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[ironman001]

So it new week and still now info on Origin in Mass Effect 3 why because EA don't care about fans they only care about money that why i canceled my pre-order and giving Multi in ME 3 is only excuse to make people agree to Origin.
PS. I don't say Bioware because there is no Bioware anymore when EA buy them that was the finish of them. Last great RPG of Bioware was DA and last great game was ME2 it was nice to play you games Bioware rest in peace.

[BounceDK]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Origin sucks ass, the second I find out ME3 doesn't force-**** Origin on you is the second I uninstall it from my system.

Steam sucks even more. Bloatware'R'Us.

[MDT1]

I'm also very interested how BW will handle Origin with ME3 and I'm talking about installing the spyware and not having an account.

But fortunately there is still plenty of time to cancel any pre-orders before release.

[CAPSLOCK FURY]

It never ends.

[MDT1]

Why should it end before companies stop trying to force unproportional EULA's and TOS on legal customers.

Edit:
I'd love to play ME3 but installing and run Origin as it is, is nothing I would consider doing for free.
My personal data is worth more to me than the possible enjoyment from playing ME3.

Edit2:
And yes, I've already done it and skipped DRM heavy games though I was really looking forward to them.

Modifié par MDT1, 17 octobre 2011 - 03:44 .

[Jarys]

Ah, wonderful, more qqing about something that most people claim is bad on someone elses hearsay.

If you truly enjoy the game then you will buy it, regardless of origin - it is very, very similar to steam and the windows game installation platform.

I wonder how many people have actually read the lisence agreement themselves, or simply go with 'he read it and told me it was bad!!' and join the sheeples.

[Bogsnot1]

@Jarys: if you read my posts, you will see tat i have, and also attempted to deconstruct them somewhat

[MDT1]

And as I said earlier it depends on how Origin is implemented.
- If I have to register it once online, no problem.
- If it requires constant online connection and Origin running, I'm probably already out.

To be even more clear, I bought Civ V so yes I have steam. I could Install it once activate it and never connect steam again to the internet just for playing an imho offline-only game.

Also as German I have perhaps I slightly different legal constellation. As here the buying process is essentially done with paying for the product, you can basically ignore EULA's that are more restrictive than the law, as nobody would willingly give up rights of a product he already owns without compensation and when you see the EULA first time you already own it. So you can in theory buy it and remove the DRM. With offline games this works quite well.

Modifié par MDT1, 17 octobre 2011 - 04:06 .

[CAPSLOCK FURY]

MDT1 wrote...

And as I said earlier it depends on how Origin is implemented.
- If I have to register it once online, no problem.
- If it requires constant online connection and Origin running, I'm probably already out.

To be even more clear, I bought Civ V so yes I have steam. I could Install it once activate it and never connect steam again to the internet just for playing an imho offline-only game.

Also as German I have perhaps I slightly different legal constellation. As here the buying process is essentially done with paying for the product, you can basically ignore EULA's that are more restrictive than the law, as nobody would willingly give up rights of a product he already owns without compensation and when you see the EULA first time you already own it. So you can in theory buy it and remove the DRM. With offline games this works quite well.

You don't even have to start Origin up, unlike Steam, to play a game that is on your Origin account. Unless ME3 forces Origin on regardless of if you're playing co-op or not, it should always be offline.

Modifié par CAPSLOCK FURY, 17 octobre 2011 - 04:16 .

[MDT1]

Thats why I want a clarification how it will be implemented, I don't see how this is unresonable. There are single player games out there that require constant internet connection and ccop mode COULD be an excuse to force this in ME3 too.

I don't say worst will happen as I still have me pre-order up.

Modifié par MDT1, 17 octobre 2011 - 04:24 .

[CAPSLOCK FURY]

But I suppose it's too much trouble to just ask, you have to start in on the "Origin is nothing but spyware" bit just like the rest of the herd. People seriously need to start thinking for themselves and stop believing everything they see on Escapist Magazine.

Modifié par CAPSLOCK FURY, 17 octobre 2011 - 04:24 .

[TwistedComplex]

ironman001 wrote...

I never agree to Origins agreement because i love me rights And they say China is bad ye welcome in America

Oh god... My brain....

[CAPSLOCK FURY]

TwistedComplex wrote...

ironman001 wrote...

I never agree to Origins agreement because i love me rights And they say China is bad ye welcome in America

Oh god... My brain....

Don't look directly at it. We sent three people to the hospital already.

[MDT1]

CAPSLOCK FURY wrote...

But I suppose it's too much trouble to just ask, you have to start in on the "Origin is nothing but spyware" bit just like the rest of the herd. People seriously need to start thinking for themselves and stop believing everything they see on Escapist Magazine.

But it is just spyware (like steam).

Games had online modes and auto patch systems for a decade without having to constantly scan your whole system and your user behaviour.

The value Origin has for Ea except for beeing an online store is collecting data youd normally have to buy for.

Modifié par MDT1, 17 octobre 2011 - 04:32 .

[CAPSLOCK FURY]

Yeah? Well that's, ya know, just...uh, like your opinion man.

Am glad to see FOR ONCE someone that actually lumps the other programs that do the same thing in there though.

Modifié par CAPSLOCK FURY, 17 octobre 2011 - 04:36 .

[GarrusV4karian]

Well I'm on console so Origin doesn't really matter much to me...

[Nathander Von Eric]

Jarys wrote...

Ah, wonderful, more qqing about something that most people claim is bad on someone elses hearsay.

If you truly enjoy the game then you will buy it, regardless of origin - it is very, very similar to steam and the windows game installation platform.

I wonder how many people have actually read the lisence agreement themselves, or simply go with 'he read it and told me it was bad!!' and join the sheeples.

The irony here is just too, too much.

[MDT1]

CAPSLOCK FURY wrote...

Yeah? Well that's, ya know, just...uh, like your opinion man.

Well yes, it's my opinion, I wouldn't state it otherwise.

If you think I am wrong you could at least try to give me a reason why.

And no "someone else does the same" is no reason.

I'm not allowed to rob a bank just because it was robbed by someone else before.

And please don't start with fairy tales how DRM, especially this kind of DRM has something to do with piracy any more as Origin will only ever run on a legal customers PC or why it should be able to scan files that are not used by your machine at the moment to prevent cheating.

Modifié par MDT1, 17 octobre 2011 - 05:10 .

[CAPSLOCK FURY]

MDT1 wrote...

CAPSLOCK FURY wrote...

Yeah? Well that's, ya know, just...uh, like your opinion man.

Well yes, it's my opinion, I wouldn't state it otherwise.

If you think I am wrong you could at least try to give me a reason why.

And no "someone else does the same" is no reason.

I'm not allowed to rob a bank just because it was robbed by someone else before.

And please don't start with fairy tales how DRM, especially this kind of DRM has something to do with piracy any more as Origin will only ever run on a legal customers PC or why it should be able to scan files that are not used by your machine at the moment to prevent cheating.

Clearly you've never seen The Big Lebowski.

I also have no idea what the rest of your tirade was about.

Modifié par CAPSLOCK FURY, 17 octobre 2011 - 05:15 .

[Zargon VII]

Saying Origin is no worse than Steam is not only misleading, it is untrue. For fun a couple of months ago, Steam asked me if it could do a hardware survey. I thought sure, I'll show off my elite parts to Steam so maybe game makers would stop making games for DX9 only. I presumed it was basically going to do a dxdiag and just report parts back. Steam showed me the results of the hardware survey and I was horrified to see that Steam had scanned my entire hard drive and all the software I had installed. It then asked me if it was OK to send the survey results in and I said no. As I understand it ( and I have read the EULA), Origin is going to do this and NOT ask me if it's OK. That is a huge difference and why people are mad at Origin. Steam has issues too but at least it asks me if it's OK to steal my data.

[CAPSLOCK FURY]

Zargon VII wrote...

Saying Origin is no worse than Steam is not only misleading, it is untrue. For fun a couple of months ago, Steam asked me if it could do a hardware survey. I thought sure, I'll show off my elite parts to Steam so maybe game makers would stop making games for DX9 only. I presumed it was basically going to do a dxdiag and just report parts back. Steam showed me the results of the hardware survey and I was horrified to see that Steam had scanned my entire hard drive and all the software I had installed. It then asked me if it was OK to send the survey results in and I said no. As I understand it ( and I have read the EULA), Origin is going to do this and NOT ask me if it's OK. That is a huge difference and why people are mad at Origin. Steam has issues too but at least it asks me if it's OK to steal my data.

Steam uses an an almost identical clause with one difference. Where Origin tells you what they can scan, they don't tell you why. Steam tells you why, but not what they're scanning. With or without you saying Ok to a survey. That survey has been used far too often as a defense of Steam vs. Origin, when it was a completely seperate thing from saying you agree to the Valve policies.

[shepskisaac]

CAPSLOCK FURY wrote...

Zargon VII wrote...

Saying Origin is no worse than Steam is not only misleading, it is untrue. For fun a couple of months ago, Steam asked me if it could do a hardware survey. I thought sure, I'll show off my elite parts to Steam so maybe game makers would stop making games for DX9 only. I presumed it was basically going to do a dxdiag and just report parts back. Steam showed me the results of the hardware survey and I was horrified to see that Steam had scanned my entire hard drive and all the software I had installed. It then asked me if it was OK to send the survey results in and I said no. As I understand it ( and I have read the EULA), Origin is going to do this and NOT ask me if it's OK. That is a huge difference and why people are mad at Origin. Steam has issues too but at least it asks me if it's OK to steal my data.

Steam uses an an almost identical clause with one difference. Where Origin tells you what they can scan, they don't tell you why. Steam tells you why, but not what they're scanning. With or without you saying Ok to a survey. That survey has been used far too often as a defense of Steam vs. Origin, when it was a completely seperate thing from saying you agree to the Valve policies.

But it's the fact you CAN'T say no to Origin scans that is the problem here. Steam freaking asks you if it can scan and then asks again if it can send the data. Scans ARE NOT required to play the games. With Origin, they are. You can't decline to scans, if you do, you declline to the entire EULA and thus cannot install Origin and thus cannot install ME3, or Battlefield 3, or anything else.

[Reptillius]

MDT1 wrote...

CAPSLOCK FURY wrote...

But I suppose it's too much trouble to just ask, you have to start in on the "Origin is nothing but spyware" bit just like the rest of the herd. People seriously need to start thinking for themselves and stop believing everything they see on Escapist Magazine.

But it is just spyware (like steam).

Games had online modes and auto patch systems for a decade without having to constantly scan your whole system and your user behaviour.

The value Origin has for Ea except for beeing an online store is collecting data youd normally have to buy for.

Ok. I agree. Calling Steam what it is gets my approval. 

But also keep in mind.  While some EULA's give you a list of what they collect and why.  Really look at the stuff they say they collect.  It's not that limiting. They collect things for marketing and game improvement. Some of them by the non-descript legal wording they use like "non-identifying system details" are not necessarily legally limiting themselves to a bit of your technical data and that's it. Even if that's all they are collecting.

[CAPSLOCK FURY]

IsaacShep wrote...
But it's the fact you CAN'T say no to Origin scans that is the problem here. Steam freaking asks you if it can scan and then asks again if it can send the data. Scans ARE NOT required to play the games. With Origin, they are. You can't decline to scans, if you do, you declline to the entire EULA and thus cannot install Origin and thus cannot install ME3, or Battlefield 3, or anything else.

I suggest you reread all the Valve policies that state they can scan your system. They choose to let you say yes or no because they want to, but it is clearly stated that you gave them permission to anyway. But, it is clear that no amount of reading will make it sink in that they use nearly indentical clauses. I'm tired of beating my head against a wall.

Modifié par CAPSLOCK FURY, 17 octobre 2011 - 06:00 .

[Robhuzz]

IsaacShep wrote...

CAPSLOCK FURY wrote...

Zargon VII wrote...

Saying Origin is no worse than Steam is not only misleading, it is untrue. For fun a couple of months ago, Steam asked me if it could do a hardware survey. I thought sure, I'll show off my elite parts to Steam so maybe game makers would stop making games for DX9 only. I presumed it was basically going to do a dxdiag and just report parts back. Steam showed me the results of the hardware survey and I was horrified to see that Steam had scanned my entire hard drive and all the software I had installed. It then asked me if it was OK to send the survey results in and I said no. As I understand it ( and I have read the EULA), Origin is going to do this and NOT ask me if it's OK. That is a huge difference and why people are mad at Origin. Steam has issues too but at least it asks me if it's OK to steal my data.

Steam uses an an almost identical clause with one difference. Where Origin tells you what they can scan, they don't tell you why. Steam tells you why, but not what they're scanning. With or without you saying Ok to a survey. That survey has been used far too often as a defense of Steam vs. Origin, when it was a completely seperate thing from saying you agree to the Valve policies.

But it's the fact you CAN'T say no to Origin scans that is the problem here. Steam freaking asks you if it can scan and then asks again if it can send the data. Scans ARE NOT required to play the games. With Origin, they are. You can't decline to scans, if you do, you declline to the entire EULA and thus cannot install Origin and thus cannot install ME3, or Battlefield 3, or anything else.

And that also sums up my problem. I don't use Steam. I don't use Origin. I buy retail copies of games specifically so I don't need another crappy program to install the software I just bought. Since I put this little thing called a DVD into my drive, which contains all the data I need to play the game, I shouldn't have to put up with this crap called Origin to begin with. It's not only everything Origin does (Steam too but it's less evil than Origin) but it's the fact it gets forced on me even though I NEVER use it that rubs me the wrong way. And really in my opinion it's just EA abusing it's power here. Imagine a clothing store treating their customers the same way. I know what will happen. They'll never sell a single piece of clothing again.