your disappointment when you perceive that something you liked has now been shat upon in the name of money-grubbing greed is not pathetic or arrogant.  MORE people need to speak up when they perceive something of the sort to have happened.  

Yes, yes, you think it's clear that continuing to talk about something if you're upset about shows something different than being disappointed and disgusted with what's going on.  Whatever.  First thing you need to do is stop believing that you can see into other people's heads. 

If you go so far to do that. That means you like it enough to want it to be better. To keep coming back is a clear sign you really like it and you want it to impove. That's what I mean.

[Balek-Vriege]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

iakus wrote...

KBomb wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Ok, then. Then that's your problem if your a completist.

It is a problem if you don’t want to be a completist on every.single.play.through. If you have ten or more imports, you may not want to be a completist on them all, so if you want to gain those RP, you’ll have to scoot on over to MP, or settle for a lackluster ending even if you do all the important missions.

I think I have only one ME1 playthrough where I found all the Matriarch writings.

Whoops, there goes Thessia!

How many Keepers am I gonna hafta scan, insignias to find, minerals to probe/mine for to make up for not doing MP?

Thanks,iakus.

That exactly my point. You don't need to do everything to get the mos tout me3 and BW is not forcing you to do everything to get the most out of ME3.
So the consern is mute.

Actually, what Iakus said, and your point, are entirely opposed. 

Iakus' point was that if not doing MP requires you to have been utterly attentive to the smallest detail and backwater planet all the way back to the start of ME1, in order to get through ME3 for a decent outcome without doing MP, thrn it's hardly "optional" on any imported playthrough that wasn't utterly completionist from the start. 

Of course, you're now going to go through some convoluted rhetorical gymnastics to confuse and obfuscate and distract, instead of simply comprehend that you've misread yet another post.

This is an illusion.  You have to ask the question: 

"If you're so concerned about getting the optimal ending, wouldn't you have traveled to every backwater planet anyways regardless of MP rewards?"  "If they took out MP now, Wouldn't you still have to get the best endings the same way you were going to before, since you were never going to play MP?"

The fact is that people who are completionist like to max everything to get the best outcome.  That's min/maxing portion of gaming.  Not enjoying RPG elements or a singleplayer experience.  I'm guilty of this myself and the reason why i'm going play almost every MP mission asap.  I admit I don't have a problem with MP (at least coop).  The problem is you "feel" you have to play MP because you want to get the maximum possible outcome the easiest/best way possible, but don't like coop.  In reality you can get the same playthrough you intended before you knew of MP.

Solution:  If you're playing ME3 singleplayer on PC.  Wait for a save game editor and hopefully you can add the total GR you get from MP.  Problem solved.

Edit:  Came back and saw repetition like crazy in my post.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 18 octobre 2011 - 02:13 .

[dreman9999]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

iakus wrote...

KBomb wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Ok, then. Then that's your problem if your a completist.

It is a problem if you don’t want to be a completist on every.single.play.through. If you have ten or more imports, you may not want to be a completist on them all, so if you want to gain those RP, you’ll have to scoot on over to MP, or settle for a lackluster ending even if you do all the important missions.

I think I have only one ME1 playthrough where I found all the Matriarch writings.

Whoops, there goes Thessia!

How many Keepers am I gonna hafta scan, insignias to find, minerals to probe/mine for to make up for not doing MP?

Thanks,iakus.

That exactly my point. You don't need to do everything to get the mos tout me3 and BW is not forcing you to do everything to get the most out of ME3.
So the consern is mute.

Actually, what Iakus said, and your point, are entirely opposed. 

Iakus' point was that if not doing MP requires you to have been utterly attentive to the smallest detail and backwater planet all the way back to the start of ME1, in order to get through ME3 for a decent outcome without doing MP, thrn it's hardly "optional" on any imported playthrough that wasn't utterly completionist from the start. 

Of course, you're now going to go through some convoluted rhetorical gymnastics to confuse and obfuscate and distract, instead of simply comprehend that you've misread yet another post.

This is an illusion.  You have to ask the question: 

"If you're so concerned about getting the optimal ending, wouldn't you have traveled to every backwater planet anyways regardless of MP rewards?"  "If they took out MP now, Wouldn't you still have to get the best endings the same way you were going to before, since you were never going to play MP?"

The fact is that people who are completionist like to max everything to get the best outcome.  That's min/maxing portion of gaming.  Not enjoying RPG elements or a singleplayer experience.  I'm guilty of this myself and the reason why i'm going play almost every MP mission asap.  I admit I don't have a problem with MP (at least coop).  The problem is you "feel" you have to play MP because you want to get the maximum possible outcome the easiest/best way possible, but don't like coop.  In reality you can get the same playthrough you intended before you knew of MP.  However, now that there is MP you feel you "need" to play it to get the  bonus rewards you want.  The same "need" for preorder weapons and items.  In reality you don't need them but they do make things easier.

Solution:  If you're playing ME3 singleplayer on PC.  Wait for a save game editor and hopefully you can add the total GR you get from MP.  Problem solved.

That's a good point. I haven't though about it that way. If any one complains about mp because of the need to use it as an alternate to getting GR in the sp, they're forgetting they have to do that anyway if it was a sp only game. In the end the issue the have is with GR, not the mp.

Modifié par dreman9999, 18 octobre 2011 - 02:16 .

[Il Divo]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

This is an illusion.  You have to ask the question: 

"If you're so concerned about getting the optimal ending, wouldn't you have traveled to every backwater planet anyways regardless of MP rewards?"  "If they took out MP now, Wouldn't you still have to get the best endings the same way you were going to before, since you were never going to play MP?"

Yes and no. If you want a relevant example, let's consider World of Warcraft, a game built around making money and obtaining better gear.

Every time I kill an enemy, they have a small amount of silver on them, which adds up if I kill enough enemies. On the other hand, the game also features instances which involve cooperating with other people, to kill major bosses, which typically results in much more gold much faster. But assuming we limit how gold is obtained to these two scenarios, we run into a problem. If I don't like playing with other people, my primary means of making money is incredibly slow and boring.

That's the ME3 fear right now; Bioware has not specified how important galactic resources are, but they have told us MP can affect SP, which raises the concern that MP will have a huge advantage on this front. If they design an incredibly tedious resource management, you're pretty much repeating ME1/ME2, but here it's mandatory. More than anything else, many people want their "optimal ending" to be reflected through story choices, not resource management.

Modifié par Il Divo, 18 octobre 2011 - 02:17 .

[CptBomBom00]

:-)

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Iakus never said he hated it. I think you are still missing his point mate. He is worried about some of the things bioware are doing, and is voicing them. He states he probably won't buy new, he probably won't.

I can tell you buying ME3 from the bargain bin is much different than preordering it, for all parties involved. If he pays ten bucks for ME3, finds it was an amazing experience, he got an incredible bargain.

If he buys ME3 from the bargain bin, hates (or at least doesn't love) the new features, he just saved himself fifty five plus dollars, and gets to be right, and he knows he probably won't buy the next bioware game new either, if he does at all. Either way he wins.

I never said he did. It's ageneral statement.My point is no one here really hates ME, no matter what direction it's going. As much as we fight, and state how much we hate this or that, the fact we are giving our opioion show we really love this series. If we did not, none of use would be here.
You may say, I'm not buying. In the end one way oranother you will. That's my point.

Your "point" is the "point" of a presumptuous arse. 

Telling someone that they'll end up doing something no matter what they say or think now is arrogant, insulting, and pathetic. 

Coming to a forum and posting about a game you don't like over and over again is also all those things as well. If you really hate or dislike something you'll leave it allown, no go to it's site. If your that obsessed with it than it's clear you want  it. There is no real point for anyone disliking the game to come to the site.

No, coming to an outlet and expressing your disappointment when you perceive that something you liked has now been shat upon in the name of money-grubbing greed is not pathetic or arrogant.  MORE people need to speak up when they perceive something of the sort to have happened.  

Yes, yes, you think it's clear that continuing to talk about something if you're upset about shows something different than being disappointed and disgusted with what's going on.  Whatever.  First thing you need to do is stop believing that you can see into other people's heads. 

If you go so far to do that. That means you like it enough to want it to be better. To keep coming back is a clear sign you really like it and you want it to impove. That's what I mean.

It can just as easily mean that you like ME1, like ME2 a little less, and see what's known about ME3 so far, and you're disappointed and disgusted by what ME3 will likely be. 

[CptBomBom00]

Some people assume that ME3 is going to be something, something, blahblahblah.
What garbage wait and see that what I think.

[dreman9999]

Il Divo wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...

This is an illusion.  You have to ask the question: 

"If you're so concerned about getting the optimal ending, wouldn't you have traveled to every backwater planet anyways regardless of MP rewards?"  "If they took out MP now, Wouldn't you still have to get the best endings the same way you were going to before, since you were never going to play MP?"

Yes and no. If you want a relevant example, let's consider World of Warcraft, a game built around making money and obtaining better gear.

Every time I kill an enemy, they have a small amount of silver on them, which adds up if I kill enough enemies. On the other hand, the game also features instances which involve cooperating with other people, to kill major bosses, which typically results in much more gold much faster. But assuming we limit how gold is obtained to these two scenarios, we run into a problem. If I don't like playing with other people, my primary means of making money is incredibly slow and boring.

That's the ME3 fear right now; Bioware has not specified how important galactic resources are, but they have told us MP can affect SP, which raises the concern that MP will have a huge advantage on this front. If they design an incredibly tedious resource management, you're pretty much repeating ME1/ME2, but here it's mandatory. More than anything else, many people want their "optimal ending" to be reflected through story choices, not resource management.

But ME3 is not a game that makes money based on how long you play it. WOW is a game that benefit if it has extra thing for the player to do because they get more profit that way. ME3 only has an entry fee to buy the game, the dev get no extra pay for how long the game is.
As for the mp in ME3. Bioware has made it's clear how important GR is...It very important and can improve the armada we have.As for advantage made by the gr gain by mp, this is a pointless concern, because is does not effect your decisions. In ME2, you can have a speaced out Normandy and still have people and yourself die in the last mission because of bad orders and no loyalty in your crew. Think of it that way.

Modifié par dreman9999, 18 octobre 2011 - 02:34 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

CptBomBom00 wrote...

Some people assume that ME3 is going to be something, something, blahblahblah.
What garbage wait and see that what I think.

I need something to make up for MP, Origin, "CLOSE COMBAT IS AWESOME WATCH THIS HOLOWEAPON!!" and marketing that looks like a repeat of The Awesome Button before I have any enthusiasm for ME3. 

[CptBomBom00]

hahhhahahahaahah nice one man.

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Iakus never said he hated it. I think you are still missing his point mate. He is worried about some of the things bioware are doing, and is voicing them. He states he probably won't buy new, he probably won't.

I can tell you buying ME3 from the bargain bin is much different than preordering it, for all parties involved. If he pays ten bucks for ME3, finds it was an amazing experience, he got an incredible bargain.

If he buys ME3 from the bargain bin, hates (or at least doesn't love) the new features, he just saved himself fifty five plus dollars, and gets to be right, and he knows he probably won't buy the next bioware game new either, if he does at all. Either way he wins.

I never said he did. It's ageneral statement.My point is no one here really hates ME, no matter what direction it's going. As much as we fight, and state how much we hate this or that, the fact we are giving our opioion show we really love this series. If we did not, none of use would be here.
You may say, I'm not buying. In the end one way oranother you will. That's my point.

Your "point" is the "point" of a presumptuous arse. 

Telling someone that they'll end up doing something no matter what they say or think now is arrogant, insulting, and pathetic. 

Coming to a forum and posting about a game you don't like over and over again is also all those things as well. If you really hate or dislike something you'll leave it allown, no go to it's site. If your that obsessed with it than it's clear you want  it. There is no real point for anyone disliking the game to come to the site.

No, coming to an outlet and expressing your disappointment when you perceive that something you liked has now been shat upon in the name of money-grubbing greed is not pathetic or arrogant.  MORE people need to speak up when they perceive something of the sort to have happened.  

Yes, yes, you think it's clear that continuing to talk about something if you're upset about shows something different than being disappointed and disgusted with what's going on.  Whatever.  First thing you need to do is stop believing that you can see into other people's heads. 

If you go so far to do that. That means you like it enough to want it to be better. To keep coming back is a clear sign you really like it and you want it to impove. That's what I mean.

It can just as easily mean that you like ME1, like ME2 a little less, and see what's known about ME3 so far, and you're disappointed and disgusted by what ME3 will likely be. 

That still means the same asmy point. If you truely hate something, you cut it away from you. If you go as far as regulary state what wrong with something, you care about it enough to want it to be improved. No matter what you say, even if you don't buy ME3 day one,you will beinfluence to buy ME3 based on reveiws and fan feedback. It's not going to be a bad game unless the cut alot of things from it...which they are not.

Modifié par dreman9999, 18 octobre 2011 - 02:32 .

[CptBomBom00]

Yeah I agree .

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

CptBomBom00 wrote...

Some people assume that ME3 is going to be something, something, blahblahblah.
What garbage wait and see that what I think.

I need something to make up for MP, Origin, "CLOSE COMBAT IS AWESOME WATCH THIS HOLOWEAPON!!" and marketing that looks like a repeat of The Awesome Button before I have any enthusiasm for ME3. 

Clearly someone did not get the notice that BW is trying to sell the game to new people as well.
Also, clearly someone never saw when they showedthe rpg features of the game.

[Il Divo]

dreman9999 wrote...

But ME3 is not a game that makes money based onhow long you play it. WOW is a game that benifit if ithas extra thing for the player todo because they get more profit thatay. ME3 only has an entry fee to buy the game, the dev get no extra pay for how long the game is.

That doesn't really matter; WoW is built around resource management, much as ME seems to be based around Galactic Readiness. Developers create games of different lengths for all kinds of reasons. The primary point is regarding resource management, which Bioware hasn't specificed on. But given that they've told us that GR can affect the ending, that indicates that it is a resource of some kind, other wise MP wouldn't be able to affect it.

As for the mp in ME3. Bioware has made itclear how important GR is...It very important and can improve the armada we have.As for advantage made by the gr gain by mp, this is a pointless consern, because is does not effect your desisions. In ME2, you can have a speced out normandy and still have people and yourself die in the last mission because of bad orders and no loyalty in your crew. Think of it that way.

It doesn't affect your decisions, but I think I just demonstrated how it can potentially affect your gameplay experience, no different than the WoW example. If I can achieve the optimal single player ending only by grinding resources/planet scanning for 3+ hours compared to MP, then the developers didn't balance out the mechanics correctly. Bioware has made all kinds of balancing errors in their history. I can easily see it happening again.

Modifié par Il Divo, 18 octobre 2011 - 02:35 .

[CptBomBom00]

Yes I watched interviews and all tone of that kind of thing and yes I know they want introduce the game to new guys in this type of thing.