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[Dragoonlordz]

I have to get answers to these questions (direct clear answers) due to nature of misleading and misdirection and word play they used over past few months about the entire issue of even being multiplayer, nothing less than direct answers will suffice anymore imho while in the past I was happy to give them leeway more so than now.

1. Removed (Because I have come to fairly but not 100% answer on this by cross referencing the FAQ, Video and more specifically [alternative] sources but like said it's not 100% but high enough percent for me to be not as concerned as much about it anymore that requires direct answer and I have explained the answer came too at bottom of post.)

2. Will it be mostly plans for MP DLC to come, or SP DLC or even a 50/50 split? (this one I am guessing you won't answer at all and might say no comment about it or that you do not now yet what you plan to do.)

3. Is MP based on 'have to have' four friends that have the same game and same system for that game to play? Will it be PUG or LFG based random people in team to make up numbers? Or can it be played as single player with AI controlled companions and will there be split screen mode and is it online only? (many questions rolled into one I know.)

Optional does not answer any of my questions, it is optional to take a bus to work or walk but in doing so it will have an effect on what you see and do along the way. Quality is subjective and has no baring on content each person likes differently. Optimal ending and highest success does not mean not a single cinematic or dialogue or interaction or even mission would or could ~not be available to see if play single player alone. It merely implies it probably won't and the rest are assumptions and of people saying they 'think' it means or might mean or should mean or could mean but it is merely interpretation and guessing unless answered by someone or something that directly does so. None of the MP questions are answered directly either and again relies solely so far on guessing by people that I have seen.

(Relating to question 1.) If the only thing it actually physically adds to the main game is purely and ONLY a currency but nothing else (cinemtatics, dialogue or missions) then it might be ok by me regarding that issue but only if that currency is the only thing it effects and takes the same but alternative form as single player game currency akin to money and minerals of which can obtain the same amount in single player [most importantly > prior to reaching] a stage in game where have to start using this resource. However given the nature fof this information not coming from Bioware but alternative OXM 3rd party that is why it is not 100% certain direct and clear answer, but given OXM is not just some random gamer on the net it had enough credability to lower my concern hence the removal of question 1 above and more information about why listed here in this paragraph..

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 12 octobre 2011 - 05:52 .

[Wikal]

I'm really excited for MP, sounds like a great idea that can help you in single player if you want, doesn't have to if you don't. Also, I want to see people charging each other.

[javierabegazo]

Where is that picture from?

[didymos1120]

jollyorigins wrote...

 Ok say I watched the bioware pulse episode about multi-player, the main question I have is the way Casey described it and it's ties to single-player, do I actually need to play the multi-player in order to get the most out of the single-player? 

No. Read the FAQ linked in the OP of this thread.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Il Divo wrote...

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

And what was that he said" if you never played a Mass Effect game before, Mass Effect 3 is a good place to start"<-- lolwut

Well, Bioware's been throwing down that line pretty often lately. It sucks, but as you said nothing in the video really seemed to be new.

Of course they're using that line alot. Kinect, multiplayer, etc. The big push here is to expand the Mass Effect IP into "mainstream".

[Siven80]

Hmm, while your normal multiplayer modes wouldnt work cross platform as PC users wipe the floor with console users (early tests proved this i believe), cross platfrom co-op could well work so i do hope it is cross platform.

[bigheadzach]

didymos1120 wrote...

SimJoseph7 wrote...

I have a lot to say that will quickly get lost in here, so I'll just say one thing.

In the video, Casey Hudson says (at ~2:15) regarding assets and such, "... fighting to control those on the multiplayer side, and the better you do, the more you control, the better your single player ending will be."

Sounds like a contradiction of how they are trying to sell us on multiplayer to explain it as it having no effect on single player (note the bolded, underlined words in the paragraph above).

When have they said it has no effect?  They've said it won't affect the quality of the single-player experience (take that with however many grains of salt you feel is necessary), but they've never said the co-op has no effects at all on single player.  Instead, they have said that you can achieve those same effects via alternate means in single-player without ever having to go near multiplayer. 

There are people who appear to keep confusing the concept of

"multiplayer enhances your SP performance", which was stated, and

"not playing multiplayer will penalize your SP performance", which was outright refuted.

If the game is a mountain, and the goal is to reach the top, and I've had the traditional option of just climbing straight up it, but then someone shows me a series of switchback trails which will challenge me in a different but still entirely valid fashion, and doing either (or a bit of both) still gets me up the mountain...

...then why are the mountain-climbers complaining about the switchback enthusiasts? It's like the mere presence of switchback enthusiasts somehow irritates the mountain climbers for some unfathomable reason.
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...and before you answer "then I don't want to have to pay for the switchback content", realize that you're not paying any more money than you would have if it wasn't included. If the price of ME3 jumped $20 suddenly, then I could understand your gripe and also petition for it to be optionally-purchaseable DLC (or perhaps eventually its own branded product). But seeing as it's still going to be $60, there is no reason not to buy it simply because they added content you won't play.

Modifié par bigheadzach, 12 octobre 2011 - 05:47 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Geth_Prime wrote...

@jollyorigins Short answer to your question - no. I have said it too many times today to repeat myself. Just lay your fears to rest, you can be sure of this - you do NOT have to play co-op to get 100% out of singleplayer.

You just keep believing that.  I'm sure that's exactly what the company line will continue to be. 

[yuncas]

Turian husk looks horrifying. That is all.

[Killjoy Cutter]

bigheadzach wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

SimJoseph7 wrote...

I have a lot to say that will quickly get lost in here, so I'll just say one thing.

In the video, Casey Hudson says (at ~2:15) regarding assets and such, "... fighting to control those on the multiplayer side, and the better you do, the more you control, the better your single player ending will be."

Sounds like a contradiction of how they are trying to sell us on multiplayer to explain it as it having no effect on single player (note the bolded, underlined words in the paragraph above).

When have they said it has no effect?  They've said it won't affect the quality of the single-player experience (take that with however many grains of salt you feel is necessary), but they've never said the co-op has no effects at all on single player.  Instead, they have said that you can achieve those same effects via alternate means in single-player without ever having to go near multiplayer. 

There are people who appear to keep confusing the concept of

"multiplayer enhances your SP performance", which was stated, and

"not playing multiplayer will penalize your SP performance", which was outright refuted.

Sure, sure, it was "refuted", if you take corporate double-speak at face value. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

And even after all this time, these forums are still buggy as hell. I reply to a post, then for several minutes the post I replied to and every post after disappears, including my own.

[bigheadzach]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Sure, sure, it was "refuted", if you take corporate double-speak at face value. 

If your response will continue to be "But I don't trust Bioware at all", then your participation in this discussion is no longer necessary or useful.

[SkyJackal]

[Double Post - Sorry]

Modifié par SkyJackal, 12 octobre 2011 - 05:52 .

[NOD-INFORMER37]

http://social.biowar...80/polls/25651/

Use the poll ppl :]

[Killjoy Cutter]

bigheadzach wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Sure, sure, it was "refuted", if you take corporate double-speak at face value. 

If your response will continue to be "But I don't trust Bioware at all", then your participation in this discussion is no longer necessary or useful.

Sorry, I guess I missed the MODERATOR tag by your name.   

[SkyJackal]

As an ME 360 player who's friends are all ME PC players I do hope (and suggest) Bioware release the multiplayer mode as a seperate product (as well as being bundled in) - kinda like how Relic sells Dawn of War II's The Last Stand game mode seperately (http://store.steampo...1_7_7_151_150_1)

Anyone else agree?

[Il Divo]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

bigheadzach wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Sure, sure, it was "refuted", if you take corporate double-speak at face value. 

If your response will continue to be "But I don't trust Bioware at all", then your participation in this discussion is no longer necessary or useful.

Sorry, I guess I missed the MODERATOR tag by your name.   

Regardless, to repeat Didymos' argument last thread, aside from playing the game then, what would be considered convincing evidence that the single-player can be completed in isolation? 

[Someone With Mass]

SimJoseph7 wrote...

I have a lot to say that will quickly get lost in here, so I'll just say one thing.

In the video, Casey Hudson says (at ~2:15) regarding assets and such, "... fighting to control those on the multiplayer side, and the better you do, the more you control, the better your single player ending will be."

Sounds like a contradiction of how they are trying to sell us on multiplayer to explain it as it having no effect on single player (note the bolded, underlined words in the paragraph above).

If I can play the "co-op" with A.I. players, fine. Otherwise I am "psuedo forced" into true multiplayer to get this: "the better your single player ending will be".

It makes me sad but these come from the same people (whom I actually admire very much) who denied that there will be multiplayer.

Joseph

N.B. If you enjoy this new feature I am really happy for you and there is no sarcasm at all from me. Myself? Well as I have mentioned, if I can play the same co-op with 3 A.I. members, I would be very happy too.

I thought it was like this: If you play more co-op, you'll get more rewards and stuff that carries over to the singleplayer, but you can play only singleplayer and get the same things. It's just a matter of preferance. Want to play with buddie to get the best? Go right ahead. Want to play solo? Nobody's stopping you. 

[didymos1120]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Geth_Prime wrote...

@jollyorigins Short answer to your question - no. I have said it too many times today to repeat myself. Just lay your fears to rest, you can be sure of this - you do NOT have to play co-op to get 100% out of singleplayer.

You just keep believing that.  I'm sure that's exactly what the company line will continue to be. 

How exactly is this:

You can reach the highest levels of success in the single player experience alone, but Galaxy at War gives you alternative ways to get there.

double-speak?  Looks like a pretty straightforward, declarative sentence to me.  Please explain why that's an incorrect perception.

Modifié par didymos1120, 12 octobre 2011 - 05:55 .

[Fenderbaum]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I have to get answers to these questions (direct clear answers) due to nature of misleading and misdirection and word play they used over past few months about the entire issue of even being multiplayer, nothing less than direct answers will suffice anymore imho while in the past I was happy to give them leeway more so than now.

1. Removed (Because I have come to fairly but not 100% answer on this by cross referencing the FAQ, Video and more specifically [alternative] sources but like said it's not 100% but high enough percent for me to be not as concerned as much about it anymore that requires direct answer and I have explained the answer came too at bottom of post.)

2. Will it be mostly plans for MP DLC to come, or SP DLC or even a 50/50 split? (this one I am guessing you won't answer at all and might say no comment about it or that you do not now yet what you plan to do.)

3. Is MP based on 'have to have' four friends that have the same game and same system for that game to play? Will it be PUG or LFG based random people in team to make up numbers? Or can it be played as single player with AI controlled companions and will there be split screen mode and is it online only? (many questions rolled into one I know.)

Optional does not answer any of my questions, it is optional to take a bus to work or walk but in doing so it will have an effect on what you see and do along the way. Quality is subjective and has no baring on content each person likes differently. Optimal ending and highest success does not mean not a single cinematic or dialogue or interaction or even mission would or could ~not be available to see if play single player alone. It merely implies it probably won't and the rest are assumptions and of people saying they 'think' it means or might mean or should mean or could mean but it is merely interpretation and guessing unless answered by someone or something that directly does so. None of the MP questions are answered directly either and again relies solely so far on guessing by people that I have seen.

(Relating to question 1.) If the only thing it actually physically adds to the main game is purely and ONLY a currency but nothing else (cinemtatics, dialogue or missions) then it might be ok by me regarding that issue but only if that currency is the only thing it effects and takes the same but alternative form as single player game currency akin to money and minerals of which can obtain the same amount in single player [most importantly > prior to reaching] a stage in game where have to start using this resource. However given the nature fof this information not coming from Bioware but alternative OXM 3rd party that is why it is not 100% certain direct and clear answer, but given OXM is not just some random gamer on the net it had enough credability to lower my concern hence the removal of question 1 above and more information about why listed here in this paragraph..

This!

[Il Divo]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I thought it was like this: If you play more co-op, you'll get more rewards and stuff that carries over to the singleplayer, but you can play only singleplayer and get the same things. It's just a matter of preferance. Want to play with buddie to get the best? Go right ahead. Want to play solo? Nobody's stopping you. 

Wasn't it also specified that it would be possible to engage in this without other players? 

[didymos1120]

OK, seriously, what the hell is up with the forums? They're way more flaky than usual.

[JeffZero]

Thanks for the vid, Bioware.

We'd definitely love some answers to various questions posed in Bogsnot's thread; every little bit will help.

[didymos1120]

Il Divo wrote...

Wasn't it also specified that it would be possible to engage in this without other players? 

In the new issue of OXM, yes.  I'd still like to get "Word Of Dev" on that though, just to be sure.

[Geth_Prime]

@Killjoy Cutter You just refuse to believe that what BW has already confirmed is actually true. Quite laughable, really.

bigheadzach put it perfectly. Well said, good sir.

And yes, this thread is extremely buggy.