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[dreman9999]

Anarco238 wrote...

look I hate the Idea that multiplayer is dependant on Xbox live because it has costly online privileges for multiplayer however it would be fine if it was not dependant on the fact that we have to give 20 or 50 dollars just to utilize that function; ps3 owners are safe from this hassle however the xbox 360 owners are just geting ****ed in the ass in all the small things like a prop which costs from a dollar to 3 bucks over something that is just so irrelevant

But that happens with every mp. This is an issue with Microsoft, not bioware. They get no take on the online cost with Microsoft.

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Your ability to creative mistranslate and misinterpret to suit your own preconceptions never ceases to amaze and bewilder.

Says the one who ignoresthe fact that mp is optional no matter how many time it's stated

See previous comment.

I'm sorry...Do you want me to post links that have you state that even if bioware states that you can get the proper gp in the sp, you'll still not believe it?

Modifié par dreman9999, 23 octobre 2011 - 06:17 .

[Lumikki]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Your ability to creative mistranslate and misinterpret to suit your own preconceptions never ceases to amaze and bewilder.

Says the one who ignoresthe fact that mp is optional no matter how many time it's stated

See previous comment.

I'm sorry...Do you want me to post links that have you state that even if bioware states that you can get the proper gp in the sp, you'll still not believe it?

Person meaned that you create you own viewpoint to support how you want something to be and refuse to accept that is not only way to see situation. This perception difference creates a lot of argumens, because too much room for interpretation. Meaning people are making way too many assumptions from what they read, just to support how they want something to be.

It's called selective reading, you take only what you want and how you want it and ignore what you don't like. This distort how we see situation so that we see it more our own ways, but because people are different, they can see situation many different ways. Now the issue isn't that people have different viewpoints based they perceptions, but when someone starts invent support for his/her opinion from pure assumptions, it's not so good.

Modifié par Lumikki, 23 octobre 2011 - 10:20 .

[dreman9999]

Lumikki wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Your ability to creative mistranslate and misinterpret to suit your own preconceptions never ceases to amaze and bewilder.

Says the one who ignoresthe fact that mp is optional no matter how many time it's stated

See previous comment.

I'm sorry...Do you want me to post links that have you state that even if bioware states that you can get the proper gp in the sp, you'll still not believe it?

Person meaned that you create you own viewpoint to support how you want something to be and refuse to accept that is not only way to see situation. This perception difference creates a lot of argumens, because too much room for interpretation. Meaning people are making way too many assumptions from what they read, just to support how they want something to be.

It's called selective reading, you take only what you want and how you want it and ignore what you don't like. This distort how we see situation so that we see it more our own ways, but because people are different, they can see situation many different ways. Now the issue isn't that people have different viewpoints based they perceptions, but when someone starts invent support for his/her opinion from pure assumptions, it's not so good.

I understand that. But what I'm doing is not that at all.
 My case based on the previous post is
1. Bioware shown lot sof example of how they treat side missions in the last two ME games. Is their any thing showing that they are changing the way they do side missions to make doing them any more difficult?

2.We already got indication that we have plenty of Side missionsin ME3, with more than one on a planetbecause of the nature of the game story being at war.

My point only would be the case of your statement if any truth or fact is being warped or streached. None of my points are.

[Il Divo]

dreman9999 wrote...

How do you sell something that comes free with the game?
You don't understand that online pass is free with new games and at launch you can only get the game new?
Online pass is just there to deture use game sales, nothing more.

I think his argument is non-sensical, but his point is that EA is attempting to increase the number of online pass sales for MP. If MP makes it significantly easier for players to obtain the best possible ending through Galactic Resources, then even if you had no intention of going multi-player, you now have a reason for purchasing an online pass, because it will impact your SP experience. Of course, his theory relies on the idea that without the online pass, we'll be spending 10+ hours planet-scanning for resources, which I do find hilarious.

Modifié par Il Divo, 23 octobre 2011 - 01:28 .

[dreman9999]

Il Divo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

How do you sell something that comes free with the game?
You don't understand that online pass is free with new games and at launch you can only get the game new?
Online pass is just there to deture use game sales, nothing more.

I think his argument is non-sensical, but his point is that EA is attempting to increase the number of online pass sales for MP. If MP makes it significantly easier for players to obtain the best possible ending through Galactic Resources, then even if you had no intention of going multi-player, you now have a reason for purchasing an online pass, because it will impact your SP experience. Of course, his theory relies on the idea that without the online pass, we'll be spending 10+ hours planet-scanning for resources, which I do find hilarious.

Again, how do you sell something that's free?
How do you sell something that charges people who by the game used if their no used games at launch?

The very fact that it's free with new games show thay are not trying to stell online pass. They just want tosell as many full cost games as possible. Also, their is no indication that getting GR inthe mp is easier than the sp.

Modifié par dreman9999, 23 octobre 2011 - 01:40 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Again, howdo you sell something that's free?
How do you sell something that charges people who by the game used if their no used games at launch?

The very fact that it's free with new games show thay are not trying to stell online pass. They just want tosell as many full cost games as possible. Also, their is no indication that getting GR inthe mp is easier than the sp.

The used game market represents a significant volume.  They're hoping to sell Online Pass to the eventual buyers of USED copies ME3 in the future.  EA is looking beyond launch day.

If MP provides an alternate means of grinding GR, then it makes getting sufficient GR easier, by simple math -- in a way that is not available to anyone who plays the ME series for a good SP experience.

[Il Divo]

dreman9999 wrote...

Again, how do you sell something that's free?
How do you sell something that charges people who by the game used if their no used games at launch?

The very fact that it's free with new games show thay are not trying to stell online pass. They just want tosell as many full cost games as possible.

But the goal, as stated, is to target the used game market. If a player doesn't want multi-player, they're not going to spring for an online pass. But if the SP involves substantially more grinding without the pass, which has not even been confirmed, Gatt's "theory" says that more players will spring for online passes in used game sales. The goal isn't to hit new game sales, but used game sales.

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Again, howdo you sell something that's free?
How do you sell something that charges people who by the game used if their no used games at launch?

The very fact that it's free with new games show thay are not trying to stell online pass. They just want tosell as many full cost games as possible. Also, their is no indication that getting GR inthe mp is easier than the sp.

The used game market represents a significant volume.  They're hoping to sell Online Pass to the eventual buyers of USED copies ME3 in the future.  EA is looking beyond launch day.

If MP provides an alternate means of grinding GR, then it makes getting sufficient GR easier, by simple math -- in a way that is not available to anyone who plays the ME series for a good SP experience.

But at lanch how much used copies are there to sell? And even after getting used game the differace between a used new relase and a new game.
In short, who is cheating who?
The used game market is not a pc players consern, and the used game buyer are not pay EA, why do they need to worry about how use game buyers feel.

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

But at lanch

You're the only one fixated on "at lanch".

[Blazenor]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Again, howdo you sell something that's free?
How do you sell something that charges people who by the game used if their no used games at launch?

The very fact that it's free with new games show thay are not trying to stell online pass. They just want tosell as many full cost games as possible. Also, their is no indication that getting GR inthe mp is easier than the sp.

The used game market represents a significant volume.  They're hoping to sell Online Pass to the eventual buyers of USED copies ME3 in the future.  EA is looking beyond launch day.

If MP provides an alternate means of grinding GR, then it makes getting sufficient GR easier, by simple math -- in a way that is not available to anyone who plays the ME series for a good SP experience.

But at lanch how much used copies are there to sell? And even after getting used game the differace between a used new relase and a new game.
In short, who is cheating who?
The used game market is not a pc players consern, and the used game buyer are not pay EA, why do they need to worry about how use game buyers feel.

Used games undercut the new game sells, games sold at launch are by gamers who would buy the game new day 1 or day 365, but those gamers are outumber by those who buy games used for one or two reasons:

1. The can return the used game within 7 days
2. The lower price

[dreman9999]

Il Divo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Again, how do you sell something that's free?
How do you sell something that charges people who by the game used if their no used games at launch?

The very fact that it's free with new games show thay are not trying to stell online pass. They just want tosell as many full cost games as possible.

But the goal, as stated, is to target the used game market. If a player doesn't want multi-player, they're not going to spring for an online pass. But if the SP involves substantially more grinding without the pass, which has not even been confirmed, Gatt's "theory" says that more players will spring for online passes in used game sales. The goal isn't to hit new game sales, but used game sales.

1. That's an issue with galexy at war, not mp.If  you cut mp, you still have to do that grind to get GR points anyway.
2. We also don't know the conditions need to getthe right amount of GR point. Nor do we know how easy or hard it is the get it inthesp and mp. The only difference so far is that the mp is queued and the sp side missios have to be found.

In short, It's not an issue if youcan get it in the sp and it'snot difficult to get it in the sp.

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

But at lanch

You're the only one fixated on "at lanch".

And months after launch is also not an issue because the price of the game is cut. ME2 was cut to $30  3 months after launch.

Modifié par dreman9999, 23 octobre 2011 - 04:53 .

[Il Divo]

dreman9999 wrote...

1. That's an issue with galexy at war, not mp.If  you cut mp, you still have to do that grind to get GR points anyway.
2. We also don't know the conditions need to getthe right amount of GR point. Nor do we know how easy or hard it is the get it inthesp and mp. The only difference so far is that the mp is queued and the sp side missios have to be found.

I recommend you go back and read your posts. You were asking the relevance of Gatt's argument.

1) It's an issue of MP affecting used sales, since people will be more likely to spring for an online pass, if it makes SP content easier to experience. That's the entire basis for his position. If MP doesn't affect SP, then there exist more players who would have no need for it, if they just want the SP.

2) I am already aware of that. I was explaining to you Gatt's argument.

Modifié par Il Divo, 23 octobre 2011 - 04:49 .

[dreman9999]

Il Divo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. That's an issue with galexy at war, not mp.If  you cut mp, you still have to do that grind to get GR points anyway.
2. We also don't know the conditions need to getthe right amount of GR point. Nor do we know how easy or hard it is the get it inthesp and mp. The only difference so far is that the mp is queued and the sp side missios have to be found.

I recommend you go back and read your posts. You were asking the relevance of Gatt's argument.

1) It's an issue of MP affecting used sales, since people will be more likely to spring for an online pass, if it makes SP content easier to experience.

2) I am already aware of that. I was explaining to you Gatt's argument.

1. But we do not know if it make it easier or getting GRpoint is so difficultto get that peopleare forced to play the mp. Meaning worring about that is mute.
2. My second point is keyed to first one as well.

[Il Divo]

dreman9999 wrote...

1. But we do not know if it make it easier or getting GRpoint is so difficultto get that peopleare forced to play the mp. Meaning worring about that is mute.
2. My second point is keyed to first one as well.

"How do you sell something that comes free with the game?
You don't understand that online pass is free with new games and at launch you can only get the game new?"

You asked how this works. I was merely explaining the framework. It's not about "new game" sales, but about used game sales post-launch. If his theory will actually work, is another question entirely.

I however would argue that now, if ever, is the perfect time to worry. Worrying now at least means Bioware is reading the general mind sets of these posts, as opposed to post-launch, after everything is in place.

[dreman9999]

Il Divo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. But we do not know if it make it easier or getting GRpoint is so difficultto get that peopleare forced to play the mp. Meaning worring about that is mute.
2. My second point is keyed to first one as well.

"How do you sell something that comes free with the game?
You don't understand that online pass is free with new games and at launch you can only get the game new?"

You asked how this works. I was merely explaining the framework. It's not about "new game" sales, but about used game sales post-launch. If his theory will actually work, is another question entirely.

I however would argue that now, if ever, is the perfect time to worry. Worrying now at least means Bioware is reading the general mind sets of these posts, as opposed to post-launch, after everything is in place.

Your not understanding that I understand it's to charge used games buyers. In fact I made that point first some post ago. What your not looking into the fact that how use gamers feel is a non -issue. BW/EA are trying to make a profit and with the gamers who do pay them directly how they feel is an non-issuse.  Used game players can wait for a price cut or buy it new, or preorder it and use their old games to defer the cost.(I cut ME2 down to $20 at lauch with old game trade in's alone.) With PC games it'sa non-issue because of activation codes. And the final factor is that we don't know how difficult it is to get gr points in the sp yet or if itso difficult that people have to use mp or IF MP is easierto get  GR points then the sp.

If itcome to a point that the cummunity hates GR point balanceso much, BW can just relase an update that rebalances the points. 

Modifié par dreman9999, 23 octobre 2011 - 05:18 .

[Iakus]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

You are not making sense. According to Bioware, the MP team are new hires, and that nobody from the SP level building team got involved, but for some reason you think that more = less?

Because everything made by both teams have to share the same disks.  However much content is developed, there is a limited amount of space to put it on.  So if room has to be made, do you really think they'll cut a mission from the "new and shiny" feature?

Unless of course, mp is on a separate disk, which would be great but I somhow doubt it.

[dreman9999]

iakus wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

You are not making sense. According to Bioware, the MP team are new hires, and that nobody from the SP level building team got involved, but for some reason you think that more = less?

Because everything made by both teams have to share the same disks.  However much content is developed, there is a limited amount of space to put it on.  So if room has to be made, do you really think they'll cut a mission from the "new and shiny" feature?

Unless of course, mp is on a separate disk, which would be great but I somhow doubt it.

Oh, yah....It's not like ME2 was on 2 disks or anything?

[Iakus]

dreman9999 wrote...

iakus wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

You are not making sense. According to Bioware, the MP team are new hires, and that nobody from the SP level building team got involved, but for some reason you think that more = less?

Because everything made by both teams have to share the same disks.  However much content is developed, there is a limited amount of space to put it on.  So if room has to be made, do you really think they'll cut a mission from the "new and shiny" feature?

Unless of course, mp is on a separate disk, which would be great but I somhow doubt it.

Oh, yah....It's not like ME2 was on 2 disks or anything?

So?  That's how much room a single player campaign required.  If they tried to squeeze a mp system into ME2 onthe same two disks, what would have happened?

[dreman9999]

iakus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

iakus wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

You are not making sense. According to Bioware, the MP team are new hires, and that nobody from the SP level building team got involved, but for some reason you think that more = less?

Because everything made by both teams have to share the same disks.  However much content is developed, there is a limited amount of space to put it on.  So if room has to be made, do you really think they'll cut a mission from the "new and shiny" feature?

Unless of course, mp is on a separate disk, which would be great but I somhow doubt it.

Oh, yah....It's not like ME2 was on 2 disks or anything?

So?  That's how much room a single player campaign required.  If they tried to squeeze a mp system into ME2 onthe same two disks, what would have happened?

Like they can't put out a game today that's on 3 disk?(Looks at Rage)

[Iakus]

dreman9999 wrote..

Like they can't put out a game today that's on 3 disk?(Looks at Rage)

Yes it can be done.  But it doesn't happen too often.  I suspect it's because of a cost factor in there.

So if there's a separate disk labeled "multiplayer" I can be pretty sure that the single player game did not become a victim of cost-cutting to shoehorn in MP.  If it's all on one disk (or two, or three) there will be doubt.

Modifié par iakus, 23 octobre 2011 - 05:44 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

iakus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

iakus wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

You are not making sense. According to Bioware, the MP team are new hires, and that nobody from the SP level building team got involved, but for some reason you think that more = less?

Because everything made by both teams have to share the same disks.  However much content is developed, there is a limited amount of space to put it on.  So if room has to be made, do you really think they'll cut a mission from the "new and shiny" feature?

Unless of course, mp is on a separate disk, which would be great but I somhow doubt it.

Oh, yah....It's not like ME2 was on 2 disks or anything?

So?  That's how much room a single player campaign required.  If they tried to squeeze a mp system into ME2 onthe same two disks, what would have happened?

Remember when Bioware told us that content didn't suffer to get all of DA2 onto a smaller install footprint? 

[dreman9999]

iakus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote..

Like they can't put out a game today that's on 3 disk?(Looks at Rage)

Yes it can be done.  But it doesn't happen too often.  I suspect it's because of a cost factor in there.

So if there's a separate disk labeled "multiplayer" I can be pretty sure that the single player game did not become a victim of cost-cutting to shoehorn in MP.  If it's all on one disk (or two, or three) there will be doubt.

But it doesn't happen because of cost. It happens because of the size of the game. Rage is still $60 to by new with 3 disk, pc gamers can digially download the game,  ps3 games get's it on one disk, only xbox users need to worry. And it still the same cost as games on one disk.
In short,space is not an issue.

Modifié par dreman9999, 23 octobre 2011 - 06:51 .

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

iakus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

iakus wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

You are not making sense. According to Bioware, the MP team are new hires, and that nobody from the SP level building team got involved, but for some reason you think that more = less?

Because everything made by both teams have to share the same disks.  However much content is developed, there is a limited amount of space to put it on.  So if room has to be made, do you really think they'll cut a mission from the "new and shiny" feature?

Unless of course, mp is on a separate disk, which would be great but I somhow doubt it.

Oh, yah....It's not like ME2 was on 2 disks or anything?

So?  That's how much room a single player campaign required.  If they tried to squeeze a mp system into ME2 onthe same two disks, what would have happened?

Remember when Bioware told us that content didn't suffer to get all of DA2 onto a smaller install footprint? 

Oh, right. You also, forgot thatME2 was on 2 disk as well.