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[dreman9999]

Lumikki wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Which would be the same as plaing a survival mode. Don't you understand that playing a co-op mode with 100% bots makes it a survival mode? It's no longer a mp mode if your playing by yourself with bots only. Multi player does not mean 1 player.

Of course we get it. But many of us did not want MP in ME3, but we do want to play ALL the CONTENT of ME3.  Is there reason why we can't play the content without been forced to play with others?

If ME3 would be mmorpg or multiplayer game in base design, then I would agree you point not to let people solo everyting, but ME3 is still single player game from base design. Meaning it's ment to be played alone.

Which is why bioware made the gameso you don't have to play the mp. Just look at the mp and se ewha tyou lose if you don't play it and you'll understand it's just anotherversion of the sp side missions. Is this really a need to just to be able to see everything with out crossing another person.

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Which would be the same as plaing a survival mode. Don't you understand that playing a co-op mode with 100% bots makes it a survival mode? It's no longer a mp mode if your playing by yourself with bots only. Multi player does not mean 1 player.

Of course we get it. But many of us did not want MP in ME3, but we do want to play ALL the CONTENT of ME3.  Is there reason why we can't play the content without been forced to play with others?

If ME3 would be mmorpg or multiplayer game in base design, then I would agree you point not to let people solo everyting, but ME3 is still single player game from base design. Meaning it's ment to be played alone.

Well said. 

I have to wonder why there's any opposition from players to the idea  of AI bots and the access to play the content that's in MP, alone and offline instead. 

No idea, I mean, experiencing the MP content alone and offline would be completely optional, nobody is trying to force anyone to play it by themselves.
And adding completely optional things that may please some people is just a good thing, isn't it?!

That's what the pro-MP people keep telling us.  It's not like anyone would force them to use the bots, right?  

But then it won't be a mp mode yourplaying.

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Which would be the same as plaing a survival mode. Don't you understand that playing a co-op mode with 100% bots makes it a survival mode? It's no longer a mp mode if your playing by yourself with bots only. Multi player does not mean 1 player.

Of course we get it. But many of us did not want MP in ME3, but we do want to play ALL the CONTENT of ME3.  Is there reason why we can't play the content without been forced to play with others?

If ME3 would be mmorpg or multiplayer game in base design, then I would agree you point not to let people solo everyting, but ME3 is still single player game from base design. Meaning it's ment to be played alone.

Well said. 

I have to wonder why there's any opposition from players to the idea  of AI bots and the access to play the content that's in MP, alone and offline instead. 

No idea, I mean, experiencing the MP content alone and offline would be completely optional, nobody is trying to force anyone to play it by themselves.
And adding completely optional things that may please some people is just a good thing, isn't it?!

That's what the pro-MP people keep telling us.  It's not like anyone would force them to use the bots, right?  

But then it won't be a mp mode yourplaying.

I knew you'd say that. 

Why is it so drastically important to you that it's a pure MP mode, and that people play the content therein only in MP?  

(As opposed to "spec ops squad content you can play with other people online or with AI bots offline".) 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 21 octobre 2011 - 03:38 .

[Garrison2009]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

This thread is giving me cancer. Would love a good discussion but i simply can't be ****ed talking to people whos first reaction is to assume facts based on preconceived notions like: this guy doesn't agree with me, so he obviously likes black ops..

You eat with that mouth? Seriously, I think there's a rule about profanity on these forums... And as for our asumptions, it's obviously clear that you either prefer games with less story and just want kill things, or you have no idea what a good story is and wouldnt know it if it came up and slapped you in the face (As the Mass Effect series has done), once again making me bring forth the question... Why are you even posting on these forums in the first place?

Modifié par Garrison2009, 21 octobre 2011 - 04:14 .

[tetrisblock4x1]

A good story is one where you don't have to spend hours killing things and doesn't always let you play god. So none of the Bioware games.

Modifié par tetrisblock4x1, 21 octobre 2011 - 04:36 .

[Iakus]

dreman9999 wrote...
But then it won't be a mp mode yourplaying.

That's kinda the point.

But at least we wouldn't be penalized for not doing MP

Modifié par iakus, 21 octobre 2011 - 06:18 .

[SimJoseph7]

dreman9999 wrote...
But that is what a co-op mode with bots is going to be. It's just a survival mode, no matter how you lable it. You may say you don't want a survival mode, but asking for be able to play the co-op 100% on your own with bots is just that....A survival mode.

Ok, I see you are stuck on semantics.

My understanding of Survival Mode is that it is just to see how long you can survive before being killed; not what I want.

My idea of Multiplayer with A.I. (and I do understand it is not true multiplayer) is to have the exact same goals as the co-op; get in and take control of the area (if that is what is meant to happen in their version of co-op) and get out of there.

Not just to survive, but the whole, same experience and goals but without additional real world players.
 
Call it what you want, it just isn't worth going back and forth here as we both know what I want. I don't think I'm out of line asking for it either; they are still working on multiplayer so now is the time to ask for it.

I hope that you understand what I'm looking for.

Joseph

[dreman9999]

iakus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
But then it won't be a mp mode yourplaying.

That's kinda the point.

But at least we wouldn't be penalized for not doing MP

But your not. Time and Time again It's been stated that what ever you get in the mp you can get in the spfor GR. You not being penalized for not doing the mp.

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

iakus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
But then it won't be a mp mode yourplaying.

That's kinda the point.

But at least we wouldn't be penalized for not doing MP

But your not. Time and Time again It's been stated that what ever you get in the mp you can get in the spfor GR. You not being penalized for not doing the mp.

Well, time and time you've repeated it. 

Never mind that said assertion is only based on the claims of the same people who also told us for months that there wouldn't be MP in ME3.

Never mind that what you consider a penalty and what others consider a penalty aren't the same thing. 

[dreman9999]

SimJoseph7 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
But that is what a co-op mode with bots is going to be. It's just a survival mode, no matter how you lable it. You may say you don't want a survival mode, but asking for be able to play the co-op 100% on your own with bots is just that....A survival mode.

Ok, I see you are stuck on semantics.

My understanding of Survival Mode is that it is just to see how long you can survive before being killed; not what I want.

My idea of Multiplayer with A.I. (and I do understand it is not true multiplayer) is to have the exact same goals as the co-op; get in and take control of the area (if that is what is meant to happen in their version of co-op) and get out of there.

Not just to survive, but the whole, same experience and goals but without additional real world players.
 
Call it what you want, it just isn't worth going back and forth here as we both know what I want. I don't think I'm out of line asking for it either; they are still working on multiplayer so now is the time to ask for it.

I hope that you understand what I'm looking for.

Joseph

But that's still a survival mode. You just holding a point or even gaining control of an area is a survival mode. You just  keep going till you acheave your goal like the horde mode in Gears.

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

SimJoseph7 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
But that is what a co-op mode with bots is going to be. It's just a survival mode, no matter how you lable it. You may say you don't want a survival mode, but asking for be able to play the co-op 100% on your own with bots is just that....A survival mode.

Ok, I see you are stuck on semantics.

My understanding of Survival Mode is that it is just to see how long you can survive before being killed; not what I want.

My idea of Multiplayer with A.I. (and I do understand it is not true multiplayer) is to have the exact same goals as the co-op; get in and take control of the area (if that is what is meant to happen in their version of co-op) and get out of there.

Not just to survive, but the whole, same experience and goals but without additional real world players.
 
Call it what you want, it just isn't worth going back and forth here as we both know what I want. I don't think I'm out of line asking for it either; they are still working on multiplayer so now is the time to ask for it.

I hope that you understand what I'm looking for.

Joseph

But that's still a survival mode. You just holding a point or even gaining control of an area is a survival mode. You just  keep going till you acheave your goal like the horde mode in Gears.

Well, at least it's what you call a "survival mode". 

What almost all other people consider "survival mode" is simply facing wave after wave of enemies, either until you've survived a certain number of waves, or until you're taken down.   The only goal is to live -- to survive.  

[Garrison2009]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

A good story is one where you don't have to spend hours killing things and doesn't always let you play god. So none of the Bioware games.

No, a good story is one where you care about the characters involved and their well-being throughtout the narrative. And there is no point at all where Shepard 'plays God.'  Is he/she given choices to make? Yes.  Do those choices change the way in which events turn out? Absolutely.  But that is based off real life. The choices we make alter the outcome of things around us... And if you cant see that as it is, then yeah, Whack-a-Mole might really be your best fall-back option here.

As for killing things, Shepard is a soldier... He/she was trained in the art of combat. Naturally that is how Shepard is going to deal with problems. And besides, how would you have the story unfold if not with action? Shepard and the council sit down and write a strongly worded letter to the Reapers?

Modifié par Garrison2009, 21 octobre 2011 - 07:07 .

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

iakus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
But then it won't be a mp mode yourplaying.

That's kinda the point.

But at least we wouldn't be penalized for not doing MP

But your not. Time and Time again It's been stated that what ever you get in the mp you can get in the spfor GR. You not being penalized for not doing the mp.

Well, time and time you've repeated it. 

Never mind that said assertion is only based on the claims of the same people who also told us for months that there wouldn't be MP in ME3.

Never mind that what you consider a penalty and what others consider a penalty aren't the same thing. 

Right, let not forget the fact that if they told use they werehaving mp but hade no idea how it was going to be months back, this forum would of gone to total war.

I feel it better to have a complete awnser first before awnsering a question that can lead to mass confusing.

I also, find it funny how you can pick and choose what they are saying is a lie or not just to warp your support for your beleifs. Can you even prove that what they are saying about mp is a lie?

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

SimJoseph7 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
But that is what a co-op mode with bots is going to be. It's just a survival mode, no matter how you lable it. You may say you don't want a survival mode, but asking for be able to play the co-op 100% on your own with bots is just that....A survival mode.

Ok, I see you are stuck on semantics.

My understanding of Survival Mode is that it is just to see how long you can survive before being killed; not what I want.

My idea of Multiplayer with A.I. (and I do understand it is not true multiplayer) is to have the exact same goals as the co-op; get in and take control of the area (if that is what is meant to happen in their version of co-op) and get out of there.

Not just to survive, but the whole, same experience and goals but without additional real world players.
 
Call it what you want, it just isn't worth going back and forth here as we both know what I want. I don't think I'm out of line asking for it either; they are still working on multiplayer so now is the time to ask for it.

I hope that you understand what I'm looking for.

Joseph

But that's still a survival mode. You just holding a point or even gaining control of an area is a survival mode. You just  keep going till you acheave your goal like the horde mode in Gears.

Well, at least it's what you call a "survival mode". 

What almost all other people consider "survival mode" is simply facing wave after wave of enemies, either until you've survived a certain number of waves, or until you're taken down.   The only goal is to live -- to survive.  

Look up horde mode and you'll understand what I mean. You'll see that it exsactly the same as ME3 mp.

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Right, let not forget the fact that if they told use they werehaving mp but hade no idea how it was going to be months back, this forum would of gone to total war.

I feel it better to have a complete awnser first before awnsering a question that can lead to mass confusing.

I also, find it funny how you can pick and choose what they are saying is a lie or not just to warp your support for your beleifs. Can you even prove that what they are saying about mp is a lie?

I don't know if it's a lie, but based on their past behavior, I don't trust them. 

Why should I believe anything EAware says after all the distortion and omission and deceits they've already engaged in? 

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

SimJoseph7 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
But that is what a co-op mode with bots is going to be. It's just a survival mode, no matter how you lable it. You may say you don't want a survival mode, but asking for be able to play the co-op 100% on your own with bots is just that....A survival mode.

Ok, I see you are stuck on semantics.

My understanding of Survival Mode is that it is just to see how long you can survive before being killed; not what I want.

My idea of Multiplayer with A.I. (and I do understand it is not true multiplayer) is to have the exact same goals as the co-op; get in and take control of the area (if that is what is meant to happen in their version of co-op) and get out of there.

Not just to survive, but the whole, same experience and goals but without additional real world players.
 
Call it what you want, it just isn't worth going back and forth here as we both know what I want. I don't think I'm out of line asking for it either; they are still working on multiplayer so now is the time to ask for it.

I hope that you understand what I'm looking for.

Joseph

But that's still a survival mode. You just holding a point or even gaining control of an area is a survival mode. You just  keep going till you acheave your goal like the horde mode in Gears.

Well, at least it's what you call a "survival mode". 

What almost all other people consider "survival mode" is simply facing wave after wave of enemies, either until you've survived a certain number of waves, or until you're taken down.   The only goal is to live -- to survive.  

Look up horde mode and you'll understand what I mean. You'll see that it exsactly the same as ME3 mp.

And?  So what? 

Just because you consider either mode a "survival mode", doesn't mean that anyone else does, chief.

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

SimJoseph7 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
But that is what a co-op mode with bots is going to be. It's just a survival mode, no matter how you lable it. You may say you don't want a survival mode, but asking for be able to play the co-op 100% on your own with bots is just that....A survival mode.

Ok, I see you are stuck on semantics.

My understanding of Survival Mode is that it is just to see how long you can survive before being killed; not what I want.

My idea of Multiplayer with A.I. (and I do understand it is not true multiplayer) is to have the exact same goals as the co-op; get in and take control of the area (if that is what is meant to happen in their version of co-op) and get out of there.

Not just to survive, but the whole, same experience and goals but without additional real world players.
 
Call it what you want, it just isn't worth going back and forth here as we both know what I want. I don't think I'm out of line asking for it either; they are still working on multiplayer so now is the time to ask for it.

I hope that you understand what I'm looking for.

Joseph

But that's still a survival mode. You just holding a point or even gaining control of an area is a survival mode. You just  keep going till you acheave your goal like the horde mode in Gears.

Well, at least it's what you call a "survival mode". 

What almost all other people consider "survival mode" is simply facing wave after wave of enemies, either until you've survived a certain number of waves, or until you're taken down.   The only goal is to live -- to survive.  

Look up horde mode and you'll understand what I mean. You'll see that it exsactly the same as ME3 mp.

And?  So what? 

Just because you consider either mode a "survival mode", doesn't mean that anyone else does, chief.

But by the way you play it it is a survival mode. Ask your self this...What exact are your goals in the mp co-op and what do you do in the mp? And no, the story goal of getting resourse is not it...Look at it as a strictly gameplay aspect

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

But by the way you play it it is a survival mode. Ask your self this...What exact are your goals in the mp co-op and what do you do in the mp? And no, the story goal of getting resourse is not it...Look at it as a strictly gameplay aspect

We're being told, at least, that there are goals to those missions, beyond just fighting a certain number of enemies.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 21 octobre 2011 - 07:36 .

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Right, let not forget the fact that if they told use they werehaving mp but hade no idea how it was going to be months back, this forum would of gone to total war.

I feel it better to have a complete awnser first before awnsering a question that can lead to mass confusing.

I also, find it funny how you can pick and choose what they are saying is a lie or not just to warp your support for your beliefs. Can you even prove that what they are saying about mp is a lie?

I don't know if it's a lie, but based on their past behavior, I don't trust them. 

Why should I believe anything EAware says after all the distortion and omission and deceits they've already engaged in? 

Past behavior? You make it sound that they owe you something.  And if you really believe everything they say is lies, then that means it's not the game they say it is. It's a 5hour fps with hardcore vs mp.  A Space Channel 5 type dance/match game were Shepard and their squad must dance off ageist the reapers and the invading force to dance for the fate of the universe. It's a tetris like puzzle game were you face off harbinger to match the aliens. And So on and so on..... My point....get over it..... They don't need to tell you everything they are doing at once and they can dispel the fears of mp as they see it. If they see a way to dispel the fears of mp without causing a panic with fan, it's no fault for them to use it. Say that what they say is a lie because you don't like how they handle telling us about mp is small minded, especially with no grounds to support your arguments. It's as absurd as bw making ME3 a [i]Space Channel 5 dance game.

Modifié par dreman9999, 21 octobre 2011 - 07:46 .

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

But by the way you play it it is a survival mode. Ask your self this...What exact are your goals in the mp co-op and what do you do in the mp? And no, the story goal of getting resourse is not it...Look at it as a strictly gameplay aspect

We're being told, at least, that there are goals to those missions, beyond just fighting a certain number of enemies.

No, that goal is just story based. You just holding that area  and killing things. It's much like a horde mode.

Modifié par dreman9999, 21 octobre 2011 - 07:46 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Right, let not forget the fact that if they told use they werehaving mp but hade no idea how it was going to be months back, this forum would of gone to total war.

I feel it better to have a complete awnser first before awnsering a question that can lead to mass confusing.

I also, find it funny how you can pick and choose what they are saying is a lie or not just to warp your support for your beliefs. Can you even prove that what they are saying about mp is a lie?

I don't know if it's a lie, but based on their past behavior, I don't trust them. 

Why should I believe anything EAware says after all the distortion and omission and deceits they've already engaged in? 

Past behavior? You make it sound that they owe you something.  And if you really believe everything they say is lies, then that means it's not the game they say it is. It's a 5hour fps with hardcore vs mp.  A Space Channel 5 type dance/match game were Shepard and their squad must dance off ageist the reapers and the invading force to dance for the fate of the universe. It's a tetris like puzzle game were you face off harbinger to match the aliens. And So on and so on..... My point....get over it..... They don't need to tell you everything they are doing at once and they can dispel the fears of mp as they see it. If they see a way to dispel the fears of mp without causing a panic with fan, it's no fault for them to use it. Say that what they say is a lie because you don't like how they handle telling us about mp is small minded, especially with no grounds to support your arguments. It's as absurd as bw making ME3 a [i]Space Channel 5 dance game.

They owe us the truth when asked a direct question.   Simple as that.  No more marketing BS, no more corporate doublespeak, no more evasion and lies of omission... 

As for your other silly ideas, no one is saying anything of the sort, there's no comparison.  It's just that "Bioware says" as completely ceased to be viable evidence of anything other than that their mouths or fingers were moving. 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 21 octobre 2011 - 08:29 .

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Right, let not forget the fact that if they told use they werehaving mp but hade no idea how it was going to be months back, this forum would of gone to total war.

I feel it better to have a complete awnser first before awnsering a question that can lead to mass confusing.

I also, find it funny how you can pick and choose what they are saying is a lie or not just to warp your support for your beliefs. Can you even prove that what they are saying about mp is a lie?

I don't know if it's a lie, but based on their past behavior, I don't trust them. 

Why should I believe anything EAware says after all the distortion and omission and deceits they've already engaged in? 

Past behavior? You make it sound that they owe you something.  And if you really believe everything they say is lies, then that means it's not the game they say it is. It's a 5hour fps with hardcore vs mp.  A Space Channel 5 type dance/match game were Shepard and their squad must dance off ageist the reapers and the invading force to dance for the fate of the universe. It's a tetris like puzzle game were you face off harbinger to match the aliens. And So on and so on..... My point....get over it..... They don't need to tell you everything they are doing at once and they can dispel the fears of mp as they see it. If they see a way to dispel the fears of mp without causing a panic with fan, it's no fault for them to use it. Say that what they say is a lie because you don't like how they handle telling us about mp is small minded, especially with no grounds to support your arguments. It's as absurd as bw making ME3 a [i]Space Channel 5 dance game.

They owe us the truth when asked a direct question.   Simple as that.  No more marketing BS, no more corporate doublespeak, no more evasion and lies of omission... 

Welcome to business and marketing....Also, they owe us nothing outside the gratitude of having people buy they game....Which the miss information they told before did not effect since they did finally told the truth way before shipping. Would you rather find out it had mp after you started up the game.

[SimJoseph7]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

But by the way you play it it is a survival mode. Ask your self this...What exact are your goals in the mp co-op and what do you do in the mp? And no, the story goal of getting resourse is not it...Look at it as a strictly gameplay aspect

We're being told, at least, that there are goals to those missions, beyond just fighting a certain number of enemies.

No, that goal is just story based. You just holding that area  and killing things. It's much like a horde mode.

From BioWare, there is a goal, not just "holding and killing things":

The way we have designed co-op as a way to take control of key conflict zones in the galaxy is a natural extension to the premise of Mass Effect 3

Do you understand now or is everyone is wrong and you have the gospel truth only? Maybe their version of Multiplayer is not what you expect it to be.

Joseph

[Killjoy Cutter]

SimJoseph7 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

But by the way you play it it is a survival mode. Ask your self this...What exact are your goals in the mp co-op and what do you do in the mp? And no, the story goal of getting resourse is not it...Look at it as a strictly gameplay aspect

We're being told, at least, that there are goals to those missions, beyond just fighting a certain number of enemies.

No, that goal is just story based. You just holding that area  and killing things. It's much like a horde mode.

From BioWare, there is a goal, not just "holding and killing things":

The way we have designed co-op as a way to take control of key conflict zones in the galaxy is a natural extension to the premise of Mass Effect 3

Do you understand now or is everyone is wrong and you have the gospel truth only? Maybe their version of Multiplayer is not what you expect it to be.

That much is already clear.

[Iakus]

dreman9999 wrote...

iakus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
But then it won't be a mp mode yourplaying.

That's kinda the point.

But at least we wouldn't be penalized for not doing MP

But your not. Time and Time again It's been stated that what ever you get in the mp you can get in the spfor GR. You not being penalized for not doing the mp.

Bioware has always emphasized that the Mass Effect trilogy would be "Shepard's story" and single player focused

Mass Effect 3 is about the galactic war against the Reapers

One of the factors in this war is a "Galactic Readiness" meter

We are told that you can gain enough Galactic Readiness to get the "optimal ending" if you do really well in the single player campaign and do most/all of the quests

You can also gain Galactic Readiness by doing multiplayer.

Therefore:  doing muiltiplayer means you can do not as well in the single player mode, not get optimal results in quests or perhaps skip some entirely, and still max out your readiness level for the "optimal ending"

Single player ME3 players are being penalized.  The only question is how much.

Modifié par iakus, 21 octobre 2011 - 08:33 .