InvincibleHero wrote...
1. You buy a product in a store they have anti-theft device and cameras and people spying on you for theft of product. I tend to think a peek at my install list is less invasive than that.
You are on private property when you do so. As long as you have been informed you are under surveillance, they have the right to do so. To use your analogy, think of it like the shop's security staff follow you home, walk around taking notes of all of your possessions, and then can have you charged with theft if you cannot produce a receipt for anythnig they query.
2. Your IP and cell phone companies have a record of each and every call and every site and what you downloaded there. How do you think the MPAA and records companies bust people. They get a screename or IP address from a pirate site and bingo bango you're busted. If you are worried about privacy there are more violations.
Many courts have ruled that an IP address cannot be used to personally identify somenoe, especially as there have ben many cases were they have sued people whose computer history has showed they have never once attended any pirate sites. The MPAA have even sued a 78yo grandmother for downloading gangsta rap.
Most of the "pay us or go to court" notices are now being thrown out, along with the "John Doe" lawsuits, as they have been shown to violate peoples rights to a fair trial.
3. You're kidding yourselves that what programs you have installed is private. You can bet OS makes MS and Apple know what nad I bet Flash and most other programs reference the master install list too. If you've sent in an error report to any company (or even on help sites like guru) for tech support they have all your running processes and surprise all installed programs.
Its not just whats installed, its the private and personal data that is also being scanned, accessed and uploaded by Origin. OS manufacturers do not do this. THIS is the privacy violations that has people concerned.
I cannot speak for the CUlt of Jobs, but the only infromation MS receives about my system is the Windows version, service packs, and relevant hardware. They have no idea if I'm running the LOIC, or AutoCAD, or any other software.
4. "The proof" cited is weak. It was even said it didn't read anything and it was not said to transmit any of that information. As far as aprogram is concerned your data is a string of 1s and 0s without any being sent then you have nothing to complain about. It is likely looking for specifics like a virus scan and there is only a problem when it comes up positive match and I would assume that is for pirated EA IPs. I do not have to worry because I don't steal anything.
Read up on the
Sony Rootkit Debacle, and then say the same thing.
5. Your ultimate right is to not buy it and that's it. If you don't like the terms then don't enter the agreement. It's that simple.
Very true. We are letting the powers that be we dont want it. Smoe of us will still buy the game, but then download a cracked version of it to avoid it. Others wont buy the game, and will still download the cracked version. Most of us however, would prefer to support the devs.
6. Registering for websites to check caps for winning codes etc etc you give up far more personal information than EA is likely to get. You already gave them your name address and IP address and all that jazz when you signed up for online accounts.
I dont sign up for competitions. Many people dont. Even if I did, that website would not be scanning my PC for phone records, tax records, or any other form of financial information.
7. You don't even know what it is looking for yet say they will sell info to advertisers. What info and about what? Your bank sells info, your credit card, your phone company, any company you've bought from sells your name on a list to another, charities do it just donate to one and you'll get dozens of requests in a month's time. This includes such "personal data" as name age birthdate if they have it address workplace phone number. Your private info isn't private anyways.
Then why do they need to do such an in depth scan on what I have installed, what I browse on the net, what letters I write, and whom I contact, if not for marketting, either for their own sales departments, or to on-sell to others?
I'm extremely careful about it and control all my cookies yet one of those online sites have my age address and everything. it could have been me applying for jobs where this info was sold. If you gave it out online anywhere then it is gone. EA is not going to get anything they couldn't already. The rest is unlike to be of interest to them.
Then that was a failure on your part. Cookies only store personal information that you have directly entered into some website, or online form.
Either the website purchased your information from a third party, or accessed your cookies after you had entered that information in elsewhere, and before you had gotten around to clearing out your cookies.
Yet if you agree to it by accepting the terms then you cannot complain about it. I agree with not liking it but the choice becomes accept terms or don't get game. I doubt they are going to bend much on it because they don't have to. Rail all you want because you are wasting your time though maybe get some catharsis from venting.
The problems is the EULA doesnt cmoe out and say exactly what it will be doing. Gamers familiar with Steam, would simply assume its going to do teh same form of cheat checknig, instead, the EULA is left deliberately vague, and its up to curious individuals to determine exactly what its doing. Because of the very natuer of what it scans, and that nothign appears to be off limits, is the reason why we are rebelling against it.
We paid for the product. We supported the developers. We are legitimate customers, and yet we are being treated as criminals. The actual criminals do not have to suffer these indignities. The more we are forced to suffer for actually being honest, the less likely we are to be honest in the future.
EA, Ubisoft and Blizzard are currently doing a pretty good job of convincing me that pirating games is the way of the future. After all, I cant complain about being treated like a criminal, if I actually act like one, can I?
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