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[lucidfox]

InvincibleHero wrote...

You buy a toaster or anything you have to accept the manufacturer's terms or not buy it. Same deal here.

Wrong analogy.

A toaster doesn't come with surveillance cameras uploading naked videos of you to the manufacturer. And if it does, you can refer to a consumer rights organization. You also won't get persecuted for selling or disassembling a toaster, or modifying it on your own without the manufacturer's approval.

DRM lobbyists think their precious "intellectual property" gives them the right to monitor our computers - our actual, physical property - and dictate what we can and cannot do with it. Hands off.

[InvincibleHero]

CenturyCrow wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...
Seriously you have no inherent right to buy or play ME3 or any game EA makes.

I don't understand that statement at all or has EA stopped publishing games or are they giving them away?

InvincibleHero wrote...
You have to accept their terms so get that little thought in your head. That's reality. You buy a toaster or anything you have to accept the manufacturer's terms or not buy it. Same deal here.

I'm asking for clarification on how Origin will apply to a retail version of the Collector's Edition (or even the normal edition). The Collector's Edition is a limited pre-order. Be nice to know the terms BEFORE, not after I'm stuck with terms I don't agree.

A toaster is a poor analogy for software. If I don't like the toaster, I can take it back after I open the package or if it doesn't work as expected. I could even sue them if there was a major problem.

The 'current' EULA, TOS and Privacy Policy is known for Origin. Will Origin be required is the main question and it's not known yet.  Suggest you read some of the previous posts on this to get a more complete understanding of the thread. We understand it's EA's way or don't buy - we're waiting for clarification of several things. Plus it would be good to know the EULA, the TOS, the Privacy Policy and what DRM will apply to the retail version of the game.

So. Even in the unlikely event that EA is giving away ME 3 in March, we'd still like to know a lot more about it.

You are Disecting a post meant for Lumikki who wanted Origin to be VOLUNTARY.

It's not hard to understand a producer makes a product, but you can only buy it if you meet their terms. This includes price and accepting any warranties and terms of service they want. If they say you have to have a subscription to Direct TV them you have to. It is simple. Every transaction is like that between buyer and seller.
 
Not necessarily. Return policy is based on the store or the manufacturer. They can refuse to accept any return and you are stuck as long as they detail that in the manual. All stores post their return policy somewhere and even on recepits these days. Returning an opened product can give you so much grief depending where you bought it. Yeah about suing you probably can't sue even if a toaster burns down your house faulty or not. They usually have those things detailed in the manual. So if you don't accept that then you have to try and get a refund by the method they outline.

I agree it would be great knowing beforehand. That's why I wait awhile when buying software so nasty things like overly restrictive DRM or a steam requirement or bugs that are game breaking are known before I risk my money.

[InvincibleHero]

lucidfox wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

You buy a toaster or anything you have to accept the manufacturer's terms or not buy it. Same deal here.

Wrong analogy.

A toaster doesn't come with surveillance cameras uploading naked videos of you to the manufacturer. And if it does, you can refer to a consumer rights organization. You also won't get persecuted for selling or disassembling a toaster, or modifying it on your own without the manufacturer's approval.

DRM lobbyists think their precious "intellectual property" gives them the right to monitor our computers - our actual, physical property - and dictate what we can and cannot do with it. Hands off.

A product is a product and every product has terms of service that detail the rights of the seller vs. yours. That is the simple concept that seems beyond your and others' acceptance. It doesn't matter what product I picked.

Well for one you void your warranty entirely and any damages are your fault if you even take the toaster apart. Overclocking voids your CPU warranty as well. We can go all day about the product you own is yours to dispose of entirely as you wish. The seller has rights and protections too you know. People forget that and it is always about ME, ME, ME today. People are so selfish and slef-centered today that they think they are the center of the universe.


How are they dictating what you can or cannot do with your computer? Are they preventing you from browsing or palying solitaire somehow?  

If they search for other pirated EA games/media/properties/ illegal hacks/mods I'd say that's quite fair.

[Lord Zeel]

InvincibleHero wrote...

lucidfox wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

You buy a toaster or anything you have to accept the manufacturer's terms or not buy it. Same deal here.

Wrong analogy.

A toaster doesn't come with surveillance cameras uploading naked videos of you to the manufacturer. And if it does, you can refer to a consumer rights organization. You also won't get persecuted for selling or disassembling a toaster, or modifying it on your own without the manufacturer's approval.

DRM lobbyists think their precious "intellectual property" gives them the right to monitor our computers - our actual, physical property - and dictate what we can and cannot do with it. Hands off.

A product is a product and every product has terms of service that detail the rights of the seller vs. yours. That is the simple concept that seems beyond your and others' acceptance. It doesn't matter what product I picked.

Well for one you void your warranty entirely and any damages are your fault if you even take the toaster apart. Overclocking voids your CPU warranty as well. We can go all day about the product you own is yours to dispose of entirely as you wish. The seller has rights and protections too you know. People forget that and it is always about ME, ME, ME today. People are so selfish and slef-centered today that they think they are the center of the universe.


How are they dictating what you can or cannot do with your computer? Are they preventing you from browsing or palying solitaire somehow?  

If they search for other pirated EA games/media/properties/ illegal hacks/mods I'd say that's quite fair.

You are sheep. You're letting the company dictate how you use the product YOU. PAID. FOR. You bend over and let them reem you in the a-hole.

I'm sorry, simply owning the rights to something doesn't give them the right to spy on me. I hate when google does it. I hate when my hotmail does it and I hate when youtube does it. I will not let a game do it as well. Lines need to be drawn somewhere!

[Lumikki]

InvincibleHero wrote...

Are you requesting the same of Valve? I have no problem with EA requiring Origin.

Not really, I ask that people who don't have need for Origin client to anything, doens't have to instal it to they computer at all. Origin client is digital distribution software. How ever, if you buy game as hard copy from store, why to hell would I need digital distribution software. SO, what I asked, is make it volutary, let people use and install the Origin client if they want, but do not force the software to everyone. Because not everyone has any use for it. Let the customers make they own choice, do they want to install and use the software.

My problem is if it goes too far then I will not buy their games that require it. I do not have steam nor will purchase/use any games like Fallout NV that need it despite being offline games. Seriously you have no inherent right to buy or play ME3 or any game EA makes.

I have no Steam of Origin client games, NEVER will as long the software distribution software need to be installed.

You have to accept their terms so get that little thought in your head. That's reality. You buy a toaster or anything you have to accept the manufacturer's terms or not buy it. Same deal here.

NO, it's not same deal.

Problem isn't that you have to accept products terms. Problem is that terms should only be related to the PRODUCT it self.  So, toaster manufactorer can not put into they terms that they also get access everyting in my kitchen. So, the issue isn't terms of the product, but Origin client terms goes OUTSIDE of the product it self. Origin client isn't just terms of the game, but it terms is asks access to everyting into my computer. It's agaist laws in many countries, as not reasonable terms of contract.

Modifié par Lumikki, 29 novembre 2011 - 07:42 .

[InvincibleHero]

Lord Zeel wrote...

You are sheep. You're letting the company dictate how you use the product YOU. PAID. FOR. You bend over and let them reem you in the a-hole.

I'm sorry, simply owning the rights to something doesn't give them the right to spy on me. I hate when google does it. I hate when my hotmail does it and I hate when youtube does it. I will not let a game do it as well. Lines need to be drawn somewhere!

I don't accept terms I do not agree with so your descriptor doesn't fit.

Guess what your only way to avoid that is to avoid using google, hotmail, or any other product or service you disagree with the terms of service. It is not being a sheep, but recognizing the reality of the buyer/seller dichotomy. If Origin proves to warrant my not buying or using EA products then so be it they lost me as a consumer. If they restrict it to what I consider fair use then I will accept using Origin and buying the games that I have interest in playing.

[InvincibleHero]

Lumikki wrote...

Not really, I ask that people who don't have need for Origin client to anything, doens't have to instal it to they computer at all. Origin client is digital distribution software. How ever, if you buy game as hard copy from store, why to hell would I need digital distribution software. SO, what I asked, is make it volutary, let people use and install the Origin client if they want, but do not force the software to everyone. Because not everyone has any use for it.

I have no Steam of Origin client games, NEVER will as long the software distribution software need to be installed.

NO it's not same deal. Problem isn't that you have to accept products terms. Problem is that terms should only be related to the PRODUCT it self.  So, toaster manufactorer can not put into they terms that they also get access everyting in my kitchen. So, the issue isn't terms of the product, but Origin client terms goes OUTSIDE of the product it self. Origin client isn't just term of the game, but it terms asks access to to everyting into my computer.

The point is steam is not voluntary either. It really is all or nothing as EA is not going to allow their future DRM be optional. Steam is DRM make no mistake about it. You need origin to get the patches for the game which will be required for any multiplayer game. You could of course decide not to patch a single player game, but almost every dev/publisher these days requires an autopatch method.

I don't believe they scan everything on the computer which is unfeasible. They are looking for specific things and of course system specs are part and parcel to installing any game. If they look for pirated EA products I don't disagree with that. So scanning installed programs is quite fair. So they know I have flash and use avast or have The Witcher installed. Fat lot of good that will do them because those companies are already sending me adverts and such for their products. It is worthless to them except in determining hey they didn't pay for this EA product or register its code and it might be pirated. I bet people are over-reacting as usual.

They are not after banking information or credit card numbers or sensitive private data like your e-mails or pictures because that would make them liable for damages in the billions and wipe them out.

[Lumikki]

InvincibleHero wrote...

The point is steam is not voluntary either.

True, that's why I don't use it at all. How ever, Steam client isn't breaking laws, like Origin client does.

It really is all or nothing as EA is not going to allow their future DRM be optional. Steam is DRM make no mistake about it. You need origin to get the patches for the game which will be required for any multiplayer game. You could of course decide not to patch a single player game, but almost every dev/publisher these days requires an autopatch method.

But what I do, should be my choice, not as company deside behave of me what I should do. If I don't want to patch, it's also my choice. That's what this is all about, freedom of choice. I should have rights to make my own choices. Game company can protect they products by DRM, but they can't break laws when doing so.

I don't believe they scan everything on the computer which is unfeasible. They are looking for specific things and of course system specs are part and parcel to installing any game.

Origin client isn't just looking things related games, they look way beyond that, including your personal private folders. What reason would game company have to look my personal forders?

If they look for pirated EA products I don't disagree with that. So scanning installed programs is quite fair.

What company wants or is interested to know, has nothing to do what they can do by laws. Because they go inside the private property of they customers. Even if I understand companies needs to check they own products, they still can't do it without my permission in my personal private computer. Most of us would allow this to happen for courtesy to checking they own product, but that does mean they have rights to go outside of they own product. Origin client does it.

GAME software has rights to check hardware and software so that game can function. How ever, it has no rights to transmit that information outside of my computer without my permission. It's ILLEGAL by LAWS to connect softwares required function to intrusion of privacy. What company wants, has nothing to do what rights they have by laws. They actually can't do ANYTING without my permission and softwares EULA is related only to that product, not something outside of the product.

Basically we are defending our human rights here, what are guaranteed by laws. Catching people doing piracy is not controlled by companies, but government laws. Meaning like police and so on.. Company can't extend they rights by them self beyond what is written in laws of countries, even how much they would want to.

Problem here is. We all have sympathy for companies fighting against piracy. Because piracy is against laws. How ever, now companies it self use piracy as excuse to BREAK LAWS them self. That's not acceptable. You just can't go and check if someone is maybe breaking laws. You need to have actual probable cause to invade some ones privacy, even then it's done official persons in government with court written warrant. That's why we have laws, so that innocent people can live they lives without been harassment or accused by other people or companies.

Modifié par Lumikki, 29 novembre 2011 - 09:06 .

[anzolino]

InvincibleHero wrote...
The seller has rights and protections too you know. People forget that and it is always about ME, ME, ME today. People are so selfish and slef-centered today that they think they are the center of the universe.

You are missing some points here. The seller has no right to know me. I'm a private person and the seller has exact the right to know me as I'm let him. Nor more and no less. This is according to the law.

Selfish people? What do you mean is getting personally data for marketing purposes? Why do you think there are 3rd party clauses in EULA's? Some "heal the world" attitude? No it isn't. It is quite contrary to "we simply want to make and sell a product". The purpose behind is making money for profit. The purpose behind is selling data to make even more money. This is a huge market these days and also a reason for the data protection laws.

And because of the more and more aggressive tactics of the seller/manufacturer exists the "Unfair Commercial Practices Directive" for protecting the customers. This has nothing to do with selfish people.
The seller have to accept that customers have the right to say: "No, we don't want your product in this way. If you want our money then make the product to our terms too (i.e. voluntary Origin) and not only to your terms." It's a double-egded sword. Both sides have their rights and both sides have to accept another. Otherwise the seller wouldn't sell and the customer wouldn't buy.

Well for one you void your warranty entirely and any damages are your fault if you even take the toaster apart. Overclocking voids your CPU warranty as well.

The software will not be damaged if the CPU is overclocked. Nobody is talking about selling damaged second hand products. You can sell a book if you are finished reading. You can sell your bike if you don't want to use it any more. You can sell your car, your fridge, your toaster. But, you cannot sell your game. So, why not? Why the fridge manufacturer has no terms to forbid that? Why the car manufacturer has no terms to forbid that? The bike manufacturer has no terms like this. The book publisher has no terms like this. But the game publisher has it. Think about it.

@edit: typo

Modifié par anzolino, 29 novembre 2011 - 08:14 .

[Zannana]

If they search for other pirated EA games/media/properties/ illegal hacks/mods I'd say that's quite fair.

No it is not. Even the police needs a warrant or express permission to  search your house. EA thinks of itself as something greater?

Modifié par Zannana, 29 novembre 2011 - 08:13 .

[ZLurps]

InvincibleHero wrote...

People forget that and it is always about ME, ME, ME today. People are so selfish and slef-centered today that they think they are the center of the universe.

What makes you think corporations are any better? News for you, they aren't. Laws that protect concumers exists for a reason and at the moment it looks like consumer protection side of the law is dragging behind laws that protect corporations.

[Embrosil]

InvincibleHero wrote...

lucidfox wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

You buy a toaster or anything you have to accept the manufacturer's terms or not buy it. Same deal here.

Wrong analogy.

A toaster doesn't come with surveillance cameras uploading naked videos of you to the manufacturer. And if it does, you can refer to a consumer rights organization. You also won't get persecuted for selling or disassembling a toaster, or modifying it on your own without the manufacturer's approval.

DRM lobbyists think their precious "intellectual property" gives them the right to monitor our computers - our actual, physical property - and dictate what we can and cannot do with it. Hands off.

Overclocking voids your CPU warranty as well.

If they search for other pirated EA games/media/properties/ illegal hacks/mods I'd say that's quite fair.

Yes, that is why most of motherboards and graphics cards comes with a software for overclocking, right? In other words, no, overclocking does not voids your varranty.

Really? So come corporation will now substitude police? To people like you I would recommend a visit to country like North Korea. You would be extremely happy there.

[ZLurps]

Embrosil wrote...

Yes, that is why most of motherboards and graphics cards comes with a software for overclocking, right? In other words, no, overclocking does not voids your varranty.

There are different kind of regulations for this kind of things in different regions. Where I live overclocking voids the warranty and for me it makes sense, because oftherwise people could buy unlimited number of CPU's and always return a one that broke in overclocking till one that reaches desired clock speed is found.

Embrosil wrote...

Really? So come corporation will now substitude police? To people like you I would recommend a visit to country like North Korea. You would be extremely happy there.

Yeah, corporation have their interest and consumers theirs. Without any sort of regulation the world would be a grim place to live for the most of us.

[Zannana]

Embrosil wrote...

Really? So come corporation will now substitude police? To people like you I would recommend a visit to country like North Korea. You would be extremely happy there.

Yeah, corporation have their interest and consumers theirs. Without any sort of regulation the world would be a grim place to live for the most of us.

The keyword being regulation, that is why there are laws. Corporations are not above them, witch is why the germany issue happened.Ea is not the police and shouldnt have the freedom to trample on our rights of privacy.

Modifié par Zannana, 29 novembre 2011 - 10:16 .

[CenturyCrow]

InvincibleHero wrote...
The seller has rights and protections too you know. People forget that and it is always about ME, ME, ME today. People are so selfish and slef-centered today that they think they are the center of the universe.

Many of the people here have read the EULA, the TOS, the Privacy Policy and each time EA changes it, it seems to benefit EA. So you're correct. It's about ME and my rights and every time I read a change in the EULA, the TOS and the Privacy Policy, I see my rights eroding quickly and virtually no rights once I have purchased the game.

Selfish? Yes, I'd like to keep informed on my rights and be more certain about my purchase. Pardon me if that disturbs you, but feel free to install Origin; it is after all, free and you don't even need to purchase a game to install it. Generous of EA, since they usually charge a lot for the games they publish.

We are not self-centered--we are centered around the topic; waiting for answers to questions about Origin and ME 3. So if you have any questions about Origin, this is the place to ask them, although you don't seem to have any. If I knew of a place where the questions were being answered, I wouldn't be selfish about it. I'd gladly share it with you.

Modifié par CenturyCrow, 29 novembre 2011 - 10:19 .

[Lumikki]

Embrosil wrote...

Yes, that is why most of motherboards and graphics cards comes with a software for overclocking, right? In other words, no, overclocking does not voids your varranty.

Actually overclocking can avoid you warranty.

Issue isn't can you action break the warranty? What it can do, but has the company rights to check do you break of the warranty, inside you privacy. They don't have that right. They can check it only after you have bring the issue outside of you private zone. Do you understand the different?

Going inside the privacy is very stricticted by laws.

Problem here with Origin client is that companies thinks they have rights to check they rights inside someone private property. THEY DO NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT. Any company doing it, would BREAK LAWS.

Modifié par Lumikki, 29 novembre 2011 - 10:26 .

[hangmans tree]

I tire of this satire.

People willingly accepting their privacy being invaded.

You are ****ing sheep.
That is the problem with you conformists these days, there is a lot of you and just by that, your inaction we have to deal with bull crap like this. There is a ****load of "wrongs" and all that is justified by "no one minds", "no one gives a ****". So corporations and governments and other groups of interest can do what they like. Because of the callousness, lack of critical thinking and most of all, thinking for thyself.

So we have to deal with the contents of our profiles being locked - cause: badmouthing on a forum. Does that give them the right to cut you off from your games? Because you were banned from the forums?
If they catch you pirating a game, do they have the right to cut you off from all the other games bought legally?
Let me answer that. NO. They have no right. I may be fined for pirating the game in question, but not denied the services I paid for.

That is the problem. That is the factor that pushes people in the pirate's harbour direction.

But it cant be explained to some. And others dont give a damn... Lets keep the All American Approach: Bomb The **** Out Of Them!

[Mister Mida]

hangmans tree wrote...

I tire of this satire.

People willingly accepting their privacy being invaded.

You are ****ing sheep.
That is the problem with you conformists these days, there is a lot of you and just by that, your inaction we have to deal with bull crap like this. There is a ****load of "wrongs" and all that is justified by "no one minds", "no one gives a ****". So corporations and governments and other groups of interest can do what they like. Because of the callousness, lack of critical thinking and most of all, thinking for thyself.

So we have to deal with the contents of our profiles being locked - cause: badmouthing on a forum. Does that give them the right to cut you off from your games? Because you were banned from the forums?
If they catch you pirating a game, do they have the right to cut you off from all the other games bought legally?
Let me answer that. NO. They have no right. I may be fined for pirating the game in question, but not denied the services I paid for.

That is the problem. That is the factor that pushes people in the pirate's harbour direction.

But it cant be explained to some. And others dont give a damn... Lets keep the All American Approach: Bomb The **** Out Of Them!

You sound like those goth kids in SP. Not that I disagree with you.

[ZLurps]

hangmans tree wrote...

People willingly accepting their privacy being invaded.

* snip*

So we have to deal with the contents of our profiles being locked - cause: badmouthing on a forum. Does that give them the right to cut you off from your games? Because you were banned from the forums?
If they catch you pirating a game, do they have the right to cut you off from all the other games bought legally?
Let me answer that. NO. They have no right. I may be fined for pirating the game in question, but not denied the services I paid for.

That is the problem. That is the factor that pushes people in the pirate's harbour direction.

* snip *

Well, control... if you think of it from corporate point of view, wouldn't it be just beautiful if you had really effecient instrument for crowd control in media where most of the people who are interested about your product are gathering? You hardly ever needed to even use it, because people really would be thinking what they say if they need to be afraid about losing their entire game collection as consequence of crossing the border, that is left vague enough, on purpose and can change anytime corporation feels like they need to change it.

May suck for consumers, but if you think of from the side of corporations point of view, it's just beautiful, isn't it?


What comes to consumer sheepines, I don't know if it is that simple. AAA titles on consoles and on PC are what is hip now and people buy them because everyone else have this or that and nobody wants to feel left out.
Then, trends comes and goes. That gaming appears to be very popular now, doesn't mean it will continue to be so. It's not perhaps a matter of just privacy but combination of declining purchasing power and that consoles are becoming more and more like PC.
Think of it, the whole idea of gaming console was that people could plug it, insert disc and play.
Now on consoles there are registrations, firmware updates, game patches, constant internet connection, security breaches... all kind of things that people wanted to avoid when they purchased a console instead of gaming PC.

For the big public that kind of "nerd crap" is going to kill their interest at some point. Then punishing the most loyal customers with draconian DRM and control schemes is going to drive that customer base to look for other kind of products too.

Then, I'm kinda sheep too. I'm going to buy ME3 Collector's edition, just because I enjoy ME saga and I really ams that addicted... and I really admire the talent BioWare is showing. I appreciate the nods for community and so on, I think they get bit more money for CE sales. Then, I think it's going to be good bye. I don't appreciate being treated as a thief because someone else is. I don't pay other other people speed tickets either.

[Sethan_1]

There is a lot of talk about whether EA has the right to look at your personal information, or cut you off from being able to play games you paid for.

Essentially (as far as control over our gaming and personal information is concerned) they have whatever rights we choose to give them. By making Origin a requirement for ME3, EA is requiring anyone who wants to play it, to sign over to EA their rights to privacy and to the determination of whether they are allowed the use of the software they paid for.

That is the core issue.

I choose to not give up my privacy and my control over whether I am allowed to play my games.

If EA gets the idea that Origin is costing them more money in sales than they get in benefits, they will change things.

[lastpatriot]

If EA gets the idea that Origin is costing them more money in sales than they get in benefits, they will change things.

That is the key point on how to get this changed.  The question remains, how can we influence this result before ME:3 is released?

[SalsaDMA]

InvincibleHero wrote...

lucidfox wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

You buy a toaster or anything you have to accept the manufacturer's terms or not buy it. Same deal here.

Wrong analogy.

A toaster doesn't come with surveillance cameras uploading naked videos of you to the manufacturer. And if it does, you can refer to a consumer rights organization. You also won't get persecuted for selling or disassembling a toaster, or modifying it on your own without the manufacturer's approval.

DRM lobbyists think their precious "intellectual property" gives them the right to monitor our computers - our actual, physical property - and dictate what we can and cannot do with it. Hands off.

A product is a product and every product has terms of service that detail the rights of the seller vs. yours. That is the simple concept that seems beyond your and others' acceptance. It doesn't matter what product I picked.

Well for one you void your warranty entirely and any damages are your fault if you even take the toaster apart. Overclocking voids your CPU warranty as well. We can go all day about the product you own is yours to dispose of entirely as you wish. The seller has rights and protections too you know. People forget that and it is always about ME, ME, ME today. People are so selfish and slef-centered today that they think they are the center of the universe.


How are they dictating what you can or cannot do with your computer? Are they preventing you from browsing or palying solitaire somehow?  

If they search for other pirated EA games/media/properties/ illegal hacks/mods I'd say that's quite fair.

Wow... You're so far off your rockers with that statement.
Here's an anology: you buy a shirt. When you get home, people from the shirt company are standing by your door, telling you that by buying the shirt you agreed to let them rummage through your house, just in case you had any counterfeit clothes in your drawers.

By your statement, you would think this was 'quite fair'.
By my statement, it's complete and utter bollocks to let companies walk all over your civil rights like that.

In several countries, it's also illegal. Thankfully not everyone lives in the USC (United States of Corporations), and some countires still tyr and protect their citizens from profit hungry companies that have little disregard for human rights.

[goofyomnivore]

I don't understand why they don't just make an opt out option regarding "personal data collection" before you install the platform/specific game. Making it an absolute necessity is a poor business choice. The only people who are going to actively look for that tic-box are the ones who give a crap. Look at all the idiots that don't bother reading/unchecking the tic-box for bing and yahoo tool bars.

[Alex_SM]

lastpatriot wrote...

If EA gets the idea that Origin is costing them more money in sales than they get in benefits, they will change things.

That is the key point on how to get this changed.  The question remains, how can we influence this result before ME:3 is released?

Nothing, unless you find a way to hit EAs wallet. Only thing that would make EA change is the failure of games that require Origin. 

[Trekfanboy]

strive wrote...

I don't understand why they don't just make an opt out option regarding "personal data collection" before you install the platform/specific game. Making it an absolute necessity is a poor business choice. The only people who are going to actively look for that tic-box are the ones who give a crap. Look at all the idiots that don't bother reading/unchecking the tic-box for bing and yahoo tool bars.

An "opt out" option isn't a guaranteed solution either ... and I'm not just taking about "idiots who don't bother reading/unchecking the tic-box."

I work for a large company that manages MILLIONS of online registrations for various websites. The laws regarding opt out (at least here in the US) are TOTALLY in favor of companies that want to use (and abuse) customer data.

All you have to do is give people the ability to "opt out" ... even if it's almost impossible to do because of the roadblocks a company puts in place ... and then the company has legal protection and can force everyone to automatically "opt in" when they register a product or sign up for a service.

I suspect that a large company like EA would work in much the same way regarding Origin DRM and the Origin Store even if they give you an opt out. You're signed up to let EA do whatever they want.

Thank big businesses padding the pockets of politicians for the weak laws protecting you from companies misusing and abusing your data.