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[Bogsnot1]

Melchiah109 wrote...

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

Melchiah109 wrote...
@Robhuzz

It was probably something to do with Sandboxie.

He mentioned FAT32 vs NTFS disc formatting/partitions. I'm not sure that would prevent scanning of other drives. Might prevent peeking into other partitions but should be verified first.

Hm...I'm not too sure about that one.

The initial idea was to create a dual-boot system, with the different file format on the Origin-infected drive. Unfortunately I was in the middle of a 30+ hour insomnia streak when I posted that initial thought, so it wasnt full formed. Ive since managed to get a decent nights sleep, and realised that as long as the OS is capable of reading an NTFS partition, then it doesnt matter if I have a dual-boot.
I could set up severely limited access, but it would be far easier, and less hassle, just to do it via user accounts.

I have now decided to try a a different approach of using a Virtual Machine to completely isolate Origin to the point that even if they did require full admin rights for it to run, it still would not be able to access anything outside of he VM. I'll be posting my findings in the Off-topic forums thread on Origin.

Janus Prospero wrote...
I thought EA softened up the EULA because people were complaining so much about it

EA changes Origin EULA

...EULA snip...

Is this really any different than what Steam does? Even Bioware was able to pull player statistics from ME2 for development and marketing reasons.

Its no different to Steam, except for the actual context. For example;
Steam: We're going to rummage through your system to detect anythign that may be a cheat, or otherwise give you an unfair advantage in multiplayer games. 
Obscure on what they are doing, very clear on why they are doing it. Also note they have thrown in a MAY, just to give themselves open slather to look at any process, for any reason.

Origin: We're going to look at all your hardware, software, software usage, data, connectivity and anything else we can think of.
Very clear on what they are doing, very obscure on why they are doing it.

If you take note of the settings in ME2 (Options -> Settings -> Online) there was a setting for "Upload gameplay feedback" which is what Bioware would have used for player statistics. You were able to switch that off if you so desired.


Now that the question has been asked, and answered, I wouldnt be surprised if this thread goes the way of its predecessor and gets closed for not being directly ME3 related.
Feel free to join in the discussion in the Off-Topic forum thread, located here.

[BounceDK]

More power to Origin! We NEED the competition at this point in time, otherwise friggin' Steam will take over the world.

[Epic Legion]

BounceDK wrote...

More power to Origin! We NEED the competition at this point in time, otherwise friggin' Steam will take over the world.

I don't think I have anything against Valve taking over the world. Better that than Activision/ZeniMax/YouKnowWho evil corporations.

[BounceDK]

Epic Legion wrote...

BounceDK wrote...

More power to Origin! We NEED the competition at this point in time, otherwise friggin' Steam will take over the world.

I don't think I have anything against Valve taking over the world. Better that than Activision/ZeniMax/YouKnowWho evil corporations.

My point exactly. Friggin steam fangirls everywhere you look.

[Gabey5]

BounceDK wrote...

More power to Origin! We NEED the competition at this point in time, otherwise friggin' Steam will take over the world.

steam does not scan my computer and go through my files and internet history, origin does

Modifié par Gabey5, 16 octobre 2011 - 11:07 .

[elitecom]

Reptillius wrote...
What your argueing here with the dependancy to authentication servers causes me to point out that it's standard practice in the industry to do a final patch which the games tend to look for themselves to shut off the authentication needs.  Some even stop requiring disk Authentications... I point to what they did to NWN as one example of this standard practice. but there are plenty of others as well.

What I'm arguing for here is how tacked on and unecessary Origin is. It's great that things went well with NWN, it nevertheless doesn't change that me and anyone else buying ME3 will be dependent on EA's servers to play a singleplayer game. 

I wish EA could learn from ME1. It should be easier to play games nowadays, instead it's more complicated than ever before.  

[BounceDK]

Gabey5 wrote...

BounceDK wrote...

More power to Origin! We NEED the competition at this point in time, otherwise friggin' Steam will take over the world.

steam does not scan my computer and go through my files and internet history, origin does

Sure thing buddy, whatever you say.

[BlaCKRodjj]

Gabey5 wrote...

BounceDK wrote...

More power to Origin! We NEED the competition at this point in time, otherwise friggin' Steam will take over the world.

steam does not scan my computer and go through my files and internet history, origin does

Tecnically, steam does scan your computer, but you can cop-out of that one, and still you can choose not to do it. For Origin is "Install it or destroy it"

[N0-Future]

Im happy to let EA  / Bioware scan my system as long as I can scan theirs... If they have nothing to hide they have nothing to worry about, Right?

Modifié par N0-Future, 16 octobre 2011 - 03:21 .

[CAPSLOCK FURY]

Gabey5 wrote...

BounceDK wrote...

More power to Origin! We NEED the competition at this point in time, otherwise friggin' Steam will take over the world.

steam does not scan my computer and go through my files and internet history, origin does

Uh, you need to read your Valve policies again there, chief.

[IliyaMoroumetz]

Wow, the EA Apologists are out in force, as of late.

Look; I can understand where EA is coming from.  They're a publisher, which is a business, and business needs to make money to stay afloat.  However, the goodwill of the consumer is far greater than they're willing to admit and they seem to only pull this nonsense to appease the wealthy shareholders of EA, who probably don't even play games, but know it can be a lucrative business.

If EA wanted to try and put Origin as a competitor to Steam, they need to emulate Steam far more than what they're doing.  Origin takes far too much control away from the user and that, frankly, does not garner customer goodwill.

You want to know why Steam has the support it does?  It earned its customer goodwill, despite all the missteps it took since Half-Life 2 was released.  Valve and Steam did far more things right than wrong.  

EA, on the other hand, is acting like it's entitled to the same amount of goodwill, when it has done little to nothing of the same things Valve has.  EA_Spouse, anyone?  That does not show goodwill towards neither consumer nor their own employees.  

EA has tried to shed its less than savory image, but unfortunately, this whole mutliplayer nonsense seems like something EA has been pushing on Bioware to shove Origin down our throats so they can hold ME, which was always a SINGLE PLAYER franchise, hostage in order to leverage itself against Steam and other plaforms.

And yes, there are other Digitial Distribution platforms out there.  Good Old Games, Gamers Gate, Direct to Drive, and more.  

So, no.  Despite my complete ambivilance towards Multiplayer in ME, this whole thing smells bad and frankly, it makes me feel like EA considers me nothing more than an entranced bird with a wallet to attempt to empty.

Modifié par IliyaMoroumetz, 16 octobre 2011 - 04:22 .

[CAPSLOCK FURY]

IliyaMoroumetz wrote...

Wow, the EA Apologists are out in force, as of late.

I am emotionally crushed. It's not my fault people fail to read a policy that says...

By using Valve's online sites and products, users agree that Valve may
collect aggregate information, individual information, and personally
identifiable information, as defined below. Valve may share aggregate
information and individual information with other parties. Valve shall
not share personally identifiable information with other parties, except
as described in the policy below.

then try saying that they don't.

[IliyaMoroumetz]

CAPSLOCK FURY wrote...

IliyaMoroumetz wrote...

Wow, the EA Apologists are out in force, as of late.

I am emotionally crushed. It's not my fault people fail to read a policy that says...

By using Valve's online sites and products, users agree that Valve may
collect aggregate information, individual information, and personally
identifiable information, as defined below. Valve may share aggregate
information and individual information with other parties. Valve shall
not share personally identifiable information with other parties, except
as described in the policy below.

then try saying that they don't.

Who said I was arguing for Valve in the first place? (And I will admit that in my edit, I am, but that's beside the point.)  I was merely stating that you people seem to be more than eager to defend EA.

Modifié par IliyaMoroumetz, 16 octobre 2011 - 04:24 .

[CAPSLOCK FURY]

IliyaMoroumetz wrote...

Who said I was arguing for Valve
in the first place? (And I will admit that in my edit, I am, but that's
beside the point.)  I was merely stating that you people seem to be more
than eager to defend EA.

Stop editing yo stuff.

I don't care one way ot the other about EA. I think if people want to be angry about the clause EA put in theirs, they need to be angry about every clause that's out there. Rather than picking the newest one out, because a group of people wanted to vilify it due to BF3 not being on Steam.

Modifié par CAPSLOCK FURY, 16 octobre 2011 - 04:26 .

[IliyaMoroumetz]

CAPSLOCK FURY wrote...

Stop editing yo stuff.

I don't care one way ot the other about EA. I think if people want to be angry about the clause EA put in theirs, they need to be angry about every clause that's out there.

Make me stop editing.  I'm trying to be clear and concise, here.

Also:
Choice/Opt-out 
Valve gives users the option of discontinuing receipt of promotional email communications from Valve. Instructions for discontinuing receipt of promotional email communications from Valve will be provided in such subsequent email communications to users.

And yes, that is relevent.

Modifié par IliyaMoroumetz, 16 octobre 2011 - 04:27 .

[CAPSLOCK FURY]

IliyaMoroumetz wrote...

Make me stop editing.  I'm trying to be clear and concise, here.

Also:
Choice/Opt-out 
Valve gives users the option of discontinuing receipt of promotional email communications from Valve. Instructions for discontinuing receipt of promotional email communications from Valve will be provided in such subsequent email communications to users.

And yes, that is relevent.

That's for something entirely different than the Privacy Policy and ToS.

[IliyaMoroumetz]

CAPSLOCK FURY wrote...

That's for something entirely different than the Privacy Policy and ToS.

Considering that the clause everyone's getting angry about is for marketing purposes, something which EA has made clear they intend to use to sell to third parties so business can 'personalize' their advertisements for things people don't really need, it's a lot closer than you think.

Edit;
Yes, I'm editing again.  Frankly, the people that are shouting down those having objections to Origin are not going to convince anyone but themselves.  And you know what?  No on one has been convinced of anything and the only thing that has been lost was time.  And in order to spare what time I do have left, I'm not going to waste any more of mine arguing with people that feel that their position is the only one that matters.  Yes, I'm quite aware of the hypocracy.

Modifié par IliyaMoroumetz, 16 octobre 2011 - 04:41 .

[CAPSLOCK FURY]

IliyaMoroumetz wrote...

CAPSLOCK FURY wrote...

That's for something entirely different than the Privacy Policy and ToS.

Considering that the clause everyone's getting angry about is for marketing purposes, something which EA has made clear they intend to use to sell to third parties so business can 'personalize' their advertisements for things people don't really need, it's a lot closer than you think.

But the opt out thing that you put up was for promotionals from VALVe, not the third parties.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Origin sucks ass, the second I find out ME3 doesn't force-**** Origin on you is the second I uninstall it from my system.

[CAPSLOCK FURY]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Origin sucks ass, the second I find out ME3 doesn't force-**** Origin on you is the second I uninstall it from my system.

Thank you for your valuable and insightful input.

[MarauderESP]

i've saying this “no option to let them scan my pc” no origin install on my drive (alredy canceled bf3 a shame i have the rest of the series) , however i have my tricks to install me3 then after finishing it illremeve it for good , i just want to see how the story end, this also mean i wont be buying another bw game, until installing origin or any crap like that is reqired
and i dont have steam facebook or any other thing that required scaning my system

[CptBomBom00]

I have an xbox but whats this origin thing?

[CAPSLOCK FURY]

CptBomBom00 wrote...

I have an xbox but whats this origin thing?

EA's version of steam that's become the new devil since fanboys dug for something to use against EA cause they pulled away from Steam. Escapist Magazine started spreading the news about how vile their clause was and the bandwagon started rolling.

I'm all for people not liking ALL the services like the previous poster, but to pick on one for having the same clause as most of the others is idiotic at best.

[Janus Prospero]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Its no different to Steam, except for the actual context. For example;
Steam: We're going to rummage through your system to detect anythign that may be a cheat, or otherwise give you an unfair advantage in multiplayer games. 
Obscure on what they are doing, very clear on why they are doing it. Also note they have thrown in a MAY, just to give themselves open slather to look at any process, for any reason.

Origin: We're going to look at all your hardware, software, software usage, data, connectivity and anything else we can think of.
Very clear on what they are doing, very obscure on why they are doing it.

If you take note of the settings in ME2 (Options -> Settings -> Online) there was a setting for "Upload gameplay feedback" which is what Bioware would have used for player statistics. You were able to switch that off if you so desired.


Now that the question has been asked, and answered, I wouldnt be surprised if this thread goes the way of its predecessor and gets closed for not being directly ME3 related.
Feel free to join in the discussion in the Off-Topic forum thread, located here.

Thank you for that explanation. That was all very well stated. Hopefully this thread doesn't get locked down. And if it does, I'm sorry for being the catalyst of that. But when people in this thread say, "If Origin is required to play ME3, I'm canceling my preorder," it begs the question of what problem they have with Origin.

I do think it's kind of ridiculous that the off-topic thread is essentially prerequisite reading before you can understand and participate in this one.

[MarauderESP]

well u see when a program run trough my pc seeing what i have installed or unistalled what programs i use , how often , what brouwser do i use, the lvl of security , where do i go while surf the net , and i dont have the option to disable it or block it , i consider that a problem , and if i can't play the game that i buy without having to install a spyware , that is a problem , that is why im waiting for that faq on what deegree origin is required to play the sp , if iwant to play a mp ill play bf2 and its a ea game that work fine without that crap

Modifié par MarauderESP, 16 octobre 2011 - 10:37 .