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[DownyTif]

ME_Fan wrote...

And btw (Lol), Origin has millions of users already, it's unlikely to fail.

You might need to do some research before posting something like this. I became an Origin user because I have NHL on the 360. That says it all.

Modifié par DownyTif, 23 novembre 2011 - 03:23 .

[DownyTif]

BounceDK wrote...

It's funny to see so many butthurt valve fanboys.

I'm not targeted by your constructive post, but please go ahead an explain us you view on the Origin subject and explain us the difference between Steam an Origin. I'm all ears.

[DownyTif]

Lumikki wrote...

ODST 3 wrote...

I'm glad I don't have to know what Origin is.

I'm glad I don't have to know what AIDS is.

Does my comment sound stupid? Yes it does, because ignorance and not caring isn't the way to go. Point been person making decission based knowledge, even if it's taste based is okey, can be right or wrong choice. How ever, person deliberately decide to be ignorance as burring they head into sand and sing "la, la la , I don't want to hear or know" is just stupid as hell.

I think he just meant that he's glad he won't have to install Origin (because he plays on console or else).

[Killjoy Cutter]

DownyTif wrote...

ME_Fan wrote...

And btw (Lol), Origin has millions of users already, it's unlikely to fail.

You might need to do some research before posting something like this. I became an Origin user because I have NHL on the 360. That says it all.

Yeap -- EA is inflating their numbers for Origin by using the number of people who have an Origin account -- which you have to have to post here, install patches or DLC for some games, etc. 

HUGE difference between an having an Origin account, and actually having the Origin spyware installed.

[Killjoy Cutter]

DownyTif wrote...

Lumikk wrote...

ODST 3 wrote...

I'm glad I don't have to know what Origin is.

I'm glad I don't have to know what AIDS is.

Does my comment sound stupid? Yes it does, because ignorance and not caring isn't the way to go. Point been person making decission based knowledge, even if it's taste based is okey, can be right or wrong choice. How ever, person deliberately decide to be ignorance as burring they head into sand and sing "la, la la , I don't want to hear or know" is just stupid as hell.

I think he just meant that he's glad he won't have to install Origin (because he plays on console or else).

Give EA and their ilk time.  If they get away with Origin on PC, the next step will be to force greater information surrender from console users.

[Nathander Von Eric]

They can't force it. It's simple.

"You want to make that a requirement for me to play your games EA?

No. No. No.

I have a counter offer. My requirement is for you to drop these kinds of asinine business practices
in order for me to want to purchase your games."

They won't do it? Fine. There are plenty of other publishers that want my money. And if they all go the same way?

I'll find another hobby that will replace my time spent playing video games. It's easy enough to do in this day and age.

[ODST 3]

Lumikki wrote...

ODST 3 wrote...

I'm glad I don't have to know what Origin is.

I'm glad I don't have to know what AIDS is.

Does my comment sound stupid? Yes it does, because ignorance and not caring isn't the way to go. Point been person making decission based knowledge, even if it's taste based is okey, can be right or wrong choice. How ever, person deliberately decide to be ignorance as burring they head into sand and sing "la, la la , I don't want to hear or know" is just stupid as hell.

You're comparing AIDS to something video game related? Well done. You're right we should never take things on a case by case basis. Point is, PC gaming is dying.

[Killjoy Cutter]

The usage of "force" in this context is well understood -- as in, they will make it a condition of "leasing" the game from them.

[xCirdanx]

ODST 3 wrote...
PC gaming is dying.

riiight...pats head. off topic anyway.

[CenturyCrow]

ODST 3 wrote...
You're right we should never take things on a case by case basis. Point is, PC gaming is dying.

No, the PC market is healthy; many new CPUs coming out. The video card market is thriving; even low cost cards now meet or exceed the best of the consoles had to offer. There's always interest in system requirements.

No. PC Gaming is being strangled by DRM, EULAs, TOS, console ports, games rushed to meet financial deadlines, etc. But in spite of all the assassination attempts, it's still ticking.

Modifié par CenturyCrow, 23 novembre 2011 - 09:29 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

The PC has a much shorter turnover to advance, adopt, and adapt, and has the advantage of having other uses that consoles can't hope to touch as long as they're consoles.

As pointed out, it's not the PC that keeps trying to kill PC gaming, it's the PC gaming industry that keeps trying to kill itself.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 23 novembre 2011 - 09:51 .

[RoseLegion]

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

They can't force it. It's simple.

"You want to make that a requirement for me to play your games EA?

No. No. No.

I have a counter offer. My requirement is for you to drop these kinds of asinine business practices
in order for me to want to purchase your games."

They won't do it? Fine. There are plenty of other publishers that want my money. And if they all go the same way?

I'll find another hobby that will replace my time spent playing video games. It's easy enough to do in this day and age.

I've been meaning to say this for awhile and keep getting distracted from it, but your post has remined me.  Thank you :happy:

I am a long time gamer, my first computer game played was on the Apple 2C (yes that's right back in the era of lime green on black).  So one might say I'm invested in video game, they're a hobby, they got me into learning how computers (and then data security) works and what's changing in the modern age (and there have been tons of changes).  However if given a choice between continuing to participate in my favorite hobby (which I spend the lions share of my free time and "disposable" income on every year without fail) with the current trend of Origin/steam/DRM/persistent connections/whatever the next "innovation" is or walking away from it entirely I will walk away and not look back.  Instead of LAN parties my friends and I can just as easily play Go, or Shogi, or something published by Fantasy Flight.
The point of what I'm saying is this, the members of this thread, and indeed many gamers, are by and large clever folks who I am sure can find other pasttimes to amuse themselves and other ways to connect with friends (even those who are physically distant).  The idea that we need to buy games at all (much less those which contain elements/constraints we find unacceptable) is quite simply false.  We have a choice, and honestly even if we don't get what we're after here it's not a bad choice, we're clever and we'll be just fine.  That why I  keep saying hey bioware I want to support you, let me because it's not about if I am going to be ok, I'll be fine regardless and so will you.  We all know it.  But I'm forced to wonder a little bit if perhaps certain publishers don't understand this fact.

CenturyCrow wrote...

ODST 3 wrote...
You're right we should never take things on a case by case basis. Point is, PC gaming is dying.

No,
the PC market is healthy; many new CPUs coming out. The video card
market is thriving; even low cost cards now meet or exceed the best of
the consoles had to offer. There's always interest in system
requirements.

No. PC Gaming is being strangled by DRM, EULAs, TOS, console ports, games rushed to meet financial deadlines, etc. But in spite of all the assassination attempts, it's still ticking.

CenturyCrow thanks for providing a superb entry to my next point on this subject

The other thing that seems to me is being over looked from the 'viewing angle' of the boardrooms is that there are lots of alternatives to buying from them.  I'm not here on this board kicking up a fuss because I don't know of any games outside of those published by EA/Ubi/etc.  I'm here because I really like Mass Effect and I'd hate to not be able to buy it.  Even if every major publisher adopted the same DRM/Origin type requirements, or even stopped producing games for the PC market altogether there would still be games available on the PC.  It really is just that simple.  Would they perhaps not as often have full voice acting and OSTs plus full lines of clothing attached to them? Sure.  Would DLC perhaps be less forthcoming? Could be. (Tho I think CD Projket Red puts the lie to that at least a little bit), but would there be games to buy?  Without question.  And while I have copies of things like Crysis, Left 4 Dead, Fall Out 3, and two copies of nearly everything Bioware has ever made, none of that means I've stopped enjoying games like Panzer General, or even Qbert. 
Point being there are many game types and ways to enjoy a game and while things like "bleeding edge" graphics, original music compositions, and fully voice acted duologue are all nice (don't get me worng given the choice I want all of that in my games) they're less important than a solid story, quality UI, interesting gameplay, and let me be frank, a lack of tech headaches inflicted on the end user by "IP protection methods" that have the character of a ferret on a sugar high.

So before this gets even longer I'll close with a summery.

• I'm not here for myself Bioware, I'm here for you and my fellow gamers.  And truth be told I think most of them can say the same.  So we'll support you if you let us, we want to or we wouldn't be talking here.  But come end of the day video games (on any platform and from any studio/publisher) are just games.  Point being if your polices make the experience of buying/installing/playing a game not that fun anymore then we'll just find something else that is.  We don't have to be here, we're doing it because we like you, I  hope you don't force us to change that opinion.

[Slayer299]

Wow! I think that pretty well sums up this thread and it could end right there because it doesn't get said any better!

[Ghost-621]

Would you idiots stop arguing about PC/CONZOLZ LOLZ WARZ and get back on topic to EA's spyware?

Goodness people, you're handing EA an excuse to close the thread on a silver platter...

[Bogsnot1]

Slayer299 wrote...
Wow! I think that pretty well sums up this thread and it could end right there because it doesn't get said any better!

Agreed.
Although something tells me that the beancounters in EA who run the show wont get the message, and will continue to flail away in blind arrogance thinking they can control the PC gaming industry through draconian measures and litigious tyranny, when PC users, just like everyone else, only wish to be free to enjoy their hobby, without shakles, or having to "present their papers" at every checkpoint.

[N0-Future]

I agree...I couldn't have said it better Bogsnot

[Xannerz]

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

They can't force it. It's simple.

"You want to make that a requirement for me to play your games EA?

No. No. No.

I have a counter offer. My requirement is for you to drop these kinds of asinine business practices
in order for me to want to purchase your games."

They won't do it? Fine. There are plenty of other publishers that want my money. And if they all go the same way?

I'll find another hobby that will replace my time spent playing video games. It's easy enough to do in this day and age.

^ This, so much of this.

Steam is having a sale -- $5/ME1/ME2. I bought both - yeah, that's right - even though I already own them for my 360.  I'll be more than happy to buy ME3 for the PC, too... as long as Origin isn't required.  

[CenturyCrow]

Ghost-621 wrote...

Would you idiots stop arguing about PC/CONZOLZ LOLZ WARZ and get back on topic to EA's spyware?

Goodness people, you're handing EA an excuse to close the thread on a silver platter...

Pardon, but I believe it's on topic. I have games on the PC and the Playstation, so it's not a war and it's not a comparision, except for one fact. Namely the issue of Origin on the PC. If I had played Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 on my Playstation, it wouldn't be a concern to me since I don't have anything but games on the PS3. But my saved games are on the PC, so it's a concern. I wish I could move the saved games over to the Playstation, pre-order the Playstation version and move on so I could play what probably will be my last EA game.

I, like other await answers. Besides learning more about Origins from a BioWare source, I'd like to know if it is a form of DRM (so I stay legal). I'd like to keep this thread current and open for answers, so they are not forgotten.

[Bogsnot1]

CenturyCrow wrote...
Pardon, but I believe it's on topic. I have games on the PC and the Playstation, so it's not a war and it's not a comparision, except for one fact. Namely the issue of Origin on the PC. If I had played Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 on my Playstation, it wouldn't be a concern to me since I don't have anything but games on the PS3. But my saved games are on the PC, so it's a concern. I wish I could move the saved games over to the Playstation, pre-order the Playstation version and move on so I could play what probably will be my last EA game.

I, like other await answers. Besides learning more about Origins from a BioWare source, I'd like to know if it is a form of DRM (so I stay legal). I'd like to keep this thread current and open for answers, so they are not forgotten.

From what I recall of one of the dev tweets, Origin is not designed to be a form of DRM, merely a distribution service. Thus, not only can be legally bypass it, we can also talk about bypassing it on these forums without being in violation of Site rule #7.

[Lumikki]

CenturyCrow wrote...

No, the PC market is healthy; many new CPUs coming out. The video card market is thriving; even low cost cards now meet or exceed the best of the consoles had to offer. There's always interest in system requirements.

No. PC Gaming is being strangled by DRM, EULAs, TOS, console ports, games rushed to meet financial deadlines, etc. But in spite of all the assassination attempts, it's still ticking.

RoseLegion wrote...

So before this gets even longer I'll close with a summery.

• I'm not here for myself Bioware, I'm here for you and my fellow gamers.  And truth be told I think most of them can say the same.  So we'll support you if you let us, we want to or we wouldn't be talking here.  But come end of the day video games (on any platform and from any studio/publisher) are just games.  Point being if your polices make the experience of buying/installing/playing a game not that fun anymore then we'll just find something else that is.  We don't have to be here, we're doing it because we like you, I  hope you don't force us to change that opinion.

Yeah, I think these quotes says a lot, how the situation is.

Bogsnot1 wrote...

From what I recall of one of the dev tweets, Origin is not designed to be a form of DRM, merely a distribution service.

Yes, but what game company doesn't seem to ask, does ALL your customers want online distribution service?

I play in PC what has no internet connection. I buy my PC single player games from shop, because that's how i like it. I have no console and nor i have need for console. Why do I need online distribution service?

So, if the game it self would do the DRM check, what means no need for distribution service for offline players. Then origin client would be voluntary product for online gaming and distribution service. Would that work better for everyone?

Then respect your customers so much that ask, if your customers want to help your company make your games better and be part of collecting gaming data. All this and everyone would be fine and happy.

Why it's so hard for company to do the right thing?

Aren't companies making products for they customers as what they customers want?
When did this change so that companies started them self to define what they customers needs?

Modifié par Lumikki, 24 novembre 2011 - 05:00 .

[lucidfox]

[quote]Bogsnot1 wrote...

[/quote]
Origin is not designed to be a form of DRM, merely a distribution service.

[/quote]
It doesn't matter what it's designed to be, it only matters what it is.

[Bogsnot1]

[quote]lucidfox wrote...
[quote]Bogsnot1 wrote...

[/quote]
Origin is not designed to be a form of DRM, merely a distribution service.

[/quote]
It doesn't matter what it's designed to be, it only matters what it is.[/quote]

You missed my point. If the devs are saying its not a form of DRM, my point was that we can discuss ways of bypassing it, without being in violation of Site Rule #7, which has to do with piracy, and DRM circumvention.

[Menchi_1]

I for one would love to move all of my bought DLCs from my pc to my 360. I have been an avid bioware supporter for years and years, I have bought Knights to Dragon Age 2 and all the DLC I can find....except genesis and character skins but that's because with ME1 no reason for it and I don't like any of the skins. I would love to keep giving them my money as long as they can keep making the games I love and introducing new worlds and new characters to me as new games or more dlc. What I CANNOT or WILL NOT allow is for them to force a spybot on me. Hey everyone it's 1984 how's your Ingsoc? Lol thought it was E not I, talk about a literary fail

Modifié par Menchi_1, 24 novembre 2011 - 06:02 .

[MadLaughter]

Wonder if they are still looking into this. Bioware likes to announce 'good' things and leave the bad things for people to hope for even when they have no intention of ever resolving them. This seems like one of those times. (Community tools for DA2, for example)

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

They can't force it. It's simple.

"You want to make that a requirement for me to play your games EA?

No. No. No.

I have a counter offer. My requirement is for you to drop these kinds of asinine business practices
in order for me to want to purchase your games."

They won't do it? Fine. There are plenty of other publishers that want my money. And if they all go the same way?

I'll find another hobby that will replace my time spent playing video games. It's easy enough to do in this day and age.

Surprisingly consoles are the safe haven from stupid DRM, I kind of see why they are taking over the market now.

And as an avid PC gamer, I'll say this, PC gaming is dying. Sure the digital distributors have been successful, but the source of the vast majority of PC games has been console ports. That is just...just true.

When they start designing games with the PC consumer in mind and the console as the port, then I'll be more impressed with PC games.

Also F2P is taking over the PC market now, if big companies pushing for it, isn't clue enough, then I don't know what is...see the 1001 F2P gaming networks with cashshops, and a lot of larger titles Team Fortress 2, and DC Universe go F2P (and Battlefield Heroes/NFS World....list goes on for games designed for F2P)