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[nuclearpengu1nn]

it would have been nice if it had competitive multiplayer
it would be like gears of war

[SimJoseph7]

Taciter wrote...

Here's a question MartinDN, if Bioware announced that they would be implementing an AI squad option so that anyone could experience the MP content, even solo players... would that go some way to appeasing you?

That is what *** I *** am looking for. I want to choose either "AI" or "Human" players. Sure, that would be exactly like playing single player BUT with the option to play with humans too.

I really don't care to play with humans unless they are a part of my "real life" friends. None of them play Mass Effect (hey, at age 53 I am the only one that likes games of depth like this). Even so, after reading so many of the nasty posts on BSN I wouldn't want to play with anyone here (not trying to be nasty but that is the way I feel).

I don't want to be reliant on other people, whom I may like or dislike, to be there if I even have the time to play for X amount of consecutive time (I take care of my ailing 92 year old Mother full time). Nor if 5 years from now I want to play and the servers are gone.

When posting, all I ask is that you please consider that not everyone is you (not you Taciter, the general BSN population). There are shy people, old people with perhaps less motor skills or even disabilities (is that the correct word?) that may or may not be you. There are a plethora of reason that I haven't even touched on.

Should we be catered to when designing a game? If it makes a difference, yes. BioWare has their own separate team to work on this so I personally do not see a problem working towards it. Especially since it would not affect either "camp".

All my opinion of course but that is the only one I can give.

Joseph

[sael_feman]

It's not interesting. Multiplayer may be fun for some people, but not me.

It's a shame I'm paying for it. I'd like to buy a version without multiplayer and save some money, my money.

S'F'

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

KBomb wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Good question. 

Of course, this entire "you have to recruit a species in SP to play it in MP" thing is coming from Dreman, so take it with a grain of salt.

Actually, it comes from this tweet.

https://twitter.com/#%21/gtez/status/124273813310554113

Well eff.  That's no good. 

Not like your playing the mp.

1)  I have no way of knowing at the moment if playing MP will be entirely optional, despite the claims.  If it turns out not to be, then I'll be left with a choice between no getting ME3, or suffering through MP. 

2)  It's still a bad game design decision, so I care even if I don't buy the game at all.

1.Not like your playing the mp.../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png
2. Not like your playing the mp.../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png

So why is it that you think that someone who doesn't want to play MP should not be concerned about the effect adding MP will have on the game, or the way that MP is set up for those who do want to play MP? 

[Balek-Vriege]

From the sound of it we may not need AI players since it's already been stated solo play in MP is possible, just harder of course.

As for the last couple pages, it seems GR has been twisted yet again into the all important stat in which many points must come from MP. Based off the video interview and the FAQ it's only one of many statistics and flags which govern the ending. One of the first things stated is that SP is independent from MP and the GR from coop makes the game experience easier, but is totally unnecessary. Think of it like preorder items. You don't need them, but you want them to make the game easier. You have to decide if dishing out extra bucks, signing up for something you don't want or playing some minigame is worth the items. Or think of it like imported/replay bonuses which help but aren't necessary to get a certain ending (save for ME1 dialogue talents).

If you don't believe the FAQ/interview, you're just going to have to wait for more info, reviews after release or a youtube video showing someone getting the best ending without MP play.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Taciter wrote...

lol.. I wonder if Bioware gave up on this thread a while back...

Evidently not, there's a mod editing at least one of my posts while leaving a certain someone's spammy repeats of the same "but you're not playing MP" nonsense response, and his continued insulting insistence that anyone still posting here will buy ME3 no matter what they say, basically calling us deluded or liars, in place. 

Despite that someone's deliberately confusing, obfuscatory, and aggravating style, I also know which of us is more likely to get the hammer -- being just under the radar but in constant defense of all things corporate is far safer in these venues than being honest and forthright, but questioning the company line. 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 19 octobre 2011 - 04:11 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Taciter wrote...

MartinDN wrote...

Taciter wrote...

Here's a question MartinDN, if Bioware announced that they would be implementing an AI squad option so that anyone could experience the MP content, even solo players... would that go some way to appeasing you?

That would sound like a Fair idea to a certain extent yes, if it was like the SP mechanics in the MP environment, maybe an added DLC ?

I just dont like the idea of forcing us to play MP on what was previously a SP only games to get unforeseable benefits to our SP story.

See, every solo player or MP-cynic I approach on this topic seems to be happy with such a compromise. I think the Bioware devs should take the proposal seriously.

I really would like to see it as a compromise.

My worry is that we won't see it, because the real directive from EA is to encourage as much online multiplayer participation as possible, for several reasons. 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 18 octobre 2011 - 11:33 .

[Volus Warlord]

I cannot fight as Volus.. it brings tears to my eyes.

[Iakus]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

As for the last couple pages, it seems GR has been twisted yet again into the all important stat in which many points must come from MP. Based off the video interview and the FAQ it's only one of many statistics and flags which govern the ending. One of the first things stated is that SP is independent from MP and the GR from coop makes the game experience easier, but is totally unnecessary. Think of it like preorder items. You don't need them, but you want them to make the game easier. You have to decide if dishing out extra bucks, signing up for something you don't want or playing some minigame is worth the items. Or think of it like imported/replay bonuses which help but aren't necessary to get a certain ending (save for ME1 dialogue talents).

If you don't believe the FAQ/interview, you're just going to have to wait for more info, reviews after release or a youtube video showing someone getting the best ending without MP play.

GR may be only one factor, but it's still a factor.  And not being "totally ready" is likely to have detrimental effects in the game.

That being said, while it may be possible to gain all the points, or whatever, needed in the SP game, it will clearly be harder.  You have have to have a more completionist playthrough.  So I ask, how much harder?  How much more completionist will it have to be?  WIll I have to look under every rock, scour every possible conversation option?  Find every medallion?  Mine every planet?  Run over every pyjack?  

How complete is complete?  How much easier will it be if I roll Generic Turian #12345 and go pwning sum Cerbz? :innocent:

[Iakus]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

My worry is that we won't see it, because the real directed from EA is to encourage as much online multiplayer participation as possible, for several reasons. 

Mine is that they waited so long to spring it on us, at this pont they may not be able to change anything at this point, even if they were inclined to.

[Balek-Vriege]

iakus wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...

As for the last couple pages, it seems GR has been twisted yet again into the all important stat in which many points must come from MP. Based off the video interview and the FAQ it's only one of many statistics and flags which govern the ending. One of the first things stated is that SP is independent from MP and the GR from coop makes the game experience easier, but is totally unnecessary. Think of it like preorder items. You don't need them, but you want them to make the game easier. You have to decide if dishing out extra bucks, signing up for something you don't want or playing some minigame is worth the items. Or think of it like imported/replay bonuses which help but aren't necessary to get a certain ending (save for ME1 dialogue talents).

If you don't believe the FAQ/interview, you're just going to have to wait for more info, reviews after release or a youtube video showing someone getting the best ending without MP play.

GR may be only one factor, but it's still a factor.  And not being "totally ready" is likely to have detrimental effects in the game.

That being said, while it may be possible to gain all the points, or whatever, needed in the SP game, it will clearly be harder.  You have have to have a more completionist playthrough.  So I ask, how much harder?  How much more completionist will it have to be?  WIll I have to look under every rock, scour every possible conversation option?  Find every medallion?  Mine every planet?  Run over every pyjack?  

How complete is complete?  How much easier will it be if I roll Generic Turian #12345 and go pwning sum Cerbz? 

I was planning on doing all of that anyways.  That's what I did in ME1, ME1 and will do again in ME3.  That's the point.  If you're a completionist and don't like MP, the info we have so far is good news.  If you played ME1 and ME2 that way to get the best outcomes you still can in ME3 without MP.  Of course it's going to be easier with added points from MP, but it's your job to communicate with the completionist inside you to determine the balance between your SP centred self and the allure of GR points via Generic Turian #12345.
 

My inner completionists says:

Play Generic Adept Asari #323424 that you tried to make unique for 5 hours only to find someone who looks exactly the same in the first two minutes of play!

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 18 octobre 2011 - 11:42 .

[Iakus]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

I was planning on doing all of that anyways.  That's what I did in ME1, ME1 and will do again in ME3.  That's the point.  If you're a completionist and don't like MP, the info we have so far is good news.  If you played ME1 and ME2 that way to get the best outcomes you still can in ME3 without MP.  Of course it's going to be easier with added points from MP, but it's your job to communicate with the completionist inside you to determine the balance between your SP centred self and the allure of GR points via Generic Turian #12345.
 

I consider myself a completionist, but even I have limits.  I do try to complete every main and side quest I come across.  WHen I'm  looking fro something, I go off the beaten path if it looks like there might be something interesting nearby.

However:

I don't go out of my way to dig up all the rare minerals, Prothean disks, League of One medallions, etc, in ME1.  I don't go strip-mining every planet I come across in ME2, or go looking for lonely backwater rocks to scan on the off chance there's a merc base there.  

How completionist is that?  It didn't affect the outcomes of the first two games, will it this time?  Or if it will, how many planets will I end up burning with that mentality?

My inner completionists says:

Play Generic Adept Asari #323424 that you tried to make unique for 5 hours only to find someone who looks exactly the same in the first two minutes of play!

And here I was going to say "Use Generic Turian #12345 to team up with Generic Salarian 3141579, Generic Krogan #666 and Generic Asari #69 to gather the points for single player using the feature that will, of course, not affect the single player experience at all.  Nope.  Not.  One.  Bit.  

[Balek-Vriege]

iakus wrote...

I consider myself a completionist, but even I have limits.  I do try to complete every main and side quest I come across.  WHen I'm  looking fro something, I go off the beaten path if it looks like there might be something interesting nearby.

However:

I don't go out of my way to dig up all the rare minerals, Prothean disks, League of One medallions, etc, in ME1.  I don't go strip-mining every planet I come across in ME2, or go looking for lonely backwater rocks to scan on the off chance there's a merc base there.  

How completionist is that?  It didn't affect the outcomes of the first two games, will it this time?  Or if it will, how many planets will I end up burning with that mentality?

Almost completionist.  Then again I finished mineral/tag quests for ME2 about a month before its release.  We will just have to wait and see how hardcore GR aquisition is.  Could be a "hard" as upgrading the normandy in ME2.

iakus wrote...

And here I was going to say "Use Generic Turian #12345 to team up with Generic Salarian 3141579, Generic Krogan #666 and Generic Asari #69 to gather the points for single player using the feature that will, of course, not affect the single player experience at all.  Nope.  Not.  One.  Bit.  

Well no one said it wasn't going to effect the single player experience, just not in a bad way.

[BillyMahoney]

Bioware should of waited till their next Mass Effect game. This is a trilogy that shouldn't be screwed with on its final act for the sake of selling online passes. I thought the Cerberus Network worked well to deter used sales of your games. This sounds tacked on and really just unnecessary. I liked everything else I was hearing about this game up until the MP bomb. Shoulda waited.

[Taciter]

SimJoseph7 wrote...
That is what *** I *** am looking for. I want to choose either "AI" or "Human" players. Sure, that would be exactly like playing single player BUT with the option to play with humans too...

...I don't want to be reliant on other people, whom I may like or dislike, to be there if I even have the time to play for X amount of consecutive time (I take care of my ailing 92 year old Mother full time). Nor if 5 years from now I want to play and the servers are gone...

...Should we be catered to when designing a game? If it makes a difference, yes. BioWare has their own separate team to work on this so I personally do not see a problem working towards it. Especially since it would not affect either "camp"...Joseph

Nicely put Sim, I'm glad that people are coming around to the idea of an AI squad option. If Bioware recognises there is a demand for such a feature then maybe they'll consider a patch.. who knows?

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
I really would like to see it as a compromise.
My worry is that we won't see it, because the real directive from EA is to encourage as much online multiplayer participation as possible, for several reasons.

Nice to have your endorsement Killjoy, EA's single minded obsession with foisting multiplayer on us all is certainly cause for concern but if their bean counters really are worth their salt, they'll recognise that that an impartial stance is potentially far more lucrative than selective marginalisation.

Balek-Vriege wrote...
From the sound of it we may not need AI players since it's already been stated solo play in MP is possible, just harder of course.
As for the last couple pages, it seems GR has been twisted yet again into the all important stat in which many points must come from MP. Based off the video interview and the FAQ it's only one of many statistics and flags which govern the ending. One of the first things stated is that SP is independent from MP and the GR from coop makes the game experience easier, but is totally unnecessary. Think of it like preorder items.

Yeah, this has been raised a few times now Balek and I don't want to undermine your optimism but 'possible', like 'optional', is a very ambiguous term. It may be 'possible' to experience 'some' of the MP content as a solo'ist however, you can guarantee that any scenario designed specifically to challenge 4 human players would constitute the RPG equivalent of 'Mission Impossible'.

In addition, there have been plausable rumours suggesting that some MP objectives will require 'cooperation' (e.g. One Squaddie hacks a series of terminals, whilst the other fend off successive waves of antagonists. This of course, would preclude the possibility of solo play by design.

Modifié par Taciter, 19 octobre 2011 - 12:54 .

[Nauks]

Volus Warlord wrote...

I cannot fight as Volus.. it brings tears to my eyes.

If we can suspend disbelief enough to believe that dwarves are somehow able fighters in various fantasy, we can do it with Volus

Modifié par Nauks, 19 octobre 2011 - 01:01 .

[LTBK]

So EA and the FPS-multiplayer-obsessed kiddies finally got what they wanted. It's just my opinion, of course, but I don't really understand this obsession with putting MP everywhere, specially in an RPG (well, somewhat, but it was an RPG originally). I can see DA3 having multiplayer too now

Anyways, better if this doesn't turn away the same way that DA2 did for giving away what a vocal minority was screaming for, or for trying to appeal to other kind of players while screwing the original playerbase. But I know that it will do, as they don't have unlimited resources, and this will affect the single player game.

I'll think twice this time before preordering the game (glad that I didn't already).

Modifié par LTBK, 19 octobre 2011 - 01:55 .

[Balek-Vriege]

Taciter wrote...

/snip

Balek-Vriege wrote...
From the sound of it we may not need AI players since it's already been stated solo play in MP is possible, just harder of course.
As for the last couple pages, it seems GR has been twisted yet again into the all important stat in which many points must come from MP. Based off the video interview and the FAQ it's only one of many statistics and flags which govern the ending. One of the first things stated is that SP is independent from MP and the GR from coop makes the game experience easier, but is totally unnecessary. Think of it like preorder items.

Yeah, this has been raised a few times now Balek and I don't want to undermine your optimism but 'possible', like 'optional', is a very ambiguous term. It may be 'possible' to experience 'some' of the MP content as a solo'ist however, you can guarantee that any scenario designed specifically to challenge 4 human players would constitute the RPG equivalent of 'Mission Impossible'.

In addition, there have been plausable rumours suggesting that some MP objectives will require 'cooperation' (e.g. One Squaddie hacks a series of terminals, whilst the other fend off successive waves of antagonists. This of course, would preclude the possibility of solo play by design.

Yep the devils in the details unless enemies stop attacking etc. over a period of time.  I think the words were close to solo play is possible but extremely difficult if I remember correctly.  I would definitely be fine with henchmen if it allowed hacking etc. to occur in missions.  What i'm personally interested in is just how interactive, detailed and/or fun this coop will be (or not of course).  The more "stuff" to do the better instead of feeling like normal ME assignment missions (also an interest/concern for SP play as well).

The information on MP not being necessary is more straight forward and holds water until new info comes up which proves otherwise.  Until that time, it looks like coop play isn't needed for an optimal ending.

[drakmoor]

iakus wrote...

GR may be only one factor, but it's still a factor.  And not being "totally ready" is likely to have detrimental effects in the game.

That being said, while it may be possible to gain all the points, or whatever, needed in the SP game, it will clearly be harder.  You have have to have a more completionist playthrough.  So I ask, how much harder?  How much more completionist will it have to be?  WIll I have to look under every rock, scour every possible conversation option?  Find every medallion?  Mine every planet?  Run over every pyjack?  

How complete is complete?  How much easier will it be if I roll Generic Turian #12345 and go pwning sum Cerbz? :innocent:

I am not sure it has been proven yet that it will definitely be harder to gain all the ponts needed for an "optimal" ending in SP only. Without knowing how long each MP mission takes coupled with the rewards handed out at the end and the length of each SP side mission and their rewards to see which one takes longer to get the same amount of GR this comparison simply can not be made.

Other than that if BW was to answer the rest of your questions it would go a long way in either calming people down or throw another bundle of uranium into this simmering meltdown.

@Taciter

Not only would AI bots allow for those wishing to play the MP solo to do so; it would allow those people who only want to play with one or two of their friends a full squad compliment should they want too if their MP characters are insufficiently leveled to do the mission duo (or trip), if this hypothetical situation could occur.

Modifié par drakmoor, 19 octobre 2011 - 04:00 .

[Axelstall]

It's Co-Op, not Player vs Player. In my experience, the stupid,mindless,addicted CoD Kiddies.(Or whatever game you hate the group in most) Despise Co-Op unless its just a mindless as the PvP game. Objectives drive them nuts. (speaking from personal experience here)

Anyway, I've always wanted my brother to be able to join me in game and fight with me, It wasn't cool how I had to kick him off so I could play, I'm glad their adding Co-Op in Mass Effect 3.(Plus it lets me finally play as Quarians)

[Killjoy Cutter]

Axelstall wrote...

It's Co-Op, not Player vs Player. In my experience, the stupid,mindless,addicted CoD Kiddies.(Or whatever game you hate the group in most) Despise Co-Op unless its just a mindless as the PvP game. Objectives drive them nuts. (speaking from personal experience here)

Anyway, I've always wanted my brother to be able to join me in game and fight with me, It wasn't cool how I had to kick him off so I could play, I'm glad their adding Co-Op in Mass Effect 3.(Plus it lets me finally play as Quarians)

So far, Quarians aren't listed as a playing species in the MP mode. 

For the sake of those playing the ME3 co-op, I hope you're correct about it driving away the HALO dudebros and CoD kiddies. 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 19 octobre 2011 - 04:13 .

[Axelstall]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Axelstall wrote...

It's Co-Op, not Player vs Player. In my experience, the stupid,mindless,addicted CoD Kiddies.(Or whatever game you hate the group in most) Despise Co-Op unless its just a mindless as the PvP game. Objectives drive them nuts. (speaking from personal experience here)

Anyway, I've always wanted my brother to be able to join me in game and fight with me, It wasn't cool how I had to kick him off so I could play, I'm glad their adding Co-Op in Mass Effect 3.(Plus it lets me finally play as Quarians)

So far, Quarians aren't listed as a playing species in the MP mode. 

For the sake of those playing the ME3 co-op, I hope you're correct about it driving away the HALO dudebros and CoD kiddies. 

"Dudebros" Haven't heard that one before, I LOL'd.

Anyway, unless they've evolved to a more intelligent species, they shouldn't come, and if they do, it'll only last a month or two as they try it but can't handle the complexity of objectives.

And about Quarians as playable characters. They better or else I'll be super pissed off, they're my favorites.

[KBomb]

EDIT: ugh, Nevermind. It isn't worth it.

Modifié par KBomb, 19 octobre 2011 - 06:34 .

[FDrage]

Volus Warlord wrote...

I cannot fight as Volus.. it brings tears to my eyes.

Those biotic gods would tear you appart anyway ...