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[dreman9999]

Vegos wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Vegos wrote...

Of course it matters. I want to HAVE TO do it the hard way.

So then do it the hard way.  Surely you can exercise that modicum of self-control? 

Do us both a favor and read what I wrote again. Maybe you'll see just how badly you missed the point there.

It's understood. The flat point is that you can't have both ways and your issues is groundless. If it's about doing it the hard way, then have a playthrough sp only and have a playthrough with mp... If it urgency, their are billions of other things in the game that does that already stright off the bat. If it's coveniance, getting 100% GR points via mp doesn't stop you from playing the side missions.

[dreman9999]

Vegos wrote...

And it you do gain it in the mp, what is stopping you from getting it in the sp? Does the game stop you from playing the side missions if you get the proper ammout of GR points?

No, but suddenly those side missions don't have that sense of urgency on the saving the galaxy note. They become leisure activities at that point. And I don't want that.

And no, that human does not understand. Nor do you, for that matter.

Then don't play the mp....On that spacific playthrough. Also, it's a game...It's always going to be a leisure activity.

[Vegos]

Then don't play the mp....On that spacific playthrough. Also, it's a game...It's always going to be a leisure activity.

"Then don't play the MP, just shaft your friends who wanted to enjoy some time with you."

Yes, that's exactly the problem I was talking about.

Wouldn't it simply be easier to give me a box I could tick off, saying "No bonuses from MP carry over" instead?

Modifié par Vegos, 28 octobre 2011 - 05:43 .

[dreman9999]

Vegos wrote...

Then don't play the mp....On that spacific playthrough. Also, it's a game...It's always going to be a leisure activity.

"Then don't play the MP, just shaft your friends who wanted to enjoy some time with you."

Yes, that's exactly the problem I was talking about.

Wouldn't it simply be easier to give me a box I could tick off, saying "No bonuses from MP carry over" instead?

You did clearly read.....Don't play mp on the play through you don't want to get resources from. AKA, make a new playthrough to play mp.

[Vegos]

You did clearly read.....Don't play mp on the play through you don't want to get resources from. AKA, make a new playthrough to play mp.

I wonder where you got that information, that it's separated by playthrough, and not affecting all the different careers you may be running. Nothing in the FAQ.

Note, this was all for the sake of the argument, I'm still in the "This is a bad idea" camp.

[dreman9999]

Vegos wrote...

You did clearly read.....Don't play mp on the play through you don't want to get resources from. AKA, make a new playthrough to play mp.

I wonder where you got that information, that it's separated by playthrough, and not affecting all the different careers you may be running. Nothing in the FAQ.

Note, this was all for the sake of the argument, I'm still in the "This is a bad idea" camp.

It would make it pointless to try and make the mp seperate from the Sp if once you get 100% of the GP need to in the sp in the mp if it can be carried over to all playthroughs....That would break the game. It''s an obvious assumtion that the mp will be per playthrough.

[GiarcYekrub]

As long as they follow Dead Space 2's example and have zero achievements related to multiplayer I think I can let this slide if it doesn't impact the story

[Shermos]

It does impact the story, but if you don't wish to play the multiplayer section, it won't make any difference to how things turn out. That's the intention anyway. In other words, Bioware are trying to meet the wants of those who want MP and those who just want to SP. Sounds fair enough to me.

[The_11thDoctor]

Why aren't all races available? No Geth, Quarian, Volus, Elcor or Hannar? I know Hannar would be pushing it, but the others should be in the final game no?

[shengar]

Sorry for barging in trough the discussion.
IMHO, the multiplayer actually looks promising. Fighting relentless wave of enemies in ME universe sound fun. That what it looks like however. There is still some thing that keep me worried though: If the ME3 become too over dependent on the multiplayer (meaning that you have to play it for you to make it out alive in SP) and SP story become somewhat weak because focuses on the multiplayer. I hope Bioware can prove me wrong on those two points.

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Says the one that blatantly ignores stated facts.

LoL @ marketing double-speak as "facts". 

Never mind that you still don't begin grasp even one of the actual objections that people have to the MP as it has been tacked on, and reject out-of-hand all suggestions as to how those objections could be addressed. 

You're the same Bioware sycophant who vehemently rejects even the concept of the option of AI bots and offline play for the added multiplayer content, and keeps insisting that the multiplayer and side-mission content is identical. 

You have absolutely no room and no standing to talk about "not getting it". 

1. I'm not ageinst bots.

2. I'm looking more at what people are asking for and truely seeing what they get if theyget what they want. Playing a  co-op horde mode alone with bot's makes the game no longer a co-op game, it makes it a survival mode. Playing the game with bots make the chances of beating the mode worse because you working with bots with very limited intelligents. If you want the bots and the horde mode expriance....Just ask for it based on the sp where they already have a proper system in place.

3. The issuse in hand is how the mp will effect the sp. And it mute, why? Because you can get EVERYTHING YOU GET AS A REWARD FROM THE MP IN THE SP. You don't get anything extra from doing the mp that you will also get from the sp...NOTHING!!!!!
So if anyone is worried about the mp effecting their game.....DON'T PLAY THE MP!!!!!!!

The system as described by Bioware removes any possibility of the MP not affecting the SP.  To think otherwise is to ignore the basics of game design while wearing super-thick fanboy glasses.   Once it CAN affect SP, then it ALWAYS affects the design of the SP game.  Whether or not someone plays the MP is absolutely irrelevent to whether the inclusion of MP affects the SP campaign.

And Bioware's marketing blather that it won't is meaningless.

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Says the one that blatantly ignores stated facts.

LoL @ marketing double-speak as "facts". 

Never mind that you still don't begin grasp even one of the actual objections that people have to the MP as it has been tacked on, and reject out-of-hand all suggestions as to how those objections could be addressed. 

You're the same Bioware sycophant who vehemently rejects even the concept of the option of AI bots and offline play for the added multiplayer content, and keeps insisting that the multiplayer and side-mission content is identical. 

You have absolutely no room and no standing to talk about "not getting it". 

1. I'm not ageinst bots.

2. I'm looking more at what people are asking for and truely seeing what they get if theyget what they want. Playing a  co-op horde mode alone with bot's makes the game no longer a co-op game, it makes it a survival mode. Playing the game with bots make the chances of beating the mode worse because you working with bots with very limited intelligents. If you want the bots and the horde mode expriance....Just ask for it based on the sp where they already have a proper system in place.

3. The issuse in hand is how the mp will effect the sp. And it mute, why? Because you can get EVERYTHING YOU GET AS A REWARD FROM THE MP IN THE SP. You don't get anything extra from doing the mp that you will also get from the sp...NOTHING!!!!!
So if anyone is worried about the mp effecting their game.....DON'T PLAY THE MP!!!!!!!

The system as described by Bioware removes any possibility of the MP not affecting the SP.  To think otherwise is to ignore the basics of game design while wearing super-thick fanboy glasses.   Once it CAN affect SP, then it ALWAYS affects the design of the SP game.  Whether or not someone plays the MP is absolutely irrelevent to whether the inclusion of MP affects the SP campaign.

And Bioware's marketing blather that it won't is meaningless.

Ok, then......For you togetthe awnser for this.....I need for you to do some home work.......Read my 2nd point, then my 3th point. If you still don't understand....Read them again....And if you still feel upset....Read the last word for my 3th point.....

Modifié par dreman9999, 28 octobre 2011 - 02:40 .

[Vegos]

dreman9999 wrote...

Vegos wrote...

You did clearly read.....Don't play mp on the play through you don't want to get resources from. AKA, make a new playthrough to play mp.

I wonder where you got that information, that it's separated by playthrough, and not affecting all the different careers you may be running. Nothing in the FAQ.

Note, this was all for the sake of the argument, I'm still in the "This is a bad idea" camp.

It would make it pointless to try and make the mp seperate from the Sp if once you get 100% of the GP need to in the sp in the mp if it can be carried over to all playthroughs....That would break the game. It''s an obvious assumtion that the mp will be per playthrough.

So, assumptions are okay as long as you're the one making them?

[Nashiktal]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Says the one that blatantly ignores stated facts.

LoL @ marketing double-speak as "facts". 

Never mind that you still don't begin grasp even one of the actual objections that people have to the MP as it has been tacked on, and reject out-of-hand all suggestions as to how those objections could be addressed. 

You're the same Bioware sycophant who vehemently rejects even the concept of the option of AI bots and offline play for the added multiplayer content, and keeps insisting that the multiplayer and side-mission content is identical. 

You have absolutely no room and no standing to talk about "not getting it". 

1. I'm not ageinst bots.

2. I'm looking more at what people are asking for and truely seeing what they get if theyget what they want. Playing a  co-op horde mode alone with bot's makes the game no longer a co-op game, it makes it a survival mode. Playing the game with bots make the chances of beating the mode worse because you working with bots with very limited intelligents. If you want the bots and the horde mode expriance....Just ask for it based on the sp where they already have a proper system in place.

3. The issuse in hand is how the mp will effect the sp. And it mute, why? Because you can get EVERYTHING YOU GET AS A REWARD FROM THE MP IN THE SP. You don't get anything extra from doing the mp that you will also get from the sp...NOTHING!!!!!
So if anyone is worried about the mp effecting their game.....DON'T PLAY THE MP!!!!!!!

The system as described by Bioware removes any possibility of the MP not affecting the SP.  To think otherwise is to ignore the basics of game design while wearing super-thick fanboy glasses.   Once it CAN affect SP, then it ALWAYS affects the design of the SP game.  Whether or not someone plays the MP is absolutely irrelevent to whether the inclusion of MP affects the SP campaign.

And Bioware's marketing blather that it won't is meaningless.

Ok, then......For you togetthe awnser for this.....I need for you to do some home work.......Read my 2nd point, then my 3th point. If you still don't understand....Read them again....And if you still feel upset....Read the last word for my 3th point.....

Ease up on the ellipses man, makes you seem unsure of yourself.

[dreman9999]

Vegos wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Vegos wrote...

You did clearly read.....Don't play mp on the play through you don't want to get resources from. AKA, make a new playthrough to play mp.

I wonder where you got that information, that it's separated by playthrough, and not affecting all the different careers you may be running. Nothing in the FAQ.

Note, this was all for the sake of the argument, I'm still in the "This is a bad idea" camp.

It would make it pointless to try and make the mp seperate from the Sp if once you get 100% of the GP need to in the sp in the mp if it can be carried over to all playthroughs....That would break the game. It''s an obvious assumtion that the mp will be per playthrough.

So, assumptions are okay as long as you're the one making them?

Assumtion are ok as long as you have some grounds to back it up. The thing is, unless they have a system that releasves the resoure to the point of nothing, giving the player the option to which playthrough they want the resourses in, not making the mp system per playthrough would be dumb.

Modifié par dreman9999, 28 octobre 2011 - 03:02 .

[dreman9999]

Nashiktal wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Says the one that blatantly ignores stated facts.

LoL @ marketing double-speak as "facts". 

Never mind that you still don't begin grasp even one of the actual objections that people have to the MP as it has been tacked on, and reject out-of-hand all suggestions as to how those objections could be addressed. 

You're the same Bioware sycophant who vehemently rejects even the concept of the option of AI bots and offline play for the added multiplayer content, and keeps insisting that the multiplayer and side-mission content is identical. 

You have absolutely no room and no standing to talk about "not getting it". 

1. I'm not ageinst bots.

2. I'm looking more at what people are asking for and truely seeing what they get if theyget what they want. Playing a  co-op horde mode alone with bot's makes the game no longer a co-op game, it makes it a survival mode. Playing the game with bots make the chances of beating the mode worse because you working with bots with very limited intelligents. If you want the bots and the horde mode expriance....Just ask for it based on the sp where they already have a proper system in place.

3. The issuse in hand is how the mp will effect the sp. And it mute, why? Because you can get EVERYTHING YOU GET AS A REWARD FROM THE MP IN THE SP. You don't get anything extra from doing the mp that you will also get from the sp...NOTHING!!!!!
So if anyone is worried about the mp effecting their game.....DON'T PLAY THE MP!!!!!!!

The system as described by Bioware removes any possibility of the MP not affecting the SP.  To think otherwise is to ignore the basics of game design while wearing super-thick fanboy glasses.   Once it CAN affect SP, then it ALWAYS affects the design of the SP game.  Whether or not someone plays the MP is absolutely irrelevent to whether the inclusion of MP affects the SP campaign.

And Bioware's marketing blather that it won't is meaningless.

Ok, then......For you togetthe awnser for this.....I need for you to do some home work.......Read my 2nd point, then my 3th point. If you still don't understand....Read them again....And if you still feel upset....Read the last word for my 3th point.....

Ease up on the ellipses man, makes you seem unsure of yourself.

...... How do you make yourself seem unsure via typing.
 I just use it for pauses.

[Vegos]

Assumtion are ok as long as you have some grounds to back it up. The thing is, unless they have a system that releasves the resoure to the point of nothing, giving the player the option to which playthrough they want the resourses in, not making the mp system per playthrough would be dumb.

So your "ground for backing it" is that you think it would be dumb if it happened in any other way.

Sorry but that looks a little shoddy to me.

[dreman9999]

Vegos wrote...

Assumtion are ok as long as you have some grounds to back it up. The thing is, unless they have a system that releasves the resoure to the point of nothing, giving the player the option to which playthrough they want the resourses in, not making the mp system per playthrough would be dumb.

So your "ground for backing it" is that you think it would be dumb if it happened in any other way.

Sorry but that looks a little shoddy to me.

So your saying it would be a good Idea to make the GR point universal to each play through and bioware won't seethe fault in it?

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Says the one that blatantly ignores stated facts.

LoL @ marketing double-speak as "facts". 

Never mind that you still don't begin grasp even one of the actual objections that people have to the MP as it has been tacked on, and reject out-of-hand all suggestions as to how those objections could be addressed. 

You're the same Bioware sycophant who vehemently rejects even the concept of the option of AI bots and offline play for the added multiplayer content, and keeps insisting that the multiplayer and side-mission content is identical. 

You have absolutely no room and no standing to talk about "not getting it". 

1. I'm not ageinst bots.

2. I'm looking more at what people are asking for and truely seeing what they get if theyget what they want. Playing a  co-op horde mode alone with bot's makes the game no longer a co-op game, it makes it a survival mode. Playing the game with bots make the chances of beating the mode worse because you working with bots with very limited intelligents. If you want the bots and the horde mode expriance....Just ask for it based on the sp where they already have a proper system in place.

3. The issuse in hand is how the mp will effect the sp. And it mute, why? Because you can get EVERYTHING YOU GET AS A REWARD FROM THE MP IN THE SP. You don't get anything extra from doing the mp that you will also get from the sp...NOTHING!!!!!
So if anyone is worried about the mp effecting their game.....DON'T PLAY THE MP!!!!!!!

The system as described by Bioware removes any possibility of the MP not affecting the SP.  To think otherwise is to ignore the basics of game design while wearing super-thick fanboy glasses.   Once it CAN affect SP, then it ALWAYS affects the design of the SP game.  Whether or not someone plays the MP is absolutely irrelevent to whether the inclusion of MP affects the SP campaign.

And Bioware's marketing blather that it won't is meaningless.

Ok, then......For you togetthe awnser for this.....I need for you to do some home work.......Read my 2nd point, then my 3th point. If you still don't understand....Read them again....And if you still feel upset....Read the last word for my 3th point.....

I have the answer.  Your inability to understand the English language does not translate into anyone else needing to re-read your posts -- you're just wrong.

[Vegos]

So your saying it would be a good Idea to make the GR point universal to each play through and bioware won't seethe fault in it?

No, I'm saying you're being cheap and unprincipled.

[dreman9999]

Vegos wrote...

So your saying it would be a good Idea to make the GR point universal to each play through and bioware won't seethe fault in it?

No, I'm saying you're being cheap and unprincipled.

How? By not agreeing with you? No agreeing with you is not acting unprincipled. Acting unprincipled would mean I would be verbally assaulting you and insulting you. I have not done that.....Yet.:innocent:

[spirosz]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...



I have the answer.  Your inability to understand the English language does not translate into anyone else needing to re-read your posts -- you're just wrong.

Someone having a different opinion is considered wrong?

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Says the one that blatantly ignores stated facts.

LoL @ marketing double-speak as "facts". 

Never mind that you still don't begin grasp even one of the actual objections that people have to the MP as it has been tacked on, and reject out-of-hand all suggestions as to how those objections could be addressed. 

You're the same Bioware sycophant who vehemently rejects even the concept of the option of AI bots and offline play for the added multiplayer content, and keeps insisting that the multiplayer and side-mission content is identical. 

You have absolutely no room and no standing to talk about "not getting it". 

1. I'm not ageinst bots.

2. I'm looking more at what people are asking for and truely seeing what they get if they get what they want. Playing a  co-op horde mode alone with bot's makes the game no longer a co-op game, it makes it a survival mode. Playing the game with bots make the chances of beating the mode worse because you working with bots with very limited intelligences. If you want the bots and the horde mode experience....Just ask for it based on the sp where they already have a proper system in place.

3. The issues in hand is how the mp will effect the sp. And it mute, why? Because you can get EVERYTHING YOU GET AS A REWARD FROM THE MP IN THE SP. You don't get anything extra from doing the mp that you will also get from the sp...NOTHING!!!!!
So if anyone is worried about the mp effecting their game.....DON'T PLAY THE MP!!!!!!!

The system as described by Bioware removes any possibility of the MP not affecting the SP.  To think otherwise is to ignore the basics of game design while wearing super-thick fanboy glasses.   Once it CAN affect SP, then it ALWAYS affects the design of the SP game.  Whether or not someone plays the MP is absolutely irrelevent to whether the inclusion of MP affects the SP campaign.

And Bioware's marketing blather that it won't is meaningless.

Ok, then......For you togetthe awnser for this.....I need for you to do some home work.......Read my 2nd point, then my 3th point. If you still don't understand....Read them again....And if you still feel upset....Read the last word for my 3th point.....

I have the answer.  Your inability to understand the English language does not translate into anyone else needing to re-read your posts -- you're just wrong.

I don't even have to make a full comment to answer this.(Heck, you don't even us an argument to even try to prove me wrong) The point is:

2. I'm looking more at what people are asking for and truly seeing what
they get if they get what they want. Playing a  co-op horde mode alone
with bot's makes the game no longer a co-op game, it makes it a survival
mode. Playing the game with bots make the chances of beating the mode
worse because you working with bots with very limited intelligences. If
you want the bots and the horde mode experience....Just ask for it based
on the sp where they already have a proper system in place.

3.
The issues in hand is how the mp will effect the sp. And it mute, why?
Because you can get EVERYTHING YOU GET AS A REWARD FROM THE MP IN THE
SP. You don't get anything extra from doing the mp that you will also
get from the sp...NOTHING!!!!!
So if anyone is worried about the mp effecting their game.....DON'T PLAY THE MP!!!!!!!

If you can't understand that then.....It's clear your not thinking logical.

[Vegos]

How? By not agreeing with you? No agreeing with you is not acting unprincipled. Acting unprincipled would mean I would be verbally assaulting you and insulting you. I have not done that.....Yet.:innocent:

Of course not agreeing with me has nothing to do with you being unprincipled, that's common sense.

But, then, I suppose that means I likely have a different reason to say so, now doesn't it? I've actually mentioned before. It's the fact how you are so quick to forget all your talk about "facts" and go with an assumpion you "back up" by basically saying "I think it would be dumb otherwise" if it benefits you.

If you're so hot on facts, give me fact. But fact is, there is no information just how many running SP campaigns the MP will affect. You pulled that one out of thin air, and now you're trying to weasel-word your way out of the corner you talked yourself into.

THAT is cheap. THAT is unprincipled.

Modifié par Vegos, 28 octobre 2011 - 03:48 .

[Fenderbaum]

it appears that doing certain extra things like playing co-op, participating in a social game, or other similar things can effect what happens during the ending sequences of Mass Effect 3 much like doing the loyalty missions in Mass Effect 2 effected the ending of that game.

http://www.co-optimu...mpressions.html

Mass Effect/Bioware posted that on Facebook....so...are the haters still going to believe what Casey says?

Modifié par Fenderbaum, 28 octobre 2011 - 03:52 .