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[SalsaDMA]

Unbannable wrote...

CenturyCrow wrote...

Apparently Origin is mandatory for BF3 whether you download or use retail. No Origin, NO BF3; plus no opt out on the scanning. According to EA's website:

Yeah, and I wonder why that is?  Could it be because BF3 is an online shooter?

Silly argument. Origin doesn't add anything to BF3. DICE implemented battlelog in BF3 to deal with the multiplayer aspects. The fact that people have been able to crack the link and play BF3 online without needing to start up Origin tells everything about how superflous Origin is for BF3s multiplayer.

For Battlefield 3 on PC, you’ll need the latest version of Origin

BF 3 is primarily a multiplayer online game. ME and ME 2 are single player games; ME 3 adds multiplayer.

[b]So arises the topic - Origin will be required to play ME3?

It may be that because ME3 has an multiplayer component, Origin may be required for those wanting to play online with other people..

And there's nothing wrong with that.  It would be nice if EA specificed that Origin would not be required for those wishing to play the single player campaign only though.

See previous comment. There is nothing that requires Origin to be present for multiplayer. Using it as an argument is just proof that the talespinners from EA have been succesfull in spreading mis-information about the program.

There's everything wrong with requiring not only Origin, but also falsely claim that it is to facilitate a tacked on addition to the game that wasn't even considered by fans before the rumor mill started; and in some cases even hotly despised by some fans because of fear that implementing multiplayer took resources away from what was important about the game.

And no, I don't want to play or purchase games on the internet. IF I purchase the game, it will be retail. No thanks on the DRM via Origin either. And I don't particularly see a need to socialize while playing a single player game.

I may have been mistaken about the Origin DRM.  I don't think Origin even has innate DRM capabilities unline Steam, because you can shut it off completely and it's not required during gaming.....unless you're playing BF3 or another online game.

Considering that people have reported that they have had access to their BF3 single-player gaming cut off courtesy of forumbans, claming there is no DRM in origin is blatantly false. It may not take the form that we are used to: verify that a user bought a legit copy. The fact that EA takes control of their consumers products is still Managing their Digital Rights, just in a more nefarious way than consumers are used to.

I expect that users will be forced to use Origin for any ME 3 DLC, which will automatically exclude me from considering DLC.

You need an EA/Origin account to download DLC, so what difference does it make?  

I didn't need to install an extra client to download and install DLC for ME2, so that's quite a difference.

[Unbannable]

anzolino wrote...

Can you see? EA is forcing me to install Origin, for the retail version - no difference between digital and retail/hard copy.

The EULA is rather vague if you ask me.  In the second sentence, it says EA/Origin account, which kinda tells me that you might be able to use your regular EA online account (the same account you use to post on this forum and to buy DLC) without needing to install Origin.

I may be wrong however, as I'm no copyright Lawyer.

I don't buy digital game versions on the internet and I don't play online games. So what? I don't need such a service. I'm a simple single player like many other people here. There is no need for such a service. So, you didn't answer the question for me. Too bad, I thought someone would know at least.

Until I see verification from Bioware that Origin will be required for ME3 installation, then it's still up in the air as far as I'm concerned. 

The EULA you posted has the / mark, so it could mean that you may be capable of just using your EA account without having to use Origin.

Of course, to use the multiplayer feature, I would expect Origin to be required.  This is the reality of gaming today because piracy is so rampant on the PC platform, you can expect devs and publishers to resort to such measures..

And honestly, I can't say I blame them.

For your Steam obsession:
Some of us has recorded what Steam does and we compared the activities of both clients, of course. There were a lot of differences at the first time, Origin did exact the opposite of Steam client, exactly what the EULA said. And then the EULA was changed and not till the last changes (this week) EA brings Origin into a line with Steam.
//End of line for Steam obsession
I'm not willing to discuss a software I'm not using.

In case you missed the screenshot I posted of Steam scanning an external drive, here's the actual link, because the image isn't showing up for some reason on this forum.:

http://i.imgur.com/PskUr.jpg

And like I mentioned before, both Steam and Origin scan your hardrive, because they are looking for games.  They scan, but do not read (unless it's something related to games), and thats a very important distinction.

Now the Origin Setup.exe accesses "My Music" | "My Images" and running programs; Origin accesses the IE folders and there is no Opt-Out to deny sharing private data. People want to decide sharing data by their own and not by force, because it is their right to decide voluntary. It is not EAs right to force them.

You simply have no idea what you're talking about.  I've already told you that while Origin scans your hardrive, it does so because it's looking for games (and apparently only on the first time installation .).  It does not READ any of those files or folders.

Show me an instance of Origin reading those folders and then you might have a point.

It's funny, you are the first declaring that Steam is the devils client and Origin is the angels client. For me both clients are no-need and forced-install clients and I won't buy any game that requires one of them. Many other people out there are thinking like me and the publisher has to decide if losing our money is it worth. (I'm not sure about it if I see the recently movements of Ubisoft.)

Stop using strawman tactics.  I never said that Steam is the deviil's client and Origin is the angel client

I only said that Origin isn't required to be running to play a game, but Steam is, because Steam is a DRM solution.  Apparently, Origin doesn't even have DRM.

And PC gamers need to realize something.  Piracy is rampant on our platform, because it's so easy to torrent games.  When you have MILLIONS of people torrenting games instead of buying them, thats a big problem for devs, and shows why software like Steam and Origin have become a reality.

[Unbannable]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

There is a post earlier in this thread which quotes the devs as saying Origin is not supopsed to be any form of DRM, and is merely a DD service. That being the case, why should purchasers of the physical copy of the game have it shoved down their throats?

Because ME3 has a multiplayer component now, thats why.  However, the multiplayer is optional, so with that said, Origin may be optional as well.

[Unbannable]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Silly argument. Origin doesn't add anything to BF3. DICE implemented battlelog in BF3 to deal with the multiplayer aspects. The fact that people have been able to crack the link and play BF3 online without needing to start up Origin tells everything about how superflous Origin is for BF3s multiplayer.

This is a good point.  I don't play BF3 multiplayer so I'm unfamiliar with battlelog.  So if Origin is required for BF3, it simply means that EA is using BF3 as leverage to get people to install and use Origin as they want to compete with Steam.

And I have no problem with that.  Competition is good, and Steam has a virtual stranglehold on digital distribution.  Origin is a great competitor.  Heck, I bought Batman Arkham City on Origin a few days ago on the black Friday sale, for 25 bucks and Alice the Madness returns for 14 bucks..

Batman Arkham City is a brand new game that was just released last week on the PC.  All the other retailers (including Steam) had it going for full price.

See previous comment. There is nothing that requires Origin to be present for multiplayer. Using it as an argument is just proof that the talespinners from EA have been succesfull in spreading mis-information about the program.

Addressed above.

Considering that people have reported that they have had access to their BF3 single-player gaming cut off courtesy of forumbans, claming there is no DRM in origin is blatantly false. It may not take the form that we are used to: verify that a user bought a legit copy. The fact that EA takes control of their consumers products is still Managing their Digital Rights, just in a more nefarious way than consumers are used to.

You don't need to have Origin installed to have your account suspended.  While your EA account can be used to log in to Origin, they are not necessarily mutually inclusive.

I've had my EA account permanently suspended before (which affected my use of my DLC) and I never had Origin installed on my computer.

In fact, thats why I now use a separate account to post on this forum. 

I didn't need to install an extra client to download and install DLC for ME2, so that's quite a difference.

Yeah, but you still needed an account.  If installing Origin causes you that much grief (and it uses very little resources), then I don't know what to say.

I'd rather install Origin and reap it's benefits (great sales) than stick solely to my EA account..

Modifié par Unbannable, 27 novembre 2011 - 05:16 .

[Nathander Von Eric]

I have news for you Unbannable.

Piracy is rampant on consoles as well. Has been rampant for ages.

If I wanted to --which I don't. I'm not a thief--I could mod my consoles and play torrented games on them easily. Heck, I know a site that has Skyrim for the 360 on it right now ready for download.

I don't think that Origin's main thing is piracy at all. Digital downloads are huge right now and it's the future of PC gaming. They might be scanning for pirated games and, if they are I can understand why.  But I don't wnat them scanning anything on my PC except files directly related to games I bought from them. -If- I ever decided to use their client.

I think mainly that EA is just trying to make sure that they have a huge slice of that pie by offering Origin.

Good for them. I have no problem with that.

What I have a problem with is what has been said about how the EA client operates.

Bioware has stated in more than one thread that they will answer questions about it. In fact I believe it was stated that they were going to put a FAQ together once they were absolutely sure they knew everything about it and could put out the facts as accurately as possible.

That was a couple of months ago. We still haven't seen it or gotten any answers from Bioware on the subject at all.

Is it because they are in crunch time? I could understand that I guess. Long hours trying to get things done right for one their most anticipated games in their history.

Or is it because the truth is something they know people won't like?

I don't know obviously. But it's pretty strange that after over two months of people asking they still haven't answered the basic question of: Will Origin be required to play ME3?

Modifié par Nathander Von Eric, 27 novembre 2011 - 05:40 .

[Unbannable]

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

I have news for you Unbannable.

Piracy is rampant on consoles as well. Has been rampant for ages.

If I wanted to --which I don't. I'm not a thief--I could mod my consoles and play torrented games on them easily. Heck, I know a site that has Skyrim for the 360 on it right now ready for download.

Did I say that piracy was non existent on consoles?  Of course not..

However, piracy on the consoles is nowhere near as prevalent as it is on the PC.  If you have ever seen the torrenting rate for the Call of Duty PC games, then you'd be stunned. 

I'm talking about millions of downloads here. 

[SalsaDMA]

Unbannable wrote...

Considering that people have reported that they have had access to their BF3 single-player gaming cut off courtesy of forumbans, claming there is no DRM in origin is blatantly false. It may not take the form that we are used to: verify that a user bought a legit copy. The fact that EA takes control of their consumers products is still Managing their Digital Rights, just in a more nefarious way than consumers are used to.

You don't need to have Origin installed to have your account suspended.  While your EA account can be used to log in to Origin, they are not necessarily mutually inclusive.

I've had my EA account permanently suspended before (which affected my use of my DLC) and I never had Origin installed on my computer.

In fact, thats why I now use a separate account to post on this forum. 

The problem with unified bans and Origin is when they tie up your game to Origin like they did with bf3. BF3 players were forced to have Origin installed, and forum bans for them meant loss of access to their game.

If Origin ONLY had been a distribution platform, I could live with that. But it's not.
EA doesn't know how to leave well enough alone, and thus they couldn't help themselves from litterally making a devil's contract deal with Origin.

I installed the client from Green Man gaming without much of a fuss from me to get digital downloads from GMG, because I'm not expecting much of a fuss from them and that client.

With Origin, though, I would always wonder what kind of data they would harvest now, in the future, and what random changes they would make later on just because they can. This is especially troublesome, as the eula stated they could change the clients capabilities at any time, meaning that if they later on decided to include stuff that was troubling even you, they would hold your entire Origin game collection as ransom in trying to get you to click that 'agree' button every time they 'update' the clients capabilities.

With Origin I would also loose control of my own products, and hand over control to EA of wether or not I was allowed to play the games I bought. Something I am not keen on doing, especially with the track record they have set so far of customer relations.

With SOPA, EA have also shown that they want to implement censorship on the web towards anything they would want that mentioned one of their IPs. Not only is this stance incredible harmfull for the free flow of information, but it would put implicit threats against reviewing sites and sites hosting forums. Have something on the website they deem as 'harmfull', and they would want to shut down the site without even having to go to court (That SOPA os even being considered in legislation tells me how far off the rockers US society have become. So much for the 'land of the free' )

Basicly I guess it comes down to trust.
Given the actions that EA has taken in the past and are trying for in the future, I have zero trust in EA.
Thus I have zero interest in allowing EA control of me in any parts, aside from their ability to create a game I may or may not desire to buy.
Control of what I say, control of my access to games I bought. control of what I read... those things EA have no business trying to ascertain control of, yet that is exactly what they are trying.

[SalsaDMA]

Unbannable wrote...

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

I have news for you Unbannable.

Piracy is rampant on consoles as well. Has been rampant for ages.

If I wanted to --which I don't. I'm not a thief--I could mod my consoles and play torrented games on them easily. Heck, I know a site that has Skyrim for the 360 on it right now ready for download.

Did I say that piracy was non existent on consoles?  Of course not..

However, piracy on the consoles is nowhere near as prevalent as it is on the PC.  If you have ever seen the torrenting rate for the Call of Duty PC games, then you'd be stunned. 

I'm talking about millions of downloads here. 

Piracy is silly to claim, given the disastrous effect Ubisofts DRM schemes had on their sales.
I personally would never buy a Ubisoft game precisely because of their DRM schemes, and the 90% lessing in PC sales they reported after the introduction of their 'always online' DRM shows all too well I am not the only one thinking so.

In comparison you have a game like the witcher 2 that sells well, despite not being overly burdened by DRM.

I find it a bit hard to take comments about 'required DRM to combat piracy' given the facts of the world. To me, such comments come off as if from someone living in an ivory tower.

[Nathander Von Eric]

If anyone really believes that piracy is really more prevalent on PC than consoles I have some ocean front property in Arizona I can sell them at a low, low price.

But this isn't about piracy for most of us. It's about getting answers about the EA client and what it really does or, at least, finding out if it will be required to be installed for all copies of ME3 to play.

[TheRealJayDee]

Unbannable wrote...

And PC gamers need to realize something.  Piracy is rampant on our platform, because it's so easy to torrent games.  When you have MILLIONS of people torrenting games instead of buying them, thats a big problem for devs, and shows why software like Steam and Origin have become a reality.

So do Origin and Steam actually prevent games from being pirated? News to me. Did any form of anti piracy measure ever stop the rampant piracy for long? I don't think so.

Are these things making gaming much more uncomfortable for those who actually buy the games? They sure do, to the point where people start thinking about wether it would be better to just pirate the games too or simply ignore them.

[Unbannable]

SalsaDMA wrote...

The problem with unified bans and Origin is when they tie up your game to Origin like they did with bf3. BF3 players were forced to have Origin installed, and forum bans for them meant loss of access to their game.

I'll repeat it again.  You don't need Origin installed to have access to your game tampered with.  The ban affects your EA account, and you can have an EA account without installing Origin, so this is moot.

If Origin ONLY had been a distribution platform, I could live with that. But it's not.
EA doesn't know how to leave well enough alone, and thus they couldn't help themselves from litterally making a devil's contract deal with Origin.

Addressed above.

With Origin I would also loose control of my own products, and hand over control to EA of wether or not I was allowed to play the games I bought. Something I am not keen on doing, especially with the track record they have set so far of customer relations.

Addressed above.

[Unbannable]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Piracy is silly to claim, given the disastrous effect Ubisofts DRM schemes had on their sales.
I personally would never buy a Ubisoft game precisely because of their DRM schemes, and the 90% lessing in PC sales they reported after the introduction of their 'always online' DRM shows all too well I am not the only one thinking so.

Piracy isn't a non issue, and Ubisoft's DRM is a direct response to the rampant piracy on the PC platform.  When you have millions of people download your games and not paying for them, what do you expect developers to do?

Sit there and take it?  Although in Ubisoft's case, the DRM was too excessive and thus pushed their paying customers away from them.

In comparison you have a game like the witcher 2 that sells well, despite not being overly burdened by DRM.

The Witcher 2 sells well, but it would sell even better if people didn't pirate it. 

I find it a bit hard to take comments about 'required DRM to combat piracy' given the facts of the world. To me, such comments come off as if from someone living in an ivory tower.

And I find your comments about piracy to be ignorant.  You, like most people seem to have no idea about the rampancy of video game piracy.

Call of Duty Black Ops PC was downloaded over 4 million times via torrents, and the Xbox version was downloaded over 900,000 times.

Thats insane, and only someone "living in an ivory tower" wouldn't be able to see that the sole reason we have so many issues with DRM in PC gaming today, is because of the rampant piracy that goes on.

[SalsaDMA]

Unbannable wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

The problem with unified bans and Origin is when they tie up your game to Origin like they did with bf3. BF3 players were forced to have Origin installed, and forum bans for them meant loss of access to their game.

I'll repeat it again.  You don't need Origin installed to have access to your game tampered with.  The ban affects your EA account, and you can have an EA account without installing Origin, so this is moot.

If Origin ONLY had been a distribution platform, I could live with that. But it's not.
EA doesn't know how to leave well enough alone, and thus they couldn't help themselves from litterally making a devil's contract deal with Origin.

Addressed above.

With Origin I would also loose control of my own products, and hand over control to EA of wether or not I was allowed to play the games I bought. Something I am not keen on doing, especially with the track record they have set so far of customer relations.

Addressed above.

Let me clarify then, since you seem to miss the point:

If I got banned:
a) I would be able to load up and play my ME2 copy just fine.
I wouldn't be able to load up any origin game, though.

both a) and use the origin account, yet only controls your actual game past the purchase.

[Unbannable]

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

If anyone really believes that piracy is really more prevalent on PC than consoles I have some ocean front property in Arizona I can sell them at a low, low price.

But this isn't about piracy for most of us. It's about getting answers about the EA client and what it really does or, at least, finding out if it will be required to be installed for all copies of ME3 to play.

If anyone really believes that piracy is really more prevalent on consoles than on PC, I have some ocean front property in Arizona I can sell them at a low, low price.

We can bandy words all day, but in the end, I have the numbers to back up my arguement.

Most pirated games of 2010.

Look at the figures for the PC and then look at the ones for the Xbox 360 and tell me I am wrong.

[SalsaDMA]

Unbannable wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Piracy is silly to claim, given the disastrous effect Ubisofts DRM schemes had on their sales.
I personally would never buy a Ubisoft game precisely because of their DRM schemes, and the 90% lessing in PC sales they reported after the introduction of their 'always online' DRM shows all too well I am not the only one thinking so.

Piracy isn't a non issue, and Ubisoft's DRM is a direct response to the rampant piracy on the PC platform.  When you have millions of people download your games and not paying for them, what do you expect developers to do?

Sit there and take it?  Although in Ubisoft's case, the DRM was too excessive and thus pushed their paying customers away from them.

In comparison you have a game like the witcher 2 that sells well, despite not being overly burdened by DRM.

The Witcher 2 sells well, but it would sell even better if people didn't pirate it. 

I find it a bit hard to take comments about 'required DRM to combat piracy' given the facts of the world. To me, such comments come off as if from someone living in an ivory tower.

And I find your comments about piracy to be ignorant.  You, like most people seem to have no idea about the rampancy of video game piracy.

Call of Duty Black Ops PC was downloaded over 4 million times via torrents, and the Xbox version was downloaded over 900,000 times.

Thats insane, and only someone "living in an ivory tower" wouldn't be able to see that the sole reason we have so many issues with DRM in PC gaming today, is because of the rampant piracy that goes on.

No.

Only someone that's been snuggling up too much with the music industry would believe that battling your consumers is any way to get your consumers to start paying for products they didn't pay for before.

So I'll gladly re-iterate that it needs living in an ivory tower to think the DRM schemes are doing anything 'good'.

In either case, that particular venue of debate has zero to do with Origin and its attachment to ME3. Origin is EAs push to enter the information selling market with impact, and I am not interested in being their product there.

[Unbannable]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Let me clarify then, since you seem to miss the point:

If I got banned:
a) I would be able to load up and play my ME2 copy just fine.
I wouldn't be able to load up any origin game, though.

both a) and use the origin account, yet only controls your actual game past the purchase.

Seeing as Origin isn't required to be running to play your games (unlike Steam), I fail to see how it would impact your ability to play your game.

[Unbannable]

SalsaDMA wrote...

No.

Only someone that's been snuggling up too much with the music industry would believe that battling your consumers is any way to get your consumers to start paying for products they didn't pay for before.

So I'll gladly re-iterate that it needs living in an ivory tower to think the DRM schemes are doing anything 'good'.

In either case, that particular venue of debate has zero to do with Origin and its attachment to ME3. Origin is EAs push to enter the information selling market with impact, and I am not interested in being their product there.

Whether DRM does anything good or is effective at battling piracy is separate from the point I was making, which is that DRM was created as a response to unchecked piracy.

We all know that pirates are going to pirate regardless of DRM, but on the same token, no reasonable person is going to blame developers for attempting to find methods of mitigating piracy.

[anzolino]

@Unbannable, please stop this Steam discussion.
I don't ask you about the EULA, because I didn't quoted the ME3 EULA. What I quoted was an additional EULA information for ME3 on the EA website and this is far away from beeing vage:
"INSTALLATION OF THE ORIGIN CLIENT SOFTWARE...REQUIRED TO PLAY"
This has nothing to do with the Origin account (also mentioned earlier in the same text). This is an exact description of installation the Origin client software. No misunderstanding possible.

I didn't miss your screenshot, I trust the people I know and their informations. And again: This isn't about Steam. Maybe you get this and make your comments without any mention of it.

I have an exact idea what I'm talking about if it's about the voluntary decision of sharing private data. All the data EA want to gather are personally data, from my IP up to identify my PC. And in this case you can believe me that I exactly know what I'm talking about. It doesn't matter what they scan or not, EA want to gather my data and I don't want to share my data. Period. The simple reason why we want the Opt-Out. We give EA our money and that is enough. I see no purpose for more than that. And no, I don't need "improving user enhancement" and all the other lame explanations for getting my data.

Piracy. Of course. And not a straw man, nope, never ever. If all other arguments fail the last one is piracy. I always wonder how the other publisher and game/software developer can survive without this kind of anti-piracy technologies. They shouldn't. Nobody should. It's like a miracle. No, it's a lame reason! If they want me to connect for verification one time it would be fine and also enough and it wouldn't require an additional software. There are many possibilities to prevent piracy, they only have to implement it. But forcing the customer into an online play is easier because there is always an explanation like DLC, multi player, blabla. Again: I'm a single player and I don't need a item DLC like the last for DA2. No, piracy is not a valid argument. It is a fact that DRM does not have any effect as desired. Time to go into another direction. EA should think about it.

The Witcher 2 sells well, but it would sell even better if people didn't pirate it.

Yes and without rain the sun is shining all the time.
What type of oracle is that? Nobody knows the truly facts of pirated games but people always say: If there were no piracy the sales would be better, millions of times better. Yes, of course.
We all know that the torrentfreak counts are not reliable because 4,7 mill. downloads != 4,7 mill. different gamers or even different plays. And nobody know if even one of them would buy the game. But always someone said "These are our lost sales" and the publishers love these kind of counts, seems to be a perfect reason for more punishment on the paying customer. Like these "funny" informations on DVD "Movie hacking is a crime". Yes, very effective for those bought the DVD. And? Pirate doesn't see it. Really funny for the paying customer /irony off.

Modifié par anzolino, 27 novembre 2011 - 06:53 .

[ZLurps]

anzolino wrote...

Some news on Origin: I've tested the latest Origin after the comments in the german magazine.
Version 8.3.7.3619 (download today) on XP:

- Origin crashes if the firewall is blocking the complete online connection, some of the connections (Akamai) can blocked but not all of them

- Setup.exe accesses all running program binaries during installation
- Setup.exe accesses the folder C:Documents and Settings[username] + All Users.WINDOWSMy Music + My Images

- Origin.exe still accesses the Internet Explorer Cache, History and Cookies
- Origin.exe now only accesses C:Documents and SettingsAll Users.WINDOWSApplication DataOrigin

I guess if the Internet Explorer isn't the default browser, then it checks cache, history and cookies of what is set as default browser, could be Chrome, Firefox whatever.

Somehow I don't like the idea about some game company knowing what politicians blogs I read, what I read in general, what is in my pictures album and so on.

anzolino wrote...
Edit:
We protest against Origin since August. EA has changed the EULA of Origin 3 times. After 4 weeks really heavy public protest in Germany (gamers, magazines, lawyers) and data protectors attention, after that and not till then EA has changed the software.
No, this is not the way to restore my confidence. I don't want to check every single Origin update.

I'm glad for the people who do not care any more because of the changes. But:
My opinion is clear: EA doesn't have any respect for the customers.
My decision is clear as well: I will not buy any game that requires Origin installation. I do not need this kind of disregard.
Sorry, Bioware.

Keep fighting the good fight in Germany!

[charmingcharlie]

Unbannable wrote...
Seeing as Origin isn't required to be running to play your games (unlike Steam), I fail to see how it would impact your ability to play your game.

As far as I am aware Origin IS required to be running whilst you play Battlefield 3.  Now older games such as Mass Effect 2 do not require Origin to be running because they are older games.  However it is clear that EA want Origin to behave in a "similar" fashion to steam so it is not unfair to say that Mass Effect 3 will require Origin running just like Battlefield 3 does.  That is why we are waiting for clarification from Bioware as to what extent Origin will be used in Mass Effect 3.

[MassStorm]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Unbannable wrote...
Seeing as Origin isn't required to be running to play your games (unlike Steam), I fail to see how it would impact your ability to play your game.

As far as I am aware Origin IS required to be running whilst you play Battlefield 3.  Now older games such as Mass Effect 2 do not require Origin to be running because they are older games.  However it is clear that EA want Origin to behave in a "similar" fashion to steam so it is not unfair to say that Mass Effect 3 will require Origin running just like Battlefield 3 does.  That is why we are waiting for clarification from Bioware as to what extent Origin will be used in Mass Effect 3.

To be honest i have read somewhere that Origin will be required(in the sense you have to install it) though you won't need to be online in order to play the single-player game. It was stated that you will just need to be online for the authentication the first time you install the game and then you are good to go, so it is slightly different from BF3 where a constant internet connection is required. Though in the end Origin will be in every copy at least for supporting the multiplayer section of the game. It is EA right to do so since the game is produced by them.

Modifié par MassStorm, 27 novembre 2011 - 07:16 .

[SalsaDMA]

Unbannable wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Let me clarify then, since you seem to miss the point:

If I got banned:
a) I would be able to load up and play my ME2 copy just fine.
I wouldn't be able to load up any origin game, though.

both a) and use the origin account, yet only controls your actual game past the purchase.

Seeing as Origin isn't required to be running to play your games (unlike Steam), I fail to see how it would impact your ability to play your game.

Ask the BF3 players that question

[SalsaDMA]

MassStorm wrote...
 It is EA right to do so since the game is produced by them.

That's a fallacious statement if I ever saw one...

You can ask Microsoft if they had the right to force IE on users installing windows, or if they were forced to split up the connection

[Lumikki]

Unbannable wrote...

Did I say that piracy was non existent on consoles?  Of course not..

However, piracy on the consoles is nowhere near as prevalent as it is on the PC.  If you have ever seen the torrenting rate for the Call of Duty PC games, then you'd be stunned. 

I'm talking about millions of downloads here. 

Origin client doesn't reduse the piracy, it will INCREASE the piracy.

Because some players have no other way to play the game anymore. Because they will NOT install Origin client into they computers no matter what. That seem to be something what game company doesn't seem to get. This is because Origin client is ALSO spyware, not just companies game distribution software. Also some people have no need for gaming digital distrubution, because they prefer to buy hard copies from shops.

Also what ever DRM or distribution softwares companies use, it will NEVER stop the piracy. This should be known FACT to everyone allready. Piracy will increase when using games is very difficult and they cost too much money. If game is easy to use and low price, then less people have need to pirate. Most the time in games, the pirate product is better, because all this companies effort preventing piracy and controlling companies interests has made playing games in pain in ass for customers.

Problem here is that companies can't FORCE people do something what they don't like. They will just lose those people as customers. There is limit, how much someone can push people in direction they don't like. When the threshold has arrived, they will find something else or start pushing back.

Company should start thinking to make Origin client as voluntary software and privacy also as choise. Then most of gamers will be happy. Leting customers make they own choises, what ever they like.

Modifié par Lumikki, 27 novembre 2011 - 08:50 .

[CenturyCrow]

MassStorm wrote...
To be honest i have read somewhere that Origin will be required(in the sense you have to install it) though you won't need to be online in order to play the single-player game. It was stated that you will just need to be online for the authentication the first time you install the game and then you are good to go, so it is slightly different from BF3 where a constant internet connection is required. Though in the end Origin will be in every copy at least for supporting the multiplayer section of the game. It is EA right to do so since the game is produced by them.

I don't think any one is arguing over EA's rights concerning their products (DRM for piracy, etc.) Nor is anyone arguing that EA can't compete with anyone with digital sales.

HOWEVER, if you have paid any attention to EA's EULA, TOS, privacy statement over the last 2 years, the purchaser's rights hardly exist anymore (except for Germany and a few other countries). Look how quickly EA altered BF3's EULA to wiggle out of the German complaints, but didn't alter Origin's behavior to match it. With the existing Origin EULA, TOS and privacy statement, EA still can collect private data. So it matters a great deal to some what happens with ME 3, ME 3's EULA, TOS and Origin.

However, it should be clear to people that EA is not concerned with our rights. EA is concerned with their rights. They are concerned with gaining market share, finding the next platform for the next CoD killer, etc.

For a long time, the gaming industry was shaped by the purchaser. That has changed dramatically with the technology and the increased numbers of gamers. The large corporations and lawyers have reshaped the industry to serve their interests. Just read the EULAs; once they have your money they are under no obligation to you; they can do no wrong, as per EA's TOS:

TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT YOUR SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE REMEDY FOR ANY DISPUTE WITH EA OR ITS LICENSORS ARISING OUT OF OR RELATING TO EA SERVICES AND/OR EA PRODUCTS IS TO STOP USING EA SERVICES, AND TO CANCEL YOUR ACCOUNT.  YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT EA, ITS LICENSORS, LICENSEES AND AFFILIATES ARE NOT LIABLE FOR ANY ACT OR FAILURE TO ACT BY THEM OR ANY OTHER PERSON REGARDING CONDUCT, COMMUNICATION OR CONTENT ON EA SERVICES OR USE OF EA SOFTWARE.  IN NO CASE SHALL EA'S OR ITS LICENSORS', LICENSEES', AFFILIATES', EMPLOYEES', OFFICERS', OR DIRECTORS' (COLLECTIVELY, "EA AFFILIATES") LIABILITY TO YOU EXCEED THE AMOUNT THAT YOU PAID TO EA FOR EA SERVICES.  IN NO CASE SHALL EA OR EA AFFILIATES BE LIABLE FOR INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES ARISING FROM YOUR USE OF EA SERVICES, EA SOFTWARE, THE INTERNET OR FOR ANY OTHER CLAIM RELATED IN ANY WAY TO YOUR USE OF EA SERVICES OR ACCOUNTS.  WHILE EA USES COMMERCIALLY REASONABLE MEANS TO PROTECT YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION, EA ASSUMES NO LIABILITY FOR LOSS OF DATA, DAMAGE CAUSED TO YOUR SOFTWARE OR HARDWARE, AND ANY OTHER LOSS OR DAMAGE SUFFERED BY YOU OR ANY THIRD PARTY, WHETHER DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, OR CONSEQUENTIAL AND  HOWEVER ARISING, AS A RESULT OF ACCESSING OR USING ANY EA SERVICE, CONTENT, EA SOFTWARE TO YOUR COMPUTER AND/OR DEVICE.

If things go well. That is, if I can somehow avoid Orign or at the least legally circumvent it, ME3 will be my last EA game, as I would like to finish the series. As others have stated, there are other games and other things to do besides wrangling with EA. Maybe someone will eventually bring back the RPGs of the past and make them new again.

Modifié par CenturyCrow, 27 novembre 2011 - 08:45 .