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[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

iakus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Again, your asking to play a co-op mode on your own....It would be aco-op modeany more. Your also forgeting this is a highly replayable game with sp side mission that will add high replayablity any way. Inshort, making a co-op modeto be played with one person with bot just make it a servival mode, wouldn't it be better to cut the middle man and as for a survival mode in the sp?

And what's wrong with this?  You get to play coop with others who want to play coop.  We get to play sp on our own as we so choose.  Everyone gets access to the same resources.  Nobody gets penalized for favoring one style over another.  What's the down side?

And when MP inevitably dies out as the Next Big Thing comes out.  These missions will still be available

The thing is bw is already offering this. The sp already has thing like the co-op in it already. My suggestion is just to enhance the sp with a servival mode.

Which sounds a lot like letting us play the MP missions with AI squadmates... 

[SimJoseph7]

dreman9999 wrote...

It not about fear at all. I'm just say take a clear look at what your asking for. A horde mode co-op game is no longer co-op if your playing by yourself. It's a servival mode. What your really asking for is a servival mode. Why not just ask for a servival mode in the sp that is better equiped to haddle AI/bot allies and allowing you control over them then asking for a co-op mode with littleor no control of the bots.

"Servival" (I am guessing you mean "Survival Mode"... not being nasty but I've never heard of the former) is not what I am looking for. That mode is just that, survive as long as you can.

I want the same co-op experience except for the need/reliance of real humans playing with me (well, actually to have the choice of A.I. or Humans is idealistic).
 
The same goals, the same enhancements to the SP campain; nothing different except for the choice of players.

Plain and simple, that is what I would like.

Joseph

[Iakus]

SimJoseph7 wrote...

"Servival" (I am guessing you mean "Survival Mode"... not being nasty but I've never heard of the former) is not what I am looking for. That mode is just that, survive as long as you can.

I want the same co-op experience except for the need/reliance of real humans playing with me (well, actually to have the choice of A.I. or Humans is idealistic).
 
The same goals, the same enhancements to the SP campain; nothing different except for the choice of players.

Plain and simple, that is what I would like.

Joseph

I can just imagine:

Hackett:  :Commander, I'm getting reports that Cerberus troops are attacking our labs on Noveria"

Shepard Response #1: " I don't have time for this": (activate multiplayer mode, hacket sends random Turian #12345 and friends to deal with it)

Shepard Response #2:  "I should go" (activate sp version of game, Shep and two squadmates do essentially the same mission

Modifié par iakus, 20 octobre 2011 - 09:26 .

[Dean_the_Young]

http://social.biowar...3/index/8551357

So, some (lots) of thoughts on War Assets.

[tetrisblock4x1]

Garrison2009 wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Extra money and time don't necessarily make a game better than it was before, and people need to remember that before instantly blaming the MP for anything they don't like in the SP.

http://social.biowar...17/polls/13874/

Does extra feature make it better, if people did not even want it?

Anyone working with ME3 game cost money to EA. ALL those money will be need to get back from sale of ME3 game.
All the money and time could have been used increase content in SP. Better or not, it's more what people want.

Not everyone that bought ME1 and ME2 will buy ME3. Bioware needs to make up that deficit somehow, but people that didn't but the first two probably won't buy the 3rd because its still the same sort of game. Add MP into the mix - now you have a variety of modes and even greater longevity. More people may become interested in the franchise and so Bioware makes more money.

An extra feature can indeed make a game better. Whether co-op will improve the ME3 experience is something none of us will know until relase, but I for one am optimistic.

Also you missed my point - extra money/time may not necessarily make the SP better. Adding too much stuff could detract from the pacing and weaken the experience as a whole. I would rather have a well-paced quality game than a longer game that potentially sacrifices quality for quantity.

You are making a massive error in your assessment.

First,  it's a single-player narrative driven game,  not conducive to multiplayer.  Go play Fable 2 co-op,  the game is decidedly less entertaining when you're not getting any story and just randomly killing things.

Second,  you are forgetting...this is a handfull of co-op missions,  not a co-op game.  I doubt there's many people who will be swayed by the promise of a few co-op missions.

I doubt there's even fewer who'll be swayed by the promise of a few co-op missions in a narritive driven single player game.

I often wonder these days,  did many people here play Fable 2?  I'd guess not considering that people seem to think this feature has any value.

Honestly, you're kind of an **** if story is all you get games for. How about this: play games for gameplay, and put game stories on a much lower pedestal, say around halfway between novels and porno?

From what I read in an interview these coop missions will require activation via dialog options in the single player game. Presumably there are alternative choices within the same context that you unlock the coop missions. And the fact that the coop has it's own team is fantastic. Means more people working on level design and assets (which are based on stuff from Mass Effect 1 in 2005), which can be applied to the whole game.

Wait wait wait... So you're saying that we should move story DOWN on the list of reasons to buy a game?? Ok... to start, I'm very much in favor of putting MP into the Mass Effect franchise. Honestly think it's a good idea that will definitely help to further the longevity of the series as a whole, but ultimately, the only reason I started playing Mass Effect in the first place was for one reason, and one reason ONLY. Because. Of. The. Story.

If you honestly can come here and say that gameplay is more important than story? Go back to Call of Duty... Very polished gameplay and zip story there whatsoever practically...

Okay? Most games have very polished gameplay and zip story. I like lots of game stories too, but I still think people who only want story from Mass Effect are idiots, Because apart from the fact that movie, shows and books have more to offer, they don't require you to spend hours killing hundreds to advance the plot.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

As long as no origin....me ok with MP in all aspects.

[Gatt9]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

Garrison2009 wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Extra money and time don't necessarily make a game better than it was before, and people need to remember that before instantly blaming the MP for anything they don't like in the SP.

http://social.biowar...17/polls/13874/

Does extra feature make it better, if people did not even want it?

Anyone working with ME3 game cost money to EA. ALL those money will be need to get back from sale of ME3 game.
All the money and time could have been used increase content in SP. Better or not, it's more what people want.

Not everyone that bought ME1 and ME2 will buy ME3. Bioware needs to make up that deficit somehow, but people that didn't but the first two probably won't buy the 3rd because its still the same sort of game. Add MP into the mix - now you have a variety of modes and even greater longevity. More people may become interested in the franchise and so Bioware makes more money.

An extra feature can indeed make a game better. Whether co-op will improve the ME3 experience is something none of us will know until relase, but I for one am optimistic.

Also you missed my point - extra money/time may not necessarily make the SP better. Adding too much stuff could detract from the pacing and weaken the experience as a whole. I would rather have a well-paced quality game than a longer game that potentially sacrifices quality for quantity.

You are making a massive error in your assessment.

First,  it's a single-player narrative driven game,  not conducive to multiplayer.  Go play Fable 2 co-op,  the game is decidedly less entertaining when you're not getting any story and just randomly killing things.

Second,  you are forgetting...this is a handfull of co-op missions,  not a co-op game.  I doubt there's many people who will be swayed by the promise of a few co-op missions.

I doubt there's even fewer who'll be swayed by the promise of a few co-op missions in a narritive driven single player game.

I often wonder these days,  did many people here play Fable 2?  I'd guess not considering that people seem to think this feature has any value.

Honestly, you're kind of an **** if story is all you get games for. How about this: play games for gameplay, and put game stories on a much lower pedestal, say around halfway between novels and porno?

From what I read in an interview these coop missions will require activation via dialog options in the single player game. Presumably there are alternative choices within the same context that you unlock the coop missions. And the fact that the coop has it's own team is fantastic. Means more people working on level design and assets (which are based on stuff from Mass Effect 1 in 2005), which can be applied to the whole game.

Wait wait wait... So you're saying that we should move story DOWN on the list of reasons to buy a game?? Ok... to start, I'm very much in favor of putting MP into the Mass Effect franchise. Honestly think it's a good idea that will definitely help to further the longevity of the series as a whole, but ultimately, the only reason I started playing Mass Effect in the first place was for one reason, and one reason ONLY. Because. Of. The. Story.

If you honestly can come here and say that gameplay is more important than story? Go back to Call of Duty... Very polished gameplay and zip story there whatsoever practically...

Okay? Most games have very polished gameplay and zip story. I like lots of game stories too, but I still think people who only want story from Mass Effect are idiots, Because apart from the fact that movie, shows and books have more to offer, they don't require you to spend hours killing hundreds to advance the plot.

You probably shouldn't be tossing stones around.  Because what you've just stated is that you think the very best game is where you spend hours killing hundreds for absolutely no reason at all.  Your ideal game,  from what you've said,  is whack-a-mole.

You might also want to avoid putting forth Mass Effects combat as something respectable,  you really don't want to head down that road.  Linear corridors,  contrived "battlefields" with convienent waist high walls and boxes in every one,  brain-dead AI eerily similiar to 1998's quality,  weapons that are redundant and generally useless (You only need one weapon the whole game)...trying to claim ME2's combat is of any quality is not going to end well.

You might even want to notice that Bioware's most highly respected for...their stories. 

[mcneil_1]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

As long as no origin....me ok with MP in all aspects.

Same here.

[Taciter]

[quote]Candidate 88766 wrote...
Bots would add to the replayability I agree.[/quote]
[quote]Garrison2009 wrote...
Agreed. I personally have no problem with adding bots as it would give me more freedom as to how I want to play...for those times when either nobody's on or I just dont want to have to deal with other human beings right at that moment, I can always just switch the bots on and go at it.[/quote]
[quote]Axelstall wrote...
You are correct, those are the people we want playing it. (Plus bots, Oh my gosh. It'll be like story except your not stuck playing as a human! YYYEEESSS!!)
That would be great.[/quote]
[quote]SkyeHawk89 wrote...
...I though want Offline, Local CoOp/Multiplayer with A.I. I too don't have Online Access still for my Xbox. I have the old version, I'm on WiFi Only right now. I do have both systems, I be getting it for both. I'm looking forward to both modes, mainly Singleplayer...[/quote]
[quote]SimJoseph7 wrote...
The reasons people want an A.I. vs. Human players have already been stated on more than one occasion.[/quote]
[quote]iakus wrote...
...You get to play coop with others who want to play coop.  We get to play sp on our own as we so choose.  Everyone gets access to the same resources.  Nobody gets penalized for favoring one style over another.  What's the down side?[/quote]
Hey this is great peeps, nice to see some consensus! It occured to me that this AI co-op MP suggestion could also work in EA's favour. For those like myself who are fundamentally at odds with MP, it may be a way of easing the transition. If I love the MP co-op mode with AI squaddies sufficiently, I may even try substituting one or two bots with a human player to see if the experience is as rewarding.. who knows!

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...
I'm not consern that adding bots will stop people from playing with other people are deture them from other people. Just that the point making it co-op would be lost...[/quote]
You obviously don't understand the motivation behind our request. It seems other shave grasped it pretty quickly so why can't you? Don;t bother answering that, I know you'll just repeat the question...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...
Again, your asking to play a co-op mode on your own....It wouldn't be a co-op modeany more. Your also forgeting this is a highly replayable game with sp side mission that will add high replayablity any way. ...blah blah.. stuck record[/quote]
You don't give up do you Dre, I swear you're just automaton.. why am I even humouring you?

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...
But co-op does not have it's own story.[/quote]
Again.. been over this x 1000.. try thinking more and typing less.

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...
The thing is bw is already offering this. The sp already has thing like the co-op in it already. My suggestion is just to enhance the sp with a servival mode.[/quote]
Same again.... feeling nauseous!

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...
It not about fear at all. I'm just say take a clear look at what your asking for. A horde mode co-op game is no longer co-op if your playing by yourself...[/quote]
And once more for good measure!
I suspect SimJoseph hit the nail on the head when he posed the question:

[quote]SimJoseph7 wrote...
Are you afraid that more people would choose to play a Solo Multiplayer mode thus taking away from the pool of people you want to play against? If so, just maybe many people really don't want to play a real co-op match.
I'll ask again, your REAL multiplayer won't change, so why are you worried over something that I and others may prefer?[/quote]
and in other news...

[quote]tetrisblock4x1 wrote...
Okay? Most games have very polished gameplay and zip story. I like lots of game stories too, but I still think people who only want story from Mass Effect are idiots, Because apart from the fact that movie, shows and books have more to offer, they don't require you to spend hours killing hundreds to advance the plot. [/quote]
And maybe that's where Films and books are decidedly lacking! The Mass Effect franchise has long been described as an interactive story - if you bought the game soul purpose of merely slaughtering hundreds of antagonists then I have to question your judgement. You can do that in most any Action/FPS title these days, why did you choose to indulge your chosen play style in a 3rd person storyline driven RPG?

[quote]Gatt9 wrote...
You probably shouldn't be tossing stones around.  Because what you've just stated is that you think the very best game is where you spend hours killing hundreds for absolutely no reason at all.  Your ideal game,  from what you've said,  is whack-a-mole.[/quote]
This^

Modifié par Taciter, 21 octobre 2011 - 01:21 .

[ProxyZer0]

Woo hoo! More than excited.

[Garrison2009]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

Garrison2009 wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Extra money and time don't necessarily make a game better than it was before, and people need to remember that before instantly blaming the MP for anything they don't like in the SP.

http://social.biowar...17/polls/13874/

Does extra feature make it better, if people did not even want it?

Anyone working with ME3 game cost money to EA. ALL those money will be need to get back from sale of ME3 game.
All the money and time could have been used increase content in SP. Better or not, it's more what people want.

Not everyone that bought ME1 and ME2 will buy ME3. Bioware needs to make up that deficit somehow, but people that didn't but the first two probably won't buy the 3rd because its still the same sort of game. Add MP into the mix - now you have a variety of modes and even greater longevity. More people may become interested in the franchise and so Bioware makes more money.

An extra feature can indeed make a game better. Whether co-op will improve the ME3 experience is something none of us will know until relase, but I for one am optimistic.

Also you missed my point - extra money/time may not necessarily make the SP better. Adding too much stuff could detract from the pacing and weaken the experience as a whole. I would rather have a well-paced quality game than a longer game that potentially sacrifices quality for quantity.

You are making a massive error in your assessment.

First,  it's a single-player narrative driven game,  not conducive to multiplayer.  Go play Fable 2 co-op,  the game is decidedly less entertaining when you're not getting any story and just randomly killing things.

Second,  you are forgetting...this is a handfull of co-op missions,  not a co-op game.  I doubt there's many people who will be swayed by the promise of a few co-op missions.

I doubt there's even fewer who'll be swayed by the promise of a few co-op missions in a narritive driven single player game.

I often wonder these days,  did many people here play Fable 2?  I'd guess not considering that people seem to think this feature has any value.

Honestly, you're kind of an **** if story is all you get games for. How about this: play games for gameplay, and put game stories on a much lower pedestal, say around halfway between novels and porno?

From what I read in an interview these coop missions will require activation via dialog options in the single player game. Presumably there are alternative choices within the same context that you unlock the coop missions. And the fact that the coop has it's own team is fantastic. Means more people working on level design and assets (which are based on stuff from Mass Effect 1 in 2005), which can be applied to the whole game.

Wait wait wait... So you're saying that we should move story DOWN on the list of reasons to buy a game?? Ok... to start, I'm very much in favor of putting MP into the Mass Effect franchise. Honestly think it's a good idea that will definitely help to further the longevity of the series as a whole, but ultimately, the only reason I started playing Mass Effect in the first place was for one reason, and one reason ONLY. Because. Of. The. Story.

If you honestly can come here and say that gameplay is more important than story? Go back to Call of Duty... Very polished gameplay and zip story there whatsoever practically...

Okay? Most games have very polished gameplay and zip story. I like lots of game stories too, but I still think people who only want story from Mass Effect are idiots, Because apart from the fact that movie, shows and books have more to offer, they don't require you to spend hours killing hundreds to advance the plot.

Yes... As you say, MOST games have zip story... That however does not include the Mass Effect series. Do I enjoy the shooting parts of the game? Definitely. If the story were stripped from it and only the shooting parts left, would I still play it? I highly doubt it.

It's a story about a soldier given the knowledge that an advanced race of sentient warships, that are malevolent and unyielding, are coming to wipe everything out... How else is the plot supposed to go from there, but directly to trying to stop them by any means necessary? Should Shepard sit down and have tea and biscuits with the Reapers? Heck no! He/She picks up a gun and runs off to try and fight them and thus the story pans out from there... If you honestly can come here and say that Mass Effect's plot is second-rate at best... Then why the heck are you here in the first place??

[Garrison2009]

[quote]Gatt9 wrote...

[quote]tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

[quote]Garrison2009 wrote...

[quote]tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

[quote]Gatt9 wrote...

[quote]Candidate 88766 wrote...

[quote]Lumikki wrote...

[quote]Candidate 88766 wrote...

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You probably shouldn't be tossing stones around.  Because what you've just stated is that you think the very best game is where you spend hours killing hundreds for absolutely no reason at all.  Your ideal game,  from what you've said,  is whack-a-mole.

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ROFL! Could not have said it better myself.

Modifié par Garrison2009, 21 octobre 2011 - 01:36 .

[bucyrus5000]

[quote]Garrison2009 wrote...

[quote]Gatt9 wrote...

[quote]tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

[quote]Garrison2009 wrote...

[quote]tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

[quote]Gatt9 wrote...

[quote]Candidate 88766 wrote...

[quote]Lumikki wrote...

[quote]Candidate 88766 wrote...

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You probably shouldn't be tossing stones around.  Because what you've just stated is that you think the very best game is where you spend hours killing hundreds for absolutely no reason at all.  Your ideal game,  from what you've said,  is whack-a-mole.

[/quote]



ROFL! Could not have said it better myself.

[/quote]
Wack a Mole?! That sounds great! Who makes it? Bioware? Bethesda? Blizzard? Some other game developer that starts with 'B'? How much a month do I pay for it? I won't pay more than $90 (unless there is a special addition that comes with a mug and artbook).

[dreman9999]

SimJoseph7 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It not about fear at all. I'm just say take a clear look at what your asking for. A horde mode co-op game is no longer co-op if your playing by yourself. It's a servival mode. What your really asking for is a servival mode. Why not just ask for a servival mode in the sp that is better equiped to haddle AI/bot allies and allowing you control over them then asking for a co-op mode with littleor no control of the bots.

"Servival" (I am guessing you mean "Survival Mode"... not being nasty but I've never heard of the former) is not what I am looking for. That mode is just that, survive as long as you can.

I want the same co-op experience except for the need/reliance of real humans playing with me (well, actually to have the choice of A.I. or Humans is idealistic).
 
The same goals, the same enhancements to the SP campain; nothing different except for the choice of players.

Plain and simple, that is what I would like.

Joseph

But that is what a  co-op mode with bots is going to be. It's just a survival mode, no matter how you lable it. You may say you don't want a survival mode, but asking for be able to play the co-op 100% on your own with bots is just that....A survival mode.

[dreman9999]

[quote]Taciter wrote...

[quote]Candidate 88766 wrote...
Bots would add to the replayability I agree.[/quote]
[quote]Garrison2009 wrote...
Agreed. I personally have no problem with adding bots as it would give me more freedom as to how I want to play...for those times when either nobody's on or I just dont want to have to deal with other human beings right at that moment, I can always just switch the bots on and go at it.[/quote]
[quote]Axelstall wrote...
You are correct, those are the people we want playing it. (Plus bots, Oh my gosh. It'll be like story except your not stuck playing as a human! YYYEEESSS!!)
That would be great.[/quote]
[quote]SkyeHawk89 wrote...
...I though want Offline, Local CoOp/Multiplayer with A.I. I too don't have Online Access still for my Xbox. I have the old version, I'm on WiFi Only right now. I do have both systems, I be getting it for both. I'm looking forward to both modes, mainly Singleplayer...[/quote]
[quote]SimJoseph7 wrote...
The reasons people want an A.I. vs. Human players have already been stated on more than one occasion.[/quote]
[quote]iakus wrote...
...You get to play coop with others who want to play coop.  We get to play sp on our own as we so choose.  Everyone gets access to the same resources.  Nobody gets penalized for favoring one style over another.  What's the down side?[/quote]
Hey this is great peeps, nice to see some consensus! It occured to me that this AI co-op MP suggestion could also work in EA's favour. For those like myself who are fundamentally at odds with MP, it may be a way of easing the transition. If I love the MP co-op mode with AI squaddies sufficiently, I may even try substituting one or two bots with a human player to see if the experience is as rewarding.. who knows!

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...
I'm not consern that adding bots will stop people from playing with other people are deture them from other people. Just that the point making it co-op would be lost...[/quote]
You obviously don't understand the motivation behind our request. It seems other shave grasped it pretty quickly so why can't you? Don;t bother answering that, I know you'll just repeat the question...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...
Again, your asking to play a co-op mode on your own....It wouldn't be a co-op modeany more. Your also forgeting this is a highly replayable game with sp side mission that will add high replayablity any way. ...blah blah.. stuck record[/quote]
You don't give up do you Dre, I swear you're just automaton.. why am I even humouring you?

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...
But co-op does not have it's own story.[/quote]
Again.. been over this x 1000.. try thinking more and typing less.

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...
The thing is bw is already offering this. The sp already has thing like the co-op in it already. My suggestion is just to enhance the sp with a servival mode.[/quote]
Same again.... feeling nauseous!

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...
It not about fear at all. I'm just say take a clear look at what your asking for. A horde mode co-op game is no longer co-op if your playing by yourself...[/quote]
And once more for good measure!
I suspect SimJoseph hit the nail on the head when he posed the question:

[quote]SimJoseph7 wrote...
Are you afraid that more people would choose to play a Solo Multiplayer mode thus taking away from the pool of people you want to play against? If so, just maybe many people really don't want to play a real co-op match.
I'll ask again, your REAL multiplayer won't change, so why are you worried over something that I and others may prefer?[/quote]
and in other news...

[quote]tetrisblock4x1 wrote...
Okay? Most games have very polished gameplay and zip story. I like lots of game stories too, but I still think people who only want story from Mass Effect are idiots, Because apart from the fact that movie, shows and books have more to offer, they don't require you to spend hours killing hundreds to advance the plot. [/quote]
And maybe that's where Films and books are decidedly lacking! The Mass Effect franchise has long been described as an interactive story - if you bought the game soul purpose of merely slaughtering hundreds of antagonists then I have to question your judgement. You can do that in most any Action/FPS title these days, why did you choose to indulge your chosen play style in a 3rd person storyline driven RPG?

[quote]Gatt9 wrote...
You probably shouldn't be tossing stones around.  Because what you've just stated is that you think the very best game is where you spend hours killing hundreds for absolutely no reason at all.  Your ideal game,  from what you've said,  is whack-a-mole.[/quote]
This^[/quote]
I understand the motivation to your request. I'm just pointing out what your asking for.....A co-op played by yourself with bots is just a survival mode. It's no longer a co-op mode, it's a survival mode. The game would be over when you die if your playing with bots only. In a co-op mode the game is over when everyone dies. It's not that I am not understanding you, It you who's not understanding me. Your saying that the replayiblity for the co-op will be higher if you can play alone with bots. I'm say if you can play the co-op alone with bots, it's no longer co-op , it's another mode. I'm saying instead asking for bots, ask for a survival mode because playing a co-op mode 100% with bot makes the mode no long a co-op mode.

Modifié par dreman9999, 21 octobre 2011 - 03:34 .

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

iakus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Again, your asking to play a co-op mode on your own....It would be aco-op modeany more. Your also forgeting this is a highly replayable game with sp side mission that will add high replayablity any way. Inshort, making a co-op modeto be played with one person with bot just make it a servival mode, wouldn't it be better to cut the middle man and as for a survival mode in the sp?

And what's wrong with this?  You get to play coop with others who want to play coop.  We get to play sp on our own as we so choose.  Everyone gets access to the same resources.  Nobody gets penalized for favoring one style over another.  What's the down side?

And when MP inevitably dies out as the Next Big Thing comes out.  These missions will still be available

The thing is bw is already offering this. The sp already has thing like the co-op in it already. My suggestion is just to enhance the sp with a servival mode.

Which sounds a lot like letting us play the MP missions with AI squadmates... 

Which would be the same as plaing a survival mode. Don't you understand that playing a co-op mode with 100% bots makes it a survival mode? It's no longer a mp mode if your playing by yourself with bots only. Multi player does not mean 1 player.

Modifié par dreman9999, 21 octobre 2011 - 04:34 .

[Cancer Puppet]

Wow! I can feel the love in this thread. :/

[tetrisblock4x1]

This thread is giving me cancer. Would love a good discussion but i simply can't be ****ed talking to people whos first reaction is to assume facts based on preconceived notions like: this guy doesn't agree with me, so he obviously likes black ops..

[Jonathan Shepard]

Meant to post this awhile ago... back when this FAQ changed my mind about MP in ME3, so without further ado:

Dear BioWare,

I apologize for my skepticism and foolish disbelief that you would be able to successfully integrate multi-player into Mass Effect 3. I now understand why Casey told us it was the "best place to start for new fans." I also understand that even with all of this information, there will be haters. However, considering how you made the impact on campaign optional, but realistic to the theme of a galactic war, I appreciate what you've done, and you have won me over. My faith was wavering in your ability after ME2's shortcomings and the decidedly botched job on DA2. You have restored that faith, and while the die-hard RPG fan in me wants to hate this, I simply cannot.

I love you guys, and apologize for my doubts. You are truly the best developers and know your own games better than we thought you did. You deserve better than what we've given you as a fanbase.
In fact, I'm more excited than ever before. Today, I was in a funk because I honestly thought ME3 would be ruined. I consistently doubted that any sort of info would be able to sway myself or the hundreds of other previously disappointed fans. I was wrong, and my day seems to have been wasted in sorrow when I should have been rejoicing.

My sincere thanks, apologies, and eternal fanboy devotion,
-Jonathan Shepard.

[Lumikki]

dreman9999 wrote...

Which would be the same as plaing a survival mode. Don't you understand that playing a co-op mode with 100% bots makes it a survival mode? It's no longer a mp mode if your playing by yourself with bots only. Multi player does not mean 1 player.

Of course we get it. But many of us did not want MP in ME3, but we do want to play ALL the CONTENT of ME3.  Is there reason why we can't play the content without been forced to play with others?

If ME3 would be mmorpg or multiplayer game in base design, then I would agree you point not to let people solo everyting, but ME3 is still single player game from base design. Meaning it's ment to be played alone.

Modifié par Lumikki, 21 octobre 2011 - 09:37 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Lumikki wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Which would be the same as plaing a survival mode. Don't you understand that playing a co-op mode with 100% bots makes it a survival mode? It's no longer a mp mode if your playing by yourself with bots only. Multi player does not mean 1 player.

Of course we get it. But many of us did not want MP in ME3, but we do want to play ALL the CONTENT of ME3.  Is there reason why we can't play the content without been forced to play with others?

If ME3 would be mmorpg or multiplayer game in base design, then I would agree you point not to let people solo everyting, but ME3 is still single player game from base design. Meaning it's ment to be played alone.

Well said. 

I have to wonder why there's any opposition from players to the idea  of AI bots and the access to play the content that's in MP, alone and offline instead. 

[TheRealJayDee]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Which would be the same as plaing a survival mode. Don't you understand that playing a co-op mode with 100% bots makes it a survival mode? It's no longer a mp mode if your playing by yourself with bots only. Multi player does not mean 1 player.

Of course we get it. But many of us did not want MP in ME3, but we do want to play ALL the CONTENT of ME3.  Is there reason why we can't play the content without been forced to play with others?

If ME3 would be mmorpg or multiplayer game in base design, then I would agree you point not to let people solo everyting, but ME3 is still single player game from base design. Meaning it's ment to be played alone.

Well said. 

I have to wonder why there's any opposition from players to the idea  of AI bots and the access to play the content that's in MP, alone and offline instead. 

No idea, I mean, experiencing the MP content alone and offline would be completely optional, nobody is trying to force anyone to play it by themselves.
And adding completely optional things that may please some people is just a good thing, isn't it?!

[Killjoy Cutter]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Which would be the same as plaing a survival mode. Don't you understand that playing a co-op mode with 100% bots makes it a survival mode? It's no longer a mp mode if your playing by yourself with bots only. Multi player does not mean 1 player.

Of course we get it. But many of us did not want MP in ME3, but we do want to play ALL the CONTENT of ME3.  Is there reason why we can't play the content without been forced to play with others?

If ME3 would be mmorpg or multiplayer game in base design, then I would agree you point not to let people solo everyting, but ME3 is still single player game from base design. Meaning it's ment to be played alone.

Well said. 

I have to wonder why there's any opposition from players to the idea  of AI bots and the access to play the content that's in MP, alone and offline instead. 

No idea, I mean, experiencing the MP content alone and offline would be completely optional, nobody is trying to force anyone to play it by themselves.
And adding completely optional things that may please some people is just a good thing, isn't it?!

That's what the pro-MP people keep telling us.  It's not like anyone would force them to use the bots, right?  

[macrocarl]

I hope there's split screen. Sorry if that was confirmed or denied already. This thread is a book.